[Elecraft] Keyboard plugged into the P3 SVGA works but...

[hawley, charles j jr]

I asked the question how do you type live and send CW, and got the answer about 
the Menu set to VOX.
That works now but it doesn't work in SSB to automatically offset and send out 
CW like with paddles plugged into the K3.
Is this not possible with the keyboard and SVGA?

Chuck Hawley
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 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
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[Elecraft] KEYBOARD Plugged into P3 SVGA...can't type out live.

[hawley, charles j jr]

I can type into the transmit buffer and with ctrl T, transmit the CW. But with 
the VOX turned on in the K3s, the typing doesn't go out as I type, but fills up 
the buffer. I still have to hit ctrl T to transmit.
Am I missing something that needs to be turned on or off?

Chuck Hawley
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 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard compatible with P3/SVGA

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

I can attest that yes there is indeed Mac version of Logitech Options software. 
And I agree that the picture-based docs are not great. 
The Unifying receivers must be paired on the computer to one of the three 
keyboard selector buttons, then removed and plugged into the back of the P3. I 
also have a K780, I have the #1 button set to select the left P3, the #2 button 
selects the Mac, and #3 selects the right P3. 

Note that you need to use a keyboard that is compatible with the Unifying 
receiver and not only USB. There are other Logitech keyboards that are 
compatible.
If anyone has a question or needs help, just ask.

And, for the record, I do work for Logitech. In fact Options/Mac is one of my 
products…

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 6, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> I have installed the Logitech K780 w/3 Unifying receivers.  I had to come up 
> with two more unifying receivers (very small USB unifying receiver dongles) 
> as the keyboard only comes with one in the box. Amazon or Logitech sells 
> them.  Best Buy did NOT.  One dongle for the computer and one each for the 
> Elecraft radios.  This setup allows me to control the shack computer and two 
> radios.  It  eliminates a USB switch and 4 USB cables behind the "wireless" 
> operating station.  The keyboard has three white keys at the top left for 
> selecting the device you want... radio or computer.  It's a little tricky 
> setting it up and you MUST use the Logitech Unifying Receiver software to set 
> it up.  Not sure if there is any Apple s/w for this keyboard.  IMHO, the 
> documentation on how to do all this is not very good.  The On/Off power 
> switch for the keyboard in on the right edge towards the front of the 
> keyboard.  Took me a while to find it since there wasn't any useful 
> documentation as to exactly where it was on the keyboard and the power has to 
> be cycled to get the keyboard paired with additional unifying receivers.  
> Bottom line:  works great once it's all set up.
> 
> Thanks for the recommendation Jack.
> 
> 73
> Scott
> AD5HS
> 
> 
> On 7/6/2019 10:56 AM, Steve, K4FJ via Elecraft wrote:
>> I am interested in using a keyboard with my P3/SVGA setup and have requested 
>> a list of compatible keyboards from Elecraft.  In the mean time I am 
>> interested in what others may be using.
>> Respond either to the list or to me directly -- k...@aol.com
>> Thanks,
>> Steve, K4FJ
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard compatible with P3/SVGA

[Scott]

I have installed the Logitech K780 w/3 Unifying receivers.  I had to 
come up with two more unifying receivers (very small USB unifying 
receiver dongles) as the keyboard only comes with one in the box. 
Amazon or Logitech sells them.  Best Buy did NOT.  One dongle for the 
computer and one each for the Elecraft radios.  This setup allows me to 
control the shack computer and two radios.  It  eliminates a USB switch 
and 4 USB cables behind the "wireless" operating station.  The keyboard 
has three white keys at the top left for selecting the device you 
want... radio or computer.  It's a little tricky setting it up and you 
MUST use the Logitech Unifying Receiver software to set it up.  Not sure 
if there is any Apple s/w for this keyboard.  IMHO, the documentation on 
how to do all this is not very good.  The On/Off power switch for the 
keyboard in on the right edge towards the front of the keyboard.  Took 
me a while to find it since there wasn't any useful documentation as to 
exactly where it was on the keyboard and the power has to be cycled to 
get the keyboard paired with additional unifying receivers.  Bottom 
line:  works great once it's all set up.


Thanks for the recommendation Jack.

73
Scott
AD5HS


On 7/6/2019 10:56 AM, Steve, K4FJ via Elecraft wrote:

I am interested in using a keyboard with my P3/SVGA setup and have requested a 
list of compatible keyboards from Elecraft.  In the mean time I am interested 
in what others may be using.
Respond either to the list or to me directly -- k...@aol.com
Thanks,
Steve, K4FJ
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[Elecraft] Keyboard compatible with P3/SVGA

[Steve, K4FJ via Elecraft]

I am interested in using a keyboard with my P3/SVGA setup and have requested a 
list of compatible keyboards from Elecraft.  In the mean time I am interested 
in what others may be using.
Respond either to the list or to me directly -- k...@aol.com
Thanks,
Steve, K4FJ
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Re: [Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

 I use a 64 key Genovation Keypad via serial and not via the P3, That way the 
P3 can have a keyboard plugged into it.
At one time I saw where somone had used a raspberry Pi to make a interface to 
go between two keyboarddevices and the P3 but I haven't found it again (that 
seems the best way to do it)


On Saturday, February 16, 2019, 7:06:03 AM EST, Dave Cole (NK7Z) 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Bob,

On a related subject, but not quite what you asked about, if you are 
just looking for a way to fire off macros at the K3, and have the SVGA 
for the P3, see:

https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

This is a way to use a 64 key Genovation keypad to fire off complex 
macros to the K3/P3, using a single keypress, from a dedicated pad, as 
opposed to having to type in macros, or triggers to the K3/P3 radio 
complex via a keyboard.

An example of what can be done would be the "Offset +" macro-- I press a 
single button on the Genovation keypad, and the Radio drops into split, 
the P3 shifts the CW signal to the left side of the display, while 
setting the bandwidth for the P3 to 6 KHz., to show the top part of the 
pile up, and then sets the K3 bandwidth to whatever I have set in the 
macro, all with a single button press.

I currently have 32 macros programmed up, some for power level setting, 
switching VFOs, triggering the K3 memories in CW or Voice, setting K3 
bandwidths, contest exchanges, IDs, etc.

