[Orgmode] Can't get tasks [%] and [/] to work

2009-09-01 Thread Michel Blanc
Dear All,

I probably miss something here, but I really cannot get subtasks stats
to work (i.e. what's described in the manual at 5.5 Breaking tasks down
into subtasks).

For instance, in the snippet below :

*** Cage [%]
 DONE Redesign motherboard
 SCHEDULED: 2009-07-29 mer.
 - State DONE   from TODO   [2009-09-01 mar. 10:59]
 DONE Solder motherboard
 SCHEDULED: 2009-07-30 jeu.
 - State DONE   from TODO   [2009-09-01 mar. 10:59]
 DONE Write code
 SCHEDULED: 2009-07-31 ven.
 - State DONE   from TODO   [2009-09-01 mar. 10:59]


All subentries are marked DONE, but the [%] next to cage stays empty.

If I try to force an update with 'C-c #', I get :

*** Cage [0%]

which is also wrong.

Another example is here :

 DONE Web interface [100%]
- [X] Fix lang page
- Implement buttons in web interface [0/1]
  - [ ] Refresh Medias (content)

100% is wrong, since Refresh Medias isn't checked.
(org-hierarchical-todo-statistics is set globally).

I probably messed up things somewhere. If anyone has an idea...

Thanks for reading,

M
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[Orgmode] bad habit (deleting elipses in folded tree)

2009-09-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
I have a bad habit.  How can I defeat it?

Often an elipsis (...) is seen at the bottom of a new entry from a
remember template.  I find myself deleting them, compulsively.  I'm not so
sure, but I THINK that sometimes this is ok, and I now am afraid I have
discovered that at some times a whole bunch of pre-exiisting entries are
deleted when I delete the elipsis.

What's the scoop about elipses?  Which variables are relevant?  Can I defeat
this habit by reconfiguring, or do I have to force myself to have better
habits?

Thank you,

Alan Davis


You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world,  but when
you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird...
So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts.

   Richard Feynman
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Re: [Orgmode] Release 6.30

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose
Hi Carsten,

thanks for another great release of my favorite mode!

 Allow LaTeX export to use the listings package

I will definitively test this one extensively :)
We always wanted to have this, but... Thanks Eric!

I hope to get rid of all that weired stuff I used to typeset source code
as seen in
http://orgmode.org/img/screenshots/vmap-org-export-to-pdf2.jpg


Best wishes

 Sebastian


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Re: [Orgmode] Can't get tasks [%] and [/] to work

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose
Michel Blanc mbl...@erasme.org writes:
 Dear All,

 I probably miss something here, but I really cannot get subtasks stats
 to work (i.e. what's described in the manual at 5.5 Breaking tasks down
 into subtasks).

 For instance, in the snippet below :

 *** Cage [%]
  DONE Redesign motherboard
  SCHEDULED: 2009-07-29 mer.
  - State DONE   from TODO   [2009-09-01 mar. 10:59]
  DONE Solder motherboard
  SCHEDULED: 2009-07-30 jeu.
  - State DONE   from TODO   [2009-09-01 mar. 10:59]
  DONE Write code
  SCHEDULED: 2009-07-31 ven.
  - State DONE   from TODO   [2009-09-01 mar. 10:59]


 All subentries are marked DONE, but the [%] next to cage stays empty.

 If I try to force an update with 'C-c #', I get :

 *** Cage [0%]

 which is also wrong.


`C-c #' is what doesn't work here (not sure why). But moving to some
subheading and pressing `S-LEFT S-RIGHT' will update the top headline
here.



 Another example is here :

  DONE Web interface [100%]
 - [X] Fix lang page
 - Implement buttons in web interface [0/1]
   - [ ] Refresh Medias (content)

 100% is wrong, since Refresh Medias isn't checked.
 (org-hierarchical-todo-statistics is set globally).

 I probably messed up things somewhere. If anyone has an idea...


How should Org-mode know, that there is a nested task? The task `Web
interface' has only children marked as DONE. This is, how it should look
like:

 DONE Web interface [50%]
- [X] Fix lang page
- [ ] Implement buttons in web interface [0/1]
  - [ ] Refresh Medias (content)

There might be a variable I'm not aware of, that changes this behavior
though.


HTH,

   Sebastian


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Re: [Orgmode] bad habit (deleting elipses in folded tree)

2009-09-01 Thread Carsten Dominik

I would NEVER EVER EVER delete naked ellipses, this is dangerous.

Press `C-c C-r' in their vicinity, this should hopefully fix the  
problem.  Otherwise, `M-x show-all' will always do the trick.


- Carsten

On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:


I have a bad habit.  How can I defeat it?

Often an elipsis (...) is seen at the bottom of a new entry from a  
remember template.  I find myself deleting them, compulsively.  I'm  
not so sure, but I THINK that sometimes this is ok, and I now am  
afraid I have discovered that at some times a whole bunch of pre- 
exiisting entries are deleted when I delete the elipsis.


