Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-17 Thread dmoes 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-17 Thread dmoes 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-17 Thread Jerry Moore 
I'd love to hear from Elecraft on this. It might be that the current hardware 
has reached its limits or they aren't sure how to support it. 
Based on the keyboard limitations I'd expect to require additional hardware 
just for the myriad driver software requirements. 
One thought I had was using a COTS (common off the shelf) microcontroller board 
(like the raspberry pi or such) as an interface board. The MC (microcontroller) 
could run open source linux to support the largest variety of drivers/keyboard 
setups while also providing robust I/O for the K3/P3 in addition to being able 
to be used as either just an interface or a complete station running logging, 
keyer, digitial modes..etc... which is basically what many of us currently do. 
What I've not looked into is interfacing the P3 with outputs from the MC to 
mimic the rotary dial functions. Depending on the P3 screen type it may even be 
possible to add an INPUT to the P3 to allow the P3 screen to display the MC 
console/screen. 

I don't have the time or gear to look at this further. It's just an idea that 
would require some re-engineering of the P3 potentially. Heck I could see 
adding the MC inside the P3 case directly. 
Just randome thoughts. 
Jer

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Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:52 PM
To: Jim Cox <jcox...@bellsouth.net>
Cc: elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

I also would agree with this suggestion for a mouse function to the P3 for ease 
of QSY. The marker/dial and tap (push) button function on the P3 is OK for 
casual QSYing. But in a contest situation, especially CW, pointing and clicking 
on a signal would be much faster and I would think far more accurate. I know I 
would use this a lot. 
I thought I read another post earlier that from a firmware standpoint it would 
require some additional lines of firmware. If that's the case, sounds like a 
relatively quick enhancement? 
  
73 Gene, N9TF 

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"Jim Cox" jcox...@bellsouth.net 

I fully agree, a mouse click qsy would be wonderful, been waiting for this for 
over a year now..  Jim K4JAF 


-Original Message- 
From: Dauer, Edward 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:58 AM 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion 

I too would like to see a mouse click QSY, for reasons others have mentioned 
plus one.  It would be far faster, and it could be more accurate.  The knob 
on mine is cruder than the K3's own encoder, requiring a bit of fiddling to 
get it right on.  In addition, when I press the knob sometimes the whole P3 
moves backwards.  I suppose I could strap a brick on top, but a wireless 
mouse would look better. 

Ted, KN1CBR 


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-17 Thread Jeff 

Sign me up...

73 Jeff kb2m

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Add me to the list.



73, Bill, K8TE



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I fully agree, a mouse click qsy would be wonderful, been waiting for this 
for over a year now..  Jim K4JAF

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Mader 
Add me to the list.

 

73, Bill, K8TE

 

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:50:29 -0600 
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To: "Dauer, Edward" <eda...@law.du.edu <mailto:eda...@law.du.edu> >,
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I fully agree, a mouse click qsy would be wonderful, been waiting for this 
for over a year now..  Jim K4JAF

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-15 Thread n9tf 
I also would agree with this suggestion for a mouse function to the P3 for ease 
of QSY. The marker/dial and tap (push) button function on the P3 is OK for 
casual QSYing. But in a contest situation, especially CW, pointing and clicking 
on a signal would be much faster and I would think far more accurate. I know I 
would use this a lot. 
I thought I read another post earlier that from a firmware standpoint it would 
require some additional lines of firmware. If that's the case, sounds like a 
relatively quick enhancement? 
  
73 Gene, N9TF 

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I fully agree, a mouse click qsy would be wonderful, been waiting for this 
for over a year now..  Jim K4JAF 


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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion 

I too would like to see a mouse click QSY, for reasons others have mentioned 
plus one.  It would be far faster, and it could be more accurate.  The knob 
on mine is cruder than the K3's own encoder, requiring a bit of fiddling to 
get it right on.  In addition, when I press the knob sometimes the whole P3 
moves backwards.  I suppose I could strap a brick on top, but a wireless 
mouse would look better. 

Ted, KN1CBR 


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-15 Thread Jim Cox 
I fully agree, a mouse click qsy would be wonderful, been waiting for this 
for over a year now..  Jim K4JAF



-Original Message- 
From: Dauer, Edward

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:58 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

I too would like to see a mouse click QSY, for reasons others have mentioned 
plus one.  It would be far faster, and it could be more accurate.  The knob 
on mine is cruder than the K3's own encoder, requiring a bit of fiddling to 
get it right on.  In addition, when I press the knob sometimes the whole P3 
moves backwards.  I suppose I could strap a brick on top, but a wireless 
mouse would look better.