There is a spread sheet of macros you can download for use within the 
Genovation setup at that URL as well.  I seldom even touch the K3 now, 
but to tune, or turn it on, or off.  Most of my K3/P3 operations comes 
from the Genovation keypad.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
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ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
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On 2/15/19 6:53 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
> I'm looking for the recommend keyboard to plug into the back of the P3 that 
> works! I looking for a mini keyboard..The one I have does not work..
> 
> 
> Thanks Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[bill]

The 48 key Genovation is WONDERFUL!!!  It allows me to do most 
everything with the touch of a button or two - from memories, to 
filters, to tuning, and more. The only limit is your imagination for 
building macros. I never have to reach across the desk to hands-on the 
K3 except to turn it on and off. Need more desk edge control? Get a 
KPod. BTW I use an old wired keyboard for the P3.




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Re: [Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

Hi Bob,

On a related subject, but not quite what you asked about, if you are 
just looking for a way to fire off macros at the K3, and have the SVGA 
for the P3, see:


https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/

This is a way to use a 64 key Genovation keypad to fire off complex 
macros to the K3/P3, using a single keypress, from a dedicated pad, as 
opposed to having to type in macros, or triggers to the K3/P3 radio 
complex via a keyboard.


An example of what can be done would be the "Offset +" macro-- I press a 
single button on the Genovation keypad, and the Radio drops into split, 
the P3 shifts the CW signal to the left side of the display, while 
setting the bandwidth for the P3 to 6 KHz., to show the top part of the 
pile up, and then sets the K3 bandwidth to whatever I have set in the 
macro, all with a single button press.


I currently have 32 macros programmed up, some for power level setting, 
switching VFOs, triggering the K3 memories in CW or Voice, setting K3 
bandwidths, contest exchanges, IDs, etc.


There is a spread sheet of macros you can download for use within the 
Genovation setup at that URL as well.  I seldom even touch the K3 now, 
but to tune, or turn it on, or off.  Most of my K3/P3 operations comes 
from the Genovation keypad.


73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Awards
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 2/15/19 6:53 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:

I'm looking for the recommend keyboard to plug into the back of the P3 that 
works! I looking for a mini keyboard..The one I have does not work..


Thanks Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

Several wireless Logitech keyboards have a very interesting feature - they can 
connect to several computers or devices, switching between them by simply 
tapping a key on the keyboard. As an example, I use a K780 with a Logitech 
Unifying receiver plugged into my P3. A second Unifying receiver is plugged 
into my Mac mini. By tapping the ‘F1’ key it talks to the P3, then I tap the 
‘F2’ key to work with the Mac. If you have a third device (another computer or 
even a second P3) it can connect to that also. It can use Bluetooth or Unifying 
for any of the devices, although you need to use the small Unifying receiver 
with a P3. There are several keyboards that support this feature at various 
prices, including the K780, the Craft, the K600 and a few more. It’s pretty 
neat, eliminating the need for several keyboards at once. If you look at 
Logitech keyboards, steer clear of the Bluetooth-only keyboards for this use. 
The P3 does not support the Bluetooth stack, so plugging a Bluetooth dongle 
into the back of the P3 is pretty much a waste of time. It works very well with 
the Logitech Unifying USB dongles and keyboards, though.

And, for the record, I work for Logitech these days. What that really means is 
that I have tried Logitech keyboards. There may be wireless keyboards made by 
other companies that work in this situation also; I just haven’t tried them.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Feb 15, 2019, at 9:08 PM, Alan  wrote:
> 
> I can't find the document on the new Elecraft web site but here's a copy that 
> I cut and pasted from a posting in October 2015.  I think this is a small 
> subset of keyboards that are compatible with the PX3 and P3 with SVGA option. 
>  My understanding is that pretty much any keyboard that is not Bluetooth or 
> "multimedia" should work.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
> PX3 suggested keyboard list
> © 2015 Elecraft Inc
> Keyboards listed were available when this list was created and have been 
> tested with the PX3/P3SVGA
> 
> Note: most "PC BIOS compatible" keyboards will work.  In other words, the 
> keyboard must be able to be recognized by the PC BIOS.  This rules out 
> Bluetooth and multimedia style keyboards, those with mice, touchpads, and 
> multimedia functions.
> 
> 
> Model Number Manufacturer Style/Notes
> 
> K360 Logitech Wireless
> K270 Logitech Wireless, separate keypad
> K120 Logitech Wired
> KB212 Dell wired, full size, came with PC
> Monoprice Flexible Monoprice Wired, available on Ebay
> MK360 Logitech wireless, inludes mouse
> KU-1060 HP wired, full size, came with PC
> SK-2085 HP wired, full size , came with PC
> KB113p Dell wired, med size, came with PC
> 
> "78 Key USB Slim Mini Small Thin Keyboard Compact Desktop Laptop PC Win 7 
> White" Ebay
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/15/19 6:53 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
>> I'm looking for the recommend keyboard to plug into the back of the P3 that 
>> works! I looking for a mini keyboard..The one I have does not work..
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

Most Logitech keyboards work well with the P3.
I don't know about the mini-keyboards.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/15/2019 9:53 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:

I'm looking for the recommend keyboard to plug into the back of the P3 that 
works! I looking for a mini keyboard..The one I have does not work..

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Re: [Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[Alan]

I can't find the document on the new Elecraft web site but here's a copy 
that I cut and pasted from a posting in October 2015.  I think this is a 
small subset of keyboards that are compatible with the PX3 and P3 with 
SVGA option.  My understanding is that pretty much any keyboard that is 
not Bluetooth or "multimedia" should work.


Alan N1AL


PX3 suggested keyboard list
© 2015 Elecraft Inc
Keyboards listed were available when this list was created and have been 
tested with the PX3/P3SVGA


Note: most "PC BIOS compatible" keyboards will work.  In other words, 
the keyboard must be able to be recognized by the PC BIOS.  This rules 
out Bluetooth and multimedia style keyboards, those with mice, 
touchpads, and multimedia functions.



Model Number Manufacturer Style/Notes

K360 Logitech Wireless
K270 Logitech Wireless, separate keypad
K120 Logitech Wired
KB212 Dell wired, full size, came with PC
Monoprice Flexible Monoprice Wired, available on Ebay
MK360 Logitech wireless, inludes mouse
KU-1060 HP wired, full size, came with PC
SK-2085 HP wired, full size , came with PC
KB113p Dell wired, med size, came with PC

"78 Key USB Slim Mini Small Thin Keyboard Compact Desktop Laptop PC Win 
7 White" Ebay




On 2/15/19 6:53 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:

I'm looking for the recommend keyboard to plug into the back of the P3 that 
works! I looking for a mini keyboard..The one I have does not work..