What's the scoop about elipses?  Which variables are relevant?  Can  
I defeat this habit by reconfiguring, or do I have to force myself  
to have better habits?


Thank you,

Alan Davis


You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world,   
but when you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever  
about the bird... So let's look at the bird and see what it's  
doing---that's what counts.


   Richard Feynman

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Re: [Orgmode] bad habit (deleting elipses in folded tree)

2009-09-01 Thread Scot Becker
 I would NEVER EVER EVER delete naked ellipses, this is dangerous.

If Carsten's capital letters don't cure you of the habit, I don't know
what will. :-)

Seriously, try to train yourself to think of those ellipses, as code
for everything productive you did in Emacs over the last excruciating
hour  'cause that's what they (sometimes) stand for.

Always glad to be of help.


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Re: [Orgmode] Can't get tasks [%] and [/] to work

2009-09-01 Thread Michel Blanc
Sebastian Rose a écrit :

 `C-c #' is what doesn't work here (not sure why). But moving to some
 subheading and pressing `S-LEFT S-RIGHT' will update the top headline
 here.

Yes, it works ! Thanks !

 
 
 Another example is here :

  DONE Web interface [100%]
 - [X] Fix lang page
 - Implement buttons in web interface [0/1]
   - [ ] Refresh Medias (content)

 How should Org-mode know, that there is a nested task?

Oh well, if I had any clue how OrgMode works internally, I probably
wouldn't post noob questions here ;)

 This is, how it should look
 like:
 
  DONE Web interface [50%]
 - [X] Fix lang page
 - [ ] Implement buttons in web interface [0/1]
   - [ ] Refresh Medias (content)

Again, you spotted the problem. Thanks a lot for your help Sebastian !

M
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[Orgmode] Re: Release 6.30

2009-09-01 Thread Bernt Hansen
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:

 New command to submit a bug report
 ---

 There is now a special command `M-x org-submit-bug-report'.  This
 command will create a mail buffer with lots of useful details.
 In particular, it contains complete version information for Emacs
 and Org-mode.  It will also (if you agree to it) contain all
 non-standard settings of org-mode and outline-mode related
 variables.  Even if you do not sent your emails from within
 Emacs, please still use this command to generate the information
 and then copy it into your mail program.

 The command will not generate and include a `*Backtrace*' buffer,
 please do this yourself if you have hit an error.  For more
 information, see the [feedback section] of the manual.

 [feedback section]: http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback


This is cool.  There's a minor typo in the mail text - patch follows.

-Bernt


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[Orgmode] [PATCH] Fix typo in org-submit-bug-report mail text

2009-09-01 Thread Bernt Hansen
---
This patch is available at git://git.norang.ca/org-mode for-carsten

 lisp/org.el |2 +-
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el
index c851dc1..113925f 100644
--- a/lisp/org.el
+++ b/lisp/org.el
@@ -15493,7 +15493,7 @@ such private information before sending the email.)
 list))
  nil nil
  Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
-what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?  See
+what in fact did happen.  You don't know how to make a good report?  See
 
  http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback
 
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1.6.4.2.363.g2d6e



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[Orgmode] Re: make update error

2009-09-01 Thread Bernt Hansen
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes:

 Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote:

 git pull counts, compresses, receives objects, resolves deltas,  
 updates and fails with this message:
 
 error: Entry 'Makefile' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
 
 As far as I know Makefile is up-to-date.
 
 You might also want to have a local branch, where you can keep any local
 modifications, e.g. if the changes to the Makefile were deliberate and
 you wanted to keep them, then you could save the Makefile temporarily
 (mv Makefile /tmp/Makefile), do the above commands, then create the local 
 branch:

git branch local

 change to it:

git checkout local

 (note that checkout has a couple of related but different meanings).
 Move the modified Makefile back and commit the changes:

mv /tmp/Makefile .
git commit -a

 When it it time to pull again, you can change back to the (pristine)
 master branch and pull:

git checkout master
git pull

 Then you can rebase your local changes on top of the new bits:

git rebase master local

 It's a good way to keep a few local modifications and carry them forward
 to any new version of org (of course, if the new version and your changes
 change the same area of a file, you might end up with merge conflicts that
 you'll have to resolve: but most of the time, it just works).

There's a description of how to do this local branch with rebase
automagically at 

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#keeping-local-changes-current-with-Org-mode-development

There's not need to change back to the master branch - just pull (with
rebase) into your local branch.