Ted, KN1CBR


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[Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-15 Thread Dauer, Edward 
I too would like to see a mouse click QSY, for reasons others have mentioned 
plus one.  It would be far faster, and it could be more accurate.  The knob on 
mine is cruder than the K3's own encoder, requiring a bit of fiddling to get it 
right on.  In addition, when I press the knob sometimes the whole P3 moves 
backwards.  I suppose I could strap a brick on top, but a wireless mouse would 
look better.

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-15 Thread Dave Fugleberg 
Yeah after hitting send on the original post, I had the same thought about
HDMI instead of SVGA. Absolutely.
I also thought about the touch screen idea, but that's readily handled by a
touch screen with mouse emulation.
I think my biggest problem with the concept that I haven't completely
thought through is the fact that now I'd have TWO mice next to my keyboard,
in addition to the paddles and maybe someday a kpod. It's getting crowded
and with two mice, my chances of grabbing the wrong one would be
approaching 90%...
I'm willing to live with it :)
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:38 AM Charlie T, K3ICH <pin...@erols.com> wrote:

> Curiously, this suggested black box version of the P3 is exactly what I was
> hoping for when the concept of a P3 was announced (leaked??)
>
> The only time I even LOOK at the P3 screen itself is to occasionally glance
> at my transmitted envelope.
> I use its button controls but could do without the actual P3 screen,
> assuming all the info was displayed on the external monitor.
>
> And a big "heyull yes" for the HDMI output, maybe even 4K format too if the
> processing can handle it???
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill
> Frantz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:16 AM
> To: Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <kf5...@wickedbeernut.com>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion
>
> There are some really nice 12V HDMI/VGA/NTSC/PAL screens available. For
> example: <https://www.adafruit.com/products/1287>
> and <https://www.adafruit.com/products/1667>.
>
> I like HDMI because it carries audio and video. YMMV.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-15 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH 
Curiously, this suggested black box version of the P3 is exactly what I was
hoping for when the concept of a P3 was announced (leaked??)

The only time I even LOOK at the P3 screen itself is to occasionally glance
at my transmitted envelope.
I use its button controls but could do without the actual P3 screen,
assuming all the info was displayed on the external monitor.

And a big "heyull yes" for the HDMI output, maybe even 4K format too if the
processing can handle it???

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Frantz
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:16 AM
To: Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <kf5...@wickedbeernut.com>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

There are some really nice 12V HDMI/VGA/NTSC/PAL screens available. For
example: <https://www.adafruit.com/products/1287>
and <https://www.adafruit.com/products/1667>.

I like HDMI because it carries audio and video. YMMV.

73 Bill AE6JV



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-14 Thread Bill Frantz 
There are some really nice 12V HDMI/VGA/NTSC/PAL screens 
available. For example:  
and .


I like HDMI because it carries audio and video. YMMV.

73 Bill AE6JV


On 2/14/17 at 9:28 PM, kf5...@wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone 
(KF5WBO)) wrote:



Wouldn't you prefer an HDMI output?  SVGA must be 30 years old.  I was
working for IBM at the time it was defined.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-14 Thread Tim Tucker 
I'd go for something like this.  The problem I have with the P3 is that
it's a great concept packaged in a pre-2010 UX and we're encroaching on the
year 2020.  .  One tweak to the suggestion:  It's shouldn't be VGA out -
that standard and associated video resolution is dead as dead can be. It
needs to be stepped up to a modern video monitor interface and resolutions

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <
kf5...@wickedbeernut.com> wrote:

>
> There's tremendous commonality between the P3 and PX3 code base.  The same
> will be true for your P3x.  Mouse support is trivial.  I'd simply push for
> mouse support in conjunction with the P3 / PX3.  You'll get it for "free"
> with your P3x.
>
> Support for a gaming mouse is more involved.  All of the keyboards
> supported
> by the P3 / PX3 share a common HID report.  I'd expect the same to be true
> for the supported mice.  A gaming mouse will have an  extended HID
> descriptor and report.  I don't envision a gaming mouse being supported.
>
> Wouldn't you prefer an HDMI output?  SVGA must be 30 years old.  I was
> working for IBM at the time it was defined.
>
> Joe
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-14 Thread Joe Stone (KF5WBO) 

There's tremendous commonality between the P3 and PX3 code base.  The same
will be true for your P3x.  Mouse support is trivial.  I'd simply push for
mouse support in conjunction with the P3 / PX3.  You'll get it for "free"
with your P3x.

Support for a gaming mouse is more involved.  All of the keyboards supported
by the P3 / PX3 share a common HID report.  I'd expect the same to be true
for the supported mice.  A gaming mouse will have an  extended HID
descriptor and report.  I don't envision a gaming mouse being supported.  

Wouldn't you prefer an HDMI output?  SVGA must be 30 years old.  I was
working for IBM at the time it was defined.