Thanks Bob
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[Elecraft] KEYBOARD

[Bob Gibson via Elecraft]

I'm looking for the recommend keyboard to plug into the back of the P3 that 
works! I looking for a mini keyboard..The one I have does not work..


Thanks Bob
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard RF Interference

[Grant Youngman]

Thanks ... I'll give one a try

Grant NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire  wrote:
> 
> How about a wireless (not Bluetooth) keyboard, especially since they 
> apparently only "come alive" when a key is pressed and there's no cables, 
> etc. 
> 
> I have an Anker A7723 2.4G that, IIRC, cost me about $20 that I use with my 
> P3. 
> 
> Out of curiosity, I turned it on, wrapped wire around it and connected it to 
> the antenna terminal on my KX3. It was just enough antenna to bring WWV in 
> weakly on 10 MHz and the noise background was just perceptibly higher than 
> with no wire attached to the antenna term. It still didn't register on the 
> S-meter. 
> 
> Pressing keys did not produce a rise in background noise on any band from 
> 160-6 meters.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> 
> 
> -
> 
> Can anyone suggest a COMPACT keyboard used with a KX3/PX3 in a “near antenna” 
> portable environment that you have found to be clean of RF hash?
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard RF Interference

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

How about a wireless (not Bluetooth) keyboard, especially since they apparently 
only "come alive" when a key is pressed and there's no cables, etc. 

I have an Anker A7723 2.4G that, IIRC, cost me about $20 that I use with my P3. 

Out of curiosity, I turned it on, wrapped wire around it and connected it to 
the antenna terminal on my KX3. It was just enough antenna to bring WWV in 
weakly on 10 MHz and the noise background was just perceptibly higher than with 
no wire attached to the antenna term. It still didn't register on the S-meter. 

Pressing keys did not produce a rise in background noise on any band from 160-6 
meters.

73, Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT 
YOUNGMAN
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:12 PM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard RF Interference

Can anyone suggest a COMPACT keyboard used with a KX3/PX3 in a “near antenna” 
portable environment that you have found to be clean of RF hash?

I purchased a small USB keyboard (Gearhead, from Fry’s), and its matrix scanner 
is generating tons of RF garbage — spreading noise spikes at around 8 kHz 
intervals all over 40/20M.  It’s coming from the keyboard itself.  Ferrites on 
the USB cord have no discernible impact on the garbage.  Touching the metal 
bottom plate significantly increases the level of the noise.  When portable I’m 
generally only 5-15’ from the antenna (a Buddipole).  

At least the keyboard was cheap enough to be a non-painful throwaway.

Thanks … 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




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[Elecraft] Keyboard RF Interference

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Can anyone suggest a COMPACT keyboard used with a KX3/PX3 in a “near antenna” 
portable environment that you have found to be clean of RF hash?

I purchased a small USB keyboard (Gearhead, from Fry’s), and its matrix scanner 
is generating tons of RF garbage — spreading noise spikes at around 8 kHz 
intervals all over 40/20M.  It’s coming from the keyboard itself.  Ferrites on 
the USB cord have no discernible impact on the garbage.  Touching the metal 
bottom plate significantly increases the level of the noise.  When portable I’m 
generally only 5-15’ from the antenna (a Buddipole).  

At least the keyboard was cheap enough to be a non-painful throwaway.

Thanks … 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Cady, Fred]

Hi Mark,
You can find a list of keyboards that work at 
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf.

I use a logitec k360 wireless.

You can find a partial PX3 chapter detailing the Text Mode operation that 
became available in a recent firmware update at
http://www.ke7x.com/The-KX3

Look down toward the bottom of the page for "PX3 Text Mode pdf download"

Cheers,
Fred KE7X

For all KE7X Elecraft books see www.ke7x.com






From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Mark Tellez 
<aar...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:13 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

Hello,

I am looking for a keyboard to use with KX3/PX3 combo.

I am looking for a keyboard that has the following properties and was
hoping that someone might have a suggestion:

   - Compact (similar to the Logitech K810)
   - Backlit
   - Weatherproof (would be nice)
   - Well constructed

I found the SIIG JK-US0911-S1 Industrial/Medical Grade Washable Backlit
Keyboard with Pointing Device keyboard that seems to fit all my needs but
apparently wont (or might not) work.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00POYDFTK/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i1_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_s=desktop-1_rd_r=0JCP74W9ZZQKEEX52Z3C_rd_t=36701_rd_p=2079475242_rd_i=desktop

Any recommendations?

Mark
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[Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Mark Tellez]

Hello,

I am looking for a keyboard to use with KX3/PX3 combo.

I am looking for a keyboard that has the following properties and was
hoping that someone might have a suggestion:

   - Compact (similar to the Logitech K810)
   - Backlit
   - Weatherproof (would be nice)
   - Well constructed

I found the SIIG JK-US0911-S1 Industrial/Medical Grade Washable Backlit
Keyboard with Pointing Device keyboard that seems to fit all my needs but
apparently wont (or might not) work.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00POYDFTK/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i1_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER_rd_s=desktop-1_rd_r=0JCP74W9ZZQKEEX52Z3C_rd_t=36701_rd_p=2079475242_rd_i=desktop

Any recommendations?

Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had buyers

[Jerry Moore]

Paul, 
  Will this be fixed so that operators can run full resolution with an
external monitor while running high speed CW via a keyboard connected to the
P3 and not be affected?
Can it be fixed with firmware or will it require different hardware?

I'm close to ordering my rig and don't want to be bitten by this.

Thanks in advance.
Jerry Moore / AE4PB

-Original Message-
From: Marc Veeneman [mailto:mhv...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:33 PM
To: Paul Saffren
Cc: Jerry Moore; elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: Keyboard Issue - [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had
buyers

Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I'm not suffering character loss, even the
double l in hello gets sent every time I've tried it.  The quick brown fox
is happy, too.

Oddly, in the several times I've typed the typical quick brown fox, I
haven't seen the data delay either.

What a difference!

It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank
you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the
K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
- 
Marc   W8SDG

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Marc,
 
 Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution setting
(SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  My guess that will help.   At 1920x1024 the SVGA
runs a little slower (more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the
monitor, there is no reason to have it at the highest resolution.
 
