Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-13 Thread Fred Jensen
Found that out the hard way and fried a trace on the RF board.  
Fortunately, it was repairable.  Unfortunately, it wasn't very easy.  
One of mine is now painted black [I'm colorblind].  If you have a 
K2/KPA100 combo, it's easy to get the amp off, I'd do it now.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Jay Rutherford wrote on 7/12/2022 7:34 PM:

Wayne,

Years ago, on my 2000 K2, I discovered that it was possible to interchange the 
ATU plug to the main board with another one of the same size, with very bad 
results. I applied gold paint to one of the pair in the hopes of avoiding ever 
interchanging them by accident. So far, so good.

73
Jay K3BH

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, at 21:37, Wayne Burdick wrote:

We've used APP connectors for over 20 years on Elecraft products. When
properly assembled and inserted they're very reliable, not to mention
intuitively color-coded. There is nothing covert about them.

I may be slightly biased by my fear of starting over with something
else, with the resulting incompatibilities, discontent, and non-deleted
expletives.

W



On Jul 12, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Jay Rutherford  wrote:

Sorry to flog this poor horse once more. My XT90 AMASS connector failed due to 
not being completely inserted with the mate on a 52volt e-trike. It burned up 
one of the conductors inside the female plug.

I have never had a failure of an Anderson powerpole in many years of using 
them. It is easy to see when they are not completely connected.

Just to give a different perspective on the subject.

73,
Jay K3BH

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, at 21:19, jerry wrote:

I had a PowerPole fail on me once.  Dirt or corrosion on the one flat
contact.
Once was enough.  Back in the day, I had standardized on double banana
plugs.  In 50 years of ham radio, I NEVER had one fail on me in any way.
  Only trouble with the double bananas is they're not keyed for polarity.
  I was always *very* careful about that.

   As a electronic bench tech back in the 70's, I had a lot of experience
with test sets and connectors enduring thousands of cycles.  The very
best - most reliable - connectors all had a round pin in a round hole.
All hail Augat machine sockets!

   The AMASS connectors feature a round pin that plugs into a round hole.
  It has just the right spring tension.  They are polarized - you can't
plug them in backwards.  They are popular with the RC drone crowd, but
are also making it into other equipment.

I am using AMASS XT90 connectors on my kilowatt LDMOS linear project.

  - Jerry, KF6VB

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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Bill Frantz
I’m with Jim on this one. I particularly like that they are hermaphroditic, so 
I can not worry about which end is providing the current. Helps with battery 
charging for example.

The only failures I have had is when the metal “pins” are not fully inserted in 
the shell. (The curve at the end of the pin needs to go completely over the 
spring in the shell.) If not fully inserted, the connectors don’t firmly 
connect and become unreliable. They also disconnect easily. 

I can imagine that if you hot plug them enough, you can erode the connectors 
from the DC arc, producing unreliability. Note that the manufacturer 
specifically says not to hot plug them.

73 Bill AE6JV


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 20:13:32, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 7/12/2022 4:44 PM, jerry wrote:
>> I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; I don't understand what people 
>> see in them.  One flat contact that slip-connects to
>> another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.
> 
> I love them, use them extensively inside the shack and on all low-voltage DC. 
> I began standardizing on them with my first K2, almost 20 years ago.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Jim Brown

On 7/12/2022 6:06 PM, Andrew Moore wrote:



AMASS connectors are far superior

Superior for what?


banana plugs are better

Better for what?


Great questions, Andrew. Banana plugs are certainly not better for 
power. And not when panel real estate is limited.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Jay Rutherford
Wayne,

Years ago, on my 2000 K2, I discovered that it was possible to interchange the 
ATU plug to the main board with another one of the same size, with very bad 
results. I applied gold paint to one of the pair in the hopes of avoiding ever 
interchanging them by accident. So far, so good.

