Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks, this thread was forcefully closed last week. Please, no more peanuts :-)

73,
Eric
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> On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:49 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
>> On 4/19/2018 1:34 PM, Tim N9PUZ wrote:
>> If packing material you don't happen to like is the worst thing that
>> happened to you today then it was a pretty fine day overall.
> 
> Try chasing a big box full of packing peanuts that the wind has blown over 8 
> acres of mountainous ground and have the balls to repeat this comment.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Jim Brown]

On 4/19/2018 1:34 PM, Tim N9PUZ wrote:

If packing material you don't happen to like is the worst thing that
happened to you today then it was a pretty fine day overall.


Try chasing a big box full of packing peanuts that the wind has blown 
over 8 acres of mountainous ground and have the balls to repeat this 
comment.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

They do, and thanks for not asking how I know.

On 4/19/2018 4:30 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote:

I hope that they taste better than polystyrene foam peanuts.

John KK9A


Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
  
Many companies use packing peanuts made of potato starch.  They're water

soluble and biodegradable.  Dump 'em on your front lawn and turn on the
sprinklers.

Even if they blow away, the first good rain will take care of them.

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[Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[john]

I hope that they taste better than polystyrene foam peanuts.

John KK9A


Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
 
Many companies use packing peanuts made of potato starch.  They're water 
soluble and biodegradable.  Dump 'em on your front lawn and turn on the 
sprinklers.

Even if they blow away, the first good rain will take care of them.

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Tim N9PUZ]

If packing material you don't happen to like is the worst thing that
happened to you today then it was a pretty fine day overall.

Tim N9PUZ
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Many companies use packing peanuts made of potato starch.  They're water 
soluble and biodegradable.  Dump 'em on your front lawn and turn on the 
sprinklers.


Even if they blow away, the first good rain will take care of them.

On 4/19/2018 8:57 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

Look in the shipping department.   They have a huge dispenser and just open
a spigot and let them pour in.  Fast and easy, pushing the labor for
removal to the person OPENING the package.  ;)


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[rich hurd WC3T]

Look in the shipping department.   They have a huge dispenser and just open
a spigot and let them pour in.  Fast and easy, pushing the labor for
removal to the person OPENING the package.  ;)

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:32 David Gilbert 
wrote:

>
> Pretty much the same effect can be had with styrofoam peanuts if they
> are bagged, such as with lightweight kitchen trash bags. Conformal
> packing without the mess.  I'll never understand why companies ship with
> loose peanuts.
>
> Dave  AB7E
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>
>
> On 4/19/2018 3:27 AM, Bill wrote:
> > The best packed radio I ever received was from TenTec. The radio was
> > bagged and was placed on the middle of a bed of cured spray foam. Then
> > the remainder of the box was filled with the same expanding spray
> > foam. Totally secure - nothing could move in any direction. I do not
> > know if this was their standard packing - I only purchased once from
> > them.
> >
> > Bill W2BLC K-line
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Rick WA6NHC]

Because they slide the box under a hopper, spill peanuts in, add the 
product and fill with more peanuts, slide to the taping position, label 
and ship.  Simple, quick and low cost to let them move more product out 
faster.  Pure economics.


Rick nhc


On 4/19/2018 8:32 AM, David Gilbert wrote:


Pretty much the same effect can be had with styrofoam peanuts if they 
are bagged, such as with lightweight kitchen trash bags. Conformal 
packing without the mess.  I'll never understand why companies ship 
with loose peanuts.


Dave  AB7E


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[David Gilbert]

Pretty much the same effect can be had with styrofoam peanuts if they 
are bagged, such as with lightweight kitchen trash bags. Conformal 
packing without the mess.  I'll never understand why companies ship with 
loose peanuts.


Dave  AB7E



On 4/19/2018 3:27 AM, Bill wrote:
The best packed radio I ever received was from TenTec. The radio was 
bagged and was placed on the middle of a bed of cured spray foam. Then 
the remainder of the box was filled with the same expanding spray 
foam. Totally secure - nothing could move in any direction. I do not 
know if this was their standard packing - I only purchased once from 
them.


Bill W2BLC K-line

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Bill]

The best packed radio I ever received was from TenTec. The radio was 
bagged and was placed on the middle of a bed of cured spray foam. Then 
the remainder of the box was filled with the same expanding spray foam. 
Totally secure - nothing could move in any direction. I do not know if 
this was their standard packing - I only purchased once from them.


Bill W2BLC K-line

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[Elecraft] Packing Peanuts Are Of the Devil!

[Jim Brown]

On 4/18/2018 8:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Bubble wrap and packing peanuts work quite well.