-Bernt


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[Orgmode] git and possibly 6.30 xemacs bug

2009-09-01 Thread Wes Hardaker

The select-frame-set-input-focus function doesn't exist in xemacs, which
was recently added in org-eval-in-calendar.  This seems to be a common
problem as gnus defines this to get around it:

(defun gnus-select-frame-set-input-focus (frame)
  Select FRAME, raise it, and set input focus, if possible.
  (cond ((featurep 'xemacs)
 (if (fboundp 'select-frame-set-input-focus)
 (select-frame-set-input-focus frame)
   (raise-frame frame)
   (select-frame frame)
   (focus-frame frame)))
;; `select-frame-set-input-focus' defined in Emacs 21 will not
;; set the input focus.
((= emacs-major-version 22)
 (select-frame-set-input-focus frame))
(t
 (raise-frame frame)
 (select-frame frame)
 (cond ((memq window-system '(x ns mac))
(x-focus-frame frame))
   ((eq window-system 'w32)
(w32-focus-frame frame)))
 (when focus-follows-mouse
   (set-mouse-position frame (1- (frame-width frame)) 0)

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[Orgmode] Re: make update error

2009-09-01 Thread Nick Dokos
Bernt Hansen be...@norang.ca wrote:

 Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes:
 
  Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote:
 
  git pull counts, compresses, receives objects, resolves deltas,  
  updates and fails with this message:
  
  error: Entry 'Makefile' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
  
 
  SNIP

 There's a description of how to do this local branch with rebase
 automagically at 
 
 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#keeping-local-changes-current-with-Org-mode-development
 
 There's not need to change back to the master branch - just pull (with
 rebase) into your local branch.
 

Nice! Thanks for pointing that out (the document *and* the method).

Nick


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[Orgmode] Org-mode version 6.30 (release_6.30.dirty); col / must be an empty tag

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose

Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?  See

 http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.


There is no /col in XHTML. This patch fixes it:

diff --git a/lisp/org-html.el b/lisp/org-html.el
index 197e186..0968776 100644
--- a/lisp/org-html.el
+++ b/lisp/org-html.el
@@ -1642,7 +1642,7 @@ lang=\%s\ xml:lang=\%s\
   (push (mapconcat
 	 (lambda (x)
 	   (setq gr (pop org-table-colgroup-info))
-	   (format %scol align=\%s\/col%s
+	   (format %scol align=\%s\ /%s
 		   (if (memq gr '(:start :startend))
 			   (prog1
 			   (if colgropen /colgroup\ncolgroup colgroup)





Best wishes

  Sebastian


Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1)
 of 2009-08-18 on beteigeuze
Package: Org-mode version 6.30 (release_6.30.dirty)
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Keyword completion.

2009-09-01 Thread Noorul Islam
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Nick Dokosnicholas.do...@hp.com wrote:
 Noorul Islam gnu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Matt Lundinm...@imapmail.org wrote:
  Noorul Islam wrote:
 
  On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Matt Lundinm...@imapmail.org wrote:
   Noorul Islam gnu...@gmail.com writes:
  
   In an org-file I typed in #+A followed by ESC-Tab. I got a completion
   list window in which I clicked on AUTHOR using mouse . It actually
   replaced everything in the line with AUTHOR. I think it should have
   inserted AUTHOR after #+ which is the behavior when we try to complete
   with ESC-TAB.
  
   I can't replicate this. With completion,
  
   #+A
  
   becomes
  
   #+AUTHOR
 
  Did you use the mouse for selection?
 
  Yes. I tried it both with the mouse and with RET.
 

 I tried again,

 My emacs version.

 GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of
 2008-06-21 on noorul

 Did anyone else face the same problem?


 I can't reproduce this either:

 #+A bcd

 put the cursor after A, hit Esc-TAB, click on AUTHOR, I get

 #+AUTHOR: bcd

 I tried both with and without the bcd part - works fine in either case.

 Version info:

 GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2009-08-09 on 
 gamaville.dokosmarshall.org
 Org-mode version 6.29trans (release_6.29c.55.ga48f)


This works on my work laptop. It looks like something is wrong with my
personal laptop setup.

Thanks
Noorul


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[Orgmode] Repeated Tasks

2009-09-01 Thread Noorul Islam
Hello list,

I have a requirement for calculating the time spent on repetitive
task. Say for example checking mails. I don't have a specific schedule
or deadline for this task.

* TODO Check Mail

I went through this document,
http://orgmode.org/org.html#Repeated-tasks. The methodologies
mentioned in the document requires a scheduled date or a deadline
which I don't have in this scenario.

For time being, I do the following.

1. Change TODO to STARTED
2. Clock-In
3. Check mail. After checking mail return to org file.
4. Clock-out
5. Change STARTED to TODO

I have feeling that what I am doing is not a cool method.

What you guys do in such situation?

Thanks and Regards
Noorul


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Re: [Orgmode] Repeated Tasks

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose
Hi Noorul,







Noorul Islam gnu...@gmail.com writes:
 Hello list,

 I have a requirement for calculating the time spent on repetitive
 task. Say for example checking mails. I don't have a specific schedule
 or deadline for this task.

