Re: [O] [OT] A new web browser‽

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Marcin Borkowski writes:

> https://vivaldi.com/
>
> Did anyone hear about it?  Any thoughts/experiences?  "Taking notes
> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no?
> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or
> (hopefully) configurable ones.  I, for one, would like to try it out,
> though I do not have too high hopes.
>
> Best,

It looks interesting, but not interesting enough to replace
Icecat/Firefox for me.

What would be interesting enough to replace it for me: getting browser
sandboxing in place.  This is the one thing that makes Chromium more
appealing than Firefox/Icecat right now... but since all we have is
Icecat, that's what I'm using here!

 - Chris

Re: [O] FSF copyright assignment

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Rasmus writes:

> Arun Isaac  writes:
>
>> How long does FSF copyright assignment typically take? I sent a request
>> around 2 weeks ago (on December 26), but haven't received a reply yet.
>>
>> Does it usually take this long? Should I resend my copyright
>> assignment request?
>
> Are you talking about a physical letter or an email requesting to get the
> form?  If the latter, I think you can ping them again.  Though, it was
> just holiday, so they might have a backtrack.
>
> Rasmus

I believe there is now also a GPG based signature option available in
many cases for copyright assignment.  It may be worth asking about.

Re: [O] Problems with habit graph in the master branch

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Bernt Hansen writes:

 Hi,

 I tried out the master branch today and the habit graph seems to be
 broken.

 Habits display as normal repeating tasks in commit

 40f2b88 (Open outer link on nested links, 2014-11-20)

 and work normally in commit

 7429f35 (Merge branch 'maint', 2014-10-22)

 Sorry I don't have time to track down the problem commit at the moment.

 Regards,
 Bernt

org-habit graph also not rendering here in master.

Re: [O] Turn subscript off by default?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Sebastien Vauban writes:

 Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
 In more documents than not, it seems I see someone do something like

   foo_bar

 Common, of course, because most orgmode users are programmers.

 Of course this results in the super awkward rendering of
 foo(subscripted:bar).

 I can't remember *ever* making use of subscript in an orgmode document,
 though I and many others have run into problems with it... why not
 switch the default for subscript to off?

 Put

   (setq org-use-sub-superscripts '{})

 in your .emacs file.

 Best regards,
   Seb

Helpful!  And indeed, I was discussing defaults, since I get a lot of
exports from others who don't know about this variable... maybe this
should be default behavior?

[O] Turn subscript off by default?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello all,

In more documents than not, it seems I see someone do something like

  foo_bar

Common, of course, because most orgmode users are programmers.

Of course this results in the super awkward rendering of
foo(subscripted:bar).

I can't remember *ever* making use of subscript in an orgmode document,
though I and many others have run into problems with it... why not
switch the default for subscript to off?

 - Chris

Re: [O] habit-only agenda that doesn't remove tasks when done?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

noo...@noorul.com writes:

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hello,

 I'd like to have a habit-only agenda view, if possible, that looks a bit
 like:


 Morning habits
 --

 life:  TODO Shave   [   * *  ** !]  habit::morning:
 rsi:   TODO morning stretches   [  **   ****   *!]  habit::morning:

 Night habits
 

 life:  TODO Exercise[   * *  ** !]  habit::night:


 ... and maybe an other category for cathing the rest.

 I'd also like to have these habits not drop off the agenda view when I
 move them to DONE if possible.  However, I'm getting the sense that this
 isn't possible... it seems like the habit system works with
 agendas-only, and there's no way to say give me an agenda with only
 these certain things on it.

 Did you try the following custom command?

   (h Habits tags-todo STYLE=\habit\
((org-agenda-overriding-header Habits)
 (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
  '(todo-state-down effort-up category-keep

 Thanks and Regards
 Noorul

Never noticed this reply till now...

Yes, I tried it; unfortunately it does not show the habit graph, that
only displays in the agenda, and the above version uses tags-todo.

I'd like to be able to show habits, *with* the graph though.  The only
way to do that seems to be through the agenda, and the match
parameter of agenda custom commands doesn't seem to support the agenda.

I finally figured out a solution:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
  (defun cwebber/skip-unless-habit ()
Checks to see if the style at point is \habit\
(if (not (equal (org-entry-get (point) STYLE) habit))
; Skip till the next heading
(progn (outline-next-heading) (1- (point)
  
  (setq org-agenda-custom-commands
'((h Habits
   ((agenda
 
 ((org-habit-show-all-today t)
  (org-agenda-skip-function 'cwebber/skip-unless-habit)))
#+END_SRC

This solution works.  It allows me to pull up just the habits, including
those that have already been done today.

There's only one thing left to do that would make it awesome, and that
would be to make it so that the ones that are now already done said DONE
instead of TODO still.

Other than that, this seems to be kinda working-ish.

[O] habit-only agenda that doesn't remove tasks when done?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello,

I'd like to have a habit-only agenda view, if possible, that looks a bit
like:


Morning habits
--

life:  TODO Shave   [   * *  ** !]  habit::morning:
rsi:   TODO morning stretches   [  **   ****   *!]  habit::morning:

Night habits


life:  TODO Exercise[   * *  ** !]  habit::night:


... and maybe an other category for cathing the rest.

I'd also like to have these habits not drop off the agenda view when I
move them to DONE if possible.  However, I'm getting the sense that this
isn't possible... it seems like the habit system works with
agendas-only, and there's no way to say give me an agenda with only
these certain things on it.

Or, alternate option: is it possible to highlight a task with a certain
tag with a certain color?  Like, highlight tags with morning as blue,
or something?  I've looked at the way org-habit does it, it looks like
I'd have to do something like the following:

 - add a hook to org-agenda-finalize-hook
 - walk through the agenda and highlight the morning tasks manually

I could do that.

The reason for this is I have morning-specific tasks, and I always
narrow just to the morning tasks and then ignore the rest of the habits
for the day.  I'd like to get a view where I see both so I don't forget
to do the rest of the habits for the day.  Yes, I know that sounds
strange :)

There probably aren't easy answers to this, but if there are and I've
been missing them, I'd love to know! :)

 - Chris

Re: [O] advice needed: how do you guys sync org files between devices?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Ian Barton writes:

 On 01/07/13 13:06, Xebar Saram wrote:
 Hi all

 I have been using dropbox since i started using orgmode a few weeks ago
 (yeah im a neewb :)), which kinda works but i find it very annoying as
 it keeps creating conflicted copies, isnt reliable on my Linux main
 machine etc etc..

 I was wondering what you guys do for syncing org files between PC's,
 Os's, devices (android etc)..


 I used to use Dropbox and git. However, as you have found I often got 
 Conflicted Files. This is a particular problem if it happens in your 
 .git folder, because it can lead to a corrupt git repo. Even though I 
 have a remote git repo, this still lead to lots of wasted time trying to 
 sort out the mess.

 Recently I have been using BitTorrent Sync from 
 http://labs.bittorrent.com/experiments/sync.html So far this works 
 really well. If you are using Linux you need to do a bit of fiddling to 
 get it to run as your local user, as it doesn't preserve file 
 permissions. So if you are running it as a daemon files at the remote 
 end all get up being owned by root.

 The default is for two way synchronization. However, it's easy to set up 
 one way sync. This is useful for backups. If you accidentally made a 
 change in your backup, you wouldn't want it pushed back to your aster 
 version.

 I also run a cron job on my laptop, which is my main work machine. Every 
 hour this commits my org files to my git repo and pushes the changes to 
 my remote on a different computer.

 Ian.

Have you considered using git-annex with git-annex assistant?  I'm doing
this now... it automatically syncs on each file save.  I also have it
set up so that orgmode files get checked in as if regular git files
rather than moved to the annex like:

[annex]
# uuid and version keys up here
largefiles = largerthan=100kb and not (include=*.org or 
include=*.org_archive or include=*.txt or include=*.tex)

This will thus commit any files  100kb and orgmode / latex files as
just plain git files instead of moving them to the annex.

I highly, highly recommend this setup.
 - Chris

Re: [O] [PATCH] Respect org-export-babel-evaluate on export

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Here's such a file.  The exact contents of it don't really matter.

What's significant is you should see a lol appear in your *Messages*
buffer... which shouldn't happen when exporting to anything while
  (setq org-export-babel-evaluate nil)

* Statistics

*** Last month's graph

#+name: org-diet-graph-month
#+headers: :var data=org-diet-info()
#+begin_src gnuplot :file /tmp/weight_month.png
  reset
  set xdata time
  set ylabel weight (in pounds)
  set timefmt %Y-%m-%d
  set term pngcairo font Sans,10 dashed
  plot data using 1:2 with lines lt 3 title weight,\
   data using 1:3 with lines lw 3 lt 1 title average weight
#+end_src

#+results: org-diet-graph-month
[[file:/tmp/weight_month.png]]

** Support funcs

#+name: org-diet-info
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
  (message lol)
  '((2013-05-17 216.4 217.23 80%)
(2013-05-19 217.4 217.03 80%)
(2013-05-20 218.0 217.13 90%)
(2013-05-21 218.0 217.36 90%)
(2013-05-22 217.0 217.24 90%)
(2013-05-23 217.0 217.13 90%)
(2013-05-24 217.0 217.33 90%)
(2013-05-25 215.0 217.09 90%)
(2013-05-26 213.8 216.62 90%)
(2013-05-27 216.4 216.62 90%)
(2013-05-28 216.4 216.60 100%)
(2013-05-29 215.8 216.44 100%)
(2013-05-30 215.8 216.22 100%)
(2013-06-03 215.6 215.54 70%))
#+end_src

#+RESULTS: org-diet-info
| 2013-05-17 | 216.4 | 217.23 |  80% |
| 2013-05-19 | 217.4 | 217.03 |  80% |
| 2013-05-20 | 218.0 | 217.13 |  90% |
| 2013-05-21 | 218.0 | 217.36 |  90% |
| 2013-05-22 | 217.0 | 217.24 |  90% |
| 2013-05-23 | 217.0 | 217.13 |  90% |
| 2013-05-24 | 217.0 | 217.33 |  90% |
| 2013-05-25 | 215.0 | 217.09 |  90% |
| 2013-05-26 | 213.8 | 216.62 |  90% |
| 2013-05-27 | 216.4 | 216.62 |  90% |
| 2013-05-28 | 216.4 | 216.60 | 100% |
| 2013-05-29 | 215.8 | 216.44 | 100% |
| 2013-05-30 | 215.8 | 216.22 | 100% |
| 2013-06-03 | 215.6 | 215.54 |  70% |

Eric Schulte writes:

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hiya,

 I was running into troubles where regardless of my setting on
 org-export-babel-evaluate, it was evaluating babel code anyway.  Here's
 a patch that seems to fix this.

 For convenience: I've signed the emacs/orgmode papers already.


 Can you send an minimal example in which evaluation takes place on
 export?

 Thanks,

[O] [PATCH] Respect org-export-babel-evaluate on export

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hiya,

I was running into troubles where regardless of my setting on
org-export-babel-evaluate, it was evaluating babel code anyway.  Here's
a patch that seems to fix this.

For convenience: I've signed the emacs/orgmode papers already.

From 5f2621aeda0fa1eb1b976ce85bad7006f45921ea Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 11:16:54 -0500
Subject: [PATCH] Respect the org-export-babel-evaluate variable while
 exporting.

For some reason, this variable existed, but wasn't being respected on
export.
---
 lisp/ox.el |3 ++-
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/lisp/ox.el b/lisp/ox.el
index 0e32cf3..a1f8058 100644
--- a/lisp/ox.el
+++ b/lisp/ox.el
@@ -2949,7 +2949,8 @@ Return code as a string.
 	 ;; added some new ones.
 	 (org-macro-initialize-templates)
 	 (org-macro-replace-all org-macro-templates)
-	 (org-export-execute-babel-code)
+	 (if org-export-babel-evaluate
+	 (org-export-execute-babel-code))
 	 ;; Update radio targets since keyword inclusion might have
 	 ;; added some more.
 	 (org-update-radio-target-regexp)
-- 
1.7.10.4

Re: [O] How to set C-o back to open-line?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Andreas Röhler writes:

 Installing this instead should fix it:

 (defun org-open-line (n)
Insert a new row in tables, call `open-line' elsewhere.
 With \C-u NUMBER `open-line' is called the common way also in table context
(interactive *P)
(cond (n
   (open-line (prefix-numeric-value n)))
  ((org-at-table-p)
   (org-table-insert-row))
  (t (open-line (prefix-numeric-value n)

 Cheers,

 Andreas

Hm, alright.  Sadly there seems to be no way to change the key (very
un-emacs like?)  So if redefining it is the way, I replaced with the
much simpler:

  (setq org-open-line 'open-line)

Much better!  Hopefully no tooling ever makes use of org-open-line,
shooting me in the foot... :)

Re: [O] How to set C-o back to open-line?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Nicolas Richard writes:

   (setq org-open-line 'open-line)

 How could that possibly work ?

