Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sending org-mode nodes
lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl (Łukasz Stelmach) writes: I cannot set the Message-ID in mailers like Gnus, Evolution, Outlook, Thunderbird. *You* can't do it which doesn't mean your MUA doesn't do it behind the scenes. You can do it with mutt. When you edit with headers and put Message-ID you get it sent. Well, look at all those message-IDs on this list or in other folders of your mailbox. They all have message-IDs, assigned from mail servers (but see below). If I'm wrong, I'd be interested in a way to that - so I could try it myself. I'm giving Gnus a try now the message id of this post should be 3291978dbeaae3c6ed3b832cce64e3b...@dasa3 I've just put the header above the --text follows this line-- Yeaaah, it has: Message-ID: 3291978dbeaae3c6ed3b832cce64e3b...@dasa3 OK, convinced :-D Thanks! I won't deter you anymore from programming the sending of Org-nodes any longer (and next time I have a question concerning postfix or sendmail... ;) Best wishes Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sending org-mode nodes
lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: David Maus maus.da...@gmail.com writes: //// - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for associating replies with original notes/nodes. In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. These are of course my whishful thoughts, especially the one with Old-Sent-To. I think, however, that org-mode with them implemented would be even greater tool than it is today. I believe it's not implemented, because it's easy to just C-c @ C-x m Enter addresses (bbdb helps a lot here) DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN C-y evtl. edit the contents C-c C-C There's simply no need to implement it for Gnus users. Emacs+Org+bbdb+Gnus implement it already. Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sending org-mode nodes
lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: David Maus maus.da...@gmail.com writes: //// - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for associating replies with original notes/nodes. In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. I've written *derived* which means org-ID-current-time-user-mail-address also fits. Right? Not sure. I only remember bad things with self generated message-IDs. But I never tried it myself. Reading the RFCs will help. [...] I believe it's not implemented, because it's easy to just C-c @ C-x m Enter addresses (bbdb helps a lot here) DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN C-y evtl. edit the contents C-c C-C Which only proves that it is possible to do it automatically. Yes, sorry, I don't want to stop anyone from doing it :) There's simply no need to implement it for Gnus users. Emacs+Org+bbdb+Gnus implement it already. How about attachments? How, at least, to get their full paths into kill ring? Wether we like it or *not* some things can't be done in pure text/plain. Putting a headline as a subject (with or without tags) makes it even better as well as stripping any drawers (leading stars?). From the very beginning I assumed there is a way of doing what I need just right now but I described some enhancements that make work even less troublesome. Imagine: C-c C-x m (org-send-node e.g.) C-c C-c would be possible for a well prepared node (bbdb link stored as a property). What makes nodesending even more appealing to me is that I can have my emails (at least some of them) well organized with org (and git) and attached to other things I do. Well, if you often resend a node, it makes absolutely sense, I guess. I always write my mails from scratch. But, on the other hand, I could imagine an Org-file with email templates like that. E.g. for mailing to certain groups of people. Best wishes Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sending org-mode nodes
lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: Wether we like it or *not* some things can't be done in pure text/plain. Along these lines, I would be interested to have the ability to send html mail exported from an org-mode node. I often want to share tables with unfortunate souls who use non-fixed-width font email clients which are better at displaying html then text. -- Eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sending org-mode nodes
lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl (Łukasz Stelmach) writes: lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de writes: lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl writes: David Maus maus.da...@gmail.com writes: //// - Message-ID derived from node's ID. This would be quite useful for associating replies with original notes/nodes. In that case, each mail sent from the subtree would have the same message-ID, which is invalid, since the ID is made to identify a certain email. It's supposed to be world wide unique for at least two years. Your provider would replace your (probably invalid) ID anyway. I've written *derived* which means org-ID-current-time-user-mail-address also fits. Right? Not sure. I only remember bad things with self generated message-IDs. But I never tried it myself. Reading the RFCs will help. RFC 2822 The Message-ID: field provides a unique message identifier that refers to a particular version of a particular message. The uniqueness of the message identifier is guaranteed by the host that generates it (see below). (...) a good method is to put the domain name (or a domain literal IP address) of the host on which the message identifier was created on the right hand side of the @, and put a combination of the current absolute date and time along with some other currently unique (perhaps sequential) identifier available on the system (for example, a process id number) on the left hand side. Still, not sure. From what I read about message IDs, they are to be produced by mail servers - not email clients. If my provider (gmx) receives my outgoing mail, it deletes the Message-ID and generates a new one. They do not want Humpdy Dumpdy to send mails with their own Message-ID, because there's a risk: it might not be world-wide unique. I would do that, too. I cannot set the Message-ID in mailers like Gnus, Evolution, Outlook, Thunderbird. If I'm wrong, I'd be interested in a way to that - so I could try it myself. Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