When someone sends me packing peanuts, I make a doll with their name on 
it and stick a LOT of pins in it. I also put their names, and the names 
of their company, on my permanent s--t list. They are absolutely 
miserable, a work of the devil. When I open a package, the xh$7x things 
blow all over the place, and thanks to static, are a huge pain to collect.


Bubble wrap is great, easy to reuse or dispose of. The air bags are fine 
for light weight stuff if the rest of the packaging is decent.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Jerry]

Time to put the "peanuts" to bed. Moderator - Please take note.


Best regards,

Jerry, W1IE

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[Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Dauer, Edward]

Perhaps.  But since at least as early as 1990 when James Reason published his 
work on systems approaches to error prevention, numerous industries have 
adopted the view that trying to make people perfect and blaming them when they 
are not just doesn’t work.  The fields in which I have spent some time – 
aviation and healthcare in particular – have seen very favorable error 
reduction when the focus moved to improving the systems within which people 
work as much as, or more than, improving the people.  Shaming and blaming 
almost always backfires.  

So, to bring this to the topic here, if there’s a good substitute for 
electrostatically risky styro packing materials, and if the economics aren’t 
adverse, that part of the Elecraft shipping system could be improved.  The 
popular phrase may be “idiot-proofing,” but we have seen it work with highly 
intelligent and highly educated pilots and medical personnel, among others.  It 
is safest to assume that “stupid fault” just means statistically predictable 
human behavior.  Blaming makes us feel better, but empirically it tends not to 
move the error needle very much.

Ted, KN1CBR



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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:02:29 +0100
From: "G4GNX" <g4...@g4gnx.com>
To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
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If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static charge 
will be dissipated through the wrist strap.

If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

Ditto.
The prime directive. Follow the manufacturers instructions.

On 6/18/2017 4:02 AM, G4GNX wrote:
If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static 
charge will be dissipated through the wrist strap.


If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- From: GaryK9GS
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:02 AM
To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK ; 'Kevin - K4VD' ; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I 
work in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from 
our building well over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to 
not use them.  They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to 
everything. What do you think happens to that static charge that is 
present on your body after handling this packing material when you open 
a static bag containing static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.



73,
Gary K9GS

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[G4GNX]

If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static charge 
will be dissipated through the wrist strap.


If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: GaryK9GS

Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:02 AM
To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK ; 'Kevin - K4VD' ; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I work 
in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our 
building well over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to not use 
them.  They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything. 
What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body 
after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing 
static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.



73,
Gary K9GS

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I dislike the peanuts too but about the static charge note that all the 
Elecraft manuals instruct builders to wear a grounded wrist strap or as a 
minimum, touch a metallic ground before touching any sensitive parts. 

73. Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GaryK9GS
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK; 'Kevin - K4VD'; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I work in 
electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our building well 
over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to not use them.  They are 
a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything.   
What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body 
after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing 
static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.


73,
Gary K9GS

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[GaryK9GS]

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I work in 
electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our building well 
over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to not use them.  They are 
a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything.   
What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body 
after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing 
static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.


73,
Gary K9GS
 Original message From: "Ian Kahn, KM4IK" <km4ik@gmail.com> 
Date: 6/17/17  4:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 'Kevin - K4VD' <ke...@k4vd.net>, 
'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing 
Peanuts 
On every Elecraft kit I've ever gotten, any static-sensitive parts are
packed in anti-static protective bags. Shouldn’t be an issue.

73 de,

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin - K4VD
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcg...@blomand.net> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  
> > As to the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  
> >> They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  
> >> After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common 
> >> charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing 
> >> them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t 
> >> help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic 
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  
> >> Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking 
> >> the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Rod Hardman(VA3ON)]

Actually there is a pretty good substitute package ng peanut made of starch. 
(You can eat them, although I don't suggest it having ng "demoed" that in many 
a warehouse tour years ago) they also hold less of a charge and "melt" in 
water. Pretty cool stuff and recommended!

/rod VA3ON

On Jun 17, 2017, at 19:31, Rick Tavan  wrote:

Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't
tolerate is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to
open without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that
packaging technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some
companies are beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
> 
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> 
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with
> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
> all.
> 
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there
> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors
> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
> . . .
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Rick Tavan]

Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't
tolerate is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to
open without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that
packaging technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some
companies are beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:

> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with
> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
> all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there
> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors
> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
> . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

By now someone must have done a graduate thesis on the lost productive hours
caused by people chasing those things. 

So how many cubic kilometers of peanuts are lying buried in landfills? How
many are stuck in the guts of hapless seagulls and other scavengers? 