It didn't... my bad :)  I had both set that and done a redefinition of
org-open-line to just call open-line like:

(defun org-open-line (n)
  (interactive *p)
  (open-line n))

Guess which one actually did anything ;)

Re: [O] How to set C-o back to open-line?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Carsten Dominik writes:

 On 17.5.2013, at 00:38, Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org 
 wrote:

 I really hate org-open-line... I can see why people might want it, but
 it's messed up my workflow.  I'd like to set C-o back.
 
 However, I have no idea what org-defkey is doing, but I expected this to
 work:
 
 (define-key org-mode-map (kbd C-o) 'open-line)

 This one will work if you do it in org-mode-hook.

Ahah... okay, great, thanks :)

 We could also introduce a variable to turn off the special behavior,
 just like we do for C-a, C-e, and C-k.  This seems to me a better
 option than to introduce additional context dependencies or use
 prefix arguments to influence the behavior.

 - Carsten

I think that would be nice.  We have options for everything else, why
not this? ;)

Thanks for the help, all!

[O] How to set C-o back to open-line?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I really hate org-open-line... I can see why people might want it, but
it's messed up my workflow.  I'd like to set C-o back.

However, I have no idea what org-defkey is doing, but I expected this to
work:

  (define-key org-mode-map (kbd C-o) 'open-line)

it isn't working!

How to get the standard-ol-open-line behavior back?

Re: [O] How to set C-o back to open-line?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Suvayu Ali writes:

 Hello Christopher,

 On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 05:38:11PM -0500, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
 I really hate org-open-line... I can see why people might want it, but
 it's messed up my workflow.  I'd like to set C-o back.
 
 However, I have no idea what org-defkey is doing, but I expected this to
 work:
 
   (define-key org-mode-map (kbd C-o) 'open-line)
 
 it isn't working!
 
 How to get the standard-ol-open-line behavior back?

 Does using org-defkey instead make it work?

org-defkey doesn't seem to work.

 That said, I'm curious what is so different about org-open-line?  The
 docstring says the following:

   It is bound to C-o, insertline.
   
   (org-open-line N)
   
   Insert a new row in tables, call `open-line' elsewhere.

 So unless you are in a table, it should be the same as normal.  Is that
 broken?  Anyway, I never use open-line myself, but I was curious after I
 saw several people mention it on unrelated threads on a few lists.

 Cheers,

Right, exactly.  The way I use org-diet often involves me splitting
apart and rejoining tables and the whole adding a new line in between
is part of expected behavior for me.  The new system is driving me crazy!

Re: [O] agenda: personal priority for today

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Bastien writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Just store the property on the item itself

 But this solution is task-based, not agenda-based.

 The Sorting property you describe would be useful in one
 agenda and not in one other -- so this does not really fit
 for the OP use-case I guess.

That's true...
I gues it would still be useful for me on my main agenda ;)

Re: [O] New maintainer

[Christopher Allan Webber]

You've done great work Bastien!

And I look forward to Batman Returns!

Bastien writes:

 Dear all,

 I'm stepping down as the Org maintainer.

 Carsten accepted to step up, if the community agrees.
 Please raise your thumbs up or your concerns, if any.

 I'm glad I had this opportunity to work as Robin and
 I'm even more glad Batman may strike back!

 :)

Re: [O] agenda: personal priority for today

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Bastien writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 I wonder if we had a property that was basically sorting on very large
 numbers?  When you add something to the agenda and there aren't any
 sorted items, it creates a property with some median-ish very large
 number.  As you move things up and down on the agenda it sorts in random
 ranges between the chunks of huge number space per item.  This would be
 a goofy but workable solution?

 I don't know -- it's hard to make sure we speak about the same things
 when brainstorming like this.  Where would you store the property you
 are talking to (for example)?  Sorry for the non-romantic question :)

Just store the property on the item itself, like:

#+BEGIN_SRC org
* My Tasklist

** TODO This task second
   :PROPERTIES:
   :Sorting:  5029662198291
   :END:

** TODO This task last
   :PROPERTIES:
   :Sorting:  4362296268052
   :END:

* Another tasklist

** TODO This task first
   :PROPERTIES:
   :Sorting:  6495792999082
   :END:
#+END_SRC

in theory, if you have numbers large enough, you should be able to
usually find something that's above or in-between to generate sorting
between things.

So if we wanted to move the last task to the second task, and we're on
our agenda and we see the following tasks:

sometask   Sched.4x:  TODO This task first
sometask   Sched.4x:  TODO This task second
sometask   Sched.4x:  TODO This task last

and we ask to move third up between second and first, it'll just pick a
new random number between that range, like:

random.randrange(5029662198291, 6495792999082)

so if we got 6417343542884 back, we would set that as the sorting
property for the task named This task last (which would then no longer
be last, it would be second! ;))

Re: [O] agenda: personal priority for today

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Bastien writes:

 John Wiegley jo...@newartisans.com writes:

 You'll have to change the positions of the items within the Org file itself.
 It would be great if there was a single key to do this and then very quickly
 update the agenda view.

 This is tempting in imagination but I think the real implementation
 would be limited and a bit fragile.

 Limited because you would have to restrict moving around agenda
 entries to Org entries of the same level, and a bit fragile because
 you'll have to 100% that (folded) entries are not corrupted when moved
 around, e.g. from one org agenda file to another.

 So, better to play with something non-interactive and have a property
 for sorting in the agenda only.

I wonder if we had a property that was basically sorting on very large
numbers?  When you add something to the agenda and there aren't any
sorted items, it creates a property with some median-ish very large
number.  As you move things up and down on the agenda it sorts in random
ranges between the chunks of huge number space per item.  This would be
a goofy but workable solution?

Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Eric Abrahamsen writes:

 Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:

 My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
 for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
 their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
 by example.

 Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too. Say the manager
 of a small group project were able to create a web-version of an agenda,
 and project members could filter that by clicking on javascript-enabled
 versions of tags corresponding to their TODOs, and even click the TODOs
 to change state, that could be a nice introduction to project management
 in Org. It might require too much org functionality to be re-written in
 javascript though? Dunno.

 E

I think a web application that allowed for
orgmode-as-a-group-todo-management-system thing would be huge.  It would
require a lot of thinking of how to approach it in a way that would be
nice and make sense.  I'm not really sure what it would look like.  But
hook that up to git and you'd have a really interesting bug tracking
system.

There was that relevant GSoC project, but I'd be interested in this
happening in python or similar.  Now that we have the standard for
orgmode as a file format...

Re: [O] Org as a static site generator

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Cool, thanks for that info!

Ian Barton writes:

 On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 11:02:56AM -0500, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
 Ian Barton writes:

  On 01/04/13 13:08, Vincent Beffara wrote:
 
  Yes, I mean, I know which html you need for that, simply within o-blog 
  you need to manage between relative paths, absolute paths, canonical 
  paths and so on in the template, to match the right section,  - mainly it 
  should be a matter of let-ing the right variable to the right value at 
  the right point in the template and catching it when generating the toc, 
  but I never took the time to get it right ...
  I've also just found this, which uses Org only as a markup tool and
  Jekyll to generate the site:
 
  http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-jekyll.html
  I had a look at the too, but it felt just a little bit too convoluted 
  compared to managing everything from Org. Besides, it seems to lose 
  fontification of code snippets and the like?
 
  /v
 
  As the original author of that page, I agree that using Jekyll is
  convoluted, but it gives you much more control. However I now use
  Pelican: https://pelican.readthedocs.org/en/3.1.1/
 
  There are a few reasons for this. Pelican is written in Python, which I
  find easier to hack on. It is more flexible than Jekyll, which I found
  hard to get to work the way I wanted with categories and tags.
 
  I wrote a yaml importer for Pelican so I could use my old jekyll posts.
  However, Pelican understands Markdown, which I think the new exporter
  supports.
 
  So my work flow now is Emacs- export as html - run Jekyll
 
  Ian.

 Heya Ian,

 I've been planning to switch my blog over to pelican.  It's cool to hear
 you say this.

 Is there any special elisp you use for the export, including converting
 things like the title, etc?

 Thanks!
  - Chris


 Hi Chris,

 No, nothing special. I just use org's standard publish functions. However, I 
 publish only the body part of the html and place the yaml tags in the org 
 file. A typical org file for a blog post would look like:


 #+STARTUP: showall indent
 #+STARTUP: hidestars
 #+OPTIONS: H:2 num:nil tags:nil toc:nil timestamps:nil
 #+BEGIN_HTML
 ---
 title: My Fire Steel Crumbles to Dust.
 date: 2013-02-17
 tags: [gear]
 category: blog

 ---
 #+END_HTML

 After my walk over Moel Famau and Moel Arthur I was looking forward
 to making a hot drink. My brew kit lives permanently in the boot of



 org pubish then creates a file with a yaml header and html body text. Then I 
 just run Pelican to publish the post. I have written a Pelican yaml reader 
 which converts the yaml files to allow Pelican to process them. I'll document 
 the whole process over the next couple of days and put it on Worg. I keep 
 meaning to contribute my yaml reader back to Pelican, but it's quite specific 
 to publishing org-mode files and not really a general purpose yaml importer.


 --

 Best wishes,

 Ian.

Re: [O] I have terminated my assignment

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Vikas Rawal writes:

  You also stated that the main reason for your current behavior
  is to delay Org 8.0, to create chaos and to annoy me.
 
  Yes.
 
 
 I would suggest that further emails from Jambunathan be ignored.  The
 more effort expended reasoning with him, the more time wasted by
 members of the Org-mode community who are valuable contributors.

 +1

 Vikas

Could someone please just ban Jambunathan from the list?
These emails are not productive and are wasting everyone's time.

If Jambunathan wants to discuss policy stuff with the FSF, he can do
that; there's no reason to do it here on-list.  However, what
Jambunathan has said very explicitly is: I want to troll this list and
waste everyone's time.  And he said it very explicitly here:

Jambunathan K writes:
 Someone - it may not be you yourself - from within the community would
 have paid the price for annoying me.  I will try hard to extract a
 price.

Please stop letting him waste our time and community energy.  There's no
reason to keep the troll well fed by allowing him to continue these
emails on-list.

Thanks,
 - Christopher Allan Webber.

Re: [O] Org as a static site generator

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Ian Barton writes:

 On 01/04/13 13:08, Vincent Beffara wrote:

 Yes, I mean, I know which html you need for that, simply within o-blog you 
 need to manage between relative paths, absolute paths, canonical paths and 
 so on in the template, to match the right section,  - mainly it should be a 
 matter of let-ing the right variable to the right value at the right point 
 in the template and catching it when generating the toc, but I never took 
 the time to get it right ...
 I've also just found this, which uses Org only as a markup tool and
 Jekyll to generate the site:

 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-jekyll.html
 I had a look at the too, but it felt just a little bit too convoluted 
 compared to managing everything from Org. Besides, it seems to lose 
 fontification of code snippets and the like?

 /v

 As the original author of that page, I agree that using Jekyll is 
 convoluted, but it gives you much more control. However I now use 
 Pelican: https://pelican.readthedocs.org/en/3.1.1/

 There are a few reasons for this. Pelican is written in Python, which I 
 find easier to hack on. It is more flexible than Jekyll, which I found 
 hard to get to work the way I wanted with categories and tags.

 I wrote a yaml importer for Pelican so I could use my old jekyll posts. 
 However, Pelican understands Markdown, which I think the new exporter 
 supports.

 So my work flow now is Emacs- export as html - run Jekyll

 Ian.

Heya Ian,

I've been planning to switch my blog over to pelican.  It's cool to hear
you say this.

Is there any special elisp you use for the export, including converting
things like the title, etc?

