Re: [Emc-users] Manual Mill Setup Question

2015-01-23 Thread andy pugh
On 21 January 2015 at 07:39, Mark Johnsen m...@ijohnsen.com wrote:
 Chris - You proposed simply leaving LinuxCNC in 'machine off' mode going to
 the GS2 VFD and operating it manually.  That's probably how I'll do it when
 I get started,

I think this is by far the best way, I had a Well Doh! moment when
Chris suggested it. My suggestions were over-complicated and worse.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread Todd Zuercher
I know nothing of that machine, but I think industrial CNCs are often sold at 
scrap prices if they are 20+ years old and have controller issues, regardless 
of mechanical condition.

- Original Message -
From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 9:34:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

On Friday 23 January 2015 09:22:22 John Kasunich did opine
And Gene did reply:
 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
  On Thursday 22 January 2015 16:56:03 Kirk Wallace did opine
  
  And Gene did reply:
   In case someone on the East coast (USA) might be interested:
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/121549533052
  
  I am not familiar enough with that.  Whats the bed length, spindle
  bore etc on one of those?  And I'd guess its too heavy for my GMC
  half tonner too.  Good price, but I think I'd be dreaming to buy
  something like that. I'd have to build a building for it. It would
  still need ball screws etc I assume.
 
 You are right that it is fairly big and heavy.  From another site:
 
 Swing over bed: 14
 Swing over carriage: 8
 Between centers: 12
 Collet size: 16C
 Spindle bore: 1-5/8
 HP: 7
 Dims: 100 x 66 x 84
 Weight: 5500 lbs
 
 It would NOT need ballscrews.  It was built from the ground up to be
 a CNC machine, and already has ballscrews, motors, encoders (or
 maybe resolvers), etc.
 
 The only way it would need ballscrews was if it was used hard and
 is clapped out.  And in that case, run away, don't plan on repairing
 it.  Screws for that class of machine are NOT cheap.  And if the
 screws are worn out then the ways and spindle bearings are also
 probably worn.
 
 John
 

Thanks John. I need more bed, a couple feet more, but it strikes me that 
any Hardinge they are willing to sell at that price, has to be clapped 
out.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread Rick

On 1/23/2015 11:58 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
 I know nothing of that machine, but I think industrial CNCs are often sold at 
 scrap prices if they are 20+ years old and have controller issues, regardless 
 of mechanical condition.



That is very true, 2 years ago we bought a Cincinnati Milacron 15C, 
which is a 15 swing over bed, 40 between centers, 7 upper tools, 7 
lower tools, 40hp spindle, 36,500lb machine, and we paid less than 5k 
for, it is a 1980, and got the Linuxcnc treatment as soon as it hit our 
floor.

But we had over 5k in rigging and transportation costs going from 
downtown Detroit to 10 mins north of Toledo, OH




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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread Pete Matos
Rick,
  man that is awesome... So nice to hear you are able to reinvent that
monster machine and make it workable again.. You give me hope for my meager
machines.  Way to go that is a BEAST lathe LOL... Peace


Pete


On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Rick r...@superiorroll.com wrote:


 On 1/23/2015 11:58 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
  I know nothing of that machine, but I think industrial CNCs are often
 sold at scrap prices if they are 20+ years old and have controller issues,
 regardless of mechanical condition.
 
 

 That is very true, 2 years ago we bought a Cincinnati Milacron 15C,
 which is a 15 swing over bed, 40 between centers, 7 upper tools, 7
 lower tools, 40hp spindle, 36,500lb machine, and we paid less than 5k
 for, it is a 1980, and got the Linuxcnc treatment as soon as it hit our
 floor.

 But we had over 5k in rigging and transportation costs going from
 downtown Detroit to 10 mins north of Toledo, OH




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 FAX: 734-279-1166
 www.superiorroll.com



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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread John Murphy
I've found that a lot of the old CNC's are actually in good shape
mechanically, but lack the features to make them worth the floor
space, or have blown controls not worth the trouble.

