[Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ;; This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by ;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option) ;; any later version. Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I decided to finally sit down and read up on GTD and implement simple setup for Org. Do you know there is a book called Getting Things Done ? I suggest you buy it ;) I have not finished it, but I don't think reading stuff on the 'net is a substitute to reading the original book. My two cents. Kind regards, -- Ivan http://kanis.fr At Group L, Stoffel oversees six first-rate programmers, a managerial challenge roughly comparable to herding cats. -- Anonymous , 1985-06-09 , The Washington Post ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Hi Ivan On Dec 23, 2007 5:20 AM, Ivan Kanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ;; This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by ;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option) ;; any later version. Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I think the problem must be with your mail/news reader. The lisp in David's message is not wrapped. At least, it looks fine when I do Show original in gmail. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 23, 2007 5:20 AM, Ivan Kanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ;; This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by ;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option) ;; any later version. Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I think the problem must be with your mail/news reader. The lisp in David's message is not wrapped. At least, it looks fine when I do Show original in gmail. Argh the embarassment... I have fixed my news reader. Apologies for the noise. -- Ivan http://kanis.fr Only the wise possess ideas; the greater part of mankind are possessed by them. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
On Dec 23, 2007 4:50 PM, Ivan Kanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I decided to finally sit down and read up on GTD and implement simple setup for Org. Do you know there is a book called Getting Things Done ? I suggest you buy it ;) I have not finished it, but I don't think reading stuff on the 'net is a substitute to reading the original book. My two cents. Kind regards, -- Ivan Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope that GTD will magically happen to me. But not quite there yet :-( In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how to sync it with my stuff under org. [In case its not quite obvious, this is quite OT] ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Rustom == Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rustom Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the Rustom opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Rustom Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope Rustom that GTD will magically happen to me. Hmmm. I can *almost* guarantee it won't happen magically. :-) Let's make one thing clear - GTD is not difficult to understand. GTD is really a combination of techniques and habits to make sure you write everything down, review it regularly, and make sure you have the appropriate lists with you when you can actually do something on them, and then DO THEM. Let me repeat that last bit - you must, at some stage, DO THE ACTIONS! If you don't, GTD and org-mode and everything else just becomes an exercise in moving things from one list to another, and frankly there are better and more entertaining ways to waste your time. GTD it is a technique for doing your thinking in advance (at the weekly review), so that when you actually get into work you can just concentrate on 'cranking out the widgets'. David Allen uses the analogy that a widget cranker doesn't go into work and procrastinate or worry about what to do - he just has widgets to crank. Therefore the idea of GTD is that once a week you do your thinking and planning, and the rest of the week, you look at your list and crank widgets. (a bit of an over-simplification of course as you have emails, letters etc coming in constantly which may change your priorities). In my experience, implementing GTD is an initially rapid change in the way you work (implementing your main lists, sorting out a capture system, buying a labeller, setting up your 48 folders, trying to remember to do a weekly review) followed by much slower incremental improvements to the system as you 'get' GTD. And I certainly think that you won't do it without reading the book. Everything you need to understand the principles are in the book. Yes, some of the mailing lists are interesting (the GTD one on yahoo is pretty good), but frankly the book is all you need. Very difficult to implement GTD by looking at websites IMHO. (One reason people try out GTD is because they want to get more work done, because they feel they are drowning in a sea of information, emails, projects etc, and want to get it all under control. It is therefore an exquisite irony that some of these people then spend half their time surfing the net to try to find out how to do GTD better!) Now, implementing GTD in your tool of choice (mine is org-mode) is a different matter - there is more than one way to skin a cat, and org-mode gives you a huge choice in how you de-fur your particular feline. So, don't confuse *understanding* what GTD is all about with the specifics of *implementing* it in org-mode, Outlook, HPDA or whatever. The mailing lists are great for the implementation phase, but until you grasp GTD it probably won't happen for you. The book is very readable. You can read it over a few days. In my opinion, it also bears re-reading. I also bought the set of CD's (which is a recording of David Allen giving his GTD seminar over 2 days) and I listen to those once a year or so just to refresh things in my mind whilst travelling on the train. I pick