Thanks!
 - Chris

Re: [O] Spreadsheet calculations (24.3/8.0-pre)

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I've posted here before about it, but it looks like you're trying to do
the same thing as I am; see https://gitorious.org/org-diet

Here's an example of an org-diet file entry:

| Food / Exercise| Calories | Quantity | Total |
|+--+--+---|
| thin  crispy flatbread|   16 |2 |32 |
| tbsp neufchatel cheese spread  |   35 |1 |35 |
| tbsp apple butter  |   30 |   .5 |15 |
| tbsp jam   |   50 |   .5 |25 |
| Tea w/ agave  creamer |   40 |1 |40 |
| cedarlane eggplant parmesan|  240 |1 |   240 |
| goldfish cracker   |2 |   20 |40 |
| bequet wrapped caramel |   48 |1 |48 |
| Beverage w/ sugar in the raw  creamer |   40 |1 |40 |
| pecan half |   10 |3 |30 |
| orange |   62 |1 |62 |
| presliced aged swiss cheese|   70 |1 |70 |
| starbucks tall latte low fat milk  |  109 |1 |   109 |
| 1 pkt sugar in the raw |   20 |1 |20 |
| amy's cheese lasagna   |  380 |1 |   380 |
| baby carrot|4 |3 |12 |
| cup low fat cottage cheese |  180 |   .5 |90 |
| tofutti cutie  |  130 |1 |   130 |
|+--+--+---|
| Total  |  |  |  1418 |
#+TBLFM: $4=$2*$3;%.0f::$LR4=vsum(@2$4..@-I$4)

That's not answering your question but might be useful given the type of
things you appear to be entering :)

Oliver Večerník writes:

 Hi,

 I'm trying to do some simple calculations, but the results are plain
 wrong.  I started the minimal example with `emacs -Q -l minimal.emacs
 org/minimal.org'.  My Emacs is 24.3 with Org-mode version 8.0-pre
 (release_8.0-pre-116-g65cde8 @ /home/ov/p/org-mode/lisp/):

 #+TITLE: Nutrition Facts
 #+CONSTANTS: b=100 j=4.182

 #+TBLNAME: nf
 | Product   |   kJ | kcal |
 |---+--+--|
 | Bread | 1372 |  328 |
 | Butter| 3054 |  730 |
 | Marmalade |  926 |  221 |
 #+TBLFM: $3=$2/$j;%.0f

 Here are some calculations per portion (plain wrong):

 | Product   |g |   kJ | kcal |
 |---+--+--+--|
 | Bread | 50.6 |  658 |  157 |
 | Butter| 11.5 |  150 |   36 |
 | Marmalade | 19.7 |  256 |   61 |
 |---+--+--+--|
 |   |  | 1064 |  254 |
 #+TBLFM: $3='(* $2 (/ (org-lookup-first $1 '(remote(nf,@I$1..@II$1)) 
 '(remote(nf,@I$2..@II$2))) 100));N%.0f::$4=$3/$j;%.0f::@$3..$4=vsum(@I..II)

 Expected:

 | Product   |g |   kJ | kcal |
 |---+--+--+--|
 | Bread | 50.6 |  694 |  166 |
 | Butter| 11.5 |  351 |   84 |
 | Marmalade | 19.7 |  182 |   44 |
 |---+--+--+--|
 |   |  | 1227 |  294 |
 #+TBLFM: $4=$3/$j;%.0f::@$3..$4=vsum(@I..II)

 Using the constant b is also totally wrong:

 | Product   |g | kJ | kcal |
 |---+--++--|
 | Bread | 50.6 |  0 |0 |
 | Butter| 11.5 |  0 |0 |
 | Marmalade | 19.7 |  0 |0 |
 |---+--++--|
 |   |  |  0 |0 |
 #+TBLFM: $3='(* $2 (/ (org-lookup-first $1 '(remote(nf,@I$1..@II$1)) 
 '(remote(nf,@I$2..@II$2))) $b));N%.0f::$4=$3/$j;%.0f::@$3..$4=vsum(@I..II)

 These results are achieved using `C-c C-c' on the first column of the
 format line.  If I use `C-u C-c C-c' in the tabel I get different
 results *every* time.  E.g. pressing `C-u C-c C-c' three times on the
 `B' of `Bread':

 | Product   |g | kJ |  kcal |
 |---+--++---|
 | Bread | 50.6 |  32606 |  7784 |
 | Butter| 11.5 |  59888 | 14297 |
 | Marmalade | 19.7 | 110192 | 26306 |
 |---+--++---|
 |   |  | 202686 | 48387 |
 #+TBLFM: $3='(* $2 (/ (org-lookup-first $1 '(remote(nf,@I$1..@II$1)) 
 '(remote(nf,@I$2..@II$2))) 100));N%.0f::$4=$3/$j;%.0f::@$3..$4=vsum(@I..II)

 If I go to the end of the format line and press `C-c C-c' I get totally
 different results as at the beginning:

 | Product   |g | 1064 |  254 |
 |---+--+--+--|
 | Bread | 50.6 | 1064 |  254 |
 | Butter| 11.5 | 1470 |  351 |
 | Marmalade | 19.7 | 2790 |  666 |
 |---+--+--+--|
 |   |  | 5324 | 1271 |
 #+TBLFM: $3='(* $2 (/ (org-lookup-first $1 '(remote(nf,@I$1..@II$1)) 
 '(remote(nf,@I$2..@II$2))) 100));N%.0f::$4=$3/$j;%.0f::@$3..$4=vsum(@I..II)

 If I use `M-x org-table-recalculate-buffer-tables' even the headlines
 get screwed up.  Am I doing something wrong or are there severe problems
 in the 

Re: [O] emacs export org-mode to wiki: especially for the org-mode tables

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I think the old org wiki exporters were pre the new exporter?  I could
be wrong.

Would be nice to see a new mediawiki exporter to be written for the new
exporter code!

filebat Mark writes:

 hi all

 I badly need the feature of exporting org-mode to wiki(like mediawiki).

 After google for a while, I found some links but they don't work for me.

 Do you guys have any suggestion for this? If no option, I may use lisp
 to implement them by myself.

 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-07/msg00862.html
 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-07/msg00896.html
 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-03/msg01834.html
 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-blog-wiki.html
 http://orgmode.org/

Re: [O] Org and Habits

[Christopher Allan Webber]

The right way to be using org-habits is not to have tasks that are being
marked as done... they are meant to be repeating tasks.  See:

  [[info:org#Repeated tasks]]

in the orgmode manual to set these up.

J. David Boyd writes:

 I think these are working, but how do I tell for certain.

 If I am in the file with the habit, and I changed it from TODO to DONE,
 it stays DONE, and I get an entry in PROPERTIES about 'last repeat',
 yeah, seems to be fine.

 But if I mark it DONE in the agenda, it stays DONE, I think.  I was
 interrupted halfway through, and am not certain what I did.

 Should it work the same from the agenda that it does from the file?   I
 mean, I don't expect to see it say DONE, I expect it to disappear.

 What should I see?

Re: [O] org-gnome-calendar

[Christopher Allan Webber]

OH MY GOODNESS, this is VERY exciting to me!

Do you have any screenshots of this in action?  I've been thinking of
similar things for some time!


Lluís Vilanova writes:

 It's just barely working and quite slow, but here's an initial tentative on a
 package to get the agenda in Org mode to show up in GNOME's calendar:

   https://github.com/llvilanova/org-gnome-calendar


 Lluis

Re: [O] [OT] ELNODE is soon to be released as version 1.0

[Christopher Allan Webber]

 Is elnode a Free Software - AGPL?

If elnode is under GPLv3 or later, it's still free software.


 I was looking for a license but it seems to have it under COPYING.
 Anyways, should it be AGPL?

I'm a big fan of the AGPL... my own personal project uses it... but I
might be somewhat cautious about releasing a web framework under that
library.  There's a huge scope of things you may be unintentionally be
forcing people to share (such as passwords, etc) especially since
configuration is done in lisp.  I think complying with the distribution
requirements of the AGPL may be hard for a lot of elnode projects in
ways that are not intended without carefully crafted exceptions.  I
think AGPL makes a lot of sense for web applications, but I'd be
cautious about using it for libraries as such.

But that's just my two cents and I know not all AGPL supporters would
agree with me on this.

Re: [O] [GSoC] Org-sync v0.2

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Aurélien Aptel writes:

 On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Christopher Allan Webber
 cweb...@dustycloud.org wrote:
 This is *very* exciting.  I'm definitely interested in using this for
 MediaGoblin if I can.

 Thanks. I've just looked at MediaGoblin but I don't think it fits what
 Org-sync was designed for, which is sync with bugtrackers or anything
 equivalent i.e. a list of something with an open/closed state with at
 least a title and a unique id.

Just to be clear: by this I meant I'm the lead developer of MediaGoblin
and I meant I wanted to use it to help me keep track of MediaGoblin's
bugtracker stuff, not that I wanted to use it for interacting with
MediaGoblin the application. :)

  - I'd like to pull down the description and keep the TODO states in
sync, but I'm not sure I want editing local descriptions to affect
the description remotely.  In fact I'm pretty sure I don't want to do
that!  I'd just like the initial state then be able to munge it
however.  Is that possible?

 That's possible and should be easy to implement, I'll see.

That would be really great!  Let me know if you make progress on that.

Re: [O] [GSoC] Org-sync v0.2

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hey Aurélien,

This is *very* exciting.  I'm definitely interested in using this for
MediaGoblin if I can.

Several thoughts after watching the video:

 - I tend to take notes and local subtasks on bugs.  Is there any way to
   do that?
 - Does org-sync also pull down comments?
 - I'd like to pull down the description and keep the TODO states in
   sync, but I'm not sure I want editing local descriptions to affect
   the description remotely.  In fact I'm pretty sure I don't want to do
   that!  I'd just like the initial state then be able to munge it
   however.  Is that possible?
 - I'd really like to write a trac backend!


Aurélien Aptel writes:

 Hi all,

 I'm releasing a new version of Org-sync, the tool to sync Org
 documents with external bugtrackers/TODO-list system.

 There are functional (although not complete) backends for:
 - Github
 - Bitbucket
 - Redmine

 And I'm currently working on Remember the Milk.
 I've updated the installation procedure in the tutorial. It should be
 easier now if it was bothering you before.
 I've also made a short (~4mn) demo video covering the Bitbucket
 backend and conflicts. On a side note, making this video was a painful
 experience and I now realize the lack of good stable and free(dom)
 video editing software on Linux.

 Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbj6-j0teCY
 Tutorial: 
 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/gsoc2012/student-projects/org-sync/tutorial/
 Webpage: 
 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/gsoc2012/student-projects/org-sync/index.html

Re: [O] Org Mode TOOD two way sync tool

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com writes:

 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Christopher Allan Webber 
 cweb...@dustycloud.org wrote:

 Hey Aurélien,

 This is great.  I formerly worked on something similar:

 
 http://labs.creativecommons.org/2010/11/10/bridging-public-bugtrackers-and-local-tasklists/

  Nice color-theme, there. If you use color-theme.el, can you share it?
 Otherwise, what's your config?

 -Karra

Ah, I've stopped using that theme!  But it was a small extension to
color-theme-snow.  Here it is. :)

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; This software is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.

(defun color-theme-snow-better ()
  Because `color-theme-snow' is so awesome, except for when it isn't.
  (interactive)
  (color-theme-snow)
  (let ((color-theme-is-cumulative t))
(color-theme-install
 '(color-theme-snow-better
   ((background-color . snow2)
(background-mode . light)
(border-color . black)
(cursor-color . cadet blue)
(foreground-color . black)
(mouse-color . black))
   (emacs-wiki-link-face ((t (:bold t :underline BlueViolet :foreground 
BlueViolet
   (muse-link-face ((t (:bold t :underline BlueViolet :foreground 
BlueViolet
   (info-xref ((t (:bold t :foreground BlueViolet
   (region ((t (:background light steel blue
   (cursor ((t (:background cadet blue
   (fringe ((t (:background white
   (planner-high-priority-task-face ((t (:foreground red
   (planner-medium-priority-task-face ((t (:foreground green
   (planner-low-priority-task-face ((t (:foreground blue
   (planner-canceled-task-face ((t (:foreground gray :strike-through t
   (org-todo ((t (:foreground red2 :bold t
   (org-done ((t (:foreground SpringGreen3 :bold t
   (org-special-keyword ((t (:foreground sienna
   (org-column ((t (:background gray85
   (erc-input-face ((t (:foreground brown
   (erc-notice-face ((t (:foreground SlateBlue :bold t
   (erc-current-nick-face ((t (:foreground DarkTurquoise :bold t
   (erc-prompt-face ((t (:foreground Black :bold t :background 
lightBlue2
   (planner-note-headline-face ((t (:bold t :foreground azure3
#+end_src

Re: [O] Org Mode TOOD two way sync tool

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Ah, I've stopped using that theme!  But it was a small extension to
 color-theme-snow.  Here it is. :)

FYI, the theme I use now is naquadah-theme, which I *highly* recommend.

http://git.naquadah.org/?p=naquadah-theme.git;a=summary

[O] Conditionally archiving to subtree or archive file (depending on parent ARCHIVE property)

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hi all,

I've written a snippet of elisp which I'm finding very helpful.  I've
replaced the archive keybinding with it.  Basically, I found that when I
had something like this:

#+BEGIN_SRC org
  * Task tree
:PROPERTIES:
:ARCHIVE: %s_archive::* Task tree
:END:

  ** TODO Some task
  *** TODO Some subtask
  *** DONE Another subtask
  
  ** DONE This is done
#+END_SRC

... on something like This is done, I'd want that whole tree moved to
the archive file.  On something like some task, if I eventually
finished the whole tree, I wanted it moved to the archive file, but if I
had subtasks within that subtree, I might want to move them out of the
way, but not have them disappear from the bigger subtask... that would
be confusing!  So I wanted them to move to the archive subtree so I
could clean up that bigger TODO structure, like so:


#+BEGIN_SRC org
  * Task tree
:PROPERTIES:
:ARCHIVE: %s_archive::* Task tree
:END:

  ** TODO Some task
  *** TODO Some subtask
  *** Archive   :ARCHIVE:
   DONE Another subtask
#+END_SRC


But I wanted this logic to happen automatically.  So I wrote some
trivial elisp to do this.  Maybe someone else will find it helpful?

