Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on Commercial Airplane
Hi all, Am 26.06.22 um 23:38 schrieb Michael Parsons: I fly constantly and have been taking my KX2 with me every single time for the last year. I also currently carry an IC-705 with its battery and two additional Bioenno 4.5ah batteries all as carryons. I fly around 50 times a year and never have been stopped or searched other than the general X-ray machine as per usual flying TSA requirements. It’s just fine to take that with you as a carry on. I can fully agree and confirm this! My daughter studies in Tel Aviv and everytime I am going to visit here, I take my KX2 with me. Even with El Al there is no issue at all to take it on board as carry on. The ONLY issue I have... my backpack used as carry-on contains the KX2, a X230 Laptop, a Kindle and my D300 (incl. 16-85mm lens)... this needs to be unpacked before and packed again after the x-ray machine... and it is quite heavy ;-) Mike (K0FYR) Ham-Solo 73 es 55 de Thorsten (DH4FT) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
I've been a member of aviation standards committees, and the quality of the members is similar. The best engineers from multiple companies come together, along with hundreds of years of combined experience. The battery standards committee was across the hall from ours one time. Theirs was much more heated. These standards are indeed there for a reason, and based on real world experience. People from the NTSB, Transport Canada, and similar agencies also attend. They have investigated many accidents and want to make sure what went wrong and killed people does not happen again. They, in my experience, are some of the sharpest people I have met and worked with. I had long talks with the folks that investigated Swissair 111. That is one reason I am so careful with electrical installations, at home and even in our RV, which has 400 Ah of LifePO4s under where we sleep. I believe that about a 20 Ah LiFePO4 is about the largest that can be put in your carryon. I have several smaller ones. One advantage to having batteries in your carryon is that you will not be selected to put the carryon in the luggage compartment if the overheads are full. Tell them there are lithium batteries in there and they will select other luggage. 73, Mark W7MLG On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 2:29 AM Jim Brown wrote: > On 6/28/2022 1:46 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote: > > And if you feel otherwise and know it all better - it's a free world and > > everyone has an opinion! - then I kindly ask you to identify what flight > > you will be on so I will take the next flight, thank you. > > All of your post is well said, Jan. We have the right to our opinion, > but we don't have the right to endanger others by acting out on the > basis of our ignorance. > > For nearly 40 I've been a member of the Standards Committee of the > Audio Engineering Society, and lead author our Standards on EMC. I can > report that all of our Standards are based on Applied Science, and the > result of serious engineers who are practitioners in a broad range of > pro audio -- broadcast, recording, live sound -- all with a solid > engineering grounding. Those lacking that background, or with "an > agenda," or to be unwilling to yield to others who know more about an > issue, are quickly sent to the back benches. And all of us have an > excellent BS filter. The goal is simple -- write Standards that make > systems WORK, in the REAL WORLD. > > One of the things that design professionals from different engineering > disciplines do in design meetings is play "what if" scenarios to > evaluate design decisions. A prime example in the real world I've often > cited is, the design team of the Fukushima nuclear reactor failing to > ask, or failing to have the imagination or education to come up with > possible answers to the question, "What Could Possibly Go Wrong With > Putting Emergency Power Generators in the basement?" In 2011, Mother > Nature answered rather emphatically that question that should have been > asked or satisfactorily resolved, but wasn't. Note that this is an > example to prove a concept, not an "attack" on anyone. I've been in lots > of design meetings, and ain't nobody perfect. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marklgoldb...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
I plan to take a 3AH (36WH) LiFePO4 battery on an international flight (to HC5) in a few weeks. To conform with the FAA's regs (link below), I'll have the Anderson power-pole end & the charging jack sealed with tape. Seems simple enough - I'll post here if there are any problems. https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/more_info/?hazmat=7 John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
On 6/28/2022 1:46 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote: And if you feel otherwise and know it all better - it's a free world and everyone has an opinion! - then I kindly ask you to identify what flight you will be on so I will take the next flight, thank you. All of your post is well said, Jan. We have the right to our opinion, but we don't have the right to endanger others by acting out on the basis of our ignorance. For nearly 40 I've been a member of the Standards Committee of the Audio Engineering Society, and lead author our Standards on EMC. I can report that all of our Standards are based on Applied Science, and the result of serious engineers who are practitioners in a broad range of pro audio -- broadcast, recording, live sound -- all with a solid engineering grounding. Those lacking that background, or with "an agenda," or to be unwilling to yield to others who know more about an issue, are