Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-07-02 Thread David Gilbert


He never said what kind of antenna he was using.   A lossy antenna is 
much worse on transmit than it is on receive.  You can easily tolerate 
20 dB or more loss on receive (for pretty much ANY rig) ... but not on 
transmit, especially in a contest like FD where there is tons of QRM on 
the other end.


The K4 is a very fine rig, but not because of anything he claimed.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 7/2/2023 11:03 AM, George Thornton wrote:

That was not my experience.

Right out the bat we were occupying a frequency and calling.  We were heard so 
well we found ourselves at the bottom of a pileup for the next two or more 
hours.

You might want to take a closer look at your various mic and transmitter 
settings.  These have to be adjusted correctly for maximum effect.



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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of David Fifield
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:29 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

I’ve been using my K4 at 100W (per the FD rules) this afternoon on several 
bands.
I am 1D OR.
I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.
To me, this means that the K4 Rx is bomb-proof, sensitive, selective, and just, 
well, awesome.
If the other stations had better receivers, they might be able to hear me 
calling them.
They are obviously bogged down with on-site overload/spurii/phase noise etc.
What a pity.
I gave up replying hopelessly to CQFD’s from other 100W stations and went and 
did some woodworking instead.
Much more satisfying. Oh well….

73, Dave AD6A
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-07-02 Thread George Thornton
That was not my experience.  

Right out the bat we were occupying a frequency and calling.  We were heard so 
well we found ourselves at the bottom of a pileup for the next two or more 
hours.

You might want to take a closer look at your various mic and transmitter 
settings.  These have to be adjusted correctly for maximum effect.



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of David Fifield
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:29 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

I’ve been using my K4 at 100W (per the FD rules) this afternoon on several 
bands.
I am 1D OR.
I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.
To me, this means that the K4 Rx is bomb-proof, sensitive, selective, and just, 
well, awesome.
If the other stations had better receivers, they might be able to hear me 
calling them. 
They are obviously bogged down with on-site overload/spurii/phase noise etc. 
What a pity. 
I gave up replying hopelessly to CQFD’s from other 100W stations and went and 
did some woodworking instead.
Much more satisfying. Oh well….

73, Dave AD6A
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-28 Thread Mike Cizek W0VTT
N6KR wrote:

 

Of course this is not the way to hold and run a frequency.

 

***No, you would have to run while doing that, and then your writing would not 
be legible.  Maybe use the Voice Notes app on your cell phone?  浪

 

---

73,

Mike Cizek WØVTT

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 June, 2023 17:03
To: Robert Strickland 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

 

CW is also the only way to go for pedestrian mobile FD, which I did for a 
couple of hours while hiking on Saturday. Even with a 4' whip and 5 watts I was 
working almost every station I called. I stopped long enough to log each QSO so 
my printing would be legible.

 

Of course this is not the way to hold and run a frequency.

 

Wayne

N6KR

 

 

> On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Robert Strickland via Elecraft < 
> <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> 

> Jim...

> 

> I gave up on all SSB contesting long ago. To my ears and preferences, it's 
> just a pile of gibberish with maybe one very strong/clear signal every 
> 10-20Kc. Not worth it. CW is the only way to contest IMHO. While I've never 
> operated QRP, I suspect that I'm headed in that direction, also.

> 

> ...robert KE2WY

> 

> On 6/25/2023 19:37, Jim Brown wrote:

>> On 6/25/2023 7:19 AM, Al Lorona wrote:

>>> I went to CW after this and found the operating to be a lot better.

>> I gave up on SSB on FD more than ten years ago. Instead, have been doing FD 
>> QRP with W6GJB and W6JTI. There are still guys who haven't been on the air 
>> in the year between, and some long pauses after a QSO, but that's the 
>> exception.

>> 73, Jim K9YC

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-28 Thread Wayne Burdick
CW is also the only way to go for pedestrian mobile FD, which I did for a 
couple of hours while hiking on Saturday. Even with a 4' whip and 5 watts I was 
working almost every station I called. I stopped long enough to log each QSO so 
my printing would be legible.

Of course this is not the way to hold and run a frequency.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 28, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Robert Strickland via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jim...
> 
> I gave up on all SSB contesting long ago. To my ears and preferences, it's 
> just a pile of gibberish with maybe one very strong/clear signal every 
> 10-20Kc. Not worth it. CW is the only way to contest IMHO. While I've never 
> operated QRP, I suspect that I'm headed in that direction, also.
> 
> ...robert KE2WY
> 
> On 6/25/2023 19:37, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 6/25/2023 7:19 AM, Al Lorona wrote:
>>> I went to CW after this and found the operating to be a lot better.
>> I gave up on SSB on FD more than ten years ago. Instead, have been doing FD 
>> QRP with W6GJB and W6JTI. There are still guys who haven't been on the air 
>> in the year between, and some long pauses after a QSO, but that's the 
>> exception.
>> 73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-28 Thread Robert Strickland via Elecraft

Jim...