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
;; This software is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.

(defun org-archive-subtree-depending-on-property ()
  Conditionally archive the subtree to a file or archive sibling
If the parent subtree has an ARCHIVE property, archive to a file.
Otherwise, archive to an archive sibling.

  (interactive)
  (let* ((current-level (org-current-level))
 (parent-archive-property
  (if current-level
  (save-excursion
(org-up-heading-safe)
(org-entry-get (point) ARCHIVE)
(cond
 ; If there is no current level, do nothing
 ((not current-level) nil)
 ; If we're at the first level, subtree archive it
 ((or (eq current-level 1)
  (not parent-archive-property))
  (let ((org-archive-default-command 'org-archive-to-archive-sibling))
(org-archive-subtree-default-with-confirmation)))
 ; Otherwise, archive to a file
 (t
   (let ((org-archive-default-command 'org-archive-subtree))
 (org-archive-subtree-default-with-confirmation))
#+END_SRC

Re: [O] Org Mode TOOD two way sync tool

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hey Aurélien,

This is great.  I formerly worked on something similar:

http://labs.creativecommons.org/2010/11/10/bridging-public-bugtrackers-and-local-tasklists/

However... my solution was pretty hacky.

I'd be interested to see if you come up with a generic solution that
could have mapppings for multiple bugtrackers, and that could sync with
bugtracking states so if the bug gets closed, the TODO does also, or at
least that it warns as such, etc.

Aurélien Aptel aurelien.ap...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,

 I'm working on a bugtracker sync tool for org-mode [1]. I'm using
 org-element to parse org files, it does everything I need.

 It turns this


 * TODO blah 2012-06-25
 :PROPERTIES:
 :foo: bar
 :END:
 Foo bar

 into this:

 (org-data nil
   (headline
(:raw-value blah 2012-06-25 :title
(blah 
 (timestamp
  (:type active :value 2012-06-25)))
:level 1
:todo-keyword TODO
:todo-type todo
:timestamp 2012-06-25
:foo bar :category ???)
(section
 ()
 (property-drawer
  (:properties ((foo . bar
 (paragraph
  ()
  Foo bar


 I've removed irrelevant stuff for the example but you can get get the
 start/end point of each element from this structure.
 Just call org-element-parse-buffer.

 1: http://orgmode.org/w/org-sync.git

[O] Why doesn't this calc org-babel code work?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hey all...

I have:

#+BEGIN_SRC calc
foo := 5
foo + 5 =
#+END_SRC

#+RESULTS:
: foo + 5 = foo + 5

What I'd like, obviously, is for it to result in:

#+RESULTS:
: foo + 5 = 10

I guess I really don't understand how calc support works in org-babel.
Could someone enlighten me?

Re: [O] Why doesn't this calc org-babel code work?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I see now.

#+BEGIN_SRC calc :var foo=5
foo + 5 =
#+END_SRC

#+RESULTS:
: 5 + 5 = 10

However, this isn't as useful as I'd like.  I'd really like to be able
to see it say foo + 5 = in the output.  That's clearer which line is
being referred to...

Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hey all...

 I have:

 #+BEGIN_SRC calc
 foo := 5
 foo + 5 =
 #+END_SRC

 #+RESULTS:
 : foo + 5 = foo + 5

 What I'd like, obviously, is for it to result in:

 #+RESULTS:
 : foo + 5 = 10

 I guess I really don't understand how calc support works in org-babel.
 Could someone enlighten me?

Re: [O] Why doesn't this calc org-babel code work?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I guess what I'm saying is that assignment would be really nice.
However, I'm now seeing that this would take a lot of work.

What I'd really like to do is something like the following:

# Total BS financial projection, don't read into this at all
#+BEGIN_SRC calc
derp_expenses := 1234
derp_income := 4315

monthly_balance := derp_income - derp_expenses
monthly_balance =
monthly_balance * 12 =
#+END_SRC

#+RESULTS:
: monthly_balance = 3081
: monthly_balance * 12 = 36972

I guess I could use calc embedded mode, but I haven't figured out how to
do that yet. ;)

 - Chris

Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 I see now.

 #+BEGIN_SRC calc :var foo=5
 foo + 5 =
 #+END_SRC

 #+RESULTS:
 : 5 + 5 = 10

 However, this isn't as useful as I'd like.  I'd really like to be able
 to see it say foo + 5 = in the output.  That's clearer which line is
 being referred to...

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hey all...

 I have:

 #+BEGIN_SRC calc
 foo := 5
 foo + 5 =
 #+END_SRC

 #+RESULTS:
 : foo + 5 = foo + 5

 What I'd like, obviously, is for it to result in:

 #+RESULTS:
 : foo + 5 = 10

 I guess I really don't understand how calc support works in org-babel.
 Could someone enlighten me?

[O] Conditionally archiving to an archive file or archive tree?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hiya all,

Is there an easy way to conditionally archive to an archive file or
archive tree?  I guess I should write my own tool but often times there
are builtin things and I end up rewriting tools without knowing it, so
querying on that before I go ahead and write something.  (Might also be
good to know if this is a need of other people than just me.)


Basically, imagine an orgmode file of the following structure:

#+begin_src org

* No archive file tree
** TODO Some task!  Should archive to sub-tree
** TODO Some task!  Should archive to sub-tree also!

* Archive things in here to an archive file
  :PROPERTIES:
  :ARCHIVE: %s_archive::* Somethingorother
  :END:

** TODO Archive me to an archive file!
** TODO Also archive me to an archive file!
*** TODO However not subtasks!
*** DONE archiving this subtask should move to an archive subtree
*** Archive:ARCHIVE:
 DONE See, like so
#+end_src

Is there a nice builtin way to do this, or should I write it myself?
Also, if I should write it myself, would anyone else find this
functionality useful?  Personally, I think this is a good way of doing
things to keep files from getting full of cruft but also allowing big
projects full of subtrees to stay coherent as you move things out of the
way.

Thanks!
 - Chris

Re: [O] notify, when something to do

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hey Peter,

I also do appointments with orgmode.. I have it hooked up so that it
sends me messages via XMPP/Jabber.  Possibly useful to you:

http://dustycloud.org/blog/2010/11/21/emacs-appointment-notifications-via-xmpp

pmli...@free.fr (Peter Münster) writes:

 Hello,

 I would like to be notified[1], when a todo item enters the warning
 period, scheduled time, or deadline.

 I can imagine writing a function, that executes every 5 minutes, that
 scans all agenda files calling `org-get-[scheduled,deadline]-time', but
 I hope, that there is already something, that I can use more easily.

 TIA for any help,
 Peter


 Footnotes: 
 [1]  For notifying, I'll use an external program, for example
 notify-send, because the emacs window is not always visible.

Re: [O] Calendar-like view of the org-agenda

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hi,

I'm very excited about this project!  However it doesn't seem to work?

Calling M-x cfw:open-calendar-buffer results in:
  let: Symbol's function definition is void: cfw:create-calendar-buffer

It seems that this function isn't defined anywhere?

I'm running off of git master.

SAKURAI Masashi m.saku...@kiwanami.net writes:

 Michael Markert markert.michael at googlemail.com writes:
 
 On 4 Jul 2011, Kan-Ru Chen wrote:
 
  Michael Markert markert.michael at googlemail.com writes:
  :
  I just find this emacs-calfw project today.
 
  https://github.com/kiwanami/emacs-calfw
 
  It looks very interesting and supports org!
 
 Indeed. Not quite what I was looking for but interesting nonetheless.
 
 What I miss:
 - It lacks some org support (e.g. org-contacts anniversaries -- they
   look horrible)
 - a week view
 - a time grid

 Just yesterday in JST, I released calfw v1.0.
 I will write and append the documents.

 In the latest version (v1.0), this program can display
 the 1, 2 week view and daily view. Key bindings are following:
 - M Monthly view
 - W 1 week view
 - T 2 week view
 - D Daily view
 And, pushing SPC key, a daily view is displayed, like the Quicklook in Mac.

 The handling of the time grid is a new task.
 Because the calfw is designed with focusing on the replacement of the 
 calendar.el, I should consider the extending schedule data.

 I have not used orgmode so far, so I'm not good at the schedule management in 
 the orgmode. Comments and patches are welcome.

 --
 SAKURAI Masashi



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Re: [O] Calendar-like view of the org-agenda

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Also, cfw:open-org-calendar works, but things seem really slow... it
looks like you're recalculating the entire orgmode agenda for every day.
I wonder if things could be sped up if the orgmode agenda was calculated
for the entire period all at once and then broke that up into days?

SAKURAI Masashi m.saku...@kiwanami.net writes:

 Michael Markert markert.michael at googlemail.com writes:
 
 On 4 Jul 2011, Kan-Ru Chen wrote:
 
  Michael Markert markert.michael at googlemail.com writes:
  :
  I just find this emacs-calfw project today.
 
  https://github.com/kiwanami/emacs-calfw
 
  It looks very interesting and supports org!
 
 Indeed. Not quite what I was looking for but interesting nonetheless.
 
 What I miss:
 - It lacks some org support (e.g. org-contacts anniversaries -- they
   look horrible)
 - a week view
 - a time grid

 Just yesterday in JST, I released calfw v1.0.
 I will write and append the documents.

 In the latest version (v1.0), this program can display
 the 1, 2 week view and daily view. Key bindings are following:
 - M Monthly view
 - W 1 week view
 - T 2 week view
 - D Daily view
 And, pushing SPC key, a daily view is displayed, like the Quicklook in Mac.

 The handling of the time grid is a new task.
 Because the calfw is designed with focusing on the replacement of the 
 calendar.el, I should consider the extending schedule data.

 I have not used orgmode so far, so I'm not good at the schedule management in 
 the orgmode. Comments and patches are welcome.

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Re: [O] particular capture method for a diet .. ?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Stinky Wizzleteet wizzlet...@hotmail.com writes:

 I cap the caloric deficit at a 500 kcal deficit per day, because for me 
 and my genetic background of overweight family this is probably
 not a diet but a lifestyle and I understood that at higher deficits ones
 metabolism is trying to adapt, trying to defeat the dieting
 purpose. (citation needed) -I cannot provide proof nor reference to this 
 statement-  

I've heard a lot about this, and when I started my diet I was at about
2600 calories on metabolism and set myself to approximately 1250
calories / day.  A bunch of people told me that my body would go into
starvation mode and it would count against me and it simply didn't
happen.  Advice: just don't overworry about it.

I think if you're at approximately 45% of your metabolism or more for
your daily caloric needs, it'll be fine.  I wouldn't recommend anyone
going lower than 1200 calories per day though.

Anyway, I'm at 1300-1600 calories / day now, it's not quite as super
fast of weight loss (about 7 pounds / month, still not bad!), but still
quite a bit of weight loss.  I think if you have a lot of weight to lose
you probably don't need to worry about it too much.

Also note that I barely exercised at all during my diet... when I did
exercise, I lost weight a little bit faster, but I simply don't believe
it's necessary for weight loss.  If you want to do it, great, but it's
simply easier to figure out how to eat the right amount of foods to feel
satisfied while having a serious calorie deficit.

 Your approach is *exactly* what I was meaning to eventually throw together.
 I would love to take a look at your code, as a total noob I may be able
 to hack a workable system for myself -eventually, but help maintaining will be
 possible only on the long term. Once I've mastered lisp and org.

 However, as I am not the only one interested in your system you might
 want to consider dumping it loosely unorganized on github. but mailing
 us a tar package would be cool too.

https://gitorious.org/org-diet/org-diet

I've gone and done it.  I haven't finished writing README.org but I've
added a base org-diet file to start with, the capture template in the
orgmode file, etc.

I've even checked in my whole embarassing diet.org file for you to see.
You'll notice that a few months into the thing I became a vegetarian,
but that was for ethical, not dietary reasons. :)

Once I am completely not a fat guy, I will upload the final diet.org.

