Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 

Cut and paste got me - corrected text below.

On 10/12/2016 3:55 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
In the interest of reducing list email overload for others, let's wind down 
the OT 'PL-259' posts now and close the thread.


73,
Eric
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On 10/12/2016 11:05 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
The Amphenol part number is 83-1SP (with nothing after that part number) for 
silver plated, not gold center (for which I see no value). I buy in 100-piece 
quantity from industrial vendors like Newark and Allied, sharing my order 
with other hams. The last time I bought (a year or two ago) I paid a bit more 
than $3.




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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-12 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
In the interest of reducing list email overload for others, let's wind down the 
OT 'Windows Emulator' posts now and close the thread.


73,
Eric
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On 10/12/2016 11:05 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
The Amphenol part number is 83-1SP (with nothing after that part number) for 
silver plated, not gold center (for which I see no value). I buy in 100-piece 
quantity from industrial vendors like Newark and Allied, sharing my order with 
other hams. The last time I bought (a year or two ago) I paid a bit more than $3.


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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-12 Thread Jim Brown 
The Amphenol part number is 83-1SP (with nothing after that part number) 
for silver plated, not gold center (for which I see no value). I buy in 
100-piece quantity from industrial vendors like Newark and Allied, 
sharing my order with other hams. The last time I bought (a year or two 
ago) I paid a bit more than $3.


73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,10/12/2016 10:27 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
I now use Amphenol PL-259's or "UHF male" sliver-plated connectors 
with gold-plated center pins and PFTE insulation from "Dave's Hobby 
Shop" #721405422210 ...$4.95.


I am buying almost all my connectors from Dave's: 
http://www.daveshobbyshop.com/
Quite often at a savings in price and very rapid shipping. 



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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-12 Thread Edward R Cole 
I now use Amphenol PL-259's or "UHF male" sliver-plated connectors 
with gold-plated center pins and PFTE insulation from "Dave's Hobby 
Shop" #721405422210 ...$4.95.


I am buying almost all my connectors from Dave's: 
http://www.daveshobbyshop.com/

Quite often at a savings in price and very rapid shipping.

Another comment on elbow adapters:  I initially used a gold-plated 
sma male elbow on the 2m connection for my KX3 wondering why output 
was low.  I switched to using a short run of .141 rigid coax with sma 
connectors and get less loss.  Elbow adaptors of any type (even 
N-connectors) can be lossy.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread Eric J 
Even more ironic if it was a Chinese company you never heard of.

Eric KE6US

On 10/11/2016 6:42 PM, W1GO (Joe) wrote:

Who do we think makes the DX Engineering connectors that are so loved?   DX 
doesn't manufacture them; they are private labeled by another manufacturer.  
Wouldn't it be ironic if it was Amphenol? Hi Hi.

Joe
W1GO



On Oct 11, 2016, at 20:00, Gary K9GS 
 wrote:

Hi Mark,

I have had very good results using the DX Engineering brand PL259's (solder 
type).

I have also heard from people I know and trust that the new "Next Generation" 
crimp connectors from DXE are excellent.  I look forward to trying them out 
when my current supply of Amphenol crimp connectors needs replenishment.





On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Mark Tosiello wrote:
HI,

I to have always used only Amphenol connectors. However, this year, in
putting up another Gap Challenger, I am using a DXE pl259 at the antenna
coax end. DXE connectors have worked well for me in the past in another
application, are silver plated brass and the dialectric is PTFE. I've
spoken to many hams who have had good results with them. I'm not affiliated
with DXE in any way, just a satisfied customer. Anyone else use DXE PL259s?

Mark KD8EDC



On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Keith Hutt 
 wrote:

Got to agree i only use Amphenol connectors, expensive in the UK but well
worth the extra money.

But i get mine when i am visiting Dayton, so a lot cheaper

Regards

Keith G0TSH






On Tue,10/11/2016 6:29 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
I'm curious as to exactly why a "junk" connector supposedly has so much


more loss than a "good" connector?

Junk connectors have several issues. One of the issues is control of
dimensions -- the diameter of the tip must be "right" to make a solid
and reliable connection to the mating connector. I've seen junk barrels,
tees, and elbows that had a tiny spring between the ends of the connector.

