Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Chris Albertson]

The SD card will work for file storage but just remember a class 10 SD card
will write at 10MB per second or 80Mbps.

The write speed to the cache on a normal rotating disk is 6Gb or 6000Mbps.
That is about two orders of magnitude better but that is "cheating" as it
is only the interface speed.  The sustained sped of the hard drive is only
about six times faster than the SD card.   Either way the I/O performance
of a Pi is rather disappointing.   What people do to work around this is
keep the files on the hard drives of a "real" computer.  They edit those
files using the real computer so it is as fast as you are used to.   Then
when it comes time to run those files they are NFS mounted.  So basically
you do all the work on the real computer and keep the data there too.

These Pis are powerful computers for many uses.  They can stream a movie to
your TV set. But look at what that means, it takes an hour and a half to
transcode and stream a movie.  That is so long you could watch a movie
while you wait.   My point is not to expect a fast interactive experience
but when you go to cut metal it will run fast enough to make the mill run
at full speed.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Thursday 27 October 2016 18:57:15 W. Martinjak wrote:
>
> > On 2016-10-27 23:07, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor
> > > loading performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And
> > > poor life in a filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but
> > > the sata on a pi is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
> > >
> > > So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?
> >
> > Hi Gene,
> >
> > it depends on which performance records you want break. ;)
> >
> > I suggest going to the next mall, buy a raspberry pi 3, three fast
> > micro-sd cards (1st for testing, 2nd for backup and the 3rd for the
> > running end version)
>
> Ya convinced me, but the next mall, from out here in the puckerbrush of
> WV, is amazon.com.  Its on the way, with free 2 day shipping. 3 32Gb
> class 10 micro-sd's too.  That should wear level for a while. :)
>
> > with 16GB (space for wear leveling) and a fast sd card reader.
> > As I've heard the 7i90 is on the way.
> > Equipped with these arms you can start cnc'ing with pi sized
> > ordinateure. :) Then I/we can assist you to setup the whole stuff.
>
> I'll yelp when it has arrived, probably Monday now as I am tied up and
> being held for ransom tomorrow afternoon at the dealer's shop where I
> bought a 2007 Toy Rav4, about 5 years and 40k miles back & the brakes
> are getting funkity from stuck calipers at 65k miles.  And they will
> want a fee (the ransom) for that.  And I've a window regulator
> (electric) to replace in my GMC before it rains seriously.  Sunshine
> promised over the weekend. :)  Now, if my back will co-operate...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 October 2016 19:14:32 W. Martinjak wrote:

> On 2016-10-28 00:57, W. Martinjak wrote:
> > three fast micro-sd cards
>
> I forgot:
> One fine silver marker for labeling the sd-cards with sequential
> numbers. Believe me, it's really necessary.

I have at least 2 of those, someplace... :)

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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 October 2016 18:57:15 W. Martinjak wrote:

> On 2016-10-27 23:07, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor
> > loading performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And
> > poor life in a filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but
> > the sata on a pi is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
> >
> > So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> it depends on which performance records you want break. ;)
>
> I suggest going to the next mall, buy a raspberry pi 3, three fast
> micro-sd cards (1st for testing, 2nd for backup and the 3rd for the
> running end version)

Ya convinced me, but the next mall, from out here in the puckerbrush of 
WV, is amazon.com.  Its on the way, with free 2 day shipping. 3 32Gb 
class 10 micro-sd's too.  That should wear level for a while. :)

> with 16GB (space for wear leveling) and a fast sd card reader.
> As I've heard the 7i90 is on the way.
> Equipped with these arms you can start cnc'ing with pi sized
> ordinateure. :) Then I/we can assist you to setup the whole stuff.

I'll yelp when it has arrived, probably Monday now as I am tied up and 
being held for ransom tomorrow afternoon at the dealer's shop where I 
bought a 2007 Toy Rav4, about 5 years and 40k miles back & the brakes 
are getting funkity from stuck calipers at 65k miles.  And they will 
want a fee (the ransom) for that.  And I've a window regulator 
(electric) to replace in my GMC before it rains seriously.  Sunshine 
promised over the weekend. :)  Now, if my back will co-operate...
  
Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 27 October 2016 18:08:25 Charles Steinkuehler wrote:

> On 10/27/2016 4:07 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor
> > loading performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And
> > poor life in a filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but
> > the sata on a pi is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
> >
> > So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?
>
> I use sata SSDs on my ARM systems that support it (build machines for
> when the BBB is too slow).  On the BBB I use either class-10 / U1
> devices with lots of extra space (typ. 16G) or I'll NFS mount a
> directory from my file server.  When I'm just using the BBB or setting
> up a system, I typically run entirely off the uSD card.  When I'm
> actively developing, I'll nfs mount a share so I can access the
> development directory from multiple places and the data isn't at-risk
> if I crash the BBB.  That way I can build on my quad-core ARM, test on
> the BBB, and git push/pull from my x86 (which has all the ssh keys, so
> no passwords needed).  Using NFS on the file server also gets me RAID
> storage with nightly off-site backups, so there's extra layers of
> safety.
>
> I don't use the Pi (any flavor) so can't comment on what works well
> there.

I got tired of the fight keeping an NFS mount happy because it often 
wasn't.  Exact same hardware but sshfs is a breath of fresh air as it 
Just Works. Every time!

So thats what I'll setup as data & gcode storage once I am in a position 
of needing it. The configs tree, once running, won't be edited very 
often so it could live on the u-SD.  Or should I just point the sshfs 
link at a Pi-LCNC located on my home net, maybe even on this machine as 
its not drive space crowded.  And that would be backed up by amanda 
every night.  I like that.  I could take the 60Gb SSD out of the Dell I 
am playing with now IF the Orange Pi has a sata, but I'm not sure it has 
a sata.  Its been shipped but no clue where it is.

I have 2 reasons for doing this, first being that its so small it will 
all fit on the door of the motor driver box, which s/b swarf proof.  2nd 
of course is that I'd like to learn something about this shirt pocket 
sized magic, and with the 7i90HD at just a few shekels over $60 shipped, 
cheap enough that I can "play with it".

Speaking of playing, I still haven't a clue how fast I can ask this motor 
to spin.  I set the max hz to 150=4500 revs, and left it spinning for 
about 45 minutes, watching the temps & listening for unusual noises.  
The rear bearing warmed up about 10F, but dropped back to about 7F after 
I picked up a hammer and pecked on the rear bearings socket in the end 
bell, but other than a rather pronounced siren-like howl from the fan 
blades, and a just detectable out of balance rotor, also worse at the 
rear, it sat there and ran like it could do it for 50 years.  And its at 
least 40 yo already, out in the weather from the looks of the paint.

Once in a blue moon I might come across a good deal. I did not expect the 
torch to cut bolts would come out and go to work when I offered him a 
$50 bill for both of them. But it did, like he was hungry. :)  My once 
in a blue moon for this year.

Thank you, Charles.

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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[bari]

On 10/27/2016 04:07 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor loading
> performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And poor life in a
> filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but the sata on a pi
> is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
>
> So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
SD card for bootloader. SATA --> USB for hard drive with kernel and file 
system.

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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Charles Steinkuehler]

On 10/27/2016 6:14 PM, W. Martinjak wrote:
> I forgot:
> One fine silver marker for labeling the sd-cards with sequential numbers.
> Believe me, it's really necessary.

I use a Shaprie on a small piece of Scotch tape, that way I can remove
the labels and apply new when necessary.  I know of others who use
white-out and an ink pin.

...but yes, some sort of labeling is necessary!

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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[albertson . chris]

For data storage most people will put the basic OS on the micro SD card and 
then NFS mount user's home directories. Likely using automount.  Don't put data 
that changes on the SD card or then you will have to back it up

You likely do only accces the pi via ssh over wifi after you set it up. 

