Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well who knows... I never became much of a pianist but I'll become a virtuoso Org-Gtder and write a book so that other disorganized linux geeks can follow a gentler learning curve towards org-anized heaven. Let's all write a book! Psych-org-analysis: fiddling with time -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Rustom Mody ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks Pete for a long and detailed post. Its going into my enlarging list of printouts which are there in the hope that one day I will become a virtuoso org-gtd-er. Reminds me [this is OT-squared] that as a young boy, I wanted to become a pianist. I would spend my time trying to play but even more time listening wide-eyed to the great masters and wondering if they had a couple of extra pairs of hands. Well who knows... I never became much of a pianist but I'll become a virtuoso Org-Gtder and write a book so that other disorganized linux geeks can follow a gentler learning curve towards org-anized heaven. As a Linux geek and part-time musician (and even more occasional pianist), I can safely say that in both cases mastery requires a life-long quest, but the fun is in the journey ;-) Season's greetings to you all, Adam ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Hi Ivan, Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. Certainly! I just got started with Mew so I am still configuring. Do you know there is a book called Getting Things Done ? I suggest you buy it ;) I have not finished it, but I don't think reading stuff on the 'net is a substitute to reading the original book. My two cents. I think my mom has a copy, I will try to borrow hers... ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Adam == Adam Spiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rustom Reminds me [this is OT-squared] that as a young boy, I wanted to Rustom become a pianist. I would spend my time trying to play but even Rustom more time listening wide-eyed to the great masters and wondering Rustom if they had a couple of extra pairs of hands. Rustom Well who knows... I never became much of a pianist but I'll Rustom become a virtuoso Org-Gtder and write a book so that other Rustom disorganized linux geeks can follow a gentler learning curve Rustom towards org-anized heaven. Adam As a Linux geek and part-time musician (and even more Adam occasional pianist), I can safely say that in both cases Adam mastery requires a life-long quest, but the fun is in the Adam journey ;-) :-) Weird stuff this, but perhaps linux/emacs/gtd does attract a certain sort of person (geek musicians ?) ? I'm also a musician (mainly jazz pianist these days). You can listen to some of our stuff here: http://www.detox-jazz.co.uk/ in the LHS Tracks to download bar, or on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/detoxjazz (Noisy venue I'm afraid.) Anyway, can I wish you all a great Christmas as well, and say a big thank you to Carsten for the enormous effort and dedication he puts into org-mode. Also, to others like Bastien for picking up some of the org-mode development and running with it. Fantastic stuff. Enjoy your holidays. I'm off to play some carols in the local pub. Pete ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:11:27 +0530 Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how to sync it with my stuff under org. Same here...I plan to copy from my hipster pda to org file and print from org file to my hipster A7 cards. I got few replies (see GTD LaTeX export thread), but didn't have time to try/reply yet 'cause I had to finish some video project with cinelerra. Sincerely, Gour signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ;; This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by ;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option) ;; any later version. Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I decided to finally sit down and read up on GTD and implement simple setup for Org. Do you know there is a book called Getting Things Done ? I suggest you buy it ;) I have not finished it, but I don't think reading stuff on the 'net is a substitute to reading the original book. My two cents. Kind regards, -- Ivan http://kanis.fr At Group L, Stoffel oversees six first-rate programmers, a managerial challenge roughly comparable to herding cats. -- Anonymous , 1985-06-09 , The Washington Post ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Hi Ivan On Dec 23, 2007 5:20 AM, Ivan Kanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ;; This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by ;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option) ;; any later version. Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I think the problem must be with your mail/news reader. The lisp in David's message is not wrapped. At least, it looks fine when I do Show original in gmail. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 23, 2007 5:20 AM, Ivan Kanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ;; This file is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by ;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option) ;; any later version. Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I think the problem must be with your mail/news reader. The lisp in David's message is not wrapped. At least, it looks fine when I do Show original in gmail. Argh the embarassment... I have fixed my news reader. Apologies for the noise. -- Ivan http://kanis.fr Only the wise possess ideas; the greater part of mankind are possessed by them. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