73
Jay K3BH

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, at 21:37, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> We've used APP connectors for over 20 years on Elecraft products. When 
> properly assembled and inserted they're very reliable, not to mention 
> intuitively color-coded. There is nothing covert about them.
>
> I may be slightly biased by my fear of starting over with something 
> else, with the resulting incompatibilities, discontent, and non-deleted 
> expletives.
>
> W
>
>
>> On Jul 12, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Jay Rutherford  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry to flog this poor horse once more. My XT90 AMASS connector failed due 
>> to not being completely inserted with the mate on a 52volt e-trike. It 
>> burned up one of the conductors inside the female plug.
>> 
>> I have never had a failure of an Anderson powerpole in many years of using 
>> them. It is easy to see when they are not completely connected.
>> 
>> Just to give a different perspective on the subject.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Jay K3BH
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, at 21:19, jerry wrote:
>>> I had a PowerPole fail on me once.  Dirt or corrosion on the one flat 
>>> contact.
>>> Once was enough.  Back in the day, I had standardized on double banana 
>>> plugs.  In 50 years of ham radio, I NEVER had one fail on me in any way. 
>>>  Only trouble with the double bananas is they're not keyed for polarity. 
>>>  I was always *very* careful about that.
>>> 
>>>   As a electronic bench tech back in the 70's, I had a lot of experience 
>>> with test sets and connectors enduring thousands of cycles.  The very 
>>> best - most reliable - connectors all had a round pin in a round hole.  
>>> All hail Augat machine sockets!
>>> 
>>>   The AMASS connectors feature a round pin that plugs into a round hole. 
>>>  It has just the right spring tension.  They are polarized - you can't 
>>> plug them in backwards.  They are popular with the RC drone crowd, but 
>>> are also making it into other equipment.
>>> 
>>>I am using AMASS XT90 connectors on my kilowatt LDMOS linear project.
>>> 
>>>  - Jerry, KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Fred Jensen

"not to mention intuitively color-coded"

"Intuitively" may work for most, not so much for those of us males whose 
color vision is seriously compromised.  I can tell the difference 
between the black side and the not-black side if I see them together 
which is almost always... electrically, I've never had problems with 
APP's  They're all over the shack.


All website designers should try rendering their pages in monochrome 
before publishing them in full color.  You might be surprised.  NASA 
could do it for the James West site ... might really be surprised, very 
hard to read for me.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Wayne Burdick wrote on 7/12/2022 6:37 PM:

We've used APP connectors for over 20 years on Elecraft products. When properly 
assembled and inserted they're very reliable, not to mention intuitively 
color-coded. There is nothing covert about them.

I may be slightly biased by my fear of starting over with something else, with 
the resulting incompatibilities, discontent, and non-deleted expletives.

W





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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Wayne Burdick
We've used APP connectors for over 20 years on Elecraft products. When properly 
assembled and inserted they're very reliable, not to mention intuitively 
color-coded. There is nothing covert about them.

I may be slightly biased by my fear of starting over with something else, with 
the resulting incompatibilities, discontent, and non-deleted expletives.