I bought a boss5 for scrap price, with a working control, because the
floor space and the cost to pay someone to run it was not worth the
opportunity cost of using that employee on a more modern machine.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rick,
   man that is awesome... So nice to hear you are able to reinvent that
 monster machine and make it workable again.. You give me hope for my meager
 machines.  Way to go that is a BEAST lathe LOL... Peace


 Pete


 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Rick r...@superiorroll.com wrote:


 On 1/23/2015 11:58 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
  I know nothing of that machine, but I think industrial CNCs are often
 sold at scrap prices if they are 20+ years old and have controller issues,
 regardless of mechanical condition.
 
 

 That is very true, 2 years ago we bought a Cincinnati Milacron 15C,
 which is a 15 swing over bed, 40 between centers, 7 upper tools, 7
 lower tools, 40hp spindle, 36,500lb machine, and we paid less than 5k
 for, it is a 1980, and got the Linuxcnc treatment as soon as it hit our
 floor.

 But we had over 5k in rigging and transportation costs going from
 downtown Detroit to 10 mins north of Toledo, OH




 --

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 PH: 734-279-1831
 FAX: 734-279-1166
 www.superiorroll.com



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Re: [Emc-users] Manual Mill Setup Question

2015-01-23 Thread Todd Zuercher
Would it be possible to build a pyvcp panel that can control the spindle as you 
need it while Linuxcnc is in the off mode?

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To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 12:27:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Manual Mill Setup Question

On 21 January 2015 at 07:39, Mark Johnsen m...@ijohnsen.com wrote:
 Chris - You proposed simply leaving LinuxCNC in 'machine off' mode going to
 the GS2 VFD and operating it manually.  That's probably how I'll do it when
 I get started,

I think this is by far the best way, I had a Well Doh! moment when
Chris suggested it. My suggestions were over-complicated and worse.

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Re: [Emc-users] Manual Mill Setup Question

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 14:11:44 Todd Zuercher did opine
And Gene did reply:
 Would it be possible to build a pyvcp panel that can control the
 spindle as you need it while Linuxcnc is in the off mode?

I have cheated since almost day one on my toy mill. I bought the deluxe, 
all hand controls version of the PMDX-106, putting it AND the motor 
controller out of the mills head in one big black project box. So my 
control of the spindle speed and direction is a switch flip and a knob 
turn.  Whats not to like?  For a quick cut, flip the switch and jog, while 
LinuxCNC is alive and enabled so the jog keys work.
.
 - Original Message -
 From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015
 12:27:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Manual Mill Setup Question
 
 On 21 January 2015 at 07:39, Mark Johnsen m...@ijohnsen.com wrote:
  Chris - You proposed simply leaving LinuxCNC in 'machine off' mode
  going to the GS2 VFD and operating it manually.  That's probably how
  I'll do it when I get started,
 
 I think this is by far the best way, I had a Well Doh! moment when
 Chris suggested it. My suggestions were over-complicated and worse.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] OT: PCB Cleaner

2015-01-23 Thread Gary Fiber
Years ago I was a tech at a marine electronics store. Sitex made a recording 
fish finder that recorded on paper using a heat stylus. On opening the fish 
finder the entire inside was coved in a nice carbon dust from burning the image 
onto the recording paper.

I used mr. clean to soften the water a bit back then and a nice soft paint 
brush with about as hot of tap water I could stand to wash up the circuit 
board. Then I used 99% alcohol to displace the water under the chips on the 
circuit board, finished it up warming it up with a blow dryer at first to get 
most of the moisture off the circuit board and the placed it into a warm place 
to dry overnight. Never had any issues doing it that way. My hands though 
looked like I was playing with some carbon power during that process.

Gary P. Fiber K8IZ



 On Jan 23, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Rick r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
 
 Any thoughts on what the best thing is to clean the printed circuit 
 board on a Fanuc servo drive. The VTL I am installing right now has the 
 two drives in the control cabinet, and the one is covered with a nasty 
 brown oily residue, and I would like to get it cleaned off before I put 
 power to it.
 