Boggles the mind.

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Don Wilhelm]

I do re-use those packing peanuts because if I do not they will pile up 
from the packages I receive.  I believe Elecraft does the same thing.
Yes, those white ones will almost jump out of the package and stick to 
most anything.
Normally the 'goodies' in the box are wrapped in some kind of plastic or 
bubble wrap (or in the case of Elecraft kits, smaller boxes) If you 
reach in and extract the enclosed items you can normally pick up the box 
and dump (brush) the packing peanuts into a garbage bag or other container.


Be cautious about what you are packing when using those large air-filled 
bags.  They work fine for lightweight items, but for heavy items like a 
radio, those air bags often get compressed and burst allowing the 
heavier objects to move around in the shipping carton - a recipe for damage.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 6:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:


Yes, there FAR better options. My favorite is bubble wrap, which I save 
and re-use. The bags of air work well for some kinds of products.

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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Clay Autery]

NOT if they are pink peanuts, OR if the radio is packed inside a static
proof bag before being swallowed up in the white peanuts...

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On 6/17/2017 4:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
> electronic equipment like the K2?
>
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose  wrote:
>
>> Or hair spray ...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"  wrote:
>>
>>> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
>>> the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>
 Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

 They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
 cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
 about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
>> the
 smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them
>> with
 one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
>> at
 all.

 Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
 equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't
>> there
 some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
>> ancestors
 -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
>> kit
 . . .

 Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Clay Autery]

Ghost Guano...  peanuts made from starch that dissolve when wet, but
they don't handle the same weight...

Surprised California hasn't banned polystyrene peanuts yet...

I LOATHE polystyrene peanuts...  I can cut steel with my cussing when
dealing with them.  ;-)

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On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical 
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling 
> to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten 
> handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller 
> pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand 
> while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent 
> of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good 
> substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real 
> peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Kevin Stover, AC0H]

No. The static sensitive parts of Elecraft kits are shipped in 
anti-static bags. Keep them in the bag till you need them.


On 6/17/2017 4:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose  wrote:


Or hair spray ...

73

Ken - K0PP

On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"  wrote:


Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:


Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in

the

smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them

with

one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help

at

all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't

there

some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their

ancestors

-- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the

kit

. . .

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Fred Jensen]

Every ESD I've ever gotten from Elecraft has been packed in an 
anti-static bag and/or "plugged" into anti-static foam.  But ...don't 
ever use styrofoam egg cartonsor other containers for sorting ESD 
parts.  Best move is to keep all styrofoam off the bench, period.


73,

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On 6/17/2017 2:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose  wrote:


Or hair spray ...

73

Ken - K0PP

On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"  wrote:


Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:


Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in

the

smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them

with

one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help

at

all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't

there

some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their

ancestors

-- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the

kit

. . .

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Jim Brown]

Packing peanuts are an abomination. There should be a special place in 
hell for those who use them. Anyone who puts them in a package shipped 
to me goes to the top of my s&*T list. Thanks to limited indoor space, I 
must open most packages outdoors, and when I do, those obscene packing 
peanuts fly all over the place. Even when they don't escape, they're a 
pain to put in a trash bag to throw away.


Yes, there FAR better options. My favorite is bubble wrap, which I save 
and re-use. The bags of air work well for some kinds of products.


73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,6/17/2017 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical 
minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to 
my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten 
handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces 
flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while 
holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of 
a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good 
substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real 
peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Ian Kahn, KM4IK]

On every Elecraft kit I've ever gotten, any static-sensitive parts are
packed in anti-static protective bags. Shouldn’t be an issue.

73 de,

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcg...@blomand.net> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  
> > As to the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  
> >> They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  
> >> After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common 
> >> charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing 
> >> them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t 
> >> help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic 
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  
> >> Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking 
> >> the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Kevin - K4VD]

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose  wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"  wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
> > the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
> >> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
> >> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Oh no, sticky goo forever.

73

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On 6/17/2017 3:44 PM, Rose wrote:

Or hair spray ...

73




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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Rose]

Or hair spray ...

73

Ken - K0PP

On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"  wrote:

> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
> the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
>
> 73
>
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>
> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>
>> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
>> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
>> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with
>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
>> all.
>>
>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there
>> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors
>> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
>> . . .
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As 
to the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical 
minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to 
my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten 
handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces 
flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while 
holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of 
a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good 
substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real 
peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .

Ted, KN1CBR


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[Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

[Dauer, Edward]

Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical 
minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to 
my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten 
handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces 
flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while 
holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of 
a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good 
substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real 
peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .