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 3:57 PM, W. Martinjak  wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-10-27 23:07, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor loading 
>> performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And poor life in a 
>> filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but the sata on a pi 
>> is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
>> 
>> So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?
> Hi Gene,
> 
> it depends on which performance records you want break. ;)
> 
> I suggest going to the next mall, buy a raspberry pi 3, three fast micro-sd 
> cards (1st for testing, 2nd for backup and the 3rd for the running end
> version)
> with 16GB (space for wear leveling) and a fast sd card reader.
> As I've heard the 7i90 is on the way.
> Equipped with these arms you can start cnc'ing with pi sized ordinateure. :)
> Then I/we can assist you to setup the whole stuff.
> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
> Cheers, Matsche
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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[W. Martinjak]

On 2016-10-28 00:57, W. Martinjak wrote:
> three fast micro-sd cards
I forgot:
One fine silver marker for labeling the sd-cards with sequential numbers.
Believe me, it's really necessary.

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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[W. Martinjak]

On 2016-10-27 23:07, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor loading 
> performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And poor life in a 
> filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but the sata on a pi 
> is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
>
> So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?
Hi Gene,

it depends on which performance records you want break. ;)

I suggest going to the next mall, buy a raspberry pi 3, three fast micro-sd 
cards (1st for testing, 2nd for backup and the 3rd for the running end
version)
with 16GB (space for wear leveling) and a fast sd card reader.
As I've heard the 7i90 is on the way.
Equipped with these arms you can start cnc'ing with pi sized ordinateure. :)
Then I/we can assist you to setup the whole stuff.

> Thanks.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Cheers, Matsche

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Re: [Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Charles Steinkuehler]

On 10/27/2016 4:07 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor loading 
> performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And poor life in a 
> filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but the sata on a pi 
> is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.
> 
> So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?

I use sata SSDs on my ARM systems that support it (build machines for
when the BBB is too slow).  On the BBB I use either class-10 / U1
devices with lots of extra space (typ. 16G) or I'll NFS mount a
directory from my file server.  When I'm just using the BBB or setting
up a system, I typically run entirely off the uSD card.  When I'm
actively developing, I'll nfs mount a share so I can access the
development directory from multiple places and the data isn't at-risk
if I crash the BBB.  That way I can build on my quad-core ARM, test on
the BBB, and git push/pull from my x86 (which has all the ssh keys, so
no passwords needed).  Using NFS on the file server also gets me RAID
storage with nightly off-site backups, so there's extra layers of safety.

I don't use the Pi (any flavor) so can't comment on what works well there.

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[Emc-users] What is usually used in place of rotating memory on one of these "Pi" boards?

[Gene Heskett]

I am getting the impression that a micro-sd would have both poor loading 
performace, call a surveyor to measure write speeds. And poor life in a 
filesystem environment. SSD w/sata would be good, but the sata on a pi 
is a bad kludge from what I'm reading.

So, Bari, Charles S., etc, what are you folks using?

Thanks.

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Re: [Emc-users] PROFIBUS-DP for LinuxCNC with pyprofibus

[Nicklas Karlsson]

I am almost there first data exchange frame seems OK but at second frame slave 
unexpectedly respond with "request fdl status".

Anybody who have a clue why?


On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:33:07 +0200
Michael Büsch  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to announce the first release of my LinuxCNC userspace HAL
> module for PROFIBUS-DP.
> It is based on the pyprofibus project that implements a PROFIBUS stack
> in Python.
> 
> https://bues.ch/h/profibus
> 
> pyprofibus includes an example LinuxCNC project (linuxcnc-demo
> directory) that connects LinuxCNC to an ET200S slave via HAL signals.
> 
> pyprofibus can either be connected directly to LinuxCNC, or awlsim (a
> S7 soft-PLC) can be put in between for additional signal processing
> using an AWL/STL program.
> 
> Feel free to experiment with this stuff.
> I'd be happy if people try this on other PROFIBUS slaves and
> find/squash some bugs in the process.
> 
> Happy hacking and CNCing.
> 
> -- 
> Michael

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Re: [Emc-users] Display issue

[chris]

I found the fix for my problem. Alt F2 then enter xfwm4 --replace. Fixed the
problem just fine.
 