W


> On Jul 12, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Jay Rutherford  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to flog this poor horse once more. My XT90 AMASS connector failed due 
> to not being completely inserted with the mate on a 52volt e-trike. It burned 
> up one of the conductors inside the female plug.
> 
> I have never had a failure of an Anderson powerpole in many years of using 
> them. It is easy to see when they are not completely connected.
> 
> Just to give a different perspective on the subject.
> 
> 73,
> Jay K3BH
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, at 21:19, jerry wrote:
>> I had a PowerPole fail on me once.  Dirt or corrosion on the one flat 
>> contact.
>> Once was enough.  Back in the day, I had standardized on double banana 
>> plugs.  In 50 years of ham radio, I NEVER had one fail on me in any way. 
>>  Only trouble with the double bananas is they're not keyed for polarity. 
>>  I was always *very* careful about that.
>> 
>>   As a electronic bench tech back in the 70's, I had a lot of experience 
>> with test sets and connectors enduring thousands of cycles.  The very 
>> best - most reliable - connectors all had a round pin in a round hole.  
>> All hail Augat machine sockets!
>> 
>>   The AMASS connectors feature a round pin that plugs into a round hole. 
>>  It has just the right spring tension.  They are polarized - you can't 
>> plug them in backwards.  They are popular with the RC drone crowd, but 
>> are also making it into other equipment.
>> 
>>I am using AMASS XT90 connectors on my kilowatt LDMOS linear project.
>> 
>>  - Jerry, KF6VB
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2022-07-12 18:06, Andrew Moore wrote:
 I have not found them to be reliable
>>> 
>>> Just curious - can you elaborate and quantify? Bad solder joints?
>>> 
 AMASS connectors are far superior
>>> 
>>> Superior for what?
>> *** Superior for always connecting.
>> 
>>> 
 banana plugs are better
>>> 
>>> Better for what?
>> 
>> *** Same better.
>>> 
>>> Thanks & 73,
>>> -Andrew NV1B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:46 PM jerry  wrote:
>>> 
 On 2022-07-12 15:09, brianpepperdine brianpepperdine wrote:
> HI. Well this is weird
> It appears that the Anderson power power cable failed
 
 *** No surprise there.  I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; 
 I
 don't understand what people see in them.  One flat contact that
 slip-connects to
 another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.
 
AMASS connectors are far superior.  These have a round pin that 
 goes
 in a round hole.  Heck, even banana plugs are better.
 
  - Jerry, KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Jay Rutherford
Sorry to flog this poor horse once more. My XT90 AMASS connector failed due to 
not being completely inserted with the mate on a 52volt e-trike. It burned up 
one of the conductors inside the female plug.

I have never had a failure of an Anderson powerpole in many years of using 
them. It is easy to see when they are not completely connected.

Just to give a different perspective on the subject.

73,
Jay K3BH

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022, at 21:19, jerry wrote:
> I had a PowerPole fail on me once.  Dirt or corrosion on the one flat 
> contact.
> Once was enough.  Back in the day, I had standardized on double banana 
> plugs.  In 50 years of ham radio, I NEVER had one fail on me in any way. 
>   Only trouble with the double bananas is they're not keyed for polarity. 
>   I was always *very* careful about that.
>
>As a electronic bench tech back in the 70's, I had a lot of experience 
> with test sets and connectors enduring thousands of cycles.  The very 
> best - most reliable - connectors all had a round pin in a round hole.  
> All hail Augat machine sockets!
>
>The AMASS connectors feature a round pin that plugs into a round hole. 
>   It has just the right spring tension.  They are polarized - you can't 
> plug them in backwards.  They are popular with the RC drone crowd, but 
> are also making it into other equipment.
>
> I am using AMASS XT90 connectors on my kilowatt LDMOS linear project.
>
>   - Jerry, KF6VB
>
>
>
> On 2022-07-12 18:06, Andrew Moore wrote:
>>> I have not found them to be reliable
>> 
>> Just curious - can you elaborate and quantify? Bad solder joints?
>> 
>>> AMASS connectors are far superior
>> 
>> Superior for what?
> *** Superior for always connecting.
>
>> 
>>> banana plugs are better
>> 
>> Better for what?
>
> *** Same better.
>> 
>> Thanks & 73,
>> -Andrew NV1B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:46 PM jerry  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2022-07-12 15:09, brianpepperdine brianpepperdine wrote:
>>> > HI. Well this is weird
>>> > It appears that the Anderson power power cable failed
>>> 
>>> *** No surprise there.  I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; 
>>> I
>>> don't understand what people see in them.  One flat contact that
>>> slip-connects to
>>> another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.
>>> 
>>> AMASS connectors are far superior.  These have a round pin that 
>>> goes
>>> in a round hole.  Heck, even banana plugs are better.
>>> 
>>>   - Jerry, KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread jerry
I had a PowerPole fail on me once.  Dirt or corrosion on the one flat 
contact.
Once was enough.  Back in the day, I had standardized on double banana 
plugs.  In 50 years of ham radio, I NEVER had one fail on me in any way. 
 Only trouble with the double bananas is they're not keyed for polarity. 
 I was always *very* careful about that.