As for how to find out how many calories things are I usually took three
approaches:

 - I used the program Food File, to which I made a couple of patches to
   make it run on GNU/Linux... I guess I should make those available
   soon.  It *was* released as free software under the GPL, not sure if
   the version online is still released as such.
 - Reading the back of packages
 - Looking at pre-existing data in my orgmode file.  Usually I'd split
   the file vertically and in one pane have my current daily diet table
   at point, in the other I'd be isearching for things I've already
   eaten... usually while dieting I tend to eat the same types of things
   a lot, but I've collected a vast amount of caloric information in
   there... maybe you can find how to eat a satisfying daily amount of
   calories by looking at some of my example days with successful
   CAL-OUT clocking
 - I just googled for things I didn't know.

Hope this is helpful to people!  I'll add more docs later.

(PS: the elisp is hacky, don't say I didn't warn you.)

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Re: [O] particular capture method for a diet .. ?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

So I've been meaning to put something up on this in worg for a while.

I've been dieting using orgmode, basic calorie tracking, and something
resembling the ideas out of The Hacker's Diet for the last year
(actually 2.5 years with a 1.5 year break in which I continued to
weigh in mostly but didn't follow my calorie goals ;)) and have lost 
60 pounds so far (originally was 275, not all that's recorded in my
files during the first few weeks of dieting, anyway at 210 now), going
from morbidly obese to just overweight, and I'm still losing weight
(soon enough, being a fat guy will be far behind me).  Here's the
org-babel generated gnuplot graphs to show it (regenerated and pushed to
my site every morning):

http://dustycloud.org/tmp/weight.png
http://dustycloud.org/tmp/weight_month.png

Here's a screenshot:
http://dustycloud.org/tmp/org-diet2.png

Roughly in the terrible amount of hacks that compose org-diet I've
wrapped together these ideas/tools:
 - calorie tracking
 - recipe calorie calculation
 - weigh-in via org-capture
 - calorie clocking (clock out at the end of the day to verify you've
   got accurate numbers for that day)
 - habit tracking of whether you've met your calorie goals
 - weight graphing with 10 day moving averaging to remove some of the
   noise from a daily weigh in/out
 - bmi calculation
 - a really shitty calories-per-day-to-lose-to-meet-your-goals estimator

It's really nothing complex, and mostly it's not software, just a
methedology with a *slight* amount of poorly written software in elisp
and org-babel, but the system works great.

I planned after meeting my diet goals (hitting normal weight) that I'd
release the whole thing (including my present diet file for reference)
under GPLv3, document it in worg, and put my own diet file out there
under CC0, but maybe I should do it sooner... problem is I don't have
time presently while trying to work on http://mediagoblin.org on
weekends to make a proper release, but I could at least bundle
together everything you need to have a full system using my hacks for
now if you want, with really terrible but usable documentation, without
taking up too much time. :)

Interested?  I could probably throw together a terrible tarball this
weekend if you want to use it and post it to the list.

One thing that's clear from the diet I've collected: whenever I've
followed the system, without fail, I've lost weight.  When I've deviated
I've stayed level or I've gained weight (the no-movement middle of the
diet graph I linked to).  Follow the system, use habit tracking and
stuff, stick to your calorie goals (I shoot for a lower occasional-goal
of 1300 calories and an absolute minimum goal of 1600 calories), and it
*fucking works* without any support of the bullshit diet industry.

I've heard a few people saying they have interest in the stuff I have so
maybe I should just do that crappy release for now; better than nothing?

Hopefully being useful while making embarassing admissions about my
body,
 - cwebb

Stinky Wizzleteet wizzlet...@hotmail.com writes:

 Hi all,

 I am too fat.

 And I found in the past that the best way for me to loose weight is to
 log my eating habit every day and make sure that I eat between 1800 and
 2200 kcal/day, no more, but also not less.

 I want to figure out a way how to create a custom capture template to
 keep track of my daily intake.

 The result should be a diary-style org file were every day would be
 filled with a table that features an updated total and an item list:

 TOTAL:  1965 kcal
 |apple  |   80|
 |orange |   65|
 |energy drink   |   300|
 ... etc
 
 (gnus: y u no tables ?)   

 capturing would consist of two entries, item and specific caloric
 value, and these values would be inserted into a table that would
 automagically update its daily total.
 Every day a new table should be started.

 Is this possible ? And how ?
 Pointers, tips and snippets are greatly appreciated.

 Best,
 wzzl

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Re: [O] [ANN] neo - No Emacs Org in Python

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Oliver,

Neat!  Only browsed it briefly but looks like it has some cool ideas :)q

bikeshed
One comment: it seems strange that the package name is neo and
yet I'm import org'ing.  Maybe the namespace should be neoorg?
/bikeshed

A nice start!  Look forward to seeing more!


Olivier Schwander olivier.schwan...@chadok.info writes:

 Dear Org users,

 I am pleased to do the first announce of neo, which stands for No Emacs
 Org. The goal of this project is to provide a full implementation of
 Org usable in Python.

 Current features 
 ~
   - Org file parser
   - Agenda builder
   - Todo-list builder
   - Custom todo keywords
   - Command line interface for agenda and todo-lists

 Limitations 
 
   - Read-only (no org file modifications support)
   - No drawers parsing
   - No exporters
   - No formaters parsing (like ==, //, ** and so on, it will wait for 
 exporters)
   - No filtering support

 Roadmap 
 
   - Filtering based on tags
   - Write support for changing todo keywords
   - Capture action in the cli
   - Exporter for HTML