quickly sent to the back benches. And all of us have an excellent BS filter. The goal is simple -- write Standards that make systems WORK, in the REAL WORLD. One of the things that design professionals from different engineering disciplines do in design meetings is play "what if" scenarios to evaluate design decisions. A prime example in the real world I've often cited is, the design team of the Fukushima nuclear reactor failing to ask, or failing to have the imagination or education to come up with possible answers to the question, "What Could Possibly Go Wrong With Putting Emergency Power Generators in the basement?" In 2011, Mother Nature answered rather emphatically that question that should have been asked or satisfactorily resolved, but wasn't. Note that this is an example to prove a concept, not an "attack" on anyone. I've been in lots of design meetings, and ain't nobody perfect. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
I tried telling the TSA guy a little box of electronics and such was for my hearing aid. He thought I was spoofing him and called his supervisor when he asked if it received Fox News, and I said not in my house. I explained it was the Bluetooth gear for broadcasting TV audio into the earpiece. A little demo for the TSA folks was cordial but I almost missed the flight. One step for man, a giant step for mankind. There are restrictions on LiPo batteries for a reason. Restrictions on maximal capacity of the battery and how the battery is packed - inside a radio OK, loose not OK. I am pretty sure the KX2 with built-in cells is OK since these can be sent unrestricted in mail. The Bienno may or may not be - bigger capacity, loose battery, and the cells are only protected by plastic foil. If the cells get crushed in your carry bag, what happens? If you've ever had a LiPo go rogue on you you will understand why TSA has issue with the possibility of LiPo incidents inside a metal tube you cannot step out of. We as hams may "know it better" but the fact of the matter is that the TSA rules are there to keep flights safe. Trying to play them by telling them a lie is dishonest, dangerous and perhaps even illegal. *If* you know better, you should assist TSA in managing the risk, not lie to them, even if that means that you cannot carry the battery you want to carry. I've carried some pretty interesting stuff over the years and always did so fully open. It has raised issues, there has been cases where a manager needed to get involved, but on a proper trip this was all prepared in advance (by asking the airline, not a mailing list) and everyone was happy with the approach and the preparation taken. I also found people to be pretty accommodating if asked correctly. And if you feel otherwise and know it all better - it's a free world and everyone has an opinion! - then I kindly ask you to identify what flight you will be on so I will take the next flight, thank you. 73, Geert Jan PE1HZG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
Skip, I tried telling the TSA guy a little box of electronics and such was for my hearing aid. He thought I was spoofing him and called his supervisor when he asked if it received Fox News, and I said not in my house. I explained it was the Bluetooth gear for broadcasting TV audio into the earpiece. A little demo for the TSA folks was cordial but I almost missed the flight. One step for man, a giant step for mankind. Ed McCann AG6CX > On Jun 27, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft > wrote: > > Bill I haven’t had any problems with having my KX2 in my carry on bag, even > with mic and headset along with other interconnecting wires. On my last trip > I got flagged because of all the gear. While explaining to the TSA agent > about ham radio I actually powered up the KX2 and showed him how it worked, > he thought it was pretty neat. > By the way it wasn’t the KX2 they wanted to checkout it was something else. > > Skip Davis, NC9O > Sent from my iPhone > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to edwmcc...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
Bill I haven’t had any problems with having my KX2 in my carry on bag, even with mic and headset along with other interconnecting wires. On my last trip I got flagged because of all the gear. While explaining to the TSA agent about ham radio I actually powered up the KX2 and showed him how it worked, he thought it was pretty neat. By the way it wasn’t the KX2 they wanted to checkout it was something else. Skip Davis, NC9O Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX2 on Commercial Airplane
I fly constantly and have been taking my KX2 with me every single time for the last year. I also currently carry an IC-705 with its battery and two additional Bioenno 4.5ah batteries all as carryons. I fly around 50 times a year and never have been stopped or searched other than the general X-ray machine as per usual flying TSA requirements. It’s just fine to take that with you as a carry on. Mike (K0FYR) Ham-Solo __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
Here's the FAA link:https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/more_info/?hazmat=773,Gary K9GS Original message From: Bill Lederer Date: 6/24/22 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane Team:Is it possible to take as carryon the KX2 with lithium battery installed?I know it is not allowed in non-carryon baggage.-- --w8lvn--__Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to k...@gjschwartz.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane
Team: Is it possible to take as carryon the KX2 with lithium battery installed? I know it is not allowed in non-carryon baggage. -- --w8lvn-- __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