 -Paul
 
 Paul Saffren - N6HZ
 Project Manager
 Elecraft Inc.
 831-763-4211 x122
 www.elecraft.com
 
 On 8/7/2015 2:09 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
 On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Hi Marc,
 
 I was reading Jer's recent post, Executive Summary,   If you have that
monitor connected to the P3/SVGA, press Ctrl-Alt-S on the keyboard and tell
me what the TRANSMIT MODE is set to.
 VOX
 
 
 Also list what the Transmit Timeout is.
 3000
 
 
 Next, on the P3, enter the SVGA menu, scroll to SVGA res, and tell me
what the resolution is set to for the SVGA monitor.
 1920 x 1080
 
 Finally, in Jer's post it says you are sending at 60 WPM CW, but the K3
only goes to 50 WPM.   What is the K3 software version?
 05.29
 
 -
 Marc
 
 
 -Paul
 
 Paul Saffren - N6HZ
 Project Manager
 Elecraft Inc.
 831-763-4211 x122
 www.elecraft.com
 
 On 8/6/2015 6:48 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
 That's a relief.  C is good.
 
 Now I feel more comfortable, Paul.  And I have some insight into your
life, too.  :-)
 
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had buyers

[Marc Veeneman]

Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I’m not suffering character loss, even the double 
“l” in hello gets sent every time I’ve tried it.  The quick brown fox is happy, 
too.

Oddly, in the several times I’ve typed the typical quick brown fox, I haven’t 
seen the data delay either.

What a difference!

It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank 
you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the K3/P3/SVGA 
keyboard in live CW QSOs.
— 
Marc   W8SDG

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Marc,
 
 Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution setting (SVGA 
 res) to 1024x768 .  My guess that will help.   At 1920x1024 the SVGA runs a 
 little slower (more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the monitor, 
 there is no reason to have it at the highest resolution.
 
 -Paul
 
 Paul Saffren - N6HZ
 Project Manager
 Elecraft Inc.
 831-763-4211 x122
 www.elecraft.com
 
 On 8/7/2015 2:09 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
 On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Hi Marc,
 
 I was reading Jer's recent post, Executive Summary,   If you have that 
 monitor connected to the P3/SVGA, press Ctrl-Alt-S on the keyboard and tell 
 me what the TRANSMIT MODE is set to.
 VOX
 
 
 Also list what the Transmit Timeout is.
 3000
 
 
 Next, on the P3, enter the SVGA menu, scroll to SVGA res, and tell me what 
 the resolution is set to for the SVGA monitor.
 1920 x 1080
 
 Finally, in Jer's post it says you are sending at 60 WPM CW, but the K3 
 only goes to 50 WPM.   What is the K3 software version?
 05.29
 
 —
 Marc
 
 
 -Paul
 
 Paul Saffren - N6HZ
 Project Manager
 Elecraft Inc.
 831-763-4211 x122
 www.elecraft.com
 
 On 8/6/2015 6:48 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
 That's a relief.  C is good.
 
 Now I feel more comfortable, Paul.  And I have some insight into your 
 life, too.  :-)
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had buyers

[Jerry Moore]

Excellent!! :)

-Original Message-
From: Marc Veeneman [mailto:mhv...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:33 PM
To: Paul Saffren
Cc: Jerry Moore; elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: Keyboard Issue - [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had
buyers

Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I'm not suffering character loss, even the
double l in hello gets sent every time I've tried it.  The quick brown fox
is happy, too.

Oddly, in the several times I've typed the typical quick brown fox, I
haven't seen the data delay either.

What a difference!

It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank
you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the
K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
- 
Marc   W8SDG

 On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Marc,
 
 Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution setting
(SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  My guess that will help.   At 1920x1024 the SVGA
runs a little slower (more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the
monitor, there is no reason to have it at the highest resolution.
 
 -Paul
 
 Paul Saffren - N6HZ
 Project Manager
 Elecraft Inc.
 831-763-4211 x122
 www.elecraft.com
 
 On 8/7/2015 2:09 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
 On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Paul Saffren pa...@elecraft.com wrote:
 
 Hi Marc,
 
 I was reading Jer's recent post, Executive Summary,   If you have that
monitor connected to the P3/SVGA, press Ctrl-Alt-S on the keyboard and tell
me what the TRANSMIT MODE is set to.
 VOX
 
 
 Also list what the Transmit Timeout is.
 3000
 
 
 Next, on the P3, enter the SVGA menu, scroll to SVGA res, and tell me
what the resolution is set to for the SVGA monitor.
 1920 x 1080
 
 Finally, in Jer's post it says you are sending at 60 WPM CW, but the K3
only goes to 50 WPM.   What is the K3 software version?
 05.29
 
 -
 Marc
 
 
 -Paul
 
 Paul Saffren - N6HZ
 Project Manager
 Elecraft Inc.
 831-763-4211 x122
 www.elecraft.com
 
 On 8/6/2015 6:48 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
 That's a relief.  C is good.
 
 Now I feel more comfortable, Paul.  And I have some insight into your
life, too.  :-)
 
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had buyers

[Richard Fjeld]

Marc,Please let me know if you no longer experience dropped characters between 
the P3/SVGA and the K3.  I may have hardware trouble.
Dick, n0ce  




 From: mhv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:32:38 -0400
 To: pa...@elecraft.com
 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had 
 buyers
 
 Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I’m not suffering character loss, even the 
 double “l” in hello gets sent every time I’ve tried it.  The quick brown fox 
 is happy, too.
 
 Oddly, in the several times I’ve typed the typical quick brown fox, I haven’t 
 seen the data delay either.
 
 What a difference!
 
 It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank 
 you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the 
 K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
 — 
 Marc   W8SDG
 

  
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had buyers

[Jerry Moore]

Hi Marc,

 All speculation and conjecture on my part. 

 

   Looking at the block diagrams for the digital I/O boards looks like (a
total guess on my part) you are experiencing an issue related to the rig
design. My understanding is the MCU code runs in a big loop (likely with
many subloops). I would expect that future designs would likely have two MCU
rather than one if the K3* is starting to see latency in external control
type I/O. Personal computers are designed to be interrupt driven where most
industrial grade type gear run programming loops. The advantage to the way
industrial gear is designed is the raw speed they can achieve. The
challenges come in when integrating other systems that need more time from
the MCU. Depending upon how the DSP and other features are integrated they
may require high MCU time which would leave less available to things like
I/O. Of course I have no clue how the K3* gear is programmed or works. I'm
just guessing based on the block diagram and my intuition based on
experience. I'd expect Elecraft might try to tweak the code a bit to help
the I/O, however, depending on the system design it's a balancing act.