 * TODO Check Mail

 I went through this document,
 http://orgmode.org/org.html#Repeated-tasks. The methodologies
 mentioned in the document requires a scheduled date or a deadline
 which I don't have in this scenario.

 For time being, I do the following.

 1. Change TODO to STARTED
 2. Clock-In
 3. Check mail. After checking mail return to org file.
 4. Clock-out
 5. Change STARTED to TODO


how about:


1. On the `TODO Check Mail' headline, clock in:

   C-c C-x C-i

2. Check mail

3. On the `TODO Check Mail' headline, clock out:

   C-c C-x C-o


Note, that you can use the menu from the clock display in the modeline
to clock out again.


Best wishes

 Sebastian


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Re: [Orgmode] org-todo-keywords prompt for note

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose
Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com writes:
 Hello,

 When marking an item as DONE, I would like to be able to press n
 if I want to leave a note, and press d to just mark the item as DONE.

 I've tried using this trick:

 (setq org-todo-keywords '(
 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(n@/@) DONE(d!))


 I also tried this:

 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(n@/@))
 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(d!))

 But neither kludge would prompt me for a note when I press Ctrl-C Ctrl-T n

 I realize this is picky, because I can manually insert a note before marking
 an item as DONE.  I'm just wondering if anyone knows a way that two
 shortcuts can be defined for the same TODO state, with one of the
 shortcuts prompting for a note.




(setq org-todo-keywords (quote (TODO STARTED | DONE@)))

works here. Note, that org chooses the first letter of the todo keyword
in lowercase automatically if you press C-c C-t, so there's no need for
TODO(t) et al.



  Sebastian


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Re: [Orgmode] org-todo-keywords prompt for note

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose
 Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com writes:
 Hello,

 When marking an item as DONE, I would like to be able to press n
 if I want to leave a note, and press d to just mark the item as DONE.

 I've tried using this trick:

 (setq org-todo-keywords '(
 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(n@/@) DONE(d!))


 I also tried this:

 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(n@/@))
 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(d!))

 But neither kludge would prompt me for a note when I press Ctrl-C Ctrl-T n

 I realize this is picky, because I can manually insert a note before marking
 an item as DONE.  I'm just wondering if anyone knows a way that two
 shortcuts can be defined for the same TODO state, with one of the
 shortcuts prompting for a note.




 (setq org-todo-keywords (quote (TODO STARTED | DONE@)))

 works here. Note, that org chooses the first letter of the todo keyword
 in lowercase automatically if you press C-c C-t, so there's no need for
 TODO(t) et al.



I just found I use the trick including the keydefinition in my own setup
:) which is superfluous:


(setq org-todo-keywords (quote (TODO STARTED | DONE CANCELED(c@


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Re: [Orgmode] org-todo-keywords prompt for note

2009-09-01 Thread Sebastian Rose
Hi Nathan,


Sorry for my typo (see below).

Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes:
 Nathan Neff nathan.n...@gmail.com writes:
 Hello,

 When marking an item as DONE, I would like to be able to press n
 if I want to leave a note, and press d to just mark the item as DONE.

 I've tried using this trick:

 (setq org-todo-keywords '(
 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(n@/@) DONE(d!))


 I also tried this:

 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(n@/@))
 (sequence TODO(t) STARTED(s) | DONE(d!))

 But neither kludge would prompt me for a note when I press Ctrl-C Ctrl-T n

 I realize this is picky, because I can manually insert a note before marking
 an item as DONE.  I'm just wondering if anyone knows a way that two
 shortcuts can be defined for the same TODO state, with one of the
 shortcuts prompting for a note.




 (setq org-todo-keywords (quote (TODO STARTED | DONE@)))


Pardon me, this should be:

  (setq org-todo-keywords (quote (TODO STARTED | DONE(@



I found you'll have to close and open the Org file in question again to
make it work.



BTW: What's your value of the variable `org-todo-interpretation' ?
 Maybe add these lines to your setup:

 (setq org-todo-interpretation (quote sequence))
 (setq org-todo-keywords (quote (TODO STARTED | DONE(@


HTH

  Sebastian


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Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode version 6.30 (release_6.30.dirty); col / must be an empty tag

2009-09-01 Thread Carsten Dominik

WOW!  The first bug report with the new function!!! :-)

Applied, thanks.

- Carsten

On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:



Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
what in fact did happen.  You don't know hoe to make a good report?   
See


http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.


