[Orgmode] Changing star character

2011-02-26 Thread Javier M Mora

Hi,

I want to use org-mode as an ideas-processor to write articles/thesis 
with LaTeX.


I've tried export from org to LaTeX but I don't like results: Every org 
headline become in a latex headline. I want more granularity using org 
to classify my ideas inside a paragraph.


My idea is be able to use the same file as a valid org file and a valid 
LaTeX file and select in which major mode I want to work (org or Auctex) 
depending on my needs.


If I can change star symbol from * char to % char (comment mark in 
LaTeX). It become possible.


Is it possible?
Is there a variable to change star symbol?
Is * so hardcoded that it is impossible change behavior?


Thanks, Javier M Mora.

I'm not member of org-mode list. Please, send me a copy to my personal 
email.


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Re: [Orgmode] Changing star character

2011-02-26 Thread Bastien
Hi Javier,

Javier M Mora jamar...@gmail.com writes:

 If I can change star symbol from * char to % char (comment mark in
 LaTeX). It become possible.

 Is it possible?

No.

 Is there a variable to change star symbol?
 Is * so hardcoded that it is impossible change behavior?

Yes.

Besides, I don't really get what you are trying to achieve, an example
would be better - but this example won't make it easier to change what
you suggest ;)

Best,

-- 
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Re: [Orgmode] Changing star character

2011-02-26 Thread Javier M Mora

On 26/02/11 16:36, Bastien wrote:

Hi Javier,

Javier M Morajamar...@gmail.com  writes:


If I can change star symbol from * char to % char (comment mark in
LaTeX). It become possible.

Is it possible?


No.


Is there a variable to change star symbol?
Is * so hardcoded that it is impossible change behavior?


Yes.

Besides, I don't really get what you are trying to achieve, an example
would be better - but this example won't make it easier to change what
you suggest ;)




I like org-mode, and I like Auctex mode and both are major modes so it's 
not possible use both simultaneous.



I'd like to write scientific text in LaTeX using org-mode way:

% Section: Importance of This
\section{Importance of This}
%% What is it This
   To talk about \emph{this} is important look to several factors:
%%% This depends on That
   \emph{That} is very important in \emph{this} and bla, bla, bla...
%%% This depends on These
   Also, \emph{These} is another. bla bla bla...
%%% This is not another.
   And don't forget another has anything.
 SubIdea
   blablabla


% is the comment in LaTeX and is the outline of my ideas. And the text 
associated to every headline is the text of the article. With  org-mode, 
I can sort ideas (and lines of text associated) moving subtrees. 
org-mode relate ideas with text.


% char is LaTeX comment so LaTeX ignores until the end of line.

The problem is org-mode only works with star '*' character to mark 
headlines and LaTeX would print lots of star in the text. org-mode LaTeX 
export is not enough good for this idea, because every headline in 
org-mode becomes a headline in LaTeX and as you can see in my example 
this is not always the better. The export org-mode to LaTeX of this 
example is:


\section{Section: Importance of This}
\section{Importance of This}
\subsection{What is it This}
   To talk about \emph{this} is important look to several factors:
\subsubsection{This depends on That}
   \emph{That} is very important in \emph{this} and bla, bla, bla...
\subsubsection{This depends on These}
   Also, \emph{These} is another. bla bla bla...
\subsubsection{This is not another.}
   And don't forget another has anything.
\paragraph{SubIdea}
   blablabla

When the desired objetive is put everything in a paragraph:

\section{Importance of This}
   To talk about \emph{this} is important look to several factors:
   \emph{That} is very important in \emph{this} and bla, bla, bla...
   Also, \emph{These} is another. bla bla bla...
   And don't forget another has anything.
   blablabla

etc.


Before and after of send email to org-mode mail list, I read source code 
and I thought star character was hard coded in it. (IMHO star char must 
be a configuration var). But I wanted to hear the opinion of experts 
from the maillist before doing anything.


So, I created two elisp functions to make a translation.:

(defun org2latex ()
  Convert star to comments in LaTeX
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
(goto-char (point-min))
(while (search-forward-regexp ^\*+ nil t)
;  (while (search-backward * (beginning-of-line) t)
;   (replace-match % nil t))
  (let ((finalsearch (point)))
(move-beginning-of-line nil)
(while (search-forward * finalsearch t)
  (replace-match % nil t))
)
  )
)
  (latex-mode)
)

(defun latex2org ()
  Convert comments in LaTeX to stars in org-mode
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
(goto-char (point-min))
(while (search-forward-regexp ^%+ nil t)
;  (while (search-backward % (beginning-of-line) t)
;   (replace-match * nil t))
  (let ((finalsearch (point)))
(move-beginning-of-line nil)
(while (search-forward % finalsearch t)
  (replace-match * nil t))
)
  )
)
;doesn't work. I want open/see the currently (sub)tree
  (let ((position (point)))
(org-mode)
(goto-char position)
)
)

I'm a newbie with elisp. This works but:

1.- I don't spend to much time with search-backward, and didn't work for 
me. So, I had to make a detour with search-forward.


2.- From Latex2org when I start org-mode, All trees are closed. I'd like 
keep open the tree in the cursor.