Ted, KN1CBR


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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts (Vol 82, Issue 43)

[alan]

I have a greater concern, a kid at my son's school has a nut allergy, which can 
be fatal to some (anaphylactic reaction), and being showered in nuts would be 
more than enough to trigger it.
 
Regards  73  Alan  G0HiQ

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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:42:03 -0800
From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !
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On 2/27/2011 9:33 AM, r miles wrote:
 with 6'' or more of
 peanuts around ALL sides. Pack the peanuts so when you shake the box
 there is no hint of movement.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use packing peanuts. They are a HUGE NUISANCE to get rid 
of, they fly all over the place when you try to unpack them.  I have 
gotten so angry when people ship peanuts to me that I've re-packed them 
in a box and shipped them back, at my expense.

Bubble wrap is far more manageable, and can be loosely crumpled to 
provide good cushioning within the package. Even crumpled newsprint is a 
lot better -- at least we can burn it as kindling or put it in the 
recycling bin :)

73, Jim K9YC


  
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[John Payne]

Yeah, but they make lousy peanut butter!

73 de W4CWZ

On 2/27/2011 11:14 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
 I dunno.  They're not bad with a little salt and a beer!  8-)

 73,

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[Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Jim Brown]

On 2/27/2011 9:33 AM, r miles wrote:
 with 6'' or more of
 peanuts around ALL sides. Pack the peanuts so when you shake the box
 there is no hint of movement.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use packing peanuts. They are a HUGE NUISANCE to get 
rid of, they fly all over the place when you try to unpack them.  I have 
gotten so angry when people ship peanuts to me that I've re-packed them 
in a box and shipped them back, at my expense.

Bubble wrap is far more manageable, and can be loosely crumpled to 
provide good cushioning within the package. Even crumpled newsprint is a 
lot better -- at least we can burn it as kindling or put it in the 
recycling bin :)

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604]

I hate the plastic ones, also, even though my local UPS store accepts 
them for reuse.  But check what you receive, many of them are now 
cornstarch or similar and can be composted.  And the rumor is that 
they're good for the compost bin.
73, doug



On 27-Feb-11 09:42, Jim Brown wrote:
 On 2/27/2011 9:33 AM, r miles wrote:
 with 6'' or more of
 peanuts around ALL sides. Pack the peanuts so when you shake the box
 there is no hint of movement.

 NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use packing peanuts. They are a HUGE NUISANCE to get
 rid of, they fly all over the place when you try to unpack them.  I have
 gotten so angry when people ship peanuts to me that I've re-packed them
 in a box and shipped them back, at my expense.

 Bubble wrap is far more manageable, and can be loosely crumpled to
 provide good cushioning within the package. Even crumpled newsprint is a
 lot better -- at least we can burn it as kindling or put it in the
 recycling bin :)

 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Stephen Prior]

Are those the brown/yellow coloured ones that taste nice?

I'll get my coat

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 27/02/2011 17:51, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 fa...@panix.com
wrote:


I hate the plastic ones, also, even though my local UPS store accepts
them for reuse.  But check what you receive, many of them are now
cornstarch or similar and can be composted.  And the rumor is that
they're good for the compost bin.
73, doug




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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Real popcorn was used in the USA as far back as WWII and I saw it tested by
a few companies in the 60's and 70's. It was 'dry popped' (no oil). It
offered the advantages of being very cheap, took up very little space as
kernels needing only a small machine that produced very hot air to pop it on
demand, and it was 100% biodegradable. 

A few of the drawbacks that quickly appeared in the company where I worked
were:

1) Lots of broken corn debris including the flopcorn (kernels that didn't
pop), making it necessary to securely wrap the product to keep it out.

2) Rodents and other corn-loving critters in the shipping department unless
every corner and crevice was kept absolutely clean (which tended to drive
the critters into the labs and offices). 

When they appeared plastic peanuts were adopted with enthusiasm. 

Ron AC7AC



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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[JERRY]

Jim:

I will take all the peanuts you want to send to me. They are wonderful 
packing if you use them right.

I save my newspaper plastic bags and put the peanuts in the bag, seal the 
bag with tape so the peanuts cant get out. Now you have a nice pad, the 
peanuts wont move in shipping even if the packing is loose. When the person 
on the other end gets them they don't fly all over the place.

You can form the bags around corners, and generally shape them into any form 
you like. If you have access to bags that newspapers typically come in, for 
bad weather, you can size them any way you want for the packing.