 I have a few things on hand, first one is 
 https://www.chemtronics.com/p-813-pow-r-wash-pr.aspx and the other is this
 https://www.chemtronics.com/p-739-electro-wash-cz.aspx.
 
 Would either one those be a good candidate, or should I look for 
 something else.
 
 
 -- 
 
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 Superior Roll  Turning LLC
 399 East Center Street
 Petersburg MI, 49270
 PH: 734-279-1831
 FAX: 734-279-1166
 www.superiorroll.com
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread Todd Zuercher
Too true!  Not being able to do what you need it to, is a control issue, 
whether or not it works as originally intended.

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From: John Murphy j...@wyosip.com
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:56:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

I've found that a lot of the old CNC's are actually in good shape
mechanically, but lack the features to make them worth the floor
space, or have blown controls not worth the trouble.

I bought a boss5 for scrap price, with a working control, because the
floor space and the cost to pay someone to run it was not worth the
opportunity cost of using that employee on a more modern machine.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rick,
   man that is awesome... So nice to hear you are able to reinvent that
 monster machine and make it workable again.. You give me hope for my meager
 machines.  Way to go that is a BEAST lathe LOL... Peace


 Pete


 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Rick r...@superiorroll.com wrote:


 On 1/23/2015 11:58 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
  I know nothing of that machine, but I think industrial CNCs are often
 sold at scrap prices if they are 20+ years old and have controller issues,
 regardless of mechanical condition.
 
 

 That is very true, 2 years ago we bought a Cincinnati Milacron 15C,
 which is a 15 swing over bed, 40 between centers, 7 upper tools, 7
 lower tools, 40hp spindle, 36,500lb machine, and we paid less than 5k
 for, it is a 1980, and got the Linuxcnc treatment as soon as it hit our
 floor.

 But we had over 5k in rigging and transportation costs going from
 downtown Detroit to 10 mins north of Toledo, OH




 --

 Thanks


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 Petersburg MI, 49270
 PH: 734-279-1831
 FAX: 734-279-1166
 www.superiorroll.com



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[Emc-users] OT: PCB Cleaner

2015-01-23 Thread Rick
Any thoughts on what the best thing is to clean the printed circuit 
board on a Fanuc servo drive. The VTL I am installing right now has the 
two drives in the control cabinet, and the one is covered with a nasty 
brown oily residue, and I would like to get it cleaned off before I put 
power to it.

I have a few things on hand, first one is 
https://www.chemtronics.com/p-813-pow-r-wash-pr.aspx and the other is this
https://www.chemtronics.com/p-739-electro-wash-cz.aspx.

Would either one those be a good candidate, or should I look for 
something else.


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Superior Roll  Turning LLC
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Petersburg MI, 49270
PH: 734-279-1831
FAX: 734-279-1166
www.superiorroll.com


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Re: [Emc-users] Wheezy and Nvidia

2015-01-23 Thread John Thornton
Just for SG I downloaded the Wheezy Gnome 3 live cd and booted from 
that. I got this Gnome error:

Gnome 3 Failed to Load
Unfortunately GNOME 3 failed to start
properly and started in the fallback mode.

This most likely means your system
(graphics hardware or driver is not capable
of delivering the full GNOME 3 experience.

Any reason to try anything else with this computer?

JT

On 1/21/2015 6:44 AM, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 On 1/20/2015 8:47 AM, schoone...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Hi John

 No, you are right there is something screwy about the Wheezy distro and
 nvidia

 I ran the build manually on the 3.4.9-rtai-pae install, after the
 package install using DKMS failed (log attached)

 The crucial bit is at the end
 'FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol
 'ipipe_percpu''

 If you google it, it can be caused by quite a few things from licence
 collisions to extra debug symbols interfering
 but basically it is a headers / kernel issue, they are not compatible
 with the nvidia module code
 There was a similar issue recently with Xenomai and the new ipipe-core code:

 http://www.xenomai.org/pipermail/xenomai/2014-December/032673.html

 ...the Xenomai developers were able to fairly quickly resolve the issue,
 perhaps the RTAI crew can as well?