There is no /col in XHTML. This patch fixes it:

diff --git a/lisp/org-html.el b/lisp/org-html.el
index 197e186..0968776 100644
--- a/lisp/org-html.el
+++ b/lisp/org-html.el
@@ -1642,7 +1642,7 @@ lang=\%s\ xml:lang=\%s\
  (push (mapconcat
 (lambda (x)
   (setq gr (pop org-table-colgroup-info))
-  (format %scol align=\%s\/col%s
+  (format %scol align=\%s\ /%s
   (if (memq gr '(:start :startend))
   (prog1
   (if colgropen /colgroup\ncolgroup 
colgroup)





Best wishes

 Sebastian


Emacs  : GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version  
2.16.1)

of 2009-08-18 on beteigeuze
Package: Org-mode version 6.30 (release_6.30.dirty)
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[Orgmode] Usability idea: color coding items with priorities in agenda

2009-09-01 Thread PT
The agenda list would be easier to parse with the eye if each
priority level (A, B, C) had its own face. This way the user
could optionally set a background color for these priorities, so
priority items would stand out from the todo list.



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[Orgmode] Re: make update error

2009-09-01 Thread Thomas S. Dye

On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:07 AM, Bernt Hansen wrote:


Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes:


Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote:


git pull counts, compresses, receives objects, resolves deltas,
updates and fails with this message:

error: Entry 'Makefile' not uptodate. Cannot merge.

As far as I know Makefile is up-to-date.

You might also want to have a local branch, where you can keep any  
local
modifications, e.g. if the changes to the Makefile were deliberate  
and

you wanted to keep them, then you could save the Makefile temporarily
(mv Makefile /tmp/Makefile), do the above commands, then create the  
local branch:


  git branch local

change to it:

  git checkout local

(note that checkout has a couple of related but different meanings).
Move the modified Makefile back and commit the changes:

  mv /tmp/Makefile .
  git commit -a

When it it time to pull again, you can change back to the (pristine)
master branch and pull:

  git checkout master
  git pull

Then you can rebase your local changes on top of the new bits:

  git rebase master local

It's a good way to keep a few local modifications and carry them  
forward
to any new version of org (of course, if the new version and your  
changes
change the same area of a file, you might end up with merge  
conflicts that

you'll have to resolve: but most of the time, it just works).


There's a description of how to do this local branch with rebase
automagically at

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#keeping-local-changes-current-with-Org-mode-development

There's not need to change back to the master branch - just pull (with
rebase) into your local branch.

-Bernt


Aloha Nick and Bernt,

Thanks for the very useful advice and the pointer to the FAQ that  
deals specifically with my situation.  I very much appreciate not  
receiving a RTFM reply.


It turns out I had edited the top of the Makefile, per the  
instructions, to configure it to my Mac setup.  To my mind, this edit  
was a configuration and not a local change.  When I looked through  
the FAQ I didn't stop to read How can I keep local changes and still  
track Org mode development because I hadn't made any changes to the  
lisp source of org-mode, so thought I couldn't possibly have made a  
local change.   I think I can see now how the distinction I was  
making between a local change and a configuration isn't sensible  
from a developer's point of view, but I'm not sure I would have been  
able to do so without falling back on my graduate school training in  
linguistic anthropology!


I'm looking forward to isolating my local changes from the master  
branch, a task I am scheduling now with C-c r ...


All the best,
Tom


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Re: [Orgmode] Repeated Tasks

2009-09-01 Thread Noorul Islam
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Sebastian Rosesebastian_r...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hi Noorul,







 Noorul Islam gnu...@gmail.com writes:
 Hello list,

 I have a requirement for calculating the time spent on repetitive
 task. Say for example checking mails. I don't have a specific schedule
 or deadline for this task.

 * TODO Check Mail

 I went through this document,
 http://orgmode.org/org.html#Repeated-tasks. The methodologies
 mentioned in the document requires a scheduled date or a deadline
 which I don't have in this scenario.

 For time being, I do the following.

 1. Change TODO to STARTED
 2. Clock-In
 3. Check mail. After checking mail return to org file.
 4. Clock-out
 5. Change STARTED to TODO


 how about:


 1. On the `TODO Check Mail' headline, clock in:

   C-c C-x C-i

 2. Check mail

 3. On the `TODO Check Mail' headline, clock out:

   C-c C-x C-o


 Note, that you can use the menu from the clock display in the modeline
 to clock out again.



Thanks for the suggestion. Sometimes I do that also. But that won't
change the mod-line status saying that I am Checking Mails.

Thanks
Noorul


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[Orgmode] Re: RSI

2009-09-01 Thread Samuel Wales
Clarification.

On 2009-09-01, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ideally, the most important c-c and c-x operations would be on the
 lhs.  That way, you can hold down ctrl and press the two keys.

I mean c-c c-letter not c-c letter here.

-- 
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and severe suffering.  Conflicts of interest are destroying
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Re: [Orgmode] RSI

2009-09-01 Thread Keith Lancaster
Emacs can definitely lead to RSI - Richard Stallman, the creator,  
developed it.


I am quite prone to RSI, which led me to VIM due to its modal  
operation (very few modifier key combos). I used VIM for quite a while  
and did not have any issues, but org-mode pulled me to emacs. I now  
use a kinesis keyboard and have no RSI issues. The keyboard combined  
with the idea expressed below that you use different hands when  
pressing control key combinations has really helped. The Kinesis puts  
all the control keys (control, meta, command) on your thumbs. Its  
expensive, but worth every penny to me at least. Check them out at http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/


Keith


On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:


Orgers,

Repetitive strain injury is real and important.