I gave up on all SSB contesting long ago. To my ears and preferences, 
it's just a pile of gibberish with maybe one very strong/clear signal 
every 10-20Kc. Not worth it. CW is the only way to contest IMHO. While 
I've never operated QRP, I suspect that I'm headed in that direction, also.


...robert KE2WY

On 6/25/2023 19:37, Jim Brown wrote:

On 6/25/2023 7:19 AM, Al Lorona wrote:

I went to CW after this and found the operating to be a lot better.


I gave up on SSB on FD more than ten years ago. Instead, have been doing 
FD QRP with W6GJB and W6JTI. There are still guys who haven't been on 
the air in the year between, and some long pauses after a QSO, but 
that's the exception.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-27 Thread Walter Underwood
Some practices vary with the type of contact—casual, contest, organized program 
(SOTA/POTA), event (JOTA, Field Day), DXpedition—and some are just good 
practices. This document is a good consensus description, with a lean towards 
contesting and DXpedition practices. It is called “Ethics and Operating 
Procedures for the Radio Amateur” and was developed by experience European hams.


https://www.iaru-r1.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Eth-operating-IARU-ENGLISH-version3-2010-amended-2021.pdf

I also recommend the ARRL Operating Manual, though I haven’t read a recent 
edition. I actually have it ready to pick up at my library right now.

https://home.arrl.org/action/Store/Product-Details/productId/114292

The numbers are usually “serial numbers”. They start with 1 for your first 
contact and increase with each contact.

http://www.arrl.org/contest-basics
https://www.qsl.net/zs1an/contesting_faq.html

wunder
K6WRU
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> On Jun 27, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Karl W Hubbard via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tried driving out to my local ham fest location as indicated on the ARRL 
> website, but no one was there, and then went to the past site at the high 
> school football  stadium. No one was there either. 
> I consider my self a newby, don’t even know the etiquette for contests or 
> “interrupting” some SSB rag chews I hear on my KX3. People might assume on a 
> look up on QRZ that I am an “experienced” ham and conclude that I’m one of 
> those A h0l*s. I am  still having to hold a copy of the ARRL band plan in my 
> left hand as I dial in frequencies and bands with my right! Reading the 
> instructions as I go. No Elmer’s here. 
>  Questions like: Do you or if so why do some repeat both call signs of 
> participants of a QSO vs just your own? Are the numbers at the conclusion of 
> a QSO “ you’re number 28” assigned by the contestant just a way of confirming 
> or tabulating a QSO?
> I guess it’s similar to talking to air traffic control with flying. Most of 
> ATC conversation with rapid fire instructions is anticipation, but even then 
> I had trouble reading back directions and squawk numbers etc. I think I must 
> have some auditory dyslexia, even though my age adjusted frequencies of 
> hearing are very good. 
> I am limited by my antenna arrangement, and thus ability to transmit 
> effectively with 100W running through my KPA100. I would think it becomes a 
> sort of chicken or the egg issue when it comes to QSOs if you have availed 
> yourself of all reasonable antenna options (but  I am not erecting a 60 foot 
> tower in the back of my building  or mounting my 30 ft MFJ mast with 24 
> ground radials spread over the parking lot) and the only weapon left is 
> transmission power. But the easier it is for people to hear you, the more 
> enjoyable the radio can be and your communication skills snowball. I’m 68, 
> and in excellent health, so hopefully I might have a few years at it. I am 
> looking at taking the plunge next year and getting the K4D and the KPA1500 
> but want to increase my knowledge base and will need to upgrade my Buckmaster 
> 300W 7 band OCFD currently in use to the 3000 W version. I cheat on CW with 
> keyboard encoding and decoding on the KPX3 set at 15 WPM  although all I seem 
> to get on the KX3 is decoded gibberish**E*EE ** etc.
> Finally, how much more sensitive is the K4 for signal reception compared to 
> the fully filtered  KX3?
> 73’s 
> Karl. AF5LQ
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 5:34 AM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:
> 
> Jan,
> You are an inspiration to this 79 year old.I like the city lot
> idea as well.Keep pounding the brass in good health.
> 
> 73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> On Tue 27 Jun 2023, 02:29 Jim Brown,  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/26/2023 2:01 PM, Jan wrote:
>>> The K4/at is a delight to operate anytime; this last weekend it was used
>> 
>>> Thanks to the hundred that I had exchanges with
>>> 
>>> 73, Jan K1ND
>>> 
>>> PS: At 86 years of age it was fun!
>> 
>> At W6BX, W6JTI and I, also octogenarians, worked you on at least one
>> band. We were QRP with a K3/P3/SVGA, with the entire station on battery
>> power.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-27 Thread Karl W Hubbard via Elecraft
I tried driving out to my local ham fest location as indicated on the ARRL 
website, but no one was there, and then went to the past site at the high 
school football  stadium. No one was there either. 
I consider my self a newby, don’t even know the etiquette for contests or 
“interrupting” some SSB rag chews I hear on my KX3. People might assume on a 
look up on QRZ that I am an “experienced” ham and conclude that I’m one of 
those A h0l*s. I am  still having to hold a copy of the ARRL band plan in my 
left hand as I dial in frequencies and bands with my right! Reading the 
instructions as I go. No Elmer’s here. 
 Questions like: Do you or if so why do some repeat both call signs of 
participants of a QSO vs just your own? Are the numbers at the conclusion of a 
QSO “ you’re number 28” assigned by the contestant just a way of confirming or 
tabulating a QSO?
I guess it’s similar to talking to air traffic control with flying. Most of ATC 
conversation with rapid fire instructions is anticipation, but even then I had 
trouble reading back directions and squawk numbers etc. I think I must have 
some auditory dyslexia, even though my age adjusted frequencies of hearing are 
very good. 
I am limited by my antenna arrangement, and thus ability to transmit 
effectively with 100W running through my KPA100. I would think it becomes a 
sort of chicken or the egg issue when it comes to QSOs if you have availed 
yourself of all reasonable antenna options (but  I am not erecting a 60 foot 
tower in the back of my building  or mounting my 30 ft MFJ mast with 24 ground 
radials spread over the parking lot) and the only weapon left is transmission 
power. But the easier it is for people to hear you, the more enjoyable the 
radio can be and your communication skills snowball. I’m 68, and in excellent 
health, so hopefully I might have a few years at it. I am looking at taking the 
plunge next year and getting the K4D and the KPA1500 but want to increase my 
knowledge base and will need to upgrade my Buckmaster 300W 7 band OCFD 
currently in use to the 3000 W version. I cheat on CW with keyboard encoding 
and decoding on the KPX3 set at 15 WPM  although all I seem to get on the KX3 
is decoded gibberish**E*EE ** etc.
Finally, how much more sensitive is the K4 for signal reception compared to the 
fully filtered  KX3?
73’s 
Karl. AF5LQ