 

As I stated, just a guess. 

 

With regard to using wireless gear. I'm a computer guy with a strong
electronics background. I've found most consumer electronics gear to be very
susceptible to RF. I'm like you in that I want plug n play setups, however,
I still use a laptop with my Radio station for lookups, sat tracking,
grayline, .etc.

 

I'd not count Elecraft totally out on the keyboard performance feature. Not
many of us can type that fast, but, it's probably something to look at. My
concern would be marginally affecting something that's more important like
DSP processing. Perhaps a re-design of the I/O board with it's own
microcontroller. Add separate RS232 and USB Host ports, the I/O MCU could
buffer the I/O .etc.. anyway.conjecture is fun but without any facts it's
hard to imagine a probable fix.

 

As a note: I'm signed up for CW Academy but the class doesn't start until
Jan/Feb. In the mean time I'm spending my time listening around 7.053ish in
the AM. There seems to be a lot of rag chewing so it's good copy practice
(generally fast too). I'm using LCWO.net as well to hammer in the sounds.
About 2 or 3 times a week I break out the CW Academy papers and try sending
with my Bencher/Vibroplex paddle. Practice, practice, practice. I aspire to
be QRO like you ;)

Jer

 

Es 73 ..

 

 

 

Message: 5

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:22:35 -0400

From: Marc Veeneman mhv...@gmail.com

To: David F. Reed w5sv.d...@gmail.com

Cc: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers

remorse on a  K3/K3S purchase?

Message-ID: aa39b62a-226d-42f2-b377-e06aa4cd6...@gmail.com

Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=us-ascii

 

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will
not be selling it.

 

That was the summary.  Here, at great length, is the detail:

 

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much.  I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon.   But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack.  I prefer to have minimal
equipment at the operating desk.  With that in mind, I saw the pictures of
the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket.  I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.  

 

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better.  Seeing the
entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new
dimension to my hobby.  

 

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the
keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

 

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is
increasing so I ordered the K3 combo.  It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard
and commenced to play with it.  Trouble.  Letters, and sometimes whole words
went missing.  CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops
and CTRL-S fails.  However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.  

 

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news.  My wireless keyboard was not
approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.  I ordered a USB
keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference.  I still had
all the same problems with the wired, approved keyboard.  Then more bad news
from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I
wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for
sending CW.  Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.


 

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again.  

Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard QRO

[Jerry Moore]

I just had a thought. A Raspberry Pi could be used to interface the QRO 
keyboard to the K3/K3S through whatever interface supports the high speed 
keying. Of course we’d need an OS and program on the Raspberry PI but I’d 
expect that already exists. We might have to homebrew a switch interface. The 
new Raspberry PI units are around $45 or so. The older Raspberry PI units would 
work fine for this running SE-Linux. Just thinking out loud. Yes it’s another 
box, but, at the end of the day you can just plug it in and run. The Raspberry 
Pi in a case is about the size of a pack of cigarettes. There may be 
better/cheaper solutions as well. Just thinking outside the box for a quick fix.

Jer / AE4PB 

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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard for P3 SVGA

[Fred Smith]

I have one of the rubber Monoprice flexible roll-up ones, very flat and easy
to store out of the way when not in use.

Price was very attractive.


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2
Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha 9500 HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2)
B-5016-G's 165w 2m



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Prather
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 11:53 PM
To: Jim N7US
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard for P3 SVGA

Jim,

I've be very happy with the Logitech K360.

Full stroke (or nearly so) and available at some good discounts at Amazon,
etc.

Rick
K6LE



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Jim N7US j...@n7us.net wrote:

 I apologize for asking a question that has been asked before, but I 
 just got an SVGA board for my P3.  I tried an old Dell (Logitech) USB 
 wireless keyboard but it doesn't seem to work.  I seem to be pairing 
 the USB receiver with the keyboard but typing an * isn't recognized by 
 the P3 SVGA.

 The question, of course, is what keyboards, preferably wireless, have 
 been found to be compatible with a P3/SVGA?  Are there any that are 
 full-travel, rather than Chicklet style?

 Thanks very much.

 73, Jim N7US





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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard for P3 SVGA

[Paul Saffren N6HZ]

Hi Jim, 

The keyboard I use here is the Logitech K360.  You can usually find them at
a great discount from Staples and Amazon.   Technically speaking, the USB
stack on the SVGA board is looking for a basic PC BIOS keyboard.  

73, 

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[Elecraft] Keyboard for P3 SVGA

[Jim N7US]

I apologize for asking a question that has been asked before, but I just got
an SVGA board for my P3.  I tried an old Dell (Logitech) USB wireless
keyboard but it doesn't seem to work.  I seem to be pairing the USB receiver
with the keyboard but typing an * isn't recognized by the P3 SVGA.

The question, of course, is what keyboards, preferably wireless, have been
found to be compatible with a P3/SVGA?  Are there any that are full-travel,
rather than Chicklet style?

Thanks very much.

73, Jim N7US





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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard for P3 SVGA

[Rick Prather]

Jim,

I've be very happy with the Logitech K360.

Full stroke (or nearly so) and available at some good discounts at Amazon,
etc.

Rick
K6LE



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Jim N7US j...@n7us.net wrote:

 I apologize for asking a question that has been asked before, but I just
 got
 an SVGA board for my P3.  I tried an old Dell (Logitech) USB wireless
 keyboard but it doesn't seem to work.  I seem to be pairing the USB
 receiver
 with the keyboard but typing an * isn't recognized by the P3 SVGA.

 The question, of course, is what keyboards, preferably wireless, have been
 found to be compatible with a P3/SVGA?  Are there any that are full-travel,
 rather than Chicklet style?

 Thanks very much.

 73, Jim N7US





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[Elecraft] Keyboard for sale

[Greg]

http://www.bella-usa.com/DV/

This is a great keyboard for contesting.  Has a built-in shuttle jog and
other programable keys.  $50 plus shipping.

73
Greg
AB7R
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard for sale

[Ken Alexander]

Looks neat Greg, but does N1MM Logger support the shuttle jog wheel for 
frequency control?