On Dec 23, 2007 4:50 PM, Ivan Kanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David O'Toole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi David, thanks for sharing your setup. Could you, please, fix mew so that it does not wrap your lisp? I find it unreadable. I decided to finally sit down and read up on GTD and implement simple setup for Org. Do you know there is a book called Getting Things Done ? I suggest you buy it ;) I have not finished it, but I don't think reading stuff on the 'net is a substitute to reading the original book. My two cents. Kind regards, -- Ivan Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope that GTD will magically happen to me. But not quite there yet :-( In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how to sync it with my stuff under org. [In case its not quite obvious, this is quite OT] ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Rustom == Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rustom Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the Rustom opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Rustom Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope Rustom that GTD will magically happen to me. Hmmm. I can *almost* guarantee it won't happen magically. :-) Let's make one thing clear - GTD is not difficult to understand. GTD is really a combination of techniques and habits to make sure you write everything down, review it regularly, and make sure you have the appropriate lists with you when you can actually do something on them, and then DO THEM. Let me repeat that last bit - you must, at some stage, DO THE ACTIONS! If you don't, GTD and org-mode and everything else just becomes an exercise in moving things from one list to another, and frankly there are better and more entertaining ways to waste your time. GTD it is a technique for doing your thinking in advance (at the weekly review), so that when you actually get into work you can just concentrate on 'cranking out the widgets'. David Allen uses the analogy that a widget cranker doesn't go into work and procrastinate or worry about what to do - he just has widgets to crank. Therefore the idea of GTD is that once a week you do your thinking and planning, and the rest of the week, you look at your list and crank widgets. (a bit of an over-simplification of course as you have emails, letters etc coming in constantly which may change your priorities). In my experience, implementing GTD is an initially rapid change in the way you work (implementing your main lists, sorting out a capture system, buying a labeller, setting up your 48 folders, trying to remember to do a weekly review) followed by much slower incremental improvements to the system as you 'get' GTD. And I certainly think that you won't do it without reading the book. Everything you need to understand the principles are in the book. Yes, some of the mailing lists are interesting (the GTD one on yahoo is pretty good), but frankly the book is all you need. Very difficult to implement GTD by looking at websites IMHO. (One reason people try out GTD is because they want to get more work done, because they feel they are drowning in a sea of information, emails, projects etc, and want to get it all under control. It is therefore an exquisite irony that some of these people then spend half their time surfing the net to try to find out how to do GTD better!) Now, implementing GTD in your tool of choice (mine is org-mode) is a different matter - there is more than one way to skin a cat, and org-mode gives you a huge choice in how you de-fur your particular feline. So, don't confuse *understanding* what GTD is all about with the specifics of *implementing* it in org-mode, Outlook, HPDA or whatever. The mailing lists are great for the implementation phase, but until you grasp GTD it probably won't happen for you. The book is very readable. You can read it over a few days. In my opinion, it also bears re-reading. I also bought the set of CD's (which is a recording of David Allen giving his GTD seminar over 2 days) and I listen to those once a year or so just to refresh things in my mind whilst travelling on the train. I pick up new insights and tricks every time I read the book or listen to the CDs. I haven't found the second book to be very helpful. Interesting, yes. Rustom But not quite there yet :-( Use the book, Luke. Rustom In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even Rustom made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how Rustom to sync it with my stuff under org. I use a HPDA - I tend to sit down every Sunday and add stuff from the HPDA to my org-mode file, then chuck the cards away. I also have 14 'diary' cards - 1 card per day for the next 2 weeks, with my appointments on them, and anything I *have* to do that day (eg: deadline for sending off a report) on them. I use this Sunday morning time over a cup of coffee to add such deadlines to the cards, and then review the next 2-4 weeks to see what projects I need to make progress on. I then use org-mode to 'schedule' some of these NEXT actions which are, at the time, important. I used to print out HPDA cards with my different contexts on them (Shopping, Phone, Home, etc) but I found i rarely read them - I am more likely to scan my lists under org-mode as I have a laptop available all the time at home and in work, with emacs open. My advice would be to keep trying new ways to manage your lists. If you find syncing between HPDA and org-mode is too much hassle, you just won't bother, and you will eventually get cheesed off with it as it becomes unmaintainable. If it's not working for you, try another method. For me, HPDA is great as a capture tool and diary tool. plenty of people on GTD-Analog on yahoo use HPDA as their only tool. Horses for courses. Overall, I