One thing that you can do is to ensure that you have a keyboard that
has modifier keys on both sides.  You should pound a new habit into
your cerebellum: use two hands.

For example, c-c c-o should look like this:

 r hand presses ctrl
 l hand presses c
 let go
 l hand presses ctrl
 r hand presses o
 let go

This is obviously inefficient, but it is the correct thing.

Ideally, the most important c-c and c-x operations would be on the
lhs.  That way, you can hold down ctrl and press the two keys.

Many (maybe even most) will find this idea strange.  But I urge all of
you to try it for a few months.


On 2009-09-01, PT spamfilteracco...@gmail.com wrote:

Matt Lundin mdl at imapmail.org writes:


An aside: Swapping caps-lock and control makes C-c a very convenient
key combination.



If things come that one can also configure e.g. the right control
key as a special prefix key which makes such combinations even
more convenient, because unlike C-c a you can press Rctrl a
with two hands.

In case of right handed people the right control key is usually
unused, so it's practical to use it for something else than it's
original purpose.





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[Orgmode] Re: RSI

2009-09-01 Thread PT
Samuel Wales samologist at gmail.com writes:

 
 One thing that you can do is to ensure that you have a keyboard that
 has modifier keys on both sides.  You should pound a new habit into
 your cerebellum: use two hands.
 
 ...
 
 Many (maybe even most) will find this idea strange.  But I urge all of
 you to try it for a few months.


I agree it's a good idea. 

For those who think this approach is too radical I recommend
trying out sticky keys as an alternative which also alleviates a
bit the effects of the finger killing C-x/C-c and similar
combinations:

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers



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Re: [Orgmode] Usability idea: color coding items with priorities in agenda

2009-09-01 Thread Samuel Wales
Try c-h v org-priority-faces.

-- 
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and severe suffering.  Conflicts of interest are destroying
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Re: [Orgmode] Release 6.30

2009-09-01 Thread Andrew Hyatt
Hi Carsten,

Thanks for the release!  The dedicated frame patch does not actually
appear to be in this release, though.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Carsten
Dominikcarsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I am releasing Org-mode version 6.30.

 Enjoy!

 - Carsten

             Changes in Version 6.30
             ===

 Inconsistent changes
 ~

 Agenda now uses `f' and `b' to move through time
 =

 Up to now, the Org-mode agenda used the cursor keys `left' and
 `right' to switch the agenda view forward an backward through
 time.  However, many people found this confusing, and others
 wanted to be able to do cursor motion in the agenda, for example
 to select text.  Therefore, after an extensive discussion on
 `emacs-orgm...@gnu.org', it was decided to use the `b' and
 `f' keys instead, and to let the cursor keys do cursor motion
 again.

 Agenda follow mode is now on the `F' key
 =

 This was necessary to free up the `f' key, see above.

 Details
 

 Maintenance
 

 New command to submit a bug report
 ---

 There is now a special command `M-x org-submit-bug-report'.  This
 command will create a mail buffer with lots of useful details.
 In particular, it contains complete version information for Emacs
 and Org-mode.  It will also (if you agree to it) contain all
 non-standard settings of org-mode and outline-mode related
 variables.  Even if you do not sent your emails from within
 Emacs, please still use this command to generate the information
 and then copy it into your mail program.

 The command will not generate and include a `*Backtrace*' buffer,
 please do this yourself if you have hit an error.  For more
 information, see the [feedback section] of the manual.

 [feedback section]: http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

 New contributed package org-track.el
 -

 This package allows to keep up-to-date with current Org
 development, using only Emacs on-board means.  So if you don't
 want or cannot use `git', but still want to run the latest and
 hottest Org-mode, this is for you.

 Thanks to Sebastian Rose for this contribution.

 Agenda
 ===

 Agenda now uses `f' and `b' to move through time
 -

 Up to now, the Org-mode agenda used the cursor keys `left' and
 `right' to switch the agenda view forward an backward through
 time.  However, many people found this confusing, and others
 wanted to be able to do cursor motion in the agenda, for example
 to select text.  Therefore, after an extensive discussion on
 `emacs-orgm...@gnu.org', it was decided to use the `b' and
 `f' keys instead, and to let the cursor keys do cursor motion
 again.

 Agenda follow mode is now on the `F' key
 -

 This was necessary to free up the `f' key, see above.

 The agenda can be put into a dedicated frame
 -

 When the variable `org-agenda-window-setup' has the value
 `separate-frame', then the new frame created to show the agenda
 will now have the window marked as /dedicated/.  As a
 consequence, exiting the agenda while the agenda is the only
 window on the frame will kill that frame.