 Ideas of possible applications 
 ~~~
   - Command line interface
   - Web applications (for GTD like http://hiveminder.com, or even a wiki)
   - Batch export on a server without emacs
   - Integration with others tools (like vim)
   - Qt/Gtk user interface

 This is not a release (I need to do more tests, and add some
 documentation), but more a request for comments, ideas or possible
 improvement. You can fetch the sources with


   darcs get http://chadok.info/darcs/neo

 and have a look at the repository on http://redmine.chadok.info/projects/neo

 The package can be installed with the usual Python tools (python
 setup.py build/install). Then launch the command 'neo' to see the help (or
 simply launch neo in the sources directory).

 Cheers,

 Olivier



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Re: [O] Occurance property, or some similar name?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 O.K. I wasn't clear what you meant by property in the original post.
 What about :APPOINTMENT:? 

Appointment makes a lot of sense.  +1.  Better than occurance I
think. :)


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Re: [O] Occurance property, or some similar name?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Michael Brand michael.ch.br...@gmail.com writes:

 The name could be critical. To avoid any confusions/collisions I would
 recommend to use just that name TIMESTAMP for easy get/set access:

 * _appointment_ that _occurs_ at bike shop
   :PROPERTIES:
   :TIMESTAMP: 2011-04-12 Tue 19:00
   :END:


Maybe you're already aware, but since TIMESTAMP is a special property
it currently isn't legal to use it as a property.  But maybe you're
suggesting changing that?

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Re: [O] Occurance property, or some similar name?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Michael Brand michael.ch.br...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 16:43, Christopher Allan Webber
 Are your concerns concrete?

 I have thought about and tested this already before: The three example
 items above show up in the agenda, and are still correct even after
 changing with `S-'. So this newer/future Org file format works even
 with the older/today Org software. This is because the Org software
 of today flexibly binds the special property TIMESTAMP per item to the
 first active timestamp (i. e. , not []) that is not prefixed
 with `SCHEDULED: ' or `DEADLINE: '. This binding is the reason why I
 would stick to the name TIMESTAMP when it comes to possibly new
 features that should write this special property keyword explicitly
 for this kind of timestamp. The sibling (not `C-c .') of `C-c
 C-s'/`C-c C-d' that you suggested originally would be such a feature.

 Michael

That's interesting, and no, my concerns weren't concrete.  I just tried
inserting the timestamp property via C-c C-x p and saw that it error'ed,
and wondered if there were further blocks around orgmode's system than
just the property insertion tools.

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Re: [O] Occurance property, or some similar name?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

theo theocr...@theocrite.org writes:

 Hello,

 On 12/04/2011 00:42, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
 I was once one of the many people who apparently originally
 misunderstood what SCHEDULED meant, and used to set it to like, an
 appointment time.

 That's what I do.

 Maybe I lack background, but why do you think it's not appropriate for
 this use?

So when it comes to TODO like things, SCHEDULED is when you should start
working on it, DEADLINE is when it's due.

One side effect of doing it wrong is that non-TODO items that are
SCHEDULED stay on your agenda forever (or until archived, and still
forever with archive view on), which is nasty.

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[O] Occurance property, or some similar name?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I was once one of the many people who apparently originally
misunderstood what SCHEDULED meant, and used to set it to like, an
appointment time.

It seems the appropriate thing for what I actually meant was to just
put a timestamp anywhere in the entry and that works out well.  A lot of
people put it on the header apparently, and that seems insane to me.

I kind of miss how nice it was back when I misunderstood how events work
(escept for all of those non-TODOs staying around forever on my
agenda..) where I had a dedicated property for this, and pressing
C-c C-s would always change that property.

What I'm saying I guess is:
 - Is there a popular property name for when something should be
   happening, in a non-TODO way?  I've thought of OCCURANCE but maybe
   that isn't the best (I suspect not)
 - Maybe if we formalize this property, we should make a command for it?
   Maybe C-c C-S-o?
 - It would be nice to formalize this so we could actually steer people
   in the right direction in the docs.

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[O] [BUG] Markup such as *emphasis* in HTML exported links contain tags like b [7.5 (release_7.5.34.g6a369)]

[Christopher Allan Webber]

An html export of:

#+BEGIN_SRC org
I am [[http://example.org][so *ERRATICALLY* /excited/ about this *LINK*]]
#+END_SRC

Results in:

I am a href=http://example.org;so lt;bgt;ERRATICALLYlt;/bgt;
lt;igt;excitedlt;/igt; about this lt;bgt;LINKlt;/bgt;/a

Whereas it *should* result in:

I am a href=http://example.org;so bERRATICALLY/b iexcited/i
about this bLINK/b/a

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
 of 2011-03-18 on grumps
Package: Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.34.g6a369)
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Re: [O] T-shirt idea

[Christopher Allan Webber]

What about mom's orgmode file?

Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

 T-shirt idea for babies/little kids:
 http://dunsmor.com/img/110325094800.png


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Re: [O] T-shirt idea

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I do think they are both very cute :)

Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 What about mom's orgmode file?

 Good point.  Here's one for the Moms:
 http://dunsmor.com/img/110325124500.png


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Re: [Orgmode] Capture while Buffer is narrowed to subtree

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello Memnon!

I've definitely been experiencing this problem as well.  It's a frequent
annoyance.  It keeps breaking the flow of my orgmode files, since I
narrow to subree all the time, and capture all the time. :(

I don't think this is an intended feature, though I wonder if it's
fixable?  I hope so... I haven't had the chance to investigate the code
(and my fsf papers still haven't arrived so I couldn't fix it even if I
knew how).

Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@googlemail.com writes:

 Hi,

 I've been working on a large subtree of my main orgfile while it was
 narrowed [C-x n s]. While doing so, I wanted to capture some information
 which usually ends up under * Inbox at the bottom of that file. This
 time, the information ended up in the narrowed buffer with a new *
 Inbox added. I only noticed after a while that my captured TODOs were
 not where I expected them to be.

 I know why this is happening (I guess :) but I was wondering if this was
 intended behaviour. If so, maybe a footnote should be added to the
 manual that hints at possible side effects of `C-x n s'?

 Memnon

 capture template
 #+begin_src emacs-lisp
   (setq 
org-capture-templates 
'((t Todo entry (file+headline ~/life/organizer.org Inbox) * TODO 
 %?\n  %U\n  %i\n  %a)
   (o Someday entry (file+headline ~/life/organizer.org Inbox) * 
 SOMEDAY %?\n  %U\n  %i\n  %a)
   (a Appointment entry (file+headline ~/life/organizer.org Inbox) 
 * APPT %?\n  %^T\n  %U\n  %i\n  %a)
   (b Bookmark entry (file+headline ~/life/bookmarks.org Inbox) * 
 %a %?\n  %u)
   ...))
 #+end_src

 Org-mode version 7.4

 GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0) of 2010-12-11 on 
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[Orgmode] Re: Nice python listings colors, or solution to beamer + minted brokenness?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Dan Davison dandavis...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 I believe I have just fixed the problem with minted and beamer. Please
 pull latex org from git and restart emacs, or

 (setq org-beamer-fragile-re ^[ 
 \t]*begin{\\(verbatim\\|lstlisting\\|minted\\)})

 Personally I think that minted will be preferable to listings for your
 application.

 Dan

Dan:

It works!  That looks *fantastic.*  Thank you *so* much! :D :D :D

 - cwebb

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[Christopher Allan Webber]

Dan, all this information is super helpful.  Thanks!  My presentation is
going to look great now, I think!

I really appreciate your help!
 - cwebb

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[Orgmode] Nice python listings colors, or solution to beamer + minted brokenness?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello all,

I currently am trying to export something vaguely like this for a
presentation in beamer:

#+BEGIN_SRC python :exports code
class ReferenceDeskPanel(bpy.types.Panel):
bl_label = 'Reference Desk'
bl_space_type = 'VIEW_3D'
bl_region_type = 'TOOLS'

def draw(self, context):
layout = self.layout

row = layout.row()
row.prop(
context.scene, 'refdesk_search',
text=, icon='VIEWZOOM')

search_string = context.scene.get('refdesk_search')
#+END_SRC

I've tried using listings with:

#+begin_LaTeX
  \definecolor{keywords}{RGB}{255,0,90}
  \definecolor{comments}{RGB}{60,179,113}
  
  \lstset{
language=\Python,
keywordstyle=\color{keywords},
commentstyle=\color{comments}emph,
procnamestyle=\color{blue}\textbf,
emphstyle=\color{black}\bfseries, 
}
#+end_LaTeX

in my document but I can't figure out how to get the class name
(ReferenceDeskPanel) to be highlighted in any form.  I've read through
the listings manual but I can't find any reference on how to do this.

I also tried using minted, but I'm running into the problem discussed in
this thread:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/32147/match=minted

I'm at wit's end... I just want to figure out how to syntax highlight my
whole python snippet!  Any examples of good color sets in listings to
use would be *greatly* appreciated!  Or a solution to that minted +
beamer problem!  Either one!

Super, ultra thanks in advance,
 - cwebb

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Re: [Orgmode] Nice python listings colors, or solution to beamer + minted brokenness?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hi Chris,

That'll work well enough for now I think.  Thanks much for the response!

Chris Malone chris.m.mal...@gmail.com writes:

 Also, it's not an elegant or automated solution, but check out Section
 2.8: Emphasize Identifiers in the listings manual.? You could
 basically add something like

 emph={ReferenceDeskPanel}, emphstyle=\color{blue}

 to your =lstset= to get that particular class to have a blue font.?
 You could add such a line for /every/ class you have by putting in the
 optional class number argument as described in the manual.? I don't
 know how one could do this for every word that follows the Python
 =class= directive, as the =lstset= /key-value/ setup doesn't allow for
 such things...

 HTH,

 Chris

 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Chris Malone chris.m.mal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Hi Chris,

 I doubt this will fix the problem (it is more of a curiosity), but why in 
 your =lstset= do you have the language as \Python instead of Python?

 Chris

 On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Christopher Allan Webber 
 cweb...@dustycloud.org wrote:

 Hello all,

 I currently am trying to export something vaguely like this for a
 presentation in beamer:

 #+BEGIN_SRC python :exports codebr
 class ReferenceDeskPanel(bpy.types.Panel):br
  . .bl_label = #39;Reference Desk#39;br
  . .bl_space_type = #39;VIEW_3D#39;br
  . .bl_region_type = #39;TOOLS#39;br
 br
  . .def draw(self, context):br
  . . . .layout = self.layoutbr
 br
  . . . .row = layout.row()br
  . . . .row.prop(br
  . . . . . .context.scene, #39;refdesk_search#39;,br
  . . . . . .text=quot;quot;, icon=#39;VIEWZOOM#39;)br
 br
  . . . .search_string = context.scene.get(#39;refdesk_search#39;)br
 #+END_SRCbr
 I've tried using listings with:

 #+begin_LaTeXbr
  .\definecolor{keywords}{RGB}{255,0,90}br
  .\definecolor{comments}{RGB}{60,179,113}br
 br
  .\lstset{br
  . .language=\Python,br
  . .keywordstyle=\color{keywords},br
  . .commentstyle=\color{comments}emph,br
  . .procnamestyle=\color{blue}\textbf,br
  . .emphstyle=\color{black}\bfseries,br
  . .}br
 #+end_LaTeXbr
 in my document but I can't figure out how to get the class name
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 the listings manual but I can't find any reference on how to do this.

 I also tried using minted, but I'm running into the problem discussed in
 this thread:

 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/32147/match=minted

 I'm at wit's end... I just want to figure out how to syntax highlight my
 whole python snippet! ?Any examples of good color sets in listings to
 use would be *greatly* appreciated! ?Or a solution to that minted +
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Re: [Orgmode] export weekly completed/late items

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I do this for generating work reports, but all I do is 

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setq org-log-done 'time)
(setq org-log-state-notes-into-drawer t)
#+end_src

To enable logging (second line is to prevent cluttering things up)

Then in the agenda:

press v l to enable logging
press v a to enable archived trees
press b to go back a week.

It also helps that I have

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
; Start weekly view from present day
(setq org-agenda-start-on-weekday nil)
#+end_src

set so that the agenda starts on the current day.

I usually end up generating reports for the last two weeks... I've
considered looking to see if there's a way to set up agenda commands to
generate a list of the last two weeks' tasks so I didn't have to press
back twice, but I haven't tried yet :)

Does that help?
 - cwebb

Kyle Farrell k...@nwlink.com writes:

 I'm a bit of a newbie to org-mode, so where should I start to look at
 this?  Is there existing functionality in either org-agenda or
 org-export that would be a good starting point?


 Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
 This is a great idea, and one I would use myself. I don't think you
 could configure the agenda to build something like that though, I'd
 say we'd need to come up with some custom elisp code or a script that
 parses the org archive file and does the dirty job.
 
 Marcelo.
 
 On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Kyle Farrell k...@nwlink.com wrote:
  I'm trying to create a weekly report of items completed or
  outstanding.  I'd like to bucket these by status.  I've got my entries
  with a DEADLINE calendar date set.
 
  For example given the org input:
 
  * TODO Fix bug for software project X
    DEADLINE: 2011-02-07 Mon
  * DONE Update documentation for feature Y
    DEADLINE: 2011-02-09 Wed
  * DONE Scope out new version of Z
    DEADLINE: 2011-02-09 Wed
  * TODO Code new version of Z
    DEADLINE: 2011-02-17 Thu
 
  I'd like to bucketize these based on the current date TODO status.  If
  the date is 2/11/2011, based on the deadline and the status I'd like
  to see:
 
   Missed:
   2011-02-07: Fix bug for software project X
 
   Completed:
   2011-02-09: Update documentation for feature Y
   2011-02-09: Scope out new version of Z
 
   Coming up:
   2011-02-17: Code new version of Z
 
 
  Am I best using an agenda view to create this?  Or would this be in a
  custom exporter?
 
  thanks!
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Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Taskwarrior, nice GTD-oriented CLI thing

[Christopher Allan Webber]

As I understand it, D-bus works on windows, OSX, GNU/Linux.

Why reinvent the wheel?

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes:

 Must be something that is really cross-platform. Don't forget there
 are OSX and Windows users around!

 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
 cweb...@dustycloud.org wrote:
 Dbus bindings?

 Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Marcelo,

 Emacs can run as a dameon and as that you could access it via
 emacsclient. What is needed is a nice interface to allow to send
 simple requests to insert and fetch data from org-mode. Some of the
 org-mode function might do this already, however, I guess a decent
 layer which hides the complex org-mode routines and provides simple to
 use in- and output functions might be more effective.

 Greetings

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Re: [Orgmode] [OT] Taskwarrior, nice GTD-oriented CLI thing

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Dbus bindings?

Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Marcelo,

 Emacs can run as a dameon and as that you could access it via
 emacsclient. What is needed is a nice interface to allow to send
 simple requests to insert and fetch data from org-mode. Some of the
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Re: [Orgmode] Possible Calc support for Org-Babel?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

(failed to wide-reply initially)

I just had use for this for some quick calculations I wanted to add to
one of my files, but...

Any idea why variables inside of parentheses don't work, but variables
outside of them do?

#+BEGIN_SRC calc :var testvar=9000
testvar - 200
#+END_SRC

#+results:
: 8800


#+BEGIN_SRC calc :var testvar=9000
(testvar - 200) 800
#+END_SRC

#+results:
: 800 testvar - 16

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Alright,

 I've just pushed up support for variables.  The following should all
 work as expected (or at least as I would expect them to).  Note that
 most all of these blocks would have an effect on the calc stack.  I
 think the next step would be to allow different sessions to specify
 different stacks.

 ** playing with calc support
 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :results silent
   (require 'ob-calc)
 #+end_src
 #+begin_src calc :var some=8
   some
   some
   '*
   1
   '+
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 : 65

 #+begin_src calc
   2*(8+8)
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 : 32

 #+begin_src calc
   2*e
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 : 5.43656365692

