Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Hi Andrew, On 2009-07-09, Andrew M. Nuxoll nux...@up.edu wrote: 3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority would increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable formula. Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist? I do not use priority-as-calculated. That is, I don't sort by closeness to deadline, etc. That way, everything is in a consistent order, which I find pleasing. I sort by my fixed urgency and priority-as-set-by-user. This almost certainly violates GTD, but priorities and urgencies work for me. Org flexibly supports any method you want. I do, however, rely on the agenda's built-in faces, and the second colum that says Deadline etc., for status. These are very useful. I have a thorough testcase for this and found several potential bugs that I will report on in a separate post. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:16 AM, Nick Dokos wrote: Andrew M. Nuxoll nux...@up.edu wrote: 3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority would increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable formula. Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist? I don't think anything like that exists, but with a Small[1] Amount of Programming (TM), it could probably be cobbled up - maybe as a cron job? In fact, the priority does increase. Org-mode has two notions of priority. 1. The specified priority like [#A] 2. A computed numerical priority The specified priority is set solely by the user, and it is also the only thing that influences how prioritized lines are displayed according to `org-agenda-fontify-priorities'. The computed priority is a number that all items in the agenda have, you can look at the actual number pressing `P' in the agenda. The number is composed of the specified priority times 1000, so #C items have 0, #B items have 1000 and #A items have 2000. TO this values, certain amounts are added depending on how close you are to the deadline, or how long ago an item was first scheduled. This computed, numerical priority is used when sorting items. The numbers added for closeness to a deadline are usually not large enough to make an overdue item with specified priority #B to score higher than one with #A, but within each group of specified priorities, closeness to a deadline does make a difference. If you want items to change from #B to #A automatically, you need to do some programming, as Nick says. The formula is not configurable currently, nor is it documented anywhere, nor do I remember exactly what the formula is :-D . I am not a big fan of priorities, because I don't think one should trust the system so much that it will actually decide for you what to work on. However, I could dig up the formula, even make it configurable if there was a need for it. HTH - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Andrew M. Nuxoll wrote: Nick Dokos wrote: Just an FYI (a nice one since Carsten said so :-): Carsten is the first name, Dominik (no c) is the surname of the creator of Org-mode. And I promise we'll be nice even after he comes back :-) Err, whoops! So let me turn the question around: why do you need to both SCHEDULE and DEADLINE the same item? In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining. So, I may be missing something. In my case, I am scheduling myself to work on an item that has a deadline. I don't think that's an unusual scenario. For example, I have a grant proposal I need to have a draft of by Monday (DEADLINE) but I've scheduled Thursday afternoon to work on it. By putting SCHEDULED on it means that it gets attention on that day unless Murphy steps in. If Murphy does, then I still have the benefit of the DEADLINE to keep me apprised of my dire situation. An alternative (which I don't like) is to not use DEADLINE on a SCHEDULED item. Instead, I can just attach a second date to the item and label it deadline or drop dead date. So, the best option I have now is to ignore the double entry. I was hoping there was a magic variable(TM) for this like there was with the other issue. You could specify a per deadline warning period. The example for the manual: DEADLINE: 2004-02-29 Sun -5d, which will start prompting you 5 days before the deadline. I use this to remind me that I need to start working on something which has a fixed deadline. Ian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
At Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:08:31 -0700, Andrew M. Nuxoll wrote: In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining. I agree with you on this point but, in this case, it makes sense for both aspects to be highlighted in the agenda view. I would suggest that you might wish to change (reduce) the warning period for the deadline when you schedule an item or alternatively not schedule an item but simply assign an appointment date/time (i.e. an active time stamp) to it for when you want to work on the task. The latter is what I do in many cases. eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: At Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:08:31 -0700, Andrew M. Nuxoll wrote: In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining. I agree with you on this point but, in this case, it makes sense for both aspects to be highlighted in the agenda view. I would suggest that you might wish to change (reduce) the warning period for the deadline when you schedule an item or alternatively not schedule an item but simply assign an appointment date/time (i.e. an active time stamp) to it for when you want to work on the task. The latter is what I do in many cases. Quite likely it's a failure of imagination on my part, but I still don't see why you would both schedule and deadline an item. Could you provide a scenario where that would be useful? Thanks, Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Quite likely it's a failure of imagination on my part, but I still don't see why you would both schedule and deadline an item. Could you provide a scenario where that would be useful? I think the OP has a time frame to execute some task. He doesn't want to be bugged about it before SCHEDULED, and it will be too late after DEADLINE. Imagine you have to make a gift to someone on Sunday, but got so much work to do that you won't be able to go to the mall before Thursday... oh well, you can always buy online then, but that would defeat the point of my example. Then again, as someone said, a DEADLINE with an appropriate warning delay would be fine in that case too. -- Nicolas Goaziou ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
At Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:32:59 -0400, Nick Dokos wrote: Quite likely it's a failure of imagination on my part, but I still don't see why you would both schedule and deadline an item. Could you provide a scenario where that would be useful? Well, to use an example that I think the OP (Andrew) would identify with, when a funding agency puts out a call for proposals, they will give a strict deadline (e.g. 12 noon, 5 August 2009). That date is critical to the activity of writing the proposal if one intends to apply for funding so the date gets put in my org file immediately. Subsequently, when I figure out when I will have time to work on writing the proposal, I will schedule the appropriate event. I must admit, however, that I do frequently simply put an active time stamp on the note for when I want to work on this task. I guess it depends on the granularity of the scheduling of the task: if I intend to work on it at some specific hour of the day, I'll use a time stamp; if I intend to tackle the task sometime on Thursday, I'll schedule it. The latter may be the wrong way to do it but the reality is that my planned schedule often goes completely out the window due to external factors and any time stamped activities disappear off the agenda view the following day whereas scheduled items do not. This makes scheduling appealing as it allows me to say, the next day, ooops, I forgot to actually work on that proposal yesterday YMMV, of course! cheers, eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
At Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:48:20 +0200, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: [...] Then again, as someone said, a DEADLINE with an appropriate warning delay would be fine in that case too. I have tasks that have deadlines months in the future and which need tackling from now until the deadline, although obviously not continuously. Putting a warning on the deadline to cover the full time range would fill my agenda view with deadlines, making it rather ineffective! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Ok, newb here. I have only been using org-mode for a few days now. But I've been an emacs guy since 1992, I have read the manual and I've also searched the archive of this mailing list. So, forgive me if these questions are repeats. Also, Dominick said you had to be nice to me while he was away. 1. When I view my agenda for a day it displays TODO items twice if they are both SCHEDULED and DEADLINEd (a common occurrence for me). Can this be avoided? Here's a generic example snippet from my agenda: Thursday9 July 2009 nux:Scheduled: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT:: nux:In 1 d.: TODO [#B] Call Mary :PROJECT:: 2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my agenda. Can this be avoided? Meta-Comments on Questions 12: I realize I have the option of using the ToDo Items agenda view instead of the day/week agenda view but that doesn't work for me because I use the SCHEDULED property as a way of selecting a small subset of tasks for the day from a long list of TODO items. I also rely heavily upon repeating tasks to automate most of this. So maybe the solution to #1 and #2 is to use a custom agenda of some sort but I don't see an obvious way to create one that does what I want. 3. Once I set a deadline for a task, it'd be nice if the priority would increase as the deadline approached. Ideally the criteria for increasing the priority could be specified via a customizable formula. Does this functionality (or anything like it) exist? Thanks, :AMN: ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Andrew M. Nuxoll said unto the world at 09/07/09 04:37 PM: 2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my agenda. Can this be avoided? I have the following lines in my .emacs: (setq org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-done t) (setq org-agenda-skip-deadline-if-done t) Best, Brian vdB ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions
Nick Dokos wrote: Just an FYI (a nice one since Carsten said so :-): Carsten is the first name, Dominik (no c) is the surname of the creator of Org-mode. And I promise we'll be nice even after he comes back :-) Err, whoops! So let me turn the question around: why do you need to both SCHEDULE and DEADLINE the same item? In my mind, there is no conflict between scheduling and deadlining. So, I may be missing something. In my case, I am scheduling myself to work on an item that has a deadline. I don't think that's an unusual scenario. For example, I have a grant proposal I need to have a draft of by Monday (DEADLINE) but I've scheduled Thursday afternoon to work on it. By putting SCHEDULED on it means that it gets attention on that day unless Murphy steps in. If Murphy does, then I still have the benefit of the DEADLINE to keep me apprised of my dire situation. An alternative (which I don't like) is to not use DEADLINE on a SCHEDULED item. Instead, I can just attach a second date to the item and label it deadline or drop dead date. So, the best option I have now is to ignore the double entry. I was hoping there was a magic variable(TM) for this like there was with the other issue. 2. Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my agenda. Can this be avoided? I believe this was answered already. Yes it was. Thanks, Brian. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] newbie questions
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Stathis Sideris wrote: [...] (2) Is there any way to make org-cycle skip the show all mode? That would make it to just collapse/expand the children of the current heading. If I understood you right then TAB should do that for you (instead of Shift-TAB.) [...] Stathis Thanks for making ditaa. It's wonderful. :) -- Manish ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
