Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
Amazing!Sent from my Samsung S10 Original message From: Sam Sokolik Date: 2023-04-20 10:25 a.m. (GMT-08:00) To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. the corners are what the boring produced.samOn Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:18 PM John Dammeyer wrote:> Nice square edges on the flat.> https://photos.app.goo.gl/isaJ3CqR1kLjqoPK6>> Or did you use the shaper approach and cut the corners that way?> John>> > -Original Message-> > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com]> > Sent: April-20-23 9:28 AM> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..> >> > I did it on the mill..> >> > (this was testing)> > https://www.youtube.com/shorts/23bEsKMNJH0> >> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:08?AM John Dammeyer > > wrote:> >> > > So it was bored on the lathe using your spindle tracked motion?> > >> > > > -Original Message-> > > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com]> > > > Sent: April-20-23 5:03 AM> > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)> > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular> boring..> > > >> > > > Sure - Maybe if it was made out of steel - the area is so tight that> > > there> > > > isn't much room around the ball nut.> > > >> > > > The green machine that I am using to cut this has just what you say.> > > > (obviously a lot more room)> > > >> > > > https://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154610.jpg> > > >> > > > But what fun would that be? ;)> > > >> > > > This is a nice press fit. it turned out better than I thought it> would.> > > > Now I just can't screw up the rest of the machining... :)> > > >> > > > sam> > > >> > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:58?AM andy pugh > wrote:> > > >> > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as> well> > > with> > > > > the bottom open and a circular bore?> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > atp> > > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is> > > designed> > > > > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and> lunatics."> > > > > ? George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912> > > > >> > > > > ___> > > > > Emc-users mailing list> > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users> > > > >> > > >> > > > ___> > > > Emc-users mailing list> > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users> > >> > >> > >> > > ___> > > Emc-users mailing list> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users> > >> >> > ___> > Emc-users mailing list> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users>>>> ___> Emc-users mailing list> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users>___Emc-users mailing listEmc-users@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
the corners are what the boring produced. sam On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 12:18 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Nice square edges on the flat. > https://photos.app.goo.gl/isaJ3CqR1kLjqoPK6 > > Or did you use the shaper approach and cut the corners that way? > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Sent: April-20-23 9:28 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > > > I did it on the mill.. > > > > (this was testing) > > https://www.youtube.com/shorts/23bEsKMNJH0 > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:08?AM John Dammeyer > > wrote: > > > > > So it was bored on the lathe using your spindle tracked motion? > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: April-20-23 5:03 AM > > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular > boring.. > > > > > > > > Sure - Maybe if it was made out of steel - the area is so tight that > > > there > > > > isn't much room around the ball nut. > > > > > > > > The green machine that I am using to cut this has just what you say. > > > > (obviously a lot more room) > > > > > > > > https://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154610.jpg > > > > > > > > But what fun would that be? ;) > > > > > > > > This is a nice press fit. it turned out better than I thought it > would. > > > > Now I just can't screw up the rest of the machining... :) > > > > > > > > sam > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:58?AM andy pugh > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as > well > > > with > > > > > the bottom open and a circular bore? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > atp > > > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > > designed > > > > > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > > > > > ? George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
Nice square edges on the flat. https://photos.app.goo.gl/isaJ3CqR1kLjqoPK6 Or did you use the shaper approach and cut the corners that way? John > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: April-20-23 9:28 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > I did it on the mill.. > > (this was testing) > https://www.youtube.com/shorts/23bEsKMNJH0 > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:08?AM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > So it was bored on the lathe using your spindle tracked motion? > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: April-20-23 5:03 AM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > > > > > Sure - Maybe if it was made out of steel - the area is so tight that > > there > > > isn't much room around the ball nut. > > > > > > The green machine that I am using to cut this has just what you say. > > > (obviously a lot more room) > > > > > > https://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154610.jpg > > > > > > But what fun would that be? ;) > > > > > > This is a nice press fit. it turned out better than I thought it would. > > > Now I just can't screw up the rest of the machining... :) > > > > > > sam > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:58?AM andy pugh wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A > > > > > > > > > > > > That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as well > > with > > > > the bottom open and a circular bore? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > atp > > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > designed > > > > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > > > > ? George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
I did it on the mill.. (this was testing) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/23bEsKMNJH0 On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:08 AM John Dammeyer wrote: > So it was bored on the lathe using your spindle tracked motion? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Sent: April-20-23 5:03 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > > > Sure - Maybe if it was made out of steel - the area is so tight that > there > > isn't much room around the ball nut. > > > > The green machine that I am using to cut this has just what you say. > > (obviously a lot more room) > > > > https://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154610.jpg > > > > But what fun would that be? ;) > > > > This is a nice press fit. it turned out better than I thought it would. > > Now I just can't screw up the rest of the machining... :) > > > > sam > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:58?AM andy pugh wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A > > > > > > > > > That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as well > with > > > the bottom open and a circular bore? > > > > > > -- > > > atp > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed > > > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > > > � George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