up new insights and tricks every time I read the book or listen to the CDs. I haven't found the second book to be very helpful. Interesting, yes. Rustom But not quite there yet :-( Use the book, Luke. Rustom In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even Rustom made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how Rustom to sync it with my stuff under org. I use a HPDA - I tend to sit down every Sunday and add stuff from the HPDA to my org-mode file, then chuck the cards away. I also have 14 'diary' cards - 1 card per day for the next 2 weeks, with my appointments on them, and anything I *have* to do that day (eg: deadline for sending off a report) on them. I use this Sunday morning time over a cup of coffee to add such deadlines to the cards, and then review the next 2-4 weeks to see what projects I need to make progress on. I then use org-mode to 'schedule' some of these NEXT actions which are, at the time, important. I used to print out HPDA cards with my different contexts on them (Shopping, Phone, Home, etc) but I found i rarely read them - I am more likely to scan my lists under org-mode as I have a laptop available all the time at home and in work, with emacs open. My advice would be to keep trying new ways to manage your lists. If you find syncing between HPDA and org-mode is too much hassle, you just won't bother, and you will eventually get cheesed off with it as it becomes unmaintainable. If it's not working for you, try another method. For me, HPDA is great as a capture tool and diary tool. plenty of people on GTD-Analog on yahoo use HPDA as their only tool. Horses for courses. Overall, I
[Orgmode] A day in the life with Org - by Sacha Chua
Sacha Chua has written a very useful article about her use of org-mode http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/22/a-day-in-a-life-with-org/ .. complete with blocks of Lisp code Charles ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Installing org-mode on ms-dos an Emacs 20.05
On 2007-12-23 23:22 +, Paul Raestad wrote: I'm trying to install org-mode on an old ms-dos pc without much luck. Installing Emacs 20.05 went quite well, but installing org-mode 5.17 Try Emacs 22+ first. on top of it gives me all kinds of errors. Anybody else tried this? Is there somewhere I can download an older version of org-mode, more compatible with my older Emacs? P -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. Use the best OS -- http://www.fedoraproject.org/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 10:38:50PM +, Pete Phillips wrote: Rustom == Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rustom Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the Rustom opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Rustom Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope Rustom that GTD will magically happen to me. Hmmm. I can *almost* guarantee it won't happen magically. :-) Let's make one thing clear - GTD is not difficult to understand. GTD is really a combination of techniques and habits to make sure you write everything down, review it regularly, and make sure you have the appropriate lists with you when you can actually do something on them, and then DO THEM. [snipped] Really fantastic advice Pete, thanks for sharing. In my experience, implementing GTD is an initially rapid change in the way you work (implementing your main lists, sorting out a capture system, buying a labeller, setting up your 48 folders, trying to remember to do a weekly review) followed by much slower incremental improvements to the system as you 'get' GTD. That's exactly what I found too. I've got the habit of processing and organising; my next step is internalising the habit of regular reviews, and this was my main motivation for getting a Nokia N810 with emacs running on it - because I frequently find myself away from the computer with a few minutes of dead time here or there (travelling etc.) which I could use for reviewing. Once I get this step, I am pretty sure I'll experience a quantum leap forwards in productivity, since currently I've done all the hard work required to have my tasks mapped pretty well with all the right metadata, but I'm not reaping the rewards by regularly reviewing and scheduling based on different views of the data. And I certainly think that you won't do it without reading the book. Everything you need to understand the principles are in the book. Yes, some of the mailing lists are interesting (the GTD one on yahoo is pretty good), but frankly the book is all you need. Very difficult to implement GTD by looking at websites IMHO. The book was enough for me, although there are some fantastic sites which complement it well, e.g. http://zenhabits.net (One reason people try out GTD is because they want to get more work done, because they feel they are drowning in a sea of information, emails, projects etc, and want to get it all under control. It is therefore an exquisite irony that some of these people then spend half their time surfing the net to try to find out how to do GTD better!) So true. I justify org.el hacking on the grounds that it's a life-long investment (emacs will be here forever, right? :-) and it's also fun. Plus being involved in a community which has discussions like this one is really worthwhile in terms of raising my self-awareness and understanding of how I run my life. Now, implementing GTD in your tool of choice (mine is org-mode) is a different matter - there is more than one way to skin a cat, and org-mode gives you a huge choice in how you de-fur your particular feline. So, don't confuse *understanding* what GTD is all about with the specifics of *implementing* it in org-mode, Outlook, HPDA or whatever. The mailing lists are great for the implementation phase, but until you grasp GTD it probably won't happen for you. Absolutely. That's one of the great things about GTD, that it's so relaxed about the specifics, encouraging everyone to find the