 This was a request by Henry Atting.

 New mode to show some entry body text in the agenda
 

 There is now a new agenda sub-mode called
 `org-agenda-entry-text-mode'.  It is toggled with the `E' key.
 When active, all entries in the agenda will be accompanied by a
 few lines from the outline entry.  The amount of text can be
 customized with the variable `org-agenda-entry-text-maxlines'.

 This was a request by Anthony Fairchild, Manish, and others.

 Improve following links from the agenda
 

 `C-c C-o' in the agenda will now offer all links in the headline
 and text of an entry.  If there is only a single link, it will be
 followed immediately.

 Avoid some duplicate entries
 -

 There is a new variable that can be used to avoid some duplicate
 agenda entries: `org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-deadline-is-shown'
 If that is set, it avoids that an entry shows up in the agenda for
 today for both a scheduling and a deadline entry.  See the
 docstring of the variables for more details.

 This partially addresses a request by Samuel Wales.

 Mark the running clock in the agenda.
 --

 If the entry currently being clocked is present in the agenda, it
 will be highlighted with the face `org-agenda-clocking'.

 This was a request by Rainer Stengele.


 Export
 ===

 Allow LaTeX export to use the listings package
 ---

 The LaTeX `listings' package can now be used for formatting
 fontified 

Re: [Orgmode] bad habit (deleting elipses in folded tree)

2009-09-01 Thread Daniel Clemente
El mar, sep 01 2009 a les 11:32, Alan E. Davis va escriure:
 What's the scoop about elipses?  Which variables are relevant?  Can I defeat
 this habit by reconfiguring, or do I have to force myself to have better
 habits?

  You can change how the ellipsis look so that you are more careful and don't 
confuse them with 3 normal dots which could appear anywhere...

  For instance:
 (setq org-ellipsis 〖 ✎ 〗)

  Or just give it a more visible face, like in:
(setq org-ellipsis (quote org-column))

  I use another face and I don't attempt anymore to delete hidden text. [1]
  In addition I use … to write ellipsis myself, thus I notice the difference 
between … and ...

-- Daniel


[1] I only do it when I hit some org-mode bug which allows you to edit 
invisible text while it still shows the ellipsis; this happens specially at the 
end of buffers (narrowed or not).




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Re: [Orgmode] bad habit (deleting elipses in folded tree)

2009-09-01 Thread Alan E. Davis
Well noted.

Alan

You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world,  but when
you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird...
So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts.

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Re: [Orgmode] Unnecessary comma escapes in HTML export of #+INCLUDE files

2009-09-01 Thread Hsiu-Khuern Tang
* On Fri 05:45AM +, 24 Jul 2009, Tang, Hsiu-Khuern 
(hsiu-khuern.t...@hp.com) wrote:
 * On Fri 01:22AM +, 24 Jul 2009, Bastien (bastiengue...@googlemail.com) 
 wrote:
  Hi Hsiu-Khuern,
  
  I've just pushed a fix for this: when the src switch is present,
  including a file won't escape org-like lines.  With a bare #+include 
  we still escape lines starting with * or #.
  
  Please test it and report any problem. 
 
 It works beautifully now.  Thank you very much for the fix!

It looks Org has reverted to the old behavior: inserting a comma at a beginning
of every line in the #INCLUDE'd file that starts with whitespace followed by #.

For example, if you export this as ascii (see
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/15718):

File 1: a.org
==
* test

#+INCLUDE: a.sh src sh
==

File 2: a.sh
==
#!/bin/sh

 ## shell comment
echo This is a test
==

the output contains the line , ## shell comment.

Related question: what git commands does one use to obtain all the commits that
changed a particular range of lines in a file?  I'm quite lost with git.

-- 
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Re: [Orgmode] Unnecessary comma escapes in HTML export of #+INCLUDE files

2009-09-01 Thread Nick Dokos
Hsiu-Khuern Tang hsiu-khuern.t...@hp.com wrote:

 * On Fri 05:45AM +, 24 Jul 2009, Tang, Hsiu-Khuern 
 (hsiu-khuern.t...@hp.com) wrote:
  * On Fri 01:22AM +, 24 Jul 2009, Bastien (bastiengue...@googlemail.com) 
  wrote:
   Hi Hsiu-Khuern,
   
   I've just pushed a fix for this: when the src switch is present,
   including a file won't escape org-like lines.  With a bare #+include 
   we still escape lines starting with * or #.
   
   Please test it and report any problem. 
  
  It works beautifully now.  Thank you very much for the fix!
 
 It looks Org has reverted to the old behavior: inserting a comma at a 
 beginning
 of every line in the #INCLUDE'd file that starts with whitespace followed by 
 #.
 
 For example, if you export this as ascii (see
 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/15718):
 
 File 1: a.org
 ==
 * test
 
 #+INCLUDE: a.sh src sh
 ==
 
 File 2: a.sh
 ==
 #!/bin/sh
 
  ## shell comment
 echo This is a test
 ==
 
 the output contains the line , ## shell comment.
 