  As a electronic bench tech back in the 70's, I had a lot of experience 
with test sets and connectors enduring thousands of cycles.  The very 
best - most reliable - connectors all had a round pin in a round hole.  
All hail Augat machine sockets!


  The AMASS connectors feature a round pin that plugs into a round hole. 
 It has just the right spring tension.  They are polarized - you can't 
plug them in backwards.  They are popular with the RC drone crowd, but 
are also making it into other equipment.


   I am using AMASS XT90 connectors on my kilowatt LDMOS linear project.

 - Jerry, KF6VB



On 2022-07-12 18:06, Andrew Moore wrote:

I have not found them to be reliable


Just curious - can you elaborate and quantify? Bad solder joints?


AMASS connectors are far superior


Superior for what?

*** Superior for always connecting.




banana plugs are better


Better for what?


*** Same better.


Thanks & 73,
-Andrew NV1B




On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:46 PM jerry  wrote:


On 2022-07-12 15:09, brianpepperdine brianpepperdine wrote:
> HI. Well this is weird
> It appears that the Anderson power power cable failed

*** No surprise there.  I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; 
I

don't understand what people see in them.  One flat contact that
slip-connects to
another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.

AMASS connectors are far superior.  These have a round pin that 
goes

in a round hole.  Heck, even banana plugs are better.

  - Jerry, KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Andrew Moore
> I have not found them to be reliable

Just curious - can you elaborate and quantify? Bad solder joints?

> AMASS connectors are far superior

Superior for what?

> banana plugs are better

Better for what?

Thanks & 73,
-Andrew NV1B




On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:46 PM jerry  wrote:

> On 2022-07-12 15:09, brianpepperdine brianpepperdine wrote:
> > HI. Well this is weird
> > It appears that the Anderson power power cable failed
>
> *** No surprise there.  I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; I
> don't understand what people see in them.  One flat contact that
> slip-connects to
> another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.
>
> AMASS connectors are far superior.  These have a round pin that goes
> in a round hole.  Heck, even banana plugs are better.
>
>   - Jerry, KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Jim Brown

On 7/12/2022 4:44 PM, jerry wrote:
I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; I don't understand what 
people see in them.  One flat contact that slip-connects to

another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.


I love them, use them extensively inside the shack and on all 
low-voltage DC. I began standardizing on them with my first K2, almost 
20 years ago.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Michael Carter
Occam's Razor comes to mind - forget all that
diagnostic stuff I pumped out earlier!

Glad you found the true cause, the simple true
cause, Brian.

73,
Mike, K8CN
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread jerry

On 2022-07-12 15:09, brianpepperdine brianpepperdine wrote:

HI. Well this is weird
It appears that the Anderson power power cable failed


*** No surprise there.  I personally do NOT like Anderson PowerPoles; I 
don't understand what people see in them.  One flat contact that 
slip-connects to

another flat contact.  I have not found them to be reliable.

   AMASS connectors are far superior.  These have a round pin that goes 
in a round hole.  Heck, even banana plugs are better.


 - Jerry, KF6VB
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread Michael Carter
Hi Brian,

Could you give a bit more detail?

You said the 'power went off on the K2' after
attempting to auto-tune the KAT100.  Do you
mean the DC power went dark on the K2 and
the screen display went blank, or something
else?

Have you tried to auto-tune the KAT100
at the low power level (set K2 Power control
less than 10 watts to yield 2 watt for
KAT100 tune)?

Have you tried connecting the KAT100  to
a good 50 ohm dummy load and doing
auto-tune at low and high power?

Does the K2 still 'talk' to the KPA100,
i.e. can you access the KPA100 menus?
If so, are there any Error/Status codes
displayed in the PA menu?  Can you
set the KAT100 to 'bypass' mode
and still get low power to a dummy load
on the KAT100?