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS


--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote:

 From: Greg a...@cablespeed.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard for sale
 To: n1mmlog...@yahoogroups.com, Elecraft Reflector 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 5:16 PM
 http://www.bella-usa.com/DV/
 
 This is a great keyboard for contesting.  Has a
 built-in shuttle jog and
 other programable keys.  $50 plus shipping.
 
 73
 Greg
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[Julian, G4ILO]

Have you tried using the K3 Utility (or KComm)? If you can send CW with
either of those it will show that the problem must be an HRD issue and not a
fault with the settings of the K3.

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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[vk4cmv]

I have CW (KY Cmd) working with DM780 here - so here's a quick run down of
how I have it set up.

On the K3 side, CW Mode selected (CW REV actually - so that the DM780
waterfall tunes the right way), I have have QSK set, but it will work OK
with Semi.

On the DM780 side, mode is set to CW (KY Cmd) and, quite importantly, the
Break In toggle is set ON - so when you type, the commands are sent to the
K3 straight-away. Just hit the E key when you are inside the text input
window in DM780 and you should get a 'dit' out of the K3.

With the KY Cmd mode it's important to remember that you will be
transmitting at the pitch you have set up in the K3 - so if you want to net
onto another CW signal, say 650Hz, set up the C marker in DM780 on 650Hz and
you will be right.

There are other CW variants in DM780:

If you use the MCW mode, this is done using audio tones, like PSK and RTTY
and I suspect you would need to be in DATA mode to send CW - advise not
going there.

CW - where you can configure a serial/parallel port to key you rig.

CW (Winkey) - which also requires that you configure a port to talk to the
K1EL Winkey box.



I've tried all of these at one time or another and have decided that CW (KY
Cmd) is the answer for me (less clutter on the shack desk).

Send me an email off the forum if you're still having problems.


rgds, Julian VK4CMV
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[Jim Sheldon]

Wondering if the original poster is using HRD Version 4.0 or the Beta 5.0 
version.  I have never been able to get the Production Release 4.0 build  
to work on CW using the KY option with my K3.  I just downloaded and installed 
the Beta version 5.0 and it works exactly as Julian says.

I don't know why V4.0 won't work and haven't bothered to troubleshoot it very 
hard as I operate CW old school with the paddles and receive by ear so I 
don't need or use the decoders either in the programs or the K3 itself.

I do like the option of being able to use the computer's keyboard for sending 
CW as I can certainly KB send CW faster and more cleanly than I can with the 
paddles, especially above 25 wpm.  For CW, Elecraft's K3 Utility program 
terminal works just fine, but for PSK and RTTY, it's better just for testing 
the mode and if you can't type fast enough to keep ahead of the buffer, it 
comes out of transmit.  This sort of negates it for the slow typers using it 
for QSO's, but at least it will run the K3 in native DATA mode

As a do doggone near everything type program, Simon's Ham Radio Deluxe is 
rapidly becoming one of the best available, especially in the free software 
category.  It supports so many different rigs in the CAT control category 
that I'm sure there will always be some bugs in it, but so far the Beta 5.0 and 
the K3 seem to play well together.

I've had my K3 since the day before Christmas and am learning something new 
about it every day so it will probably take me a lot longer than that to get 
HRD and Digital Master figured out (if I ever do).

Jim - W0EB


 I have CW (KY Cmd) working with DM780 here - so here's a quick run
 down of
 how I have it set up.

 On the K3 side, CW Mode selected (CW REV actually - so that the
 DM780
 waterfall tunes the right way), I have have QSK set, but it will
 work OK
 with Semi.

 On the DM780 side, mode is set to CW (KY Cmd) and, quite
 importantly, the
 Break In toggle is set ON - so when you type, the commands are
 sent to the
 K3 straight-away. Just hit the E key when you are inside the text
 input
 window in DM780 and you should get a 'dit' out of the K3.

 With the KY Cmd mode it's important to remember that you will be
 transmitting at the pitch you have set up in the K3 - so if you
 want to net
 onto another CW signal, say 650Hz, set up the C marker in DM780 on
 650Hz and
 you will be right.

 There are other CW variants in DM780:

 If you use the MCW mode, this is done using audio tones, like PSK
 and RTTY
 and I suspect you would need to be in DATA mode to send CW - advise
 not
 going there.

 CW - where you can configure a serial/parallel port to key you rig.

 CW (Winkey) - which also requires that you configure a port to talk
 to the
 K1EL Winkey box.


 I've tried all of these at one time or another and have decided
 that CW (KY
 Cmd) is the answer for me (less clutter on the shack desk).

 Send me an email off the forum if you're still having problems.


 rgds, Julian VK4CMV
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[Sam Morgan]

I finally gave up on HRD 5.0 I was never able to keep it connected to VE7CC's
cluster, It would drop me and then I would have to reconnect and loose all my
settings. HRD doesn't have any options for what you tell the cluster you connect
to, so you must redo it all by hand commands. Other than the cluster problem,
HRD 5.0 was nice as far as the K3's interface.

I have switched to DXLabs, works like it should with the cluster. and it even
allows me to see spots in bands I was not previously watching. It does so much,
just like HRD, that it has a rather steep learning curve, for me, but I'm
getting there.But I'm now using LP Bridge, so I can use PowerSDR-if as well as
DXLabs and many other pgms at one time, best of both worlds, I hardly miss the
prettyness of the HRD K3 interface. I just click on a spot or a place in the
waterfall and bang, the K3 follows obediently changing modes, splits, etc.

Oh and DXLabs also Free, unlike TRX-Manager which I also tried for the demo
period. Had a better K3 interface than DXLabs, but hey maybe thats why they put
buttons and knobs on the face of the K3, hi hi.



GB  73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 2/2/2011 9:53 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:
 Wondering if the original poster is using HRD Version 4.0 or the Beta 5.0
 version.  I have never been able to get the Production Release 4.0 build 
 to work on CW using the KY option with my K3.  I just downloaded and
 installed the Beta version 5.0 and it works exactly as Julian says.

 I don't know why V4.0 won't work and haven't bothered to troubleshoot it very
 hard as I operate CW old school with the paddles and receive by ear so I
 don't need or use the decoders either in the programs or the K3 itself.