 #+begin_src calc :var something=9
   2*something
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 : 18

 There are very likely some bugs, and as always I'm eager for a calc
 power user to show me the light of how this support could be make more
 calc idiomatic.

 Cheers -- Eric

 Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes:

 Forgot to CC the list et al.

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes:

 [...]

 I now wonder if it would be worthwhile discussing the choices you have
 made regarding stack versus algebraic evaluation.  I would rather have
 the quote mean an algebraic expression, just from the simple reason that
 these will be longer than stack operations and so the overhead of a
 quote is smaller as a percentage of keystrokes...


 Hmm, one point against prefixing the algebraic expressions is that they
 would be more likely to be used by themselves in an inline code block.

 Yes, I guess so.  My initial thoughts were that we have plenty of
 algebraic languages available already through babel (octave, R, python,
 ...) so why not support a stack based one more directly.   However, the
 real benefit of calc is that it is *emacs* and not external!  Algebraic
 is more natural to most people so making it easy for them to express
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Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode Code Blocks Manuscript: Request For Comments

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hey Eric!

I've greatly enjoyed reading this paper.

One comment: Figure 1 shows its first src block as type sh, but it's
clearly C (it's tangling to .c at the very least...)

Again, great and fun article!
 - cwebb

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,

 Dan Davison, Tom Dye, Carsten Dominik and myself have been working on a
 paper introducing Org-mode's code block functionality.  We plan to
 submit this paper to the Journal of Statistical Software.  As both
 Org-mode and the code block functionality are largely products of this
 mailing list community, and in the spirit of an open peer review process
 we are releasing the current draft of the paper here to solicit your
 review and comments.

 Both the .org and .pdf formats of the paper are available at the
 following locations.

 http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/org-paper/babel.org

 http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/org-paper/babel.pdf

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Babel, Python and UTF-8

[Christopher Allan Webber]

(Also worth mentioning that python 3 allows you to use actual unicode
characters inside strings in the file, not \xff chars; not sure if
org-babel needs to change its habits between python2 and python3?)

Vincent Beffara vbeff...@ens-lyon.fr writes:

 #+begin_src python
 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
 s = é
 #+end_src

 I'm not sure to understand your problem. In fact, the problem is not
 about inserting a prefix to the block, it's about the coding system
 itself, I guess.

 Your é in your Org buffer, how is it encoded?  Is your Org buffer an
 UTF-8 one, or a Latin-1?

 Doesn't really matter, in fact ... Whenever a python file contains a
 non-ascii character (utf-8 or latin-1) it insists on finding an
 indication of the encoding within the file. If latin-1, it finds \xe9,
 if utf-8, it finds \xc3, but in both cases it raises this:

 # SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xe9' in file /Users/vincent/toto.py
 # on line 1, but no encoding declared; see
 # http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details

 That's even if the character in question lies within a string. That
 makes a lot of sense in terms of portability, but it makes on-the-fly
 evaluation a bit more complicated.

 In the second, you want an ISO Latin 1 block of text to be tangled or
 executed as UTF-8. Is this right?

 No, I want everything in utf-8, there is no converting to do anywhere,
 just telling python that it is utf-8.

 Isn't such a prefix already available through the shebang option:
 can't it be multiline?  Anyway, I don't think it's the problem here...

 Hmm, didn't know about :shebang, but it seems to be ignored (at least
 for python) because this works without a syntax error:

 #+begin_src python :shebang sldfkj
 return 1
 #+end_src

 Anyway, :prefix cannot hurt I guess ...

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Re: [Orgmode] Bastien is going to become the maintainer of Org mode in January

[Christopher Allan Webber]

+1.  To say orgmode has changed my life is a tremendous understatement.
It has brought powerful order and sense to a person with a strong case
of ADD and far too many projects.

I tossed some money your way via paypal, but I don't think that can show
my thanks enough.

Thank you, Carsten!


Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:

 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:51:02PM +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote:
 Dear all,

 after 7 years of responsibility for Org-mode, it is time for
 me to let go and step down as the maintainer of Org-mode.

 *snip*

 I hope very much that you will all continue to enjoy a life
 in plain text :)

 With kind regards

 - Carsten

 Carsten,

 Your dedication has been incredible, and I often find myself wishing I
 were half the programmer you are in order to contribute more. I wholly
 respect the amount of time you've invested, and am very grateful for
 the great work you've accomplished!

 Bastien has some big shoes to fill, and I'm confident we'll be in good
 hands.

 Thank you for helping us all embark on a life of plain text!

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[Orgmode] Bridging bugtrackers and orgmode (CC Labs blogpost)

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello all,

I pushed a blogpost today on how I bridge together our bugtracker at
Creative Commons with my own private TODO list in orgmode:

http://labs.creativecommons.org/2010/11/10/bridging-public-bugtrackers-and-local-tasklists/

I'm curious if other people are doing something different or similar.
Also, would this be a good topic for me to add to Worg?

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Re: [Orgmode] Bridging bugtrackers and orgmode (CC Labs blogpost)

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Yes, I've seen org-issues, which is very cool.  It's actually almost the
reverse of what I'm describing (using orgmode to make a bugtracker out
of other data), so in that sense it is related. :)

I'll look at adding it, or a link to the post, to worg somewhere then.

Thanks, and glad you enjoyed the post.


Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 David Maus is maintaining a page on Worg which tracks Org-mode
 development tasks [1] and maintains links to both messages in this
 mailing list and patches in the Org-mode patchwork server [2].  While
 this solves a slightly different problem than the setup you describe in
 your blog post I think the two are certainly related.

 It would be great to add something to Worg (even if it is just a link to
 your blog post).  I'm not sure where this would best fit into Worg, but
 either an entry into the FAQ page or into the Babel examples page would
 certainly work.

 I really enjoyed your blog post, and I'm always happy to see Babel being
 used successfully.

 Thanks for sharing! -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hello all,

 I pushed a blogpost today on how I bridge together our bugtracker at
 Creative Commons with my own private TODO list in orgmode:

 http://labs.creativecommons.org/2010/11/10/bridging-public-bugtrackers-and-local-tasklists/

 I'm curious if other people are doing something different or similar.
 Also, would this be a good topic for me to add to Worg?

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[Orgmode] [BUG] [Babel] Quotes-in-strings not being escaped in python, breaking output

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Strings with quotes in them aren't having the inner quotes escaped right
while read by ob-python in python.  Example:

#+BEGIN_SRC python
return [['607', 'Show license short name on the deed'],
['255', 'Smart 404 pages']]
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#+results:
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Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] [Babel] Quotes-in-strings not being escaped in python, breaking output

[Christopher Allan Webber]

It looks like \' and  are not being escaped in
org-babel-python-table-or-string, which is the problem.

Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Strings with quotes in them aren't having the inner quotes escaped right
 while read by ob-python in python.  Example:

 #+BEGIN_SRC python
 return [['607', 'Show license short name on the deed'],
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Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] [Babel] Quotes-in-strings not being escaped in python, breaking output

[Christopher Allan Webber]

I worry about this a bit because of the possible security issue: the
ability to execute arbitrary code, since the structure that gets
constructed is eval'ed.

eg:

#+BEGIN_SRC python
return [['607', 'Show license short name on the deed'],
['255', '))(message (concat 'hello ' 'world]]
#+END_SRC

That constructs a set of listp objects which are evaluated and look
like:

'((607 Show license short name on the deed) (255 ))
(message (concat hello  world))

It doesn't seem like the second one is being evaluated but it makes me
nervous that it's being passed through eval like this at all.

Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 It looks like \' and  are not being escaped in
 org-babel-python-table-or-string, which is the problem.

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Strings with quotes in them aren't having the inner quotes escaped right
 while read by ob-python in python.  Example:

 #+BEGIN_SRC python
 return [['607', 'Show license short name on the deed'],
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Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] AM/PM support on the agenda timegrid

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Based on off-list contact, apparently at least one other person is using
this, so FYI I pushed another commit which resolves an issue where there
was no space between the time and the event.  That's fixed now, things
look correct now like:

Saturday6 November 2010
   8:00AM 
  ccommons:9:00AM-11:00AM Some weekend work  :work::
  10:00AM 
  12:00PM 
   2:00PM 
   4:00PM 
   6:00PM 
   8:00PM 

If there's any adjustments I would need to make to get this merged into
master, let me know.

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 Hello all,

 I get distracted parsing 24-hour-time into 12-hour AM/PM style time.  So
 I added support for AM/PM style time on the agenda timegrid.

 git clone git://dustycloud.org/org-mode -b ampm

 (Check out the ampm branch.)

 Then:

 #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
 (setq org-agenda-timegrid-use-ampm t)
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Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] AM/PM support on the agenda timegrid

[Christopher Allan Webber]

And I'm indifferent, am/pm works for me :)

Pushed a patch.

Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 can I convince you to use am and pm instead of AM and PM?  The
 capitals hurt my eyes :)

 - Carsten

 On Nov 6, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:

 Based on off-list contact, apparently at least one other person is
 using
 this, so FYI I pushed another commit which resolves an issue where
 there
 was no space between the time and the event.  That's fixed now, things
 look correct now like:

 Saturday6 November 2010
   8:00AM 
  ccommons:9:00AM-11:00AM Some weekend work
 :work::
  10:00AM 
  12:00PM 
   2:00PM 
   4:00PM 
   6:00PM 
   8:00PM 

 If there's any adjustments I would need to make to get this merged
 into
 master, let me know.

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hello all,

 I get distracted parsing 24-hour-time into 12-hour AM/PM style
 time.  So
 I added support for AM/PM style time on the agenda timegrid.

 git clone git://dustycloud.org/org-mode -b ampm

 (Check out the ampm branch.)

 Then:

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[Orgmode] [PATCH] AM/PM support on the agenda timegrid

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Hello all,

I get distracted parsing 24-hour-time into 12-hour AM/PM style time.  So
I added support for AM/PM style time on the agenda timegrid.

git clone git://dustycloud.org/org-mode -b ampm

(Check out the ampm branch.)

Then:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(setq org-agenda-timegrid-use-ampm t)
#+END_SRC

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[Orgmode] [BUG] org-babel :session breaks returning things with python?

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello,

In the latest org master, I get this issue:

#+BEGIN_SRC python
return 33
#+END_SRC

#+results:
: 33

#+BEGIN_SRC python :session
return 33
#+END_SRC

#+results:
: org_babel_python_eoe

Not really sure what's happening, but I'm seeing inside of *Python*:

:  return 33
: 
: open('/tmp/babel-283184et/python-28318XQy', 'w').write(str(_))
: 
: 
: 'org_babel_python_eoe'
:   File stdin, line 1
: SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
:Traceback (most recent call last):
:   File stdin, line 1, in module
: NameError: name '_' is not defined
:'org_babel_python_eoe'
:  

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[Orgmode] [BUG] Making *scratch* orgmode results in unfontified code blocks

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Not sure if I should mark this as a bug or not... could be PEBKAC, but I
can't figure out how to fix it.

I want to use org-mode as my *scratch* buffer, largely because I like
dumping fontified code snippets into it.  However, if I set *scratch* to
org-mode and also set org-src-fontify, etc, well beforehand, it still
doesn't fontify when I put src blocks in later.

To test, put this in your .emacs:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setq org-src-fontify-natively t)
(setq org-src-tab-acts-natively t)

(setq initial-major-mode 'org-mode)
(with-current-buffer *scratch*
  (if (not (eq major-mode initial-major-mode))
  (funcall initial-major-mode)))
(setq initial-scratch-message
  (purecopy \
# Scratch!
# 
# This buffer is for notes you don't want to save, etc.
))
#+end_src

then open emacs, switch to *scratch*, try inserting code.

Over here at least, it doesn't seem to fontify.

Running latest master in git.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Scot Becker scot.bec...@gmail.com writes:

 I once saw a video of someone doing a live presentation on something
 Emacs-y and he did the presentation by typing headlines, lists and
 detail in a clean Emacs buffer as he went along, similar to the way
 that some teachers might write out subject headings or outlines on the
 chalkboard or overhead projector as they lecture.  I liked this a
 lot. As I see it, for less formal presentation situations, it lets you
 annotate and record class discussions discussions.  It also lets the
 talk proceed in a less scripted manner:  you can for example re-work
 the problem on the fly according to the way the group has defined it
 in the moment, not only according to the way you planned it at home.

 But doing it on the fly means that you don't have any of the
 advantages of typical slide-style presentations: an outline to prompt
 you, important figures, tables and visuals already there, links,
 detail, and the rest, pre-assembled.

I usually do something in-between this at my talks: I just have an
orgmode file that I typed up a brief outline of my talk that I plan to
give inside, along with src code snippets, links, whatever.  This often
works well for a highly technical audience I find.

However, yeah, I've also been interested in a less nerdy presentation
route myself... s5?  One of these others?  There seem to be a lot of
good options these days.  :)

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[Orgmode] BUG: Filtering the agenda can cause actions on the wrong task

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello!

Say I have a couple of entries on my agenda:

  life:   Sched.25x:  TODO Places to notify change of address
  ccommons:   Sched.19x:  TODO Public domain mark:work::

My cursor is hovered over the notify change of address task.  I then
filter the agenda to the work tab with / TAB work RET.

Now my cursor is on the Public domain mark, but if I do any action
it'll act on the (now invisible) change of address task.  If I press
enter, it'll jump to the change of adddress task, if I press t, it'll
change the TODO state, etc.

I've accidentally mis-closed a few tasks this way...

What I'm guessing needs to happen is somehow after the filtering takes
place that point needs to *actually* get moved, which I'm guessing it
doesn't currently?

I'm experiencing this error in git master.  Thanks!
 - Christopher Allan Webber

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Re: [Orgmode] Agenda and weather forecast

[Christopher Allan Webber]

There have been a number of complaints about missing sexp that seem to
be unrelated to the storm bug.  It seems that if loop from the
cl-macs package is not already loaded a sexp error appears.

Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info writes:

 Hi folks,

 If anybody is interested, I've wrote an small extension to put some
 weather forecasts in the agenda.

 It can be found here[1]. I've blogged about it yesterday, so if you're
 curious you can read the entry[2].

 Happy hacking,

 [1]  http://julien.danjou.info/google-weather-el.html
 [2]  http://julien.danjou.info/blog/

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Re: [Orgmode] Agenda and weather forecast

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Adding (require 'cl) seems to fix things; patch included.

diff --git a/google-weather.el b/google-weather.el
index d86165d..bc4c7d0 100644
--- a/google-weather.el
+++ b/google-weather.el
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
 ;;
 ;;; Code:
 
+(require 'cl)
 (require 'url)
 (require 'url-cache)
 (require 'xml)


Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 There have been a number of complaints about missing sexp that seem to
 be unrelated to the storm bug.  It seems that if loop from the
 cl-macs package is not already loaded a sexp error appears.

 Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info writes:

 Hi folks,

 If anybody is interested, I've wrote an small extension to put some
 weather forecasts in the agenda.