 Related question: what git commands does one use to obtain all the commits 
 that
 changed a particular range of lines in a file?  I'm quite lost with git.
 

There was some churn for this particular functionality, but since I
don't really understand what is *supposed* to happen, I'll just refer
you (and Carsten and Bastien, both of whom made -possibly conflicting-
changes to this functionality) to the following exchange in the archive,
hoping it will shed some light and lead to a satisfactory resolution for
all involved:

   http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/16244/focus=16259


The relevant commits are

68b65e8f480c17cfe1024001c236eb4065893f4d

and

dfd3749a273cc9f9a1d954363ea6de87049d17a7

Thanks,
Nick


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Re: [Orgmode] Unnecessary comma escapes in HTML export of #+INCLUDE files

2009-09-01 Thread Hsiu-Khuern Tang
* On Tue 10:47PM +, 01 Sep 2009, Dokos, Nicholas (nicholas.do...@hp.com) 
wrote:
 Hsiu-Khuern Tang hsiu-khuern.t...@hp.com wrote:
  It looks Org has reverted to the old behavior: inserting a comma at a 
  beginning
  of every line in the #INCLUDE'd file that starts with whitespace followed 
  by #.
  
  For example, if you export this as ascii (see
  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/15718):
  
  File 1: a.org
  ==
  * test
  
  #+INCLUDE: a.sh src sh
  ==
  
  File 2: a.sh
  ==
  #!/bin/sh
  
   ## shell comment
  echo This is a test
  ==
  
  the output contains the line , ## shell comment.
  
  Related question: what git commands does one use to obtain all the commits 
  that
  changed a particular range of lines in a file?  I'm quite lost with git.
  
 
 There was some churn for this particular functionality, but since I
 don't really understand what is *supposed* to happen, I'll just refer
 you (and Carsten and Bastien, both of whom made -possibly conflicting-
 changes to this functionality) to the following exchange in the archive,
 hoping it will shed some light and lead to a satisfactory resolution for
 all involved:
 
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/16244/focus=16259
 
 
 The relevant commits are
 
 68b65e8f480c17cfe1024001c236eb4065893f4d
 
 and
 
 dfd3749a273cc9f9a1d954363ea6de87049d17a7
 
 Thanks,
 Nick

Thanks for pointing me to the relevant commits, both of which changed the
org-get-file-contents function.  I'm not sure what the correct behavior for
that function is, since it may ultimately be used for different purposes, e.g.,
to generate an agenda and for exporting.  For exporting to various formats, is
there any reason to escape Org-like lines -- headers and comments -- of an
#INCLUDE'd file, since the file contents are indented in the output anyway and
so there can be no confusion?  I'm not sure that the indentation occurs for all
export formats, but it seems to be the case for ASCII and HTML export.

At any rate, the docstring of org-get-file-contents is inconsistent with the
behavior:

If MARKUP, don't protect org-like lines, the exporter will
take care of the block they are in.

It is actually protecting org-like lines when the markup is src or example.

-- 
Best,
Hsiu-Khuern.


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[Orgmode] Re: small emacs for using org on Android

2009-09-01 Thread news
Sven Bretfeld sven.bretf...@gmx.ch writes:

 n...@aleblanc.cotse.net writes:

can anyone recommend a small emacs implementation that will run org?
I have Debian running on my G1 phone (see here:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsOnAndroid), 
and have been running Emacs 22 on it successfully. 
However it doesn't leave me much memory for other apps.

 If you have a flatrate and if you don't mind to have a computer
 constantly running at home, you can use the Android app ConnectBot (or
 normal ssh on Debian) to do your Emacs work including org stuff. This is
 much easier and faster than running Emacs on the phone itself.

Actually I find it significantly slower using ssh - there is a
noticeable lag. I only really want to use it for org-mode so I don't
need any heavy computation.
However I must admit I get a more reliable cursor position using SSH
(with a local connection it is sometimes off by a line).


-- 
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Re: [Orgmode] small emacs for using org on Android

2009-09-01 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi,

please remember a org-file is still (and thankfully and amazingly) a plain text 
file. As long as you are not going to make big changes, any other (smaller) 
text editor will do, e.g., nano, pico, *cough* vim *cough*.
I found myself comfortable to export the org-file to html and display it in my 
E-ink Ebook reader. Not able to edit it but reading my notes and thought like 
on printed paper is nice :)

Greetings

Totti

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[Orgmode] Re: Usability idea: color coding items with priorities in agenda

2009-09-01 Thread PT
Nick Dokos nicholas.dokos at hp.com writes:

 
 You missed the *other* variable 
 
  C-h v org-agenda-fontify-priorities RET
 

Damn! Org is again a step ahead of me. :D


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