Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: But this is the second time that I have had to defend keeping the tag and I hope that the rest of you will sympathise with my reasons for keeping the tag. Be reassured: at least I do. Hope we can move forward now. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com writes: The thing that is most difficult for me is the fact that I almost never can read the entire subject header. Often I get to read only the first word. Tags will make that worse. I hope the switch from [Orgmode] to [O] will make things easier for you. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
On Mon, Feb 28 2011, Bastien wrote: I changed the [Orgmode] tag to [O]. Couldn't you just drop it? Seriously, this [O] is useless and ridiculous. -- Julien Danjou ❱ http://julien.danjou.info pgpcuBCMMMZGw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info writes: On Mon, Feb 28 2011, Bastien wrote: I changed the [Orgmode] tag to [O]. Couldn't you just drop it? Seriously, this [O] is useless and ridiculous. No, it's useful to people who filter emails through the subject line. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
On Mon, Feb 28 2011, Bastien wrote: No, it's useful to people who filter emails through the subject line. It would be better to teach these people this is not a good practice rather than polluting the subject lines for everybody… -- Julien Danjou ❱ http://julien.danjou.info pgpZrRQKSf1VX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
The thing that is most difficult for me is the fact that I almost never can read the entire subject header. Often I get to read only the first word. Tags will make that worse. I hope the switch from [Orgmode] to [O] will make things easier for you. Since we now have a single letter [O] for the main mailing list, wouldn't it make sense to use [D] for devel and [B] for Babel. Less visual clutter and better on small screens. Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info writes: On Mon, Feb 28 2011, Bastien wrote: I changed the [Orgmode] tag to [O]. Couldn't you just drop it? Seriously, this [O] is useless and ridiculous. Not to me. No, it's useful to people who filter emails through the subject line. Just to clarify my usage (since I was one of the people who argued for keeping a tag): I don't have an MUA filter for this (that would be easy enough to change) - the filter is my eyes: if I have time to spend on org-mode, I will look at an email tagged [Orgmode] [fn:1] If not, I skip it. If there is no distinguishing characteristic at this level, I have to resort to other methods just to see whether the email is relevant to me at this time (usually the author name is enough to classify the email correctly, but not always of course, in which case I might have to read (some of) the email to decide.) The tag saves me time. I sympathise with Samuel's reasons for maximizing information, hence I did not oppose the shortening of the tag. But this is the second time that I have had to defend keeping the tag and I hope that the rest of you will sympathise with my reasons for keeping the tag. Thanks, Nick Footnotes: [fn:1] or [Org] or [O] - I would have preferred [Org] but I'm willing to live with [O]. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
[O] is *much* better than [Orgmode]. Thank you. Looking forward to [OD] and [OB], if that's what we will use. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Julien Danjou jul...@danjou.info writes: On Mon, Feb 28 2011, Bastien wrote: I changed the [Orgmode] tag to [O]. Couldn't you just drop it? Seriously, this [O] is useless and ridiculous. Not to me. Me either. The emails from this mailing list along account for 80% of my daily emails. With a tag and using gmail shortcuts, I can go down the list pressing j for next message and x to select it as I skim the titles to see if anything strikes me as of interest. When I have them all, I scan the senders and subjects once more to catch any accidental selections and then press # to delete. It would suck to actually read every subject to interpret it as mailing list or not *and* also be deciding if I wanted to open it. With the tag I just look for keywords like babel, beamer, lists, etc. to see if I think I'm interested. Mostly... I'm not. [fn:1] or [Org] or [O] - I would have preferred [Org] but I'm willing to live with [O]. Yeah, [O] seems weird to me even though there's nothing really wrong with it... I like [Org] more :) John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
On 28 Feb 2011, at 18:05, Samuel Wales wrote: [O] is *much* better than [Orgmode]. Thank you. Looking forward to [OD] and [OB], if that's what we will use. Plus [OS], for discussions about splitting the mailing list. Konrad PS: Don't worry, this is my last post on this topic! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[O] Re: [Orgmode] Splitting mailing list
Matthew Sauer improv.philoso...@gmail.com writes: I think that if it was kept as a single list the use of tags could allow (as long as people respect the tags) to filter and read only the types of threads they want to use. If we split the lists I would tag both with the same tag in my gmail box and read them all together, so it wouldn't really appear to be any different for me other than the people only reading dev tags or on the dev channel wouldn't see the user discussions. I'm happy either way as I am interested in all org related emails. If split, I would see no difference in the end: the emails from the two lists would end up back in the same list for me as I use filtering (gnus splitting to be precise) to distribute my many emails automatically to their appropriate folders. However, I don't think the volume in this list is that large, assuming readers are using smart mail tools. Especially with threading, it's relatively easy to delete or ignore whole threads at once if they are not of interest. Not that I do that very often with org threads, mind you ;-) -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.4 (release_7.4.553.g83b7.dirty) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