When I got back on the air in 2003, I stocked my "junk box" with a lot
of these cheap connector adapters at ham flea markets, and over the next
3-5 years, they caused outright failures and intermittent problems that
were difficult to track down. At one point, I had added elbow connectors
in my shack to make cable routing cleaner. An hour into a contest
running legal limit, I saw SWR going sky high on an antenna, found the
elbow very hot to the touch. Removing it solved the problem. The tiny
spring had overheated. I've had these junk connectors fall apart
mechanically. I've had the dielectric in junk PL-259s melt when I
soldered the center conductor. And so on.

W3LPL advises to use Amphenol connectors exclusively, and to use only
83-1SP for PL-259s. I strongly agree with him. I know nothing about
what's available in EU -- my comments apply to North America.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread EricJ 

Even more ironic if it was a Chinese company you never heard of.

Eric KE6US


On 10/11/2016 6:42 PM, W1GO (Joe) wrote:

Who do we think makes the DX Engineering connectors that are so loved?   DX 
doesn't manufacture them; they are private labeled by another manufacturer.  
Wouldn't it be ironic if it was Amphenol? Hi Hi.

Joe
W1GO


On Oct 11, 2016, at 20:00, Gary K9GS  wrote:

Hi Mark,

I have had very good results using the DX Engineering brand PL259's (solder 
type).

I have also heard from people I know and trust that the new "Next Generation" 
crimp connectors from DXE are excellent.  I look forward to trying them out when my 
current supply of Amphenol crimp connectors needs replenishment.




On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Mark Tosiello wrote:
HI,

I to have always used only Amphenol connectors. However, this year, in
putting up another Gap Challenger, I am using a DXE pl259 at the antenna
coax end. DXE connectors have worked well for me in the past in another
application, are silver plated brass and the dialectric is PTFE. I've
spoken to many hams who have had good results with them. I'm not affiliated
with DXE in any way, just a satisfied customer. Anyone else use DXE PL259s?

Mark KD8EDC


On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Keith Hutt  wrote:

Got to agree i only use Amphenol connectors, expensive in the UK but well
worth the extra money.

But i get mine when i am visiting Dayton, so a lot cheaper

Regards

Keith G0TSH





On Tue,10/11/2016 6:29 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
I'm curious as to exactly why a "junk" connector supposedly has so much

more loss than a "good" connector?

Junk connectors have several issues. One of the issues is control of
dimensions -- the diameter of the tip must be "right" to make a solid
and reliable connection to the mating connector. I've seen junk barrels,
tees, and elbows that had a tiny spring between the ends of the connector.

When I got back on the air in 2003, I stocked my "junk box" with a lot
of these cheap connector adapters at ham flea markets, and over the next
3-5 years, they caused outright failures and intermittent problems that
were difficult to track down. At one point, I had added elbow connectors
in my shack to make cable routing cleaner. An hour into a contest
running legal limit, I saw SWR going sky high on an antenna, found the
elbow very hot to the touch. Removing it solved the problem. The tiny
spring had overheated. I've had these junk connectors fall apart
mechanically. I've had the dielectric in junk PL-259s melt when I
soldered the center conductor. And so on.

W3LPL advises to use Amphenol connectors exclusively, and to use only
83-1SP for PL-259s. I strongly agree with him. I know nothing about
what's available in EU -- my comments apply to North America.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread W1GO (Joe) 
Who do we think makes the DX Engineering connectors that are so loved?   DX 
doesn't manufacture them; they are private labeled by another manufacturer.  
Wouldn't it be ironic if it was Amphenol? Hi Hi.