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Re: [Emc-users] OT: PCB Cleaner

2015-01-23 Thread Jon Elson
On 01/23/2015 01:17 PM, Rick wrote:
 Any thoughts on what the best thing is to clean the printed circuit
 board on a Fanuc servo drive. The VTL I am installing right now has the
 two drives in the control cabinet, and the one is covered with a nasty
 brown oily residue, and I would like to get it cleaned off before I put
 power to it.

 I have a few things on hand, first one is
 https://www.chemtronics.com/p-813-pow-r-wash-pr.aspx and the other is this
 https://www.chemtronics.com/p-739-electro-wash-cz.aspx.

 Would either one those be a good candidate, or should I look for
 something else.


Probably either of these, or just denatured alcohol from the 
hardware store would
so well.  Apply a thin layer to the board and scrub gently 
with a soft toothbrush for
a minute, then wash with strong water blast at a sink.  
Shake dry, or better
blow off the water with an air hose.  if this doesn't get it 
clean, repeat the process
and let the alcohol soak for a few minutes.  Then, give the 
boards a day to dry
before powering.  I make CNC control boards and clean some 
of them this
way.

The air blast is great to remove dirty solvent/wash water 
from the inside of connectors,
where it could cause flaky contact if allowed to dry in there.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Program for Wiring Diagrams

2015-01-23 Thread rick

Have a look at EZ Schematics from Wade Electronics. We bought a seat of this, 
and I think it's pretty good stuff for as cheap as it is. And it makes some 
pretty nice electrical prints. 

Thanks

Rick

 Original Message 
Subject: [Emc-users] Linux Program for Wiring Diagrams
From: linden l...@island.net
Date: Fri, January 23, 2015 9:34 pm
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

I need to consolidate all my scribe notes and scraps of paper for my 
linux cnc XYZ table and need to plan out the conversion of my tree 325. 
Dose any one have any suggestions for making wireing diagrams. I have 
found lots of programs for pcb design but I am looking to produce block 
diagrams and wiring diagrams with pin outs ect. any suggestions or 
experience.

thanks Linden

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Re: [Emc-users] 3x Servo-To-Go 4 axis isa cards for a bottle of wine, if anybody still needs them

2015-01-23 Thread Peter Blodow
Max,
from the servotogo site, I can't quite see how the cards are used. There 
are a keyboard and an ethernet jack plus 4 ISA slots. What fits into 
these, and how are the cards used? What else is neded to put thew things 
to work? The servotogo site gives me lots of error messages when I try 
to read their manual. And where are you located?

Peter

Am 23.01.2015 11:29, schrieb MH:
 Hello,

 if any Linuxcnc user needs a Servo-to-go 4 axis isa card
 (http://www.servotogo.com/), I got three of them, one model 1 and two
 model 2 cards. All were working reliably for years until the day when I
 decommissioned the controllers they were used in and all should still be
 working.

 I do not want any work with them, so if anybody is interested please do
 pick them up in southern Germany or send me a pickup order from your
 favourite shipping company.

 It seems a waste to throw them into the trash, since they were once so
 bloody expensive, somewhere around USD 800 each.

 I do not want money for them, although I'd be happy to drink a bottle of
 wine ;)

 BR
 Max.




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[Emc-users] Linux Program for Wiring Diagrams

2015-01-23 Thread linden
I need to consolidate all my scribe notes and scraps of paper for my 
linux cnc XYZ table and need to plan out the conversion of my tree 325. 
Dose any one have any suggestions for making wireing diagrams. I have 
found lots of programs for pcb design but I am looking to produce block 
diagrams and wiring diagrams with pin outs ect. any suggestions or 
experience.

thanks Linden

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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Program for Wiring Diagrams

2015-01-23 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 24.01.15 10:34, linden wrote:
 I need to consolidate all my scribe notes and scraps of paper for my 
 linux cnc XYZ table and need to plan out the conversion of my tree 325. 
 Dose any one have any suggestions for making wireing diagrams. I have 
 found lots of programs for pcb design but I am looking to produce block 
 diagrams and wiring diagrams with pin outs ect. any suggestions or 
 experience.