That all. I hope these functions can help someone or inspire to solve a 
similar problem. To make programs?


Again, I'm not in maillist. Please send me a copy to my email.

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Re: [Orgmode] Changing star character

2011-02-26 Thread Thomas S. Dye

Aloha Javier,

On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Javier M Mora wrote:


On 26/02/11 16:36, Bastien wrote:

Hi Javier,

Javier M Morajamar...@gmail.com  writes:

If I can change star symbol from * char to % char (comment  
mark in

LaTeX). It become possible.

Is it possible?


No.


Is there a variable to change star symbol?
Is * so hardcoded that it is impossible change behavior?


Yes.

Besides, I don't really get what you are trying to achieve, an  
example
would be better - but this example won't make it easier to change  
what

you suggest ;)




I like org-mode, and I like Auctex mode and both are major modes so  
it's not possible use both simultaneous.





You can use both.  You can edit LaTeX source code blocks in Org-mode  
using the AucTeX major mode, then tangle the LaTeX code.


All the best,
Tom




I'd like to write scientific text in LaTeX using org-mode way:

% Section: Importance of This
\section{Importance of This}
%% What is it This
  To talk about \emph{this} is important look to several factors:
%%% This depends on That
  \emph{That} is very important in \emph{this} and bla, bla, bla...
%%% This depends on These
  Also, \emph{These} is another. bla bla bla...
%%% This is not another.
  And don't forget another has anything.
 SubIdea
  blablabla


% is the comment in LaTeX and is the outline of my ideas. And the  
text associated to every headline is the text of the article. With   
org-mode, I can sort ideas (and lines of text associated) moving  
subtrees. org-mode relate ideas with text.


% char is LaTeX comment so LaTeX ignores until the end of line.

The problem is org-mode only works with star '*' character to mark  
headlines and LaTeX would print lots of star in the text. org-mode  
LaTeX export is not enough good for this idea, because every  
headline in org-mode becomes a headline in LaTeX and as you can see  
in my example this is not always the better. The export org-mode to  
LaTeX of this example is:


\section{Section: Importance of This}
\section{Importance of This}
\subsection{What is it This}
  To talk about \emph{this} is important look to several factors:
\subsubsection{This depends on That}
  \emph{That} is very important in \emph{this} and bla, bla, bla...
\subsubsection{This depends on These}
  Also, \emph{These} is another. bla bla bla...
\subsubsection{This is not another.}
  And don't forget another has anything.
\paragraph{SubIdea}
  blablabla

When the desired objetive is put everything in a paragraph:

\section{Importance of This}
  To talk about \emph{this} is important look to several factors:
  \emph{That} is very important in \emph{this} and bla, bla, bla...
  Also, \emph{These} is another. bla bla bla...
  And don't forget another has anything.
  blablabla

etc.


Before and after of send email to org-mode mail list, I read source  
code and I thought star character was hard coded in it. (IMHO star  
char must be a configuration var). But I wanted to hear the opinion  
of experts from the maillist before doing anything.


So, I created two elisp functions to make a translation.:

(defun org2latex ()
 Convert star to comments in LaTeX
 (interactive)
 (save-excursion
   (goto-char (point-min))
   (while (search-forward-regexp ^\*+ nil t)
;  (while (search-backward * (beginning-of-line) t)
;   (replace-match % nil t))
 (let ((finalsearch (point)))
   (move-beginning-of-line nil)
   (while (search-forward * finalsearch t)
 (replace-match % nil t))
   )
 )
   )
 (latex-mode)
)

(defun latex2org ()
 Convert comments in LaTeX to stars in org-mode
 (interactive)
 (save-excursion
   (goto-char (point-min))
   (while (search-forward-regexp ^%+ nil t)
;  (while (search-backward % (beginning-of-line) t)
;   (replace-match * nil t))
 (let ((finalsearch (point)))
   (move-beginning-of-line nil)
   (while (search-forward % finalsearch t)
 (replace-match * nil t))
   )
 )
   )
;doesn't work. I want open/see the currently (sub)tree
 (let ((position (point)))
   (org-mode)
   (goto-char position)
   )
)

I'm a newbie with elisp. This works but:

1.- I don't spend to much time with search-backward, and didn't work  
for me. So, I had to make a detour with search-forward.


2.- From Latex2org when I start org-mode, All trees are closed. I'd  
like keep open the tree in the cursor.


That all. I hope these functions can help someone or inspire to  
solve a similar problem. To make programs?


Again, I'm not in maillist. Please send me a copy to my email.

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Re: [Orgmode] Changing star character

2011-02-26 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:02:23 -1000
Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote:

 Aloha Javier,
 
 On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Javier M Mora wrote:
 
  On 26/02/11 16:36, Bastien wrote:
  Hi Javier,
 
  Javier M Morajamar...@gmail.com  writes:
 
  If I can change star symbol from * char to % char (comment  
  mark in
  LaTeX). It become possible.
 
SNIP

Hi Javier,
Do you really need org mode for what you want to do? Simple outline
mode is a good idea processor and you can change the '*' to '%'.
Outline mode can run as a minor mode under auctex.

Cheers,
Alan


 
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