Bubble wrap is ok but it does pop when shaping it and it is more  expensive 
than peanuts. Crumpled paper is OK if the item is light but if it has much 
mass the paper crushes flat and now you have no padding. It takes very heavy 
crumpled paper to not collapse with heavier items. Not so with bagged 
Peanuts.

Yes the peanuts take a little more time to prepare but I think they are 
great and very versatile packing, I also use a lot of them.

And by the way. I do not sell peanuts or have anything to do with their 
marketing. :-)

Good packing.

73's
Jerry
W6XI
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !


 On 2/27/2011 9:33 AM, r miles wrote:
 with 6'' or more of
 peanuts around ALL sides. Pack the peanuts so when you shake the box
 there is no hint of movement.

 NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use packing peanuts. They are a HUGE NUISANCE to get
 rid of, they fly all over the place when you try to unpack them.  I have
 gotten so angry when people ship peanuts to me that I've re-packed them
 in a box and shipped them back, at my expense.

 Bubble wrap is far more manageable, and can be loosely crumpled to
 provide good cushioning within the package. Even crumpled newsprint is a
 lot better -- at least we can burn it as kindling or put it in the
 recycling bin :)

 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Fred Jensen]

My combat comm team in Vietnam and Laos was adopted by the people in 
the small hometown of one of my troops.  They sent us a box every week 
to 10 days with all sorts of stuff to eat, read, and wear.  They packed 
them with popcorn.  We ate that too.  They published the letters we 
wrote to them in the weekly newspaper and started salting the popcorn 
when one of my troops mentioned it as a joke :-)

Styrofoam packing peanuts seem to self-generate a static charge ... I 
guess it's what makes them fly around when you're trying to cram them 
into the trash can.  Maybe its not a problem but I'd be wary of putting 
them and solid state electronics in the same box.  I haven't noticed the 
problem with the biodegradable ones.

I shipped my K2 to W3FPR awhile back.  I wrapped it in one layer of 
bubble wrap, and then cushioned it in the box with crumpled newspaper. 
I didn't double box it, sent it USPS Priority Mail, and it got there and 
back just fine.

Fred K6DGW
Auburn CA

On 2/27/2011 12:23 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 Real popcorn was used in the USA as far back as WWII and I saw it tested by
 a few companies in the 60's and 70's. It was 'dry popped' (no oil).
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[David Christ]

Don't know about the pink ones, but the green ones I have don't 
generate static.  Don't fly all over and don't stick to everything. 
I agree, the white ones are awful.

David K0LUM

At 12:48 PM -0800 2/27/11, Fred Jensen wrote:


Styrofoam packing peanuts seem to self-generate a static charge ... I
guess it's what makes them fly around when you're trying to cram them
into the trash can.  Maybe its not a problem but I'd be wary of putting
them and solid state electronics in the same box.  I haven't noticed the
problem with the biodegradable ones.



Fred K6DGW
Auburn CA
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Randy Hall]

I always look forward to receiving a box from AES, until I open it and get
the peanuts all over the place.. Hate those things.

Randy
K7AGE
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Robert Harmon]

hihihi

It's particularly enjoyable when opening one up in the garage
with the garage door open and the wind scatters them all over the place.
And of course trying to sweep them up is an adventure too.

Bob
K6UJ



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 I always look forward to receiving a box from AES, until I open it and get
 the peanuts all over the place.. Hate those things.
 
 Randy
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Gary K9GS]

I work in electronics manufacturing.  We do not even allow packing 
peanuts in our factory due to the static issue and the mess.  Our 
suppliers are told that shipments received packed in peanuts will be 
returned.  I believe we also require anti-static bubble wrap...the pink 
stuff.

On 2/27/2011 7:33 PM, Randy Hall wrote:
 I always look forward to receiving a box from AES, until I open it and get
 the peanuts all over the place.. Hate those things.

 Randy
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Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !

[Ken Alexander]

I dunno.  They're not bad with a little salt and a beer!  8-)

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS


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 From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts -- I HATE THEM !
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:42 PM
 On 2/27/2011 9:33 AM, r miles wrote:
  with 6'' or more of
  peanuts around ALL sides. Pack the peanuts so when you
 shake the box
  there is no hint of movement.
 
 NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use packing peanuts. They are a HUGE
 NUISANCE to get 
 rid of, they fly all over the place when you try to unpack
 them.  I have 
 gotten so angry when people ship peanuts to me that I've
 re-packed them 
 in a box and shipped them back, at my expense.
 
 Bubble wrap is far more manageable, and can be loosely
 crumpled to 
 provide good cushioning within the package. Even crumpled
 newsprint is a 
 lot better -- at least we can burn it as kindling or put it
 in the 
 recycling bin :)
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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