solution which is best for them. The flip side of this of course is that there is no silver bullet, but as I think Kafka said, paths are made by walking. The book is very readable. You can read it over a few days. In my opinion, it also bears re-reading. I also bought the set of CD's (which is a recording of David Allen giving his GTD seminar over 2 days) and I listen to those once a year or so just to refresh things in my mind whilst travelling on the train. I pick up new insights and tricks every time I read the book or listen to the CDs. Sounds good, I might buy the CDs. Rustom In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even Rustom made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how Rustom to sync it with my stuff under org. I use a HPDA - I tend to sit down every Sunday and add stuff from the HPDA to my org-mode file, then chuck the cards away. I also have 14 'diary' cards - 1 card per day for the next 2 weeks, with my appointments on them, and anything I *have* to do that day (eg: deadline for sending off a report) on them. I use this Sunday morning time over a cup of coffee to add such deadlines to the cards, and then review the next 2-4 weeks to see what projects I need to make progress on. I then use org-mode to 'schedule' some of these NEXT actions which are, at the time, important. I used to print out HPDA cards with my different contexts on them
Re: [Orgmode] hotkeys for org in gnome
On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 11:30:52PM +0530, Rustom Mody wrote: On Dec 22, 2007 9:22 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday, December 17, at 15:20, Adam Spiers wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:27:40AM +0400, Dmitri Minaev wrote: On Dec 15, 2007 8:34 AM, Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there is some way that in addition to activating emacs it is possible to run remember [snipped] I guess that there are -- broadly speaking -- 3 ways of handling this: 1. A programmable window manager 2. Generating arbitrary sequence of events by stuffing the corresponding keys into the window manager using (something like) xrecord 3. Using emacs' own clientserver setup ie emacsclient I have as of now opted for the 3rd option. My setup is as follows: .emacs has the following: (server-start) (defun myserver () (raise-frame) (make-frame-visible) (remember)) gconf-editor-apps-metacity-keybindings-command_1 has the binding: bash -c wmctrl -a emacs; emacsclient -n -e '(myserver)' Actually it has bash -c wmctrl -a emacs-snapshot-gtk; emacsclient.emacs-snapshot -n -e '(myserver)' because of debian peculiarities with respect to emacs 22. And gconf-editor-apps-metacity-global-keybindings has run_command_1 bound to the keystroke mod4e ie Win-e Nice. I'm currently on the 2nd option as documented in a post a few days again, but there's very little difference; in fact it could well be worth me switching to the emacsclient approach as there are a few minor issues with using xmacro. Note that this is not quite satisfactory to me because the raise-frame and the make-frame-visible are both redundant and insufficient. You lost me there. .emacs is only run at startup, after which the window manager can do anything it wants with the positioning and visibility of the frames - or was that your point? Which is why I need the wmctrl. Which is why I need the bash -c. Right. I'm using -c as well. If anyone finds a way of streamlining this please post it! If it's the -c you don't like, you can always dump the commands in a script. That's nice because it gives you more breathing space to do things like error checking on the exit code of the wmctrl. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] hotkeys for org in gnome
On Dec 24, 2007 6:32 AM, Adam Spiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 22, 2007 at 11:30:52PM +0530, Rustom Mody wrote: Note that this is not quite satisfactory to me because the raise-frame and the make-frame-visible are both redundant and insufficient. You lost me there. .emacs is only run at startup, after which the window manager can do anything it wants with the positioning and visibility of the frames - or was that your point? Which is why I need the wmctrl. Which is why I need the bash -c. Right. I'm using -c as well. The requirement is this: I should be able to -- with a single keystroke -- to get from any application into emacs into org mode. However make-frame-visible and raise-frame dont quite work: If emacs is iconized it gets de-iconized but if it is already one of the open windows below some other -- firefox, shell, whatever -- it *remains under that with the emacs tab blinking.* As a consequence Ive got to use the mouse (or shuffle through Alt-Tab). wmctrl does the job. But using it makes for two calls -- wmctrl and emacsclient -- and that makes for a packaging under a (inline) shell-script. If anyone finds a way of streamlining this please post it! If it's the -c you don't like, you can always dump the commands in a script. That's nice because it gives you more breathing space to do things like error checking on the exit code of the wmctrl. What I dont like is having to use a shell call for some functionality that is almost certainly available under elisp. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Thanks Pete for a long and detailed post. Its going into my enlarging list of printouts which are there in the hope that one day I will become a virtuoso org-gtd-er. Reminds me [this is OT-squared] that as a young boy, I wanted to become a pianist. I would spend my time trying to play but even more time listening wide-eyed to the great masters and wondering if they had a couple of extra pairs of hands. Well who knows... I never became much of a pianist but I'll become a virtuoso Org-Gtder and write a book so that other disorganized linux geeks can follow a gentler learning curve towards org-anized heaven. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