 I do like the option of being able to use the computer's keyboard for sending
 CW as I can certainly KB send CW faster and more cleanly than I can with the
 paddles, especially above 25 wpm.  For CW, Elecraft's K3 Utility program
 terminal works just fine, but for PSK and RTTY, it's better just for
 testing the mode and if you can't type fast enough to keep ahead of the
 buffer, it comes out of transmit.  This sort of negates it for the slow
 typers using it for QSO's, but at least it will run the K3 in native DATA
 mode

 As a do doggone near everything type program, Simon's Ham Radio Deluxe is
 rapidly becoming one of the best available, especially in the free software
 category.  It supports so many different rigs in the CAT control category
 that I'm sure there will always be some bugs in it, but so far the Beta 5.0
 and the K3 seem to play well together.

 I've had my K3 since the day before Christmas and am learning something new
 about it every day so it will probably take me a lot longer than that to get
 HRD and Digital Master figured out (if I ever do).

 Jim - W0EB

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[Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[John Santillo]

OK guys I've tried everything to no avail.  The DM780 demodulates CW, PSK,
etc fine and I can get the frequency readout and all the K3 button are
displayed 
on DM780 but I just can't get the Keyboard CW to work.  I did program
the M1-M4 memories on the K3 and was able to activate them from DM780.  I
have DM780 connected to HRD via the IP server.  I also have DM780 set
to CW(KY Command).  I've tried VOX, Data A, PSK D and Line-In via the Menu
Button but no luck.  How do I set the K3 and/or the HRD/DM780 to get
Keyboard 
CW to work?  
 
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
 
73,
 
John
N2HMM
S/N 5033
 
 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[Don Wilhelm]

  John,

Have you tried setting the K3 to CW mode?  DM780 sends KY commands over 
the RS-232 interface, and the K3 does not know how to respond to them 
unless it is in CW mode.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/1/2011 8:33 PM, John Santillo wrote:
 OK guys I've tried everything to no avail.  The DM780 demodulates CW, PSK,
 etc fine and I can get the frequency readout and all the K3 button are
 displayed
 on DM780 but I just can't get the Keyboard CW to work.  I did program
 the M1-M4 memories on the K3 and was able to activate them from DM780.  I
 have DM780 connected to HRD via the IP server.  I also have DM780 set
 to CW(KY Command).  I've tried VOX, Data A, PSK D and Line-In via the Menu
 Button but no luck.  How do I set the K3 and/or the HRD/DM780 to get
 Keyboard
 CW to work?

 Any suggestions would be appreciated.


 73,

 John
 N2HMM
 S/N 5033





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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

[John Santillo]

Yes, I have the radio in CW mode.

John


-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:49 PM
To: John Santillo
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

  John,

Have you tried setting the K3 to CW mode?  DM780 sends KY commands over 
the RS-232 interface, and the K3 does not know how to respond to them 
unless it is in CW mode.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/1/2011 8:33 PM, John Santillo wrote:
 OK guys I've tried everything to no avail.  The DM780 demodulates CW, PSK,
 etc fine and I can get the frequency readout and all the K3 button are
 displayed
 on DM780 but I just can't get the Keyboard CW to work.  I did program
 the M1-M4 memories on the K3 and was able to activate them from DM780.  I
 have DM780 connected to HRD via the IP server.  I also have DM780 set
 to CW(KY Command).  I've tried VOX, Data A, PSK D and Line-In via the Menu
 Button but no luck.  How do I set the K3 and/or the HRD/DM780 to get
 Keyboard
 CW to work?

 Any suggestions would be appreciated.


 73,

 John
 N2HMM
 S/N 5033





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[Elecraft] keyboard operation

[bruce bennett]

Seems I recall that a provision for operating a
keyboard directly with the k3 would happen. No
computer necessary. Was I correct? 
K2pdj k3 187
  k2 3089


  

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RE: [Elecraft] keyboard operation

[garyhvizdak]

On Thu Mar 27 2008 at 15:11:50 Bruce Bennett (K2pdj) wrote ...

Seems I recall that a provision for operating a
keyboard directly with the k3 would happen. No
computer necessary. Was I correct? 

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Eric indicated off Reflector that the FAQ was incorrect.  He has since 
removed that capability from the FAQ.

73
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Re: [Elecraft] keyboard operation

[G4ILO]

bruce bennett wrote:
 
 Seems I recall that a provision for operating a
 keyboard directly with the k3 would happen. No
 computer necessary. Was I correct? 
 
No. It was speculation folllowing a suggestion from Wayne very early on that
this *might* be an application of the engineering test connector below the
front panel. It has never been confirmed as a feature so I think we must
assume it will never happen until given firm evidence that they are
considering it.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
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[Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Ken Kopp]

Does anyone recognize the small keyboard shown
in the recent Yaesu ads?

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Yep, it's a Happy Hacking Keyboard - they do both PS2 and USB versions - I
have a HH KB Lite 2 - USB version -  I love it

http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeylit1.html

Looks like they may no longer make the PS2 version


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 in the recent Yaesu ads?
 
 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Nick Lidakis]

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Yep, it's a Happy Hacking Keyboard - they do both PS2 and USB versions - I
have a HH KB Lite 2 - USB version -  I love it

http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeylit1.html

Looks like they may no longer make the PS2 version



I can confirm this. I have been using the PS/2 version for years. They 
are most excellent, especially if you are a Linux user. The control key 
is where is where it should be, replacing the CAPS LOCK key.


Nick N2SVT
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Phil Kane]

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:28:12 -0500, Nick Lidakis wrote:

 I can confirm this. I have been using the PS/2 version for years.
 They are most excellent, especially if you are a Linux user. The
 control key is where is where it should be, replacing the CAPS
 LOCK key.

  Ah yes,  but the F-keys are not on the left hand side of the
  keyboard where THEY should be!

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   Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
   (Northgate Keyboard User)



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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[AE4CW]

I'm a fan of small keyboards and have used a small IBM keyboard for years. 
It's no longer made, but the closest current product is here:
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38Code=31P9490current-category-id=E9ADAEB6787146E29B78400A33E7FE8A
Obviously, it bigger than the keyboard you asked about but has the advantage
of a touchpad/trackpoint mouse interface in a compact footprint.


Ken Kopp wrote:
 
 Does anyone recognize the small keyboard shown
 in the recent Yaesu ads?
 
 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
 
 
 


-
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Nick Lidakis]

Thom LaCosta wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Phil Kane wrote:


On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:28:12 -0500, Nick Lidakis wrote:


I can confirm this. I have been using the PS/2 version for years.
They are most excellent, especially if you are a Linux user. The
control key is where is where it should be, replacing the CAPS
LOCK key.