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 10:38:50PM +, Pete Phillips wrote: Rustom == Rustom Mody [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rustom Well... This saw cuts both ways. My own position is the Rustom opposite of David's. Ive read the book (and the next one: Rustom Ready for Anything) and I keep reading this list in the hope Rustom that GTD will magically happen to me. Hmmm. I can *almost* guarantee it won't happen magically. :-) Let's make one thing clear - GTD is not difficult to understand. GTD is really a combination of techniques and habits to make sure you write everything down, review it regularly, and make sure you have the appropriate lists with you when you can actually do something on them, and then DO THEM. [snipped] Really fantastic advice Pete, thanks for sharing. In my experience, implementing GTD is an initially rapid change in the way you work (implementing your main lists, sorting out a capture system, buying a labeller, setting up your 48 folders, trying to remember to do a weekly review) followed by much slower incremental improvements to the system as you 'get' GTD. That's exactly what I found too. I've got the habit of processing and organising; my next step is internalising the habit of regular reviews, and this was my main motivation for getting a Nokia N810 with emacs running on it - because I frequently find myself away from the computer with a few minutes of dead time here or there (travelling etc.) which I could use for reviewing. Once I get this step, I am pretty sure I'll experience a quantum leap forwards in productivity, since currently I've done all the hard work required to have my tasks mapped pretty well with all the right metadata, but I'm not reaping the rewards by regularly reviewing and scheduling based on different views of the data. And I certainly think that you won't do it without reading the book. Everything you need to understand the principles are in the book. Yes, some of the mailing lists are interesting (the GTD one on yahoo is pretty good), but frankly the book is all you need. Very difficult to implement GTD by looking at websites IMHO. The book was enough for me, although there are some fantastic sites which complement it well, e.g. http://zenhabits.net (One reason people try out GTD is because they want to get more work done, because they feel they are drowning in a sea of information, emails, projects etc, and want to get it all under control. It is therefore an exquisite irony that some of these people then spend half their time surfing the net to try to find out how to do GTD better!) So true. I justify org.el hacking on the grounds that it's a life-long investment (emacs will be here forever, right? :-) and it's also fun. Plus being involved in a community which has discussions like this one is really worthwhile in terms of raising my self-awareness and understanding of how I run my life. Now, implementing GTD in your tool of choice (mine is org-mode) is a different matter - there is more than one way to skin a cat, and org-mode gives you a huge choice in how you de-fur your particular feline. So, don't confuse *understanding* what GTD is all about with the specifics of *implementing* it in org-mode, Outlook, HPDA or whatever. The mailing lists are great for the implementation phase, but until you grasp GTD it probably won't happen for you. Absolutely. That's one of the great things about GTD, that it's so relaxed about the specifics, encouraging everyone to find the solution which is best for them. The flip side of this of course is that there is no silver bullet, but as I think Kafka said, paths are made by walking. The book is very readable. You can read it over a few days. In my opinion, it also bears re-reading. I also bought the set of CD's (which is a recording of David Allen giving his GTD seminar over 2 days) and I listen to those once a year or so just to refresh things in my mind whilst travelling on the train. I pick up new insights and tricks every time I read the book or listen to the CDs. Sounds good, I might buy the CDs. Rustom In addition to setting up my emacs for org usage Ive even Rustom made made myself a hipster pda. Whats not quite clear is how Rustom to sync it with my stuff under org. I use a HPDA - I tend to sit down every Sunday and add stuff from the HPDA to my org-mode file, then chuck the cards away. I also have 14 'diary' cards - 1 card per day for the next 2 weeks, with my appointments on them, and anything I *have* to do that day (eg: deadline for sending off a report) on them. I use this Sunday morning time over a cup of coffee to add such deadlines to the cards, and then review the next 2-4 weeks to see what projects I need to make progress on. I then use org-mode to 'schedule' some of these NEXT actions which are, at the time, important. I used to print out HPDA cards with my different contexts on them
Re: [Orgmode] Re: my GTD setup
Thanks Pete for a long and detailed post. Its going into my enlarging list of printouts which are there in the hope that one day I will become a virtuoso org-gtd-er. Reminds me [this is OT-squared] that as a young boy, I wanted to become a pianist. I would spend my time trying to play but even more time listening wide-eyed to the great masters and wondering if they had a couple of extra pairs of hands. Well who knows... I never became much of a pianist but I'll become a virtuoso Org-Gtder and write a book so that other disorganized linux geeks can follow a gentler learning curve towards org-anized heaven. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