Joe
W1GO

> On Oct 11, 2016, at 20:00, Gary K9GS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I have had very good results using the DX Engineering brand PL259's (solder 
> type).
> 
> I have also heard from people I know and trust that the new "Next Generation" 
> crimp connectors from DXE are excellent.  I look forward to trying them out 
> when my current supply of Amphenol crimp connectors needs replenishment.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Mark Tosiello wrote:
>> HI,
>> 
>> I to have always used only Amphenol connectors. However, this year, in
>> putting up another Gap Challenger, I am using a DXE pl259 at the antenna
>> coax end. DXE connectors have worked well for me in the past in another
>> application, are silver plated brass and the dialectric is PTFE. I've
>> spoken to many hams who have had good results with them. I'm not affiliated
>> with DXE in any way, just a satisfied customer. Anyone else use DXE PL259s?
>> 
>> Mark KD8EDC
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Keith Hutt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got to agree i only use Amphenol connectors, expensive in the UK but well
>>> worth the extra money.
>>> 
>>> But i get mine when i am visiting Dayton, so a lot cheaper
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Keith G0TSH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue,10/11/2016 6:29 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
 I'm curious as to exactly why a "junk" connector supposedly has so much
>>> more loss than a "good" connector?
>>> 
>>> Junk connectors have several issues. One of the issues is control of
>>> dimensions -- the diameter of the tip must be "right" to make a solid
>>> and reliable connection to the mating connector. I've seen junk barrels,
>>> tees, and elbows that had a tiny spring between the ends of the connector.
>>> 
>>> When I got back on the air in 2003, I stocked my "junk box" with a lot
>>> of these cheap connector adapters at ham flea markets, and over the next
>>> 3-5 years, they caused outright failures and intermittent problems that
>>> were difficult to track down. At one point, I had added elbow connectors
>>> in my shack to make cable routing cleaner. An hour into a contest
>>> running legal limit, I saw SWR going sky high on an antenna, found the
>>> elbow very hot to the touch. Removing it solved the problem. The tiny
>>> spring had overheated. I've had these junk connectors fall apart
>>> mechanically. I've had the dielectric in junk PL-259s melt when I
>>> soldered the center conductor. And so on.
>>> 
>>> W3LPL advises to use Amphenol connectors exclusively, and to use only
>>> 83-1SP for PL-259s. I strongly agree with him. I know nothing about
>>> what's available in EU -- my comments apply to North America.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread Gary K9GS 

Hi Mark,

I have had very good results using the DX Engineering brand PL259's 
(solder type).


I have also heard from people I know and trust that the new "Next 
Generation" crimp connectors from DXE are excellent.  I look forward to 
trying them out when my current supply of Amphenol crimp connectors 
needs replenishment.




On 10/11/2016 12:39 PM, Mark Tosiello wrote:

HI,

I to have always used only Amphenol connectors. However, this year, in
putting up another Gap Challenger, I am using a DXE pl259 at the antenna
coax end. DXE connectors have worked well for me in the past in another
application, are silver plated brass and the dialectric is PTFE. I've
spoken to many hams who have had good results with them. I'm not affiliated
with DXE in any way, just a satisfied customer. Anyone else use DXE PL259s?

Mark KD8EDC

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Keith Hutt  wrote:


Got to agree i only use Amphenol connectors, expensive in the UK but well
worth the extra money.

But i get mine when i am visiting Dayton, so a lot cheaper

Regards

Keith G0TSH




On Tue,10/11/2016 6:29 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

I'm curious as to exactly why a "junk" connector supposedly has so much

more loss than a "good" connector?

Junk connectors have several issues. One of the issues is control of
dimensions -- the diameter of the tip must be "right" to make a solid
and reliable connection to the mating connector. I've seen junk barrels,
tees, and elbows that had a tiny spring between the ends of the connector.

When I got back on the air in 2003, I stocked my "junk box" with a lot
of these cheap connector adapters at ham flea markets, and over the next
3-5 years, they caused outright failures and intermittent problems that
were difficult to track down. At one point, I had added elbow connectors
in my shack to make cable routing cleaner. An hour into a contest
running legal limit, I saw SWR going sky high on an antenna, found the
elbow very hot to the touch. Removing it solved the problem. The tiny
spring had overheated. I've had these junk connectors fall apart
mechanically. I've had the dielectric in junk PL-259s melt when I
soldered the center conductor. And so on.