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 5:34 AM, Doug Turnbull  wrote:

Jan,
    You are an inspiration to this 79 year old.    I like the city lot
idea as well.    Keep pounding the brass in good health.

73 Doug EI2CN

On Tue 27 Jun 2023, 02:29 Jim Brown,  wrote:

> On 6/26/2023 2:01 PM, Jan wrote:
> > The K4/at is a delight to operate anytime; this last weekend it was used
>
> > Thanks to the hundred that I had exchanges with
> >
> > 73, Jan K1ND
> >
> > PS: At 86 years of age it was fun!
>
> At W6BX, W6JTI and I, also octogenarians, worked you on at least one
> band. We were QRP with a K3/P3/SVGA, with the entire station on battery
> power.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-27 Thread Doug Turnbull
Jan,
 You are an inspiration to this 79 year old.I like the city lot
idea as well.Keep pounding the brass in good health.

73 Doug EI2CN

On Tue 27 Jun 2023, 02:29 Jim Brown,  wrote:

> On 6/26/2023 2:01 PM, Jan wrote:
> > The K4/at is a delight to operate anytime; this last weekend it was used
>
> > Thanks to the hundred that I had exchanges with
> >
> > 73, Jan K1ND
> >
> > PS: At 86 years of age it was fun!
>
> At W6BX, W6JTI and I, also octogenarians, worked you on at least one
> band. We were QRP with a K3/P3/SVGA, with the entire station on battery
> power.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-26 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/26/2023 2:01 PM, Jan wrote:
The K4/at is a delight to operate anytime; this last weekend it was used 



Thanks to the hundred that I had exchanges with

73, Jan K1ND

PS: At 86 years of age it was fun!


At W6BX, W6JTI and I, also octogenarians, worked you on at least one 
band. We were QRP with a K3/P3/SVGA, with the entire station on battery 
power.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-26 Thread Jan
The K4/at is a delight to operate anytime; this last weekend it was used 
in the /Field Day Event/


I ran mine @ 20watts on 40 & 80 meters CW via a wire dipole on a city lot///
/

Simple setup with memories programed /~  I/ /had a ball///

Thanks to the hundred that I had exchanges with

73, Jan K1ND

PS: At 86 years of age it was fun!//


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-25 Thread john
Interesting conclusion.  



