[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word HAM
If your serious (I'm not familiar with FCC exams) - why? What good does filling your head with bits of info that you don't need to remember do - and what does it prove? Like my Collage electronics exams back in the 70's - why do I need to remember all these complex formulas (hfE calc etc) ? I'll just look them up in a book if I need them! Basic stuff like ohms law and freq calcs for Ham radio I understand and know, but what good is knowing all the stuff on your credit Card (it just gets swiped) and how does that help with Radio? On 7/7/07 07:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Following the trend, the new test will require the applicant to enter their credit card number FROM MEMORY in front of 3 VE's, including the expiry date and that little 3 digit code on the back of the card!!! -- A bit of fragrance always clings to the hand that gives the rose. -Chinese proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word Ham
Have been a ham radio operator for so long I really never found anythng negative about it. People have always understood the difference between a Ham and a CB'er. I guess opinions vary with what generation your in. As far a tradions go I think we have lost enough of them recently. Move over Hams new technology and big business is slowly taking over. Jim/k2hn --- [EMAIL PROTECTED],net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly agree with Jozef. There is something called tradition. We are hams, and should be proud of that title. It took much effort in days past, unlike today. When I recieved my Extra class license it meant something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers. We now have Extra class operators. The FCC changed ham radio in order to get more numbers. Never mind quality, let's have numbers. Never mind the traditions. By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word ham
Agreed. Me too, by the way. My Elmer was W2FVB, Walter Muller. In my 33 year high school teaching carrier, not one student ever made fun of the term ham. I taught a ham radio class for science credit (for graduation) that met daily, but you had to have acquired a callsign to get the credit. No kid ever made fun of me being their Elmer, however, many remember their Elmer fondly like I remember mine As a 14 year old know it all teenager, I had no problem telling my peers that I was a ham. No one ever made fun of me. Quite the contrary. We are what we think, and, what we think, we project. Jozef WB2MIC [EMAIL PROTECTED],net wrote: I certainly agree with Jozef. There is something called tradition. We are hams, and should be proud of that title. It took much effort in days past, unlike today. When I recieved my Extra class license it meant something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers. We now have Extra class operators. The FCC changed ham radio in order to get more numbers. Never mind quality, let's have numbers. Never mind the traditions. By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Hate the word ham
Like it or not, the number of licensees was in decline before recent changes in licensing. Without a sufficient number of hams, it's hard to justify keeping our precious band allocations. Many of the keenest and most enthusiastic members of the hobby are those who were encouraged to join by the new licensing policy. Instead of sounding like grumpy old members of a gentlemen's club, you should be welcoming them. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the net ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word ham
To me, HAM will always be boiled pig, but then at my age, I don't feel strongly about what I'm called. Regrettably, I never had an individual Elmer but will always be grateful to the many from whom I've drawn advice, knowledge, encouragement and camaradie. I'm not a very active ham but thanks to those who helped me, I've enjoyed the hobby immensely and am grateful that I've been able to help a few others along the way. What's in a name? Not a lot as far as I'm concerned. I'm proud that I passed my amateurs' exam over 40 years ago and proud that I became proficient in morse code. Part of me regrets the dumbing down of standards during my lifetime, but I also appreciate that much of it was necessary for the hobby's future survival. Standards change from generation to generation; some I embrace and some I don't like. Maybe it's as well that the inevitable tag of SK catches up with us all after our allotted span? 73 Dave: G3TJP ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word Ham
But why were we losing numbers? Like I said, new technology and big business. I'm not a grumpy old man but if I were commissioner of the FCC I would have a code requirement of 20wpm (ok, maybe 10) and have each applicant build a K2 and understand all the components prior to ever keying a transmitter. number of licensees was in decline before recent changes in licensing. Without a sufficient number of hams, it's hard to justify keeping our precious band allocations. Many of the keenest and most enthusiastic members of the hobby are those who were encouraged to join by the new licensing policy. Instead of sounding like grumpy old members of a gentlemen's club, you should be welcoming them. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the net ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Hate the word Ham [END of Thread]
Let's end this thread for now. In general, once an OT thread has 10+ posts in please try not to prolong its life. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