So it was bored on the lathe using your spindle tracked motion? > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: April-20-23 5:03 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > Sure - Maybe if it was made out of steel - the area is so tight that there > isn't much room around the ball nut. > > The green machine that I am using to cut this has just what you say. > (obviously a lot more room) > > https://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154610.jpg > > But what fun would that be? ;) > > This is a nice press fit. it turned out better than I thought it would. > Now I just can't screw up the rest of the machining... :) > > sam > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:58?AM andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A > > > > > > That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as well with > > the bottom open and a circular bore? > > > > -- > > atp > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > > � George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
Sure - Maybe if it was made out of steel - the area is so tight that there isn't much room around the ball nut. The green machine that I am using to cut this has just what you say. (obviously a lot more room) https://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/20180903_154610.jpg But what fun would that be? ;) This is a nice press fit. it turned out better than I thought it would. Now I just can't screw up the rest of the machining... :) sam On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 2:58 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A > > > That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as well with > the bottom open and a circular bore? > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 02:21, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A That's really nice, though I think it might have worked just as well with the bottom open and a circular bore? -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
I need a servo driven fast machine to do this https://photos.app.goo.gl/isaJ3CqR1kLjqoPK6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/uqdkdMuDpp8oACy3A On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:30 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > BTW - this is still being run by a rpi 4... (and mesa) > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 6:41 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > >> The poorly named 'polygon.comp' generates polygons and D shapes by giving >> it a few parameters.The comp takes into account the tool diameter so it >> creates the correct shape. >> >> I also added the functionality to 'scan' in a shape to the comp. It is >> probably the easiest to explain in a video.. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4sKHBh6rDk >> >> >> Currently I use motion i/o to send the parameters from g-code. But there >> is always a plan for a re-map. >> >> sam >> >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:36 PM John Dammeyer >> wrote: >> >>> Love it. Nicely done. >>> >>> How did you do the cad part. Ie. to know what diameter curve to create >>> on the drawing so the tool created the straight edge. >>> >>> What G-Code was used so the boring tool stayed synchronized. >>> >>> Curious minds wish to know... >>> John >>> >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] >>> > Sent: March-12-23 8:13 AM >>> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >>> > Subject: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. >>> > >>> > When all you have is a hammer >>> > >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLz4kWoAEI >>> > >>> > sam >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Emc-users mailing list >>> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Emc-users mailing list >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >>> >> ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
BTW - this is still being run by a rpi 4... (and mesa) On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 6:41 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > The poorly named 'polygon.comp' generates polygons and D shapes by giving > it a few parameters.The comp takes into account the tool diameter so it > creates the correct shape. > > I also added the functionality to 'scan' in a shape to the comp. It is > probably the easiest to explain in a video.. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4sKHBh6rDk > > > Currently I use motion i/o to send the parameters from g-code. But there > is always a plan for a re-map. > > sam > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:36 PM John Dammeyer > wrote: > >> Love it. Nicely done. >> >> How did you do the cad part. Ie. to know what diameter curve to create >> on the drawing so the tool created the straight edge. >> >> What G-Code was used so the boring tool stayed synchronized. >> >> Curious minds wish to know... >> John >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: March-12-23 8:13 AM >> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >> > Subject: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. >> > >> > When all you have is a hammer >> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLz4kWoAEI >> > >> > sam >> > >> > ___ >> > Emc-users mailing list >> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> >> >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
The poorly named 'polygon.comp' generates polygons and D shapes by giving it a few parameters.The comp takes into account the tool diameter so it creates the correct shape. I also added the functionality to 'scan' in a shape to the comp. It is probably the easiest to explain in a video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4sKHBh6rDk Currently I use motion i/o to send the parameters from g-code. But there is always a plan for a re-map. sam On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:36 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Love it. Nicely done. > > How did you do the cad part. Ie. to know what diameter curve to create on > the drawing so the tool created the straight edge. > > What G-Code was used so the boring tool stayed synchronized. > > Curious minds wish to know... > John > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Sent: March-12-23 8:13 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > > > When all you have is a hammer > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLz4kWoAEI > > > > sam > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
Love it. Nicely done. How did you do the cad part. Ie. to know what diameter curve to create on the drawing so the tool created the straight edge. What G-Code was used so the boring tool stayed synchronized. Curious minds wish to know... John > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: March-12-23 8:13 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring.. > > When all you have is a hammer > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLz4kWoAEI > > sam > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
No!! it is mainly so it is as strong as I can make it in such a small spot.. sam On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 11:51 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 15:17, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > When all you have is a hammer > > > > Cool, though the part would almost certainly work just fine with an open > bottom... > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
It is a 800? Watt brushless servo belt driven. It is being run by a stmbl drive. It isn't running position mode - the encoder that linuxcnc used for spindle synced motion is mounted on the spindle. On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 11:14 AM Rob C wrote: > Nice! > > what is your spindle? > > servo motor with encoder? > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 15:17, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > When all you have is a hammer > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLz4kWoAEI > > > > sam > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 15:17, Sam Sokolik wrote: > When all you have is a hammer > Cool, though the part would almost certainly work just fine with an open bottom... -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] An actual application for non-circular boring..
Nice! what is your spindle? servo motor with encoder? On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 at 15:17, Sam Sokolik wrote: > When all you have is a hammer > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLz4kWoAEI > > sam > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