David Fifield AD6A wrote:

I've been using my K4 at 100W (per the FD rules) this afternoon on several
bands.
I am 1D OR.
I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.
To me, this means that the K4 Rx is bomb-proof, sensitive, selective, and
just, well, awesome.
If the other stations had better receivers, they might be able to hear me
calling them. 
They are obviously bogged down with on-site overload/spurii/phase noise etc.

What a pity. 
I gave up replying hopelessly to CQFD's from other 100W stations and went
and did some woodworking instead.
Much more satisfying. Oh well..

73, Dave AD6A

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-25 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/25/2023 7:19 AM, Al Lorona wrote:

I went to CW after this and found the operating to be a lot better.


I gave up on SSB on FD more than ten years ago. Instead, have been doing 
FD QRP with W6GJB and W6JTI. There are still guys who haven't been on 
the air in the year between, and some long pauses after a QSO, but 
that's the exception.


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-25 Thread Al Lorona
> I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.
The most likely reason for this is operator inexperience, which is a perennial 
problem on Field Day. It's great that lots of people who don't usually get on 
the air, get on the air... but the side effect of this is a lot of really poor 
operating habits.

The biggest problem this year, in my opinion, was not identifying at the end of 
each contact. Many ops who were running on a frequency simply would acknowledge 
receipt of the exchange, then just stop transmitting and listen for the next 
caller. Here's an example:

W4---: CQ Field Day, this is W4---.
W3--: This is W3--.
W4---: W3--, I'm 2A Georgia.
W3--:  Thanks, I'm 4A Western Pennsylvania.
W4---: Got your 4A Western Pennsylvania. Good luck in Field Day!


See the problem? This would sometimes continue for 5, 6, or 7 contacts, with 
the W4 never sending his own call. So, be me for a minute: there I am, waiting 
to call the W4, except I don't know he's a W4 because he hasn't said so, and 
neither has anybody else. After the first 20 or 30 times this happened, I 
stopped waiting around for these stations to finally identify themselves.

Once, when this happened for about 6 contacts while I waited around to work a 
strong station in Georgia who refused to identify, I became frustrated and 
transmitted, "Hey, Old Man, you need to ID after each contact!"  The guy 
immediately came back, "Let me tell you, young man, that we're all Extra class 
operators here who finish in the Top 10 every year, so you're not going to 
lecture me on how I should operate!"

I went to CW after this and found the operating to be a lot better. I still 
heard the problem I just described, but not as frequently as on phone.
Another common malpractice was people who were calling CQ, and who would 
receive a response to their CQ, but then would tell the caller to send his 
exchange first. This isn't the way you do it. The CQing station always sends 
its exchange first, then turns it over to the calling station, so that the 
CQing station can acknowledge receipt, identify, and stand by for another 
caller.

I feel like we go over this after every Field Day, and nothing has ever 
changed. I feel like Get Off My Lawn Guy right now.

If you're in a club that's planning a Field Day operation, you need to take the 
April or May club meeting and help people practice the Field Day exchange 
protocol with mock QSOs. It's getting really bad on the phone bands during 
Field Day.
(I didn't mean to subtract from your enjoyment of your new K4. I hope it turns 
out to be a great rig for you for many years.)

Regards,

Al  W6LX



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-24 Thread David Gilbert


That falls more under the category of lore than science.  By all 
accounts the K4 has a terrific receiver, but of the several possible 
reasons for what you experienced your receiver is at least a couple 
notches down the list.


73
Dave   AB7E


On 6/24/2023 6:28 PM, David Fifield wrote:

I’ve been using my K4 at 100W (per the FD rules) this afternoon on several 
bands.
I am 1D OR.
I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.
To me, this means that the K4 Rx is bomb-proof, sensitive, selective, and just, 
well, awesome.
If the other stations had better receivers, they might be able to hear me 
calling them.
They are obviously bogged down with on-site overload/spurii/phase noise etc.
What a pity.
I gave up replying hopelessly to CQFD’s from other 100W stations and went and 
did some woodworking instead.
Much more satisfying. Oh well….

73, Dave AD6A


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-24 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/24/2023 6:28 PM, David Fifield wrote:

I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.


Two likely reasons. 1) their receive noise; 2) your antennas.

73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] K4 Rx is awesome...

2023-06-24 Thread David Fifield
I’ve been using my K4 at 100W (per the FD rules) this afternoon on several 
bands.
I am 1D OR.
I can hear many many stations but hardly any of them can hear me.
To me, this means that the K4 Rx is bomb-proof, sensitive, selective, and just, 
well, awesome.
If the other stations had better receivers, they might be able to hear me 
calling them. 
They are obviously bogged down with on-site overload/spurii/phase noise etc. 
What a pity. 
I gave up replying hopelessly to CQFD’s from other 100W stations and went and 
did some woodworking instead.
Much more satisfying. Oh well….

73, Dave AD6A
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