W3LPL advises to use Amphenol connectors exclusively, and to use only
83-1SP for PL-259s. I strongly agree with him. I know nothing about
what's available in EU -- my comments apply to North America.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread Dave Cole 
On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 13:39 -0400, Mark Tosiello wrote:
> HI,
> 
> I to have always used only Amphenol connectors. However, this year, in
> putting up another Gap Challenger, I am using a DXE pl259 at the
> antenna
> coax end. DXE connectors have worked well for me in the past in
> another
> application, are silver plated brass and the dialectric is PTFE. I've
> spoken to many hams who have had good results with them. I'm not
> affiliated
> with DXE in any way, just a satisfied customer. Anyone else use DXE
> PL259s?
> 
> Mark KD8EDC

I also use DXE PL-259 connectors and have had zero issues with them as
well...  They are far cheaper than Amphenol connectors.  I have used DXE
connectors for the past 5 years, some outside with no coverings but
protected from most of the rain, and have had zero issues with them.
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Re: [Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread Mark Tosiello 
HI,

I to have always used only Amphenol connectors. However, this year, in
putting up another Gap Challenger, I am using a DXE pl259 at the antenna
coax end. DXE connectors have worked well for me in the past in another
application, are silver plated brass and the dialectric is PTFE. I've
spoken to many hams who have had good results with them. I'm not affiliated
with DXE in any way, just a satisfied customer. Anyone else use DXE PL259s?

Mark KD8EDC

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Keith Hutt  wrote:

> Got to agree i only use Amphenol connectors, expensive in the UK but well
> worth the extra money.
>
> But i get mine when i am visiting Dayton, so a lot cheaper
>
> Regards
>
> Keith G0TSH
>
>
>
>
> On Tue,10/11/2016 6:29 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> > I'm curious as to exactly why a "junk" connector supposedly has so much
> more loss than a "good" connector?
>
> Junk connectors have several issues. One of the issues is control of
> dimensions -- the diameter of the tip must be "right" to make a solid
> and reliable connection to the mating connector. I've seen junk barrels,
> tees, and elbows that had a tiny spring between the ends of the connector.
>
> When I got back on the air in 2003, I stocked my "junk box" with a lot
> of these cheap connector adapters at ham flea markets, and over the next
> 3-5 years, they caused outright failures and intermittent problems that
> were difficult to track down. At one point, I had added elbow connectors
> in my shack to make cable routing cleaner. An hour into a contest
> running legal limit, I saw SWR going sky high on an antenna, found the
> elbow very hot to the touch. Removing it solved the problem. The tiny
> spring had overheated. I've had these junk connectors fall apart
> mechanically. I've had the dielectric in junk PL-259s melt when I
> soldered the center conductor. And so on.
>
> W3LPL advises to use Amphenol connectors exclusively, and to use only
> 83-1SP for PL-259s. I strongly agree with him. I know nothing about
> what's available in EU -- my comments apply to North America.
>
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] PL259s

2016-10-11 Thread Keith Hutt 
Got to agree i only use Amphenol connectors, expensive in the UK but well worth 
the extra money.

But i get mine when i am visiting Dayton, so a lot cheaper

Regards

Keith G0TSH 




On Tue,10/11/2016 6:29 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> I'm curious as to exactly why a "junk" connector supposedly has so much more 
> loss than a "good" connector?

Junk connectors have several issues. One of the issues is control of 
dimensions -- the diameter of the tip must be "right" to make a solid 
and reliable connection to the mating connector. I've seen junk barrels, 
tees, and elbows that had a tiny spring between the ends of the connector.

When I got back on the air in 2003, I stocked my "junk box" with a lot 
of these cheap connector adapters at ham flea markets, and over the next 
3-5 years, they caused outright failures and intermittent problems that 
were difficult to track down. At one point, I had added elbow connectors 
in my shack to make cable routing cleaner. An hour into a contest 
running legal limit, I saw SWR going sky high on an antenna, found the 
elbow very hot to the touch. Removing it solved the problem. The tiny 
spring had overheated. I've had these junk connectors fall apart 
mechanically. I've had the dielectric in junk PL-259s melt when I 
soldered the center conductor. And so on.

W3LPL advises to use Amphenol connectors exclusively, and to use only 
83-1SP for PL-259s. I strongly agree with him. I know nothing about 
what's available in EU -- my comments apply to North America.


73, Jim K9YC
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