Joe
KF5WBO



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-14 Thread David Orman 
This would be quite nice. Add better than SVGA resolution and now we're
cooking with gas. Touchscreen monitor support would be the bee's knee's.

As for the integrated version, maybe we will see that in a K4 or whatever
the next radio iteration is called? I would definitely be interested!

On Feb 14, 2017 22:06, "Dave Fugleberg"  wrote:

> The recent thread titled "P3 Point and Click" got me thinking...
> I have a base model P3 (no VGA board or TX monitor). I really like how
> smoothly it integrates with the K3. It has replaced the Softrock and
> software panadapter that I had been using, with much less complexity- it
> just works.
>
> However, I do sometimes get frustrated with the 'twist and tap to QSY' user
> interface. It is far too easy to accidentally rotate the knob in the
> process of tapping it, and making a large excursion in frequency takes much
> longer than a mouse point/click would.
>
> My humble suggestion/wish would be for a whole new alternative product -
> let's call it the P3x. The P3x would be a small box with IF in, VGA Out,
> serial in/out, and a USB port for a mouse.  The user could supply their own
> monitor in a size of their choice. It would basically be the same
> electronics as the P3, but without the screen, controls, and big (mostly
> empty) case.
>
> All the normal P3 controls would be replaced by on-screen buttons with
> dropdown menus where appropriate to set parameters like SPAN, etc. Perhaps
> the mouse wheel could be incorporated in place of the knob for adjustments
> like REF LVL. Of course, "Point and Click QSY" would be supported.
>
> For extra credit, support for a 'gaming mouse' could be included (one of
> those mice that has several additional configurable buttons) to support the
> standard P3 buttons for those who prefer tactile buttons over clicking
> on-screen controls.
>
> To me, this would be a great alternative to the current P3, as it provides
> the same excellent integration with the K-line, plus the choice of display
> size AND mouse support.  I suspect that many ops who add the SVGA option to
> their P3 do so simply for the larger screen, which makes the P3's own
> screen redundant anyhow. It also seems odd to me to reach for the P3
> controls while looking at the external monitor, so having the controls
> integrated on screen with mouse control would be more natural.
>
> While I'm dreaming, I'd also like it available as a P3i - same as the P3x,
> but built as an internal option for the K3/K3s. OK, I have no idea where
> that could fit in a fully loaded K3/K3s, but this is only a dream, after
> all...
>
> So, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this would be a great addition to the
> product lineup...but there's my idea. No need to pay me royalties, but I'd
> like SN 001 please :)
>
> 73 de W0ZF
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[Elecraft] P3 Product suggestion

2017-02-14 Thread Dave Fugleberg 
The recent thread titled "P3 Point and Click" got me thinking...
I have a base model P3 (no VGA board or TX monitor). I really like how
smoothly it integrates with the K3. It has replaced the Softrock and
software panadapter that I had been using, with much less complexity- it
just works.

However, I do sometimes get frustrated with the 'twist and tap to QSY' user
interface. It is far too easy to accidentally rotate the knob in the
process of tapping it, and making a large excursion in frequency takes much
longer than a mouse point/click would.

My humble suggestion/wish would be for a whole new alternative product -
let's call it the P3x. The P3x would be a small box with IF in, VGA Out,
serial in/out, and a USB port for a mouse.  The user could supply their own
monitor in a size of their choice. It would basically be the same
electronics as the P3, but without the screen, controls, and big (mostly
empty) case.

All the normal P3 controls would be replaced by on-screen buttons with
dropdown menus where appropriate to set parameters like SPAN, etc. Perhaps
the mouse wheel could be incorporated in place of the knob for adjustments
like REF LVL. Of course, "Point and Click QSY" would be supported.

For extra credit, support for a 'gaming mouse' could be included (one of
those mice that has several additional configurable buttons) to support the
standard P3 buttons for those who prefer tactile buttons over clicking
on-screen controls.

To me, this would be a great alternative to the current P3, as it provides
the same excellent integration with the K-line, plus the choice of display
size AND mouse support.  I suspect that many ops who add the SVGA option to
their P3 do so simply for the larger screen, which makes the P3's own
screen redundant anyhow. It also seems odd to me to reach for the P3
controls while looking at the external monitor, so having the controls
integrated on screen with mouse control would be more natural.

While I'm dreaming, I'd also like it available as a P3i - same as the P3x,
but built as an internal option for the K3/K3s. OK, I have no idea where
that could fit in a fully loaded K3/K3s, but this is only a dream, after
all...

So, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this would be a great addition to the
product lineup...but there's my idea. No need to pay me royalties, but I'd
like SN 001 please :)

73 de W0ZF
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