The fact that the 12 VDC via the
PowerPoles doesn't reach the
base K2 suggests that diode D9
has opened.  It is also possible
that a collector-base short in
one of the PA transistors is
pulling down the 12V line.  This
begs the question: what are
you using for the DC power supply?

Although I have my KPA100 and KAT100
outboard of my K2, I have observed
situations where the KAT100 fails
to continue searching for a match
if the impedance seen at its output
is a very bad mismatch (high SWR).
In virtually all of those instances I can get the
KAT100 to properly auto-tune by
reducing the K2's Power control
to less than 10 watts (but more than
2 watts).

If you have an ohmmeter/multimeter,
you can check the resistance between
the PowerPoles with the 12 V power
supply disconnected at the PowerPoles
AND at the coaxial DC input.   That
resistance should be high - if not, one
of the PA transistors may have shorted
through.

Don't forget that the KPA100 manual
has troubleshooting procedures
and much more detail than I've
given here - see page 66 of the manual.

73,
Mike, K8CN
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Re: [Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread brianpepperdine brianpepperdine

HI. Well this is weird
It appears that the Anderson power power cable failed when I went to 
put it back on the K3 (where it usually is for my main rig) the K3 would 
not power up!!
Measured no voltage at the rig end of the cable. Voltage was OK at power 
supply output terminals.
I put on the spare cable I had for power for my other rig (not here 
right now.. its at another QTH) and the K3 powered up fine.

I put the able onto the K2 combo and it all lights up A-OK.
Dunno... have to look at that cable but I guess it is now dead and needs 
new Powerpole connectors. H. So much for trusting hardware that has 
been in use for years.

tnx
Brian VE3HI


   -- Original Message --
   From: brianpepperd...@sympatico.ca
   To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
   Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 4:07 PM
   Subject: problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

 Due to circumstances, I have a bit of time on my hands..
 so I had elected to go thru my rigs here re. possible hamfests or 
private sales.
 First thing I decided to look at was my K2 with the amp integrated 
into it and the separate KAT100 tuner connected outboard.


 Things seemed fine overall and then I tried to auto-tune on 17m band
 It started to tune and then the power went off on the K2.
 I think the PA tunes at the 20 watt level (true?) so it should (?) 
have folded back to 20 watts for a 90 watt output setting on the K2 re. 
any high SWR encountered...yes?
 In any case, the K2 WILL run when on 12 vdc power fed to the regular 
coax plug feed, but not with the K2 on the regular Anderson powerpole 
input required for QRO operation alongside the KAT100 with its 12 vdc 
feed.


 Any ideas what to look for in this situation?
 And... I admit I ignored the warning in this case and did NOT use a 20 
amp fuse in the power line to the K2... but it does still run at a QRP 
level with the regular DC supply.


 Brian Pepperdine
 VE3HI VE3VAW




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[Elecraft] problem with K2, KAT100 and K2100PA combo

2022-07-12 Thread brianpepperdine brianpepperdine

Due to circumstances, I have a bit of time on my hands..
so I had elected to go thru my rigs here re. possible hamfests or 
private sales.
First thing I decided to look at was my K2 with the amp integrated into 
it and the separate KAT100 tuner connected outboard.


Things seemed fine overall and then I tried to auto-tune on 17m band
It started to tune and then the power went off on the K2.
I think the PA tunes at the 20 watt level (true?) so it should (?) have 
folded back to 20 watts for a 90 watt output setting on the K2 re. any 
high SWR encountered...yes?
In any case, the K2 WILL run when on 12 vdc power fed to the regular 
coax plug feed, but not with the K2 on the regular Anderson powerpole 
input required for QRO operation alongside the KAT100 with its 12 vdc 
feed.


Any ideas what to look for in this situation?
And... I admit I ignored the warning in this case and did NOT use a 20 
amp fuse in the power line to the K2... but it does still run at a QRP 
level with the regular DC supply.


Brian Pepperdine
VE3HI VE3VAW
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