 It can be found here[1]. I've blogged about it yesterday, so if you're
 curious you can read the entry[2].

 Happy hacking,

 [1]  http://julien.danjou.info/google-weather-el.html
 [2]  http://julien.danjou.info/blog/
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Re: [Orgmode] Org-babel `:hlines yes` no longer working for python

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hm.  I've found a bug with this patch:

#+begin_src python
return [['foo', 'bar', 'baz'], [a, b, None of the above], ['1', 2, 3]]
#+end_src

#+results:
| foo | bar | baz|
| a   | b   | hline of the above |
| 1   | 2   | 3  |

This also replaces the word None anywhere with hline, even in
strings.


Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,

 OK, I've applied this patch.

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Eric,

 Looks good to me!  It's abusing the None type's meaning a little, but
 I think it's acceptable enough.  (If you think of hlines as rows that
 are not rows, you can trick yourself into thinking it is perfectly
 pythonic :))


 Yea, this semantic mismatch bothered me, however it looks like Python
 doesn't have anything like symbols that could be used here, and I guess
 there isn't an issue of wanting to preserve None for nil mapping
 because nil can be represented with an empty list [].

 Thanks for bringing this up! -- Eric


  - cwebb

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 I'm certainly no Python expert, but I implemented your idea of
 converting hlines to and from None's (patch below [1]), and it seems
 to work (under some definition of work).  See the following example with
 the new behavior.


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols :hlines yes
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+results: echo-table
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Please, Python people, try this out and if you like the behavior then
 I'll happily apply the patch.

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hey Eric,

 Thanks for the super helpful reply!

 Out of curiosity, is it likely that we will ever get hline support in
 Python and etc?  I've been pondering how it might be done, and maybe it
 could be like this, using a '|-' string instead of a list for the row:

 [['a', 'b', 'c'], '|-', ['d', 'e', 'f'], ['g', 'h', 'i']]

 Which would produce:

 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 Alternately maybe the same thing could be done by abusing None:

 [['a', 'b', 'c'], None, ['d', 'e', 'f'], ['g', 'h', 'i']]

 Thoughts?
  - cwebb

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 Thanks for pointing this out, this is an error in the documentation,
 which I will update.  The code you posted should generate the error you
 have received.

 Currently the only language which can handle hlines is emacs-lisp, all
 other languages will result in errors like the one you pasted below.
 That's not to say that it wouldn't be possible to add hline handling to
 other languages, or to maybe do something tricky like session-based
 evaluation in which an `hlines' variable was pre-initialized to some
 value, but I digress.

 Note that it *is* possible to have hlines in the output, using colnames,
 e.g.


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: A
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 #+begin_src python :var tab=A :colnames yes
 return [[val + '*' for val in row] for row in tab]
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a  | b  | c  |
 |++|
 | d* | e* | f* |
 | g* | h* | i* |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 which works because the hline, and the column names, are never made
 available to python, rather Babel holds onto them and then re-applies
 them to the source block's output.

 or even to have an elisp block add hlines to your results


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var table=echo-table
   (butlast (apply #'append (mapcar (lambda (el) (list el 'hline)) table)))
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Thanks for pointing this out!

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hello all,

 I was going through the tutorial and testing the :hlines yes feature as
 described in the info manual.  Unfortunately, the example given no
 longer seems to work for python:

 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols :hlines yes
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+results: echo-table
 | a | b | c |
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 In the buffer *Org-Babel Error Output* I see:

 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File stdin, line

Re: [Orgmode] Org-babel `:hlines yes` no longer working for python

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Works perfect now... Thanks! :D

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Chris,

 Thanks for catching this.  I've just pushed up a patch which should fix
 the issue.

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hm.  I've found a bug with this patch:

 #+begin_src python
 return [['foo', 'bar', 'baz'], [a, b, None of the above], ['1', 2, 3]]
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | foo | bar | baz|
 | a   | b   | hline of the above |
 | 1   | 2   | 3  |

 This also replaces the word None anywhere with hline, even in
 strings.


 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,

 OK, I've applied this patch.

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Eric,

 Looks good to me!  It's abusing the None type's meaning a little, but
 I think it's acceptable enough.  (If you think of hlines as rows that
 are not rows, you can trick yourself into thinking it is perfectly
 pythonic :))


 Yea, this semantic mismatch bothered me, however it looks like Python
 doesn't have anything like symbols that could be used here, and I guess
 there isn't an issue of wanting to preserve None for nil mapping
 because nil can be represented with an empty list [].

 Thanks for bringing this up! -- Eric


  - cwebb

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 I'm certainly no Python expert, but I implemented your idea of
 converting hlines to and from None's (patch below [1]), and it seems
 to work (under some definition of work).  See the following example with
 the new behavior.


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols :hlines yes
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+results: echo-table
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Please, Python people, try this out and if you like the behavior then
 I'll happily apply the patch.

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hey Eric,

 Thanks for the super helpful reply!

 Out of curiosity, is it likely that we will ever get hline support in
 Python and etc?  I've been pondering how it might be done, and maybe it
 could be like this, using a '|-' string instead of a list for the row:

 [['a', 'b', 'c'], '|-', ['d', 'e', 'f'], ['g', 'h', 'i']]

 Which would produce:

 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 Alternately maybe the same thing could be done by abusing None:

 [['a', 'b', 'c'], None, ['d', 'e', 'f'], ['g', 'h', 'i']]

 Thoughts?
  - cwebb

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 Thanks for pointing this out, this is an error in the documentation,
 which I will update.  The code you posted should generate the error you
 have received.

 Currently the only language which can handle hlines is emacs-lisp, all
 other languages will result in errors like the one you pasted below.
 That's not to say that it wouldn't be possible to add hline handling to
 other languages, or to maybe do something tricky like session-based
 evaluation in which an `hlines' variable was pre-initialized to some
 value, but I digress.

 Note that it *is* possible to have hlines in the output, using colnames,
 e.g.


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: A
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 #+begin_src python :var tab=A :colnames yes
 return [[val + '*' for val in row] for row in tab]
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a  | b  | c  |
 |++|
 | d* | e* | f* |
 | g* | h* | i* |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 which works because the hline, and the column names, are never made
 available to python, rather Babel holds onto them and then re-applies
 them to the source block's output.

 or even to have an elisp block add hlines to your results


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var table=echo-table
   (butlast (apply #'append (mapcar (lambda (el) (list el 'hline)) 
 table)))
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Thanks for pointing this out!

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hello all,

 I was going through the tutorial and testing the :hlines yes feature as
 described in the info manual.  Unfortunately, the example given no
 longer seems to work for python:

 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source

[Orgmode] Org-babel `:hlines yes` no longer working for python

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hello all,

I was going through the tutorial and testing the :hlines yes feature as
described in the info manual.  Unfortunately, the example given no
longer seems to work for python:

#+tblname: many-cols
| a | b | c |
|---+---+---|
| d | e | f |
|---+---+---|
| g | h | i |

#+source: echo-table
#+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols :hlines yes
  return tab
#+end_src

#+results: echo-table
| a | b | c |
| d | e | f |
| g | h | i |

In the buffer *Org-Babel Error Output* I see:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File stdin, line 6, in module
  File stdin, line 3, in main
NameError: global name 'hline' is not defined

In emacs-lisp this still seems to work though.  But I also see that in
emacs lisp hlines are represented by the hline symbol.  I'm guessing
that the python equivalent was trying to do the same thing, but no hline
variable exists in python?

Thanks!
 - cwebb

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Re: [Orgmode] Org-babel `:hlines yes` no longer working for python

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Eric,

Looks good to me!  It's abusing the None type's meaning a little, but
I think it's acceptable enough.  (If you think of hlines as rows that
are not rows, you can trick yourself into thinking it is perfectly
pythonic :))

 - cwebb

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 I'm certainly no Python expert, but I implemented your idea of
 converting hlines to and from None's (patch below [1]), and it seems
 to work (under some definition of work).  See the following example with
 the new behavior.


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols :hlines yes
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+results: echo-table
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Please, Python people, try this out and if you like the behavior then
 I'll happily apply the patch.

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hey Eric,

 Thanks for the super helpful reply!

 Out of curiosity, is it likely that we will ever get hline support in
 Python and etc?  I've been pondering how it might be done, and maybe it
 could be like this, using a '|-' string instead of a list for the row:

 [['a', 'b', 'c'], '|-', ['d', 'e', 'f'], ['g', 'h', 'i']]

 Which would produce:

 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 Alternately maybe the same thing could be done by abusing None:

 [['a', 'b', 'c'], None, ['d', 'e', 'f'], ['g', 'h', 'i']]

 Thoughts?
  - cwebb

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi Christopher,

 Thanks for pointing this out, this is an error in the documentation,
 which I will update.  The code you posted should generate the error you
 have received.

 Currently the only language which can handle hlines is emacs-lisp, all
 other languages will result in errors like the one you pasted below.
 That's not to say that it wouldn't be possible to add hline handling to
 other languages, or to maybe do something tricky like session-based
 evaluation in which an `hlines' variable was pre-initialized to some
 value, but I digress.

 Note that it *is* possible to have hlines in the output, using colnames,
 e.g.


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: A
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 #+begin_src python :var tab=A :colnames yes
 return [[val + '*' for val in row] for row in tab]
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a  | b  | c  |
 |++|
 | d* | e* | f* |
 | g* | h* | i* |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 which works because the hline, and the column names, are never made
 available to python, rather Babel holds onto them and then re-applies
 them to the source block's output.

 or even to have an elisp block add hlines to your results


 --8---cut here---start-8---
 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+begin_src emacs-lisp :var table=echo-table
   (butlast (apply #'append (mapcar (lambda (el) (list el 'hline)) table)))
 #+end_src

 #+results:
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Thanks for pointing this out!

 Best -- Eric

 Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:

 Hello all,

 I was going through the tutorial and testing the :hlines yes feature as
 described in the info manual.  Unfortunately, the example given no
 longer seems to work for python:

 #+tblname: many-cols
 | a | b | c |
 |---+---+---|
 | d | e | f |
 |---+---+---|
 | g | h | i |

 #+source: echo-table
 #+begin_src python :var tab=many-cols :hlines yes
   return tab
 #+end_src

 #+results: echo-table
 | a | b | c |
 | d | e | f |
 | g | h | i |

 In the buffer *Org-Babel Error Output* I see:

 Traceback (most recent call last):
   File stdin, line 6, in module
   File stdin, line 3, in main
 NameError: global name 'hline' is not defined

 In emacs-lisp this still seems to work though.  But I also see that in
 emacs lisp hlines are represented by the hline symbol.  I'm guessing
 that the python equivalent was trying to do the same thing, but no hline
 variable exists in python?

 Thanks!
  - cwebb

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 [1]  

 diff --git a/lisp/babel/langs/ob-python.el b/lisp/babel/langs/ob-python.el
 index 2ce9e1d..29bb166 100644
 --- a/lisp/babel/langs/ob-python.el
 +++ b/lisp/babel/langs/ob-python.el
 @@ -96,7 +96,7

Re: [Orgmode] Org-mode and Nokia N900

[Christopher Allan Webber]

BTW, as an update to this ood discussion:

You can run emacs, git and orgmode natively on the n900 phone.  In fact,
this is what I do these days (I run emacs in a terminal, so I can use
the escape key that is part of the bottom menu-bar in place of meta).

Emacs + Git + Orgmode + n900 == awesome mobile orgmode (without needing
a special mobile org application)

 - cwebb

Thierry Guillemin tguille...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello

 This question comes after 
 reading http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools
 and before buying a N900...

 Will it be possible to install Org-mode on the N900 (only Emacs available is 
 Qemacs) ?

 Merci d'avance

 T.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Any idea why the git repo is so huge

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes:

 I was under the impression that the one thing that git does not
 advertise is space efficiency - it stores total file blobs for each and
 every change. So I think its efficiency is in terms of speed, not in
 terms of disk usage. And to be honest, if you worry about 54M in a
 development scenario then I'd be surprised when you consider how cheap
 disk is these days.

Git does store those as individual files initially, but once you run git
gc it'll compress them and store only the deltas in the pakfiles.

After I run git gc my orgmode .git/ directory is compressed to 44MB.
Not a huge difference, but a difference nonetheless.
 - cwebb


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode and Nokia N900

[Christopher Allan Webber]

It should be possible to run emacs on Maemo/the n900.  It's a
mostly-normal normal Debian-derived GNU/Linux system.  Emacs was ported
to older versions of Maemo, and while it hasn't been ported yet, most
likely it should be soon.

I've been a bit busy with holiday related stuff, but its on my todo list
to get emacs running on my n900 soon if nobody else does.  I am hoping
to make a d-bus interface from emacs and either bridge orgmode and
maemo's builtin task / calendar system or just make a separate python
scripted UI.

 - cwebb


Óscar Fuentes o...@wanadoo.es writes:

 Thierry Guillemin tguille...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello

 This question comes after reading
 http://lifehacker.com/5419988/five-best-outlining-tools
 and before buying a N900...

 Will it be possible to install Org-mode on the N900 (only Emacs available is
 Qemacs) ?

 It seems that QEmacs has no Emacs Lisp support. Hence org-mode cannot
 run on it.

 You need either Emacs or XEmacs for running org-mode.


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[Orgmode] Patch to fix bug where remember template dies w/ non-filename buffer name

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Hi,

So I ran into an annoying bug where if you have an orgmode remember
template like:

(Test ?e * foo \n %^{Bar}p ~/org/test.org Test)

Currently, if either test.org is not open, or test.org is open but the
buffer is named something else (say, test.org2), orgmode will die when
asking for the property (in this case, Bar).

The issue was that in the org-remember-apply-template function, it would
attempt to get the buffer like so:

  (get-buffer (file-name-nondirectory file))

in other words, it would try to get the buffer with the name of
test.org... no matter what that buffer was, if exists, or if it was
even called that.

I've attached a patch that fixes the problem.

Thanks,
 - Christopher Allan Webber

diff --git a/lisp/org-remember.el b/lisp/org-remember.el
index ae83bec..193eaec 100644
--- a/lisp/org-remember.el
+++ b/lisp/org-remember.el
@@ -586,6 +586,8 @@ to be run from that hook to function properly.
 	  (let*
 		  ((prop (org-substring-no-properties prompt))
 		   (pall (concat prop _ALL))
+   (file-buffer (or (find-buffer-visiting file)
+(find-file-noselect file)))
 		   (allowed
 		(with-current-buffer
 			(or (find-buffer-visiting file) (current-buffer))
@@ -593,7 +595,7 @@ to be run from that hook to function properly.
 			  (cdr (assoc pall org-global-properties))
 			  (cdr (assoc pall org-global-properties-fixed)
 		   (existing (with-current-buffer
- (get-buffer (file-name-nondirectory file))
+ file-buffer
 			   (mapcar 'list (org-property-values prop
 		   (propprompt (concat Value for  prop : ))
 		   (val (if allowed
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