Since block diagrams are mostly collections of arbitrary rectangles
joined by lines intersecting the rectangles at convenient arbitrary
points, then a simple drawing package most readily provides that
freedom, I figure.

If, however, multiples of blocks with defined identical connection
points are desired, then a schematic editor would provide that
discipline, and maintain line connections when blocks are moved to
improve the diagram.

In the latter case, I would use Eagle's schematic editor, saying No
when it offered to start a layout as well. Each block type would be
created with the macro editor, after which they can be replicated with a
mouse click. Pin identifiers could be part of the macro, and wire
identifiers, even if only the wire colour, could be added in the
schematic editor.

Why Eagle? Because it's the one I've taken the time to learn, it runs on
linux, and it's free for non-commercial use. The schematic editor is
straightforward enough, I find. Mastering the layout editor requires
some sweat, but that's no issue if it's not needed. The support group is
accessed via news rather than a mailing list, FWIW.

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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Program for Wiring Diagrams

2015-01-23 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 1/23/2015 8:34 PM, linden wrote:
 I need to consolidate all my scribe notes and scraps of paper for my 
 linux cnc XYZ table and need to plan out the conversion of my tree 325. 
 Dose any one have any suggestions for making wireing diagrams. I have 
 found lots of programs for pcb design but I am looking to produce block 
 diagrams and wiring diagrams with pin outs ect. any suggestions or 
 experience.

Check out the program Fritzing, free (as in speech and beer), and
available for Linux, Windows, and Mac.  It's an easy way to do simple
schematics to document things like breadboard circuits and even make
simple PCBs.

http://fritzing.org/home/

You can easily use Fritzing to make wiring diagrams like this:

http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/6/6d/Rampswire14.svg

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Re: [Emc-users] Linux Program for Wiring Diagrams

2015-01-23 Thread Evan Foss
I use geda.

http://www.geda-project.org/

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Charles Steinkuehler
char...@steinkuehler.net wrote:
 On 1/23/2015 8:34 PM, linden wrote:
 I need to consolidate all my scribe notes and scraps of paper for my
 linux cnc XYZ table and need to plan out the conversion of my tree 325.
 Dose any one have any suggestions for making wireing diagrams. I have
 found lots of programs for pcb design but I am looking to produce block
 diagrams and wiring diagrams with pin outs ect. any suggestions or
 experience.

 Check out the program Fritzing, free (as in speech and beer), and
 available for Linux, Windows, and Mac.  It's an easy way to do simple
 schematics to document things like breadboard circuits and even make
 simple PCBs.

 http://fritzing.org/home/

 You can easily use Fritzing to make wiring diagrams like this:

 http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/6/6d/Rampswire14.svg

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 char...@steinkuehler.net


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Re: [Emc-users] 3x Servo-To-Go 4 axis isa cards for a bottle of wine, if anybody still needs them

2015-01-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 1/23/2015 3:29 AM, MH wrote:

 Hello,

 if any Linuxcnc user needs a Servo-to-go 4 axis isa card
 (http://www.servotogo.com/), I got three of them, one model 1 and two
 model 2 cards. All were working reliably for years until the day when I
 decommissioned the controllers they were used in and all should still be
 working.

That... that's just insane that anyone is still manufacturing ISA bus 
devices. There hasn't been a motherboard made with ISA slots for what, 
at least a decade or more?


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[Emc-users] Stg documentation, opamp error on the servo-to-go stg card with switch mode dc dc converters in modern atx power supplies

2015-01-23 Thread MH

Hello,

could somebody include a sidenote in the servo-to-go stg documentation here
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/servo_to_go.html
that the opamps on the stg card do not work with all newer atx power 
supplies that use modern switch mode DC-DC converters?

It took me a while to figure out when I wanted to replace a broken power 
supply why the stg card would just output a constant voltage regardless 
of what the driver was commanding it to do. Has to do with the emirr 
(emi rejection ratio) of the opamps to the noise introduced by the 
switch mode dc dc converter in the atx power supply to the Vs voltage of 
the opamp.

Older atx power supplies with linear regulators will work fine with a 
stg card.

BR
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[Emc-users] 3x Servo-To-Go 4 axis isa cards for a bottle of wine, if anybody still needs them

2015-01-23 Thread MH

Hello,

if any Linuxcnc user needs a Servo-to-go 4 axis isa card 
(http://www.servotogo.com/), I got three of them, one model 1 and two 
model 2 cards. All were working reliably for years until the day when I 
decommissioned the controllers they were used in and all should still be 
working.

I do not want any work with them, so if anybody is interested please do 
pick them up in southern Germany or send me a pickup order from your 
favourite shipping company.

It seems a waste to throw them into the trash, since they were once so 
bloody expensive, somewhere around USD 800 each.

I do not want money for them, although I'd be happy to drink a bottle of 
wine ;)

BR
Max.




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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread John Kasunich
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Thursday 22 January 2015 16:56:03 Kirk Wallace did opine
 And Gene did reply:
  In case someone on the East coast (USA) might be interested:
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/121549533052
 
 I am not familiar enough with that.  Whats the bed length, spindle bore 
 etc on one of those?  And I'd guess its too heavy for my GMC half tonner 
 too.  Good price, but I think I'd be dreaming to buy something like that.  
 I'd have to build a building for it. It would still need ball screws etc I 
 assume.
 

You are right that it is fairly big and heavy.  From another site:

Swing over bed: 14
Swing over carriage: 8
Between centers: 12
Collet size: 16C
Spindle bore: 1-5/8
HP: 7
Dims: 100 x 66 x 84
Weight: 5500 lbs

It would NOT need ballscrews.  It was built from the ground up to be
a CNC machine, and already has ballscrews, motors, encoders (or 
maybe resolvers), etc.

The only way it would need ballscrews was if it was used hard and
is clapped out.  And in that case, run away, don't plan on repairing
it.  Screws for that class of machine are NOT cheap.  And if the
screws are worn out then the ways and spindle bearings are also
probably worn.

John

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge CHNC

2015-01-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 23 January 2015 09:22:22 John Kasunich did opine
And Gene did reply:
 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
  On Thursday 22 January 2015 16:56:03 Kirk Wallace did opine
  
  And Gene did reply:
   In case someone on the East coast (USA) might be interested:
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/121549533052
  
  I am not familiar enough with that.  Whats the bed length, spindle
  bore etc on one of those?  And I'd guess its too heavy for my GMC
  half tonner too.  Good price, but I think I'd be dreaming to buy
  something like that. I'd have to build a building for it. It would
  still need ball screws etc I assume.
 
 You are right that it is fairly big and heavy.  From another site:
 
 Swing over bed: 14
 Swing over carriage: 8
 Between centers: 12
 Collet size: 16C
 Spindle bore: 1-5/8
 HP: 7
 Dims: 100 x 66 x 84
 Weight: 5500 lbs
 
 It would NOT need ballscrews.  It was built from the ground up to be
 a CNC machine, and already has ballscrews, motors, encoders (or
 maybe resolvers), etc.
 
 The only way it would need ballscrews was if it was used hard and
 is clapped out.  And in that case, run away, don't plan on repairing
 it.  Screws for that class of machine are NOT cheap.  And if the
 screws are worn out then the ways and spindle bearings are also
 probably worn.
 
 John
 

Thanks John. I need more bed, a couple feet more, but it strikes me that 
any Hardinge they are willing to sell at that price, has to be clapped 
out.

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