Re: [Eug-lug] faceybook....
Anyone remember our old geek code? Who was Seth++ and who was not... and so forth... On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Hippy Nerd hippyn...@gmail.com wrote: I should have posted both! On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Nelson da...@davidnelson.netwrote: I think you meant…. *+1* :P On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Hippy Nerd wrote: [like] On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:19 AM, seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org wrote: Aw Pop, he started it . . . (I'll be better, I promise). On 7/18/2011 9:54 PM, Hippy Nerd wrote: Both of you, off to bed with no desert. Dont make me come up there. to tell you to go to sleep. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] means to and end?
I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Oh, that's a good point. Meetup has gotten very popular. Are we okay with popular/populist outlets and tools? It does seem to go against the grain of the spirit of our movement... Ben On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:51 PM, David Nelson da...@davidnelson.net wrote: I am relatively new to the group (also went to ITProForum for the first time last night) so take my opinion with a grain of salt… I had been meaning to come to meetings for quite some time but it's easy for a time and date to get lost in a flurry of email. If there was a Facebook event people got invited to, as well as regular reminders on Google+ and/or Twitter, it might help other people like me actually make it to a meeting once in a while. That said, I think those things should be used primarily to promote the group rather than making them yet another venue for discussion… at work our tech group has a mailing list, a blog, a wiki and probably something else I am forgetting. There is no clear purpose for one or the other, so communication is pretty fragmented and people use one or the other depending on personal preference. I would not want to see that happen here. To sum it up: I like the idea if it stays focused and doesn't pull activity away from this list. Thanks for listening! David On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ben Barrett wrote: I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] faceybook....
There seems to be a prevalent tone about Facebook. It seems to be implied to be uncool to use it unless you justify yourself. Can we tone down the zeal and stick to what we're good at, please? [Skipping snerky I use Facebook to grow all the food I eat quip here] The OP was about open community to support GNU/Linux and Open Source, so let's try to help each other rather than flinging poo about what's not cool. Please? I do enjoy the jokes... but... Ben PS - yeah I'm on Google Plus too. That doesn't appear to be open-source either, but it does appear to give users more control of their content, its future use, and their rights. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net wrote: On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:28 PM, seymoor nates wrote: Actually one of those pretty much sums up a facecrook profile. Or if by one of those you mean one who refrains from consuming every manic fad that comes along . . . On 7/18/2011 9:12 PM, Alan wrote: Ah, you're one of those then. Nevermind. **plonk** Then there are those of us who use FB to keep in touch with people we've actually met, write messages to those people and generally keep in touch. But I don't play the games, I don't take the surveys, I don't do the other stuff. Russell Johnson r...@dimstar.net ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] faceybook....
What did you find? This one? https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11330462991 It's not a proper group, but rather a personal account... and was created there only about a year ago. Anyone can start a group or another account though, so it's hard to say something is official if it goes unchallenged. Thanks Jamie, ben On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Hippy Nerd hippyn...@gmail.com wrote: I just checked the faceycrack, and theres a euglug thing, yay. The thing I want to know is, why anyone has to ask for permission to join? is this also true of the mailinglist? These should both be open to anyone, afterall, the core of our ideology is openness and transparency. Have things changed? are we about being open or are we about hiding and keeping secrets now? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] faceybook....
I'm proud of your Seymoor. Do you use twitter? On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:32 PM, seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org wrote: No offense but you couldn't pay me to log on at face crook. (Don't even go there unless I can do it anonymously). ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Bot infection stored in MBR
I'm afraid that statement is simply not true, Ed! Malware developers work on MANY platforms, ranging from handheld devices to power-plant-control systems. Windows may still be the primary target platform, but *certainly* not the only one!! There exists malware for Linux, and for OS X, etc. Malware tries to be invisible, which may be why you haven't seen it. Where there's a profit (and power-and-control as well as intelligence can be profitized), there's a motive... BenB On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Edward Craig epcr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Windows is the only platform malware authors develop for. When they get around to Linux we'll know Linux has arrived. I have never seen malware, myself, but I've been using non-Windows PCs since 1997. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 13:28, Timothy J. Wiley tjwi...@gmail.com wrote: So you're implying that only Windows is currently vulnerable to attacks? Wow. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:04 PM, abr...@peak.org wrote: Neither. I am talking about the next generation infection which installs a VM under your OS. There has been talk of this for a while, but so far as I know none yet exists. But installing in the MBR is a critical element of any such VM infection. -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ A bug is a test case you haven't written yet. --- Mark Pilgrim - Original Message - From: Timothy J. Wiley tjwi...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:47:59 PM Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Bot infection stored in MBR Vulnerable to what? This particular infection or infections in general? On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, abr...@peak.org wrote: This seems like a small step away from booting into a virtual machine. At that point all OSs are vulnerable, not just Windoze. -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ Plug-and-Play is really nice, unfortunately it only works 50% of the time. To be specific the Plug almost always works. ---unknown source - Original Message - From: Mr O notanathe...@yahoo.com To: abr...@peak.org , Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:46:53 AM Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Bot infection stored in MBR Nothing new here. Move along. --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: From: Allen Brown abr...@peak.org Subject: [Eug-lug] Bot infection stored in MBR To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 10:34 AM http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13973805 -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ Is there another word for synonym? --- George Carlin ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug -- Edward P. Craig Think this through with me. Let me know your mind Hunter/Garcia ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] help!
If it is older hardware, it would probably help to list its specs and/or limitations. (will the bios allow it to boot from a USB device, for example?) Also, is this a linux newbie and/or do they already have a particular flavor of linux in mind? ciao :) On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Julie Baumler j...@baumler.com wrote: Hi Hannah - We meet every Thursday evening.You can also ask any questions here on the list. Hope to meet you soon! Julie On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Hannah