Thank you to everyone that responded to my question, I appreciate the help.
 
Chris
 
 

> On October 27, 2016 at 11:41 AM Jon Elson  wrote:
>
>
> On 10/27/2016 10:58 AM, chris wrote:
> > I just started having a display issue that cropped up this morning when I
> > started up my EMC machine. For some reason the widow controls that normally
> > show
> > up in the right hand corner of the window aren't there. The ones that let
> > you
> > minimize, maximize, and close a window. I'm also not able to maximize the
> > window
> > by using the Alt+F10 combo either, nor am I able to move the window around
> > the
> > screen by grabbing the top of the window. Anyone know what might be going
> > on?
> > Like I said it was working fine yesterday and this morning I went to use the
> > mill and I started having these issues with the computer.
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Re: [Emc-users] Display issue

[Jon Elson]

On 10/27/2016 10:58 AM, chris wrote:
> I just started having a display issue that cropped up this morning when I
> started up my EMC machine. For some reason the widow controls that normally 
> show
> up in the right hand corner of the window aren't there. The ones that let you
> minimize, maximize, and close a window. I'm also not able to maximize the 
> window
> by using the Alt+F10 combo either, nor am I able to move the window around the
> screen by grabbing the top of the window. Anyone know what might be going on?
> Like I said it was working fine yesterday and this morning I went to use the
> mill and I started having these issues with the computer.
>   
>
It sounds like the window manager crashed.  When this 
happens, the windows are still generally working, but you 
can't move or resize them.  In the old days, you could do 
ctrl/alt/backspace to restart X.  You may be able to log out 
and log back in, which should restart the window manager.  
Or, of course, just reboot.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Display issue

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On 10/27/2016 05:58 PM, chris wrote:
> I just started having a display issue that cropped up this morning when I
> started up my EMC machine. For some reason the widow controls that normally 
> show
> up in the right hand corner of the window aren't there. The ones that let you
> minimize, maximize, and close a window. I'm also not able to maximize the 
> window
> by using the Alt+F10 combo either, nor am I able to move the window around the
> screen by grabbing the top of the window. Anyone know what might be going on?
> Like I said it was working fine yesterday and this morning I went to use the
> mill and I started having these issues with the computer.

Looks like the window-manager has died upon you.

Did you update any software in between?

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[Emc-users] Display issue

[chris]

I just started having a display issue that cropped up this morning when I
started up my EMC machine. For some reason the widow controls that normally show
up in the right hand corner of the window aren't there. The ones that let you
minimize, maximize, and close a window. I'm also not able to maximize the window
by using the Alt+F10 combo either, nor am I able to move the window around the
screen by grabbing the top of the window. Anyone know what might be going on?
Like I said it was working fine yesterday and this morning I went to use the
mill and I started having these issues with the computer.
 
Chris
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Changing rapid traverse rate at run-time

[Todd Zuercher]

Somewhat new, I think it was introduced with 2.7.

- Original Message -
From: "Alexander Rössler" 
To: "Chris Radek" 
Cc: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 3:21:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Changing rapid traverse rate at run-time

On 2016-10-25 20:32, Chris Radek wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:09:04AM +0200, Alexander R??ssler wrote:
>> Is there a way to change the rapid traverse rate (G0) ate run-time?
>> Preferably without touching NML...
> 
> You can choose from the Rapid Override slider (percentage) and the
> Max Velocity slider (velocity cap).
> 
> If neither of these work for your application, tell us more!
Rapidrate is probably what I'm looking for.

Is this command new?

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Re: [Emc-users] Changing rapid traverse rate at run-time

[Alexander Rössler]

On 2016-10-25 20:32, Chris Radek wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:09:04AM +0200, Alexander R??ssler wrote:
>> Is there a way to change the rapid traverse rate (G0) ate run-time?
>> Preferably without touching NML...
> 
> You can choose from the Rapid Override slider (percentage) and the
> Max Velocity slider (velocity cap).
> 
> If neither of these work for your application, tell us more!
Rapidrate is probably what I'm looking for.

Is this command new?

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