 Ah yes,  but the F-keys are not on the left hand side of the
 keyboard where THEY should be!


Wowyou mean because I use windows that I have keys where they should 
not be?


Oh my, and if I got a keyboard with keys in the correct position, I 
would have a learning curve event


Thank goodness OS-Centric bias doesn't spill over into religion or 
politics, or does it?


Honestly, are you trying to be a troll? Because that's how your reply 
comes off as. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, so anyway...


I never implied that this particular keyboard had anything to do with 
one's operating system preferences. If you read PFU's website, you'll 
read that these keyboards were designed with UNIX users in mind. And if 
you read Wikipedia article on Caps Lock (or just do a Google search) you 
might read that the Caps Lock really is depreciated no matter what OS 
you use.




Nick N2SVT


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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Alan Bloom]

On every keyboard I own (both PC and Linux computers), the CAPS LOCK key
has been removed so I don't keep hitting it by accident.

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 12:15, Nick Lidakis wrote:
 Thom LaCosta wrote:
  On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Phil Kane wrote:
  
  On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:28:12 -0500, Nick Lidakis wrote:
 
  I can confirm this. I have been using the PS/2 version for years.
  They are most excellent, especially if you are a Linux user. The
  control key is where is where it should be, replacing the CAPS
  LOCK key.
 
   Ah yes,  but the F-keys are not on the left hand side of the
   keyboard where THEY should be!
  
  Wowyou mean because I use windows that I have keys where they should 
  not be?
  
  Oh my, and if I got a keyboard with keys in the correct position, I 
  would have a learning curve event
  
  Thank goodness OS-Centric bias doesn't spill over into religion or 
  politics, or does it?
 
 Honestly, are you trying to be a troll? Because that's how your reply 
 comes off as. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, so anyway...
 
 I never implied that this particular keyboard had anything to do with 
 one's operating system preferences. If you read PFU's website, you'll 
 read that these keyboards were designed with UNIX users in mind. And if 
 you read Wikipedia article on Caps Lock (or just do a Google search) you 
 might read that the Caps Lock really is depreciated no matter what OS 
 you use.
 
 
 
 Nick N2SVT
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Thom LaCosta]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Alan Bloom wrote:


On every keyboard I own (both PC and Linux computers), the CAPS LOCK key
has been removed so I don't keep hitting it by accident.


I look to see if the idiot caps lock light is on//it's much easier than screwing 
around with the keyboardand doesn't lull me into a false sense of security 
since I visit many different sites(keyboards) every week.



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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard identity

[Ian White GM3SEK]

Alan Bloom wrote:
On every keyboard I own (both PC and Linux computers), the CAPS LOCK 
key has been removed so I don't keep hitting it by accident.


A useful tip is to pack underneath the edges of the CAPS LOCK keycap 
with one or two layers of sticky foam fixer pads. Use enough stiff foam 
to prevent the key from operating unless you really do mean it.


An unexpected benefit was that the 'solid' feel of the modified CAPS 
LOCK key has trained me to avoid that key on unmodified keyboards too.



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73 from Ian GM3SEK
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[Elecraft] Keyboard Connector

[Michael Koetje]

Has there been anything announced in reference to the keyboard or connector
that will be used for the digital modes? I am wondering if there has been a
decision made as to what type or make of keyboard will be necessary to
utilize these functions. Will this be an accessory offered by Elecraft?

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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Robert Tellefsen]

Hi Ken
I have one that might be what you are looking for.
I use it with TR LOG here.
The mfr is BTC, and I think the model is 5100-C.
It has no numeric key pad.  It has 10 F keys.
Width is 11.75 inches by 6 inches deep.
Really fits well on my small operating desk.
It has foldup legs at the rear to raise the back
a bit for a more comfortable typing angle.
It was quite inexpensive, as I recall.  Maybe
something around $20 at my local computer
store.
Good luck and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard question


 Can someone aim me at a small keyboard?  I realize that small
 is relative, so let's say something that's appropiate for my K3.  
 Something on the order of a small laptop keyboard in a housing.
 
 I've walked the isles of a few computer departments scanning the 
 shelves, asked sales folks and haven't found anything.
 
 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] Keyboard question - Thanks all!

[Ken Kopp]

Thank you all that responded with suggestions for a
small keyboard.  Lotsa knowledge and info out there!

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Mark J. Schreiner]

Maybe a bit larger than you are looking for, but we had some at work 
that were tossed aside when they were delivered with new Agilent Digital 
Communications Analyzers.  I thought they were a very nice size, just 
enough keys, not too many, etc.  Must have really been a standard size 
Agilent had procured elsewhere, obviously.


Mark, NK8Q

Ken Kopp wrote:

Can someone aim me at a small keyboard?  I realize that small
is relative, so let's say something that's appropiate for my K3.  
Something on the order of a small laptop keyboard in a housing.


I've walked the isles of a few computer departments scanning the 
shelves, asked sales folks and haven't found anything.


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Ken Kopp]

Can someone aim me at a small keyboard?  I realize that small
is relative, so let's say something that's appropiate for my K3.  
Something on the order of a small laptop keyboard in a housing.


I've walked the isles of a few computer departments scanning the 
shelves, asked sales folks and haven't found anything.


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Ward Willats]

At 3:24 AM + 5/16/07, Ken Kopp wrote:

Can someone aim me at a small keyboard?  I realize that small
is relative, so let's say something that's appropiate for my K3. 
Something on the order of a small laptop keyboard in a housing.


I like the Happy Hacker keyboards but it may be a bit pricey for this.

cybergys.com sells a generic black mini ps/2 keyboard for $25 or 
so. Also good.


-- Ward / KG6HAF
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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Larry]

Maybe something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823166018


73
Larry
WA2DGD



Ken Kopp wrote:

Can someone aim me at a small keyboard?  I realize that small
is relative, so let's say something that's appropiate for my K3.  
Something on the order of a small laptop keyboard in a housing.


I've walked the isles of a few computer departments scanning the 
shelves, asked sales folks and haven't found anything.


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard question

[Brian Lloyd]

On May 15, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Ken Kopp wrote:


Can someone aim me at a small keyboard?  I realize that small
is relative, so let's say something that's appropiate for my K3.   
Something on the order of a small laptop keyboard in a housing.


Do a search on Google for compact computer keyboard.


73 de Brian, WB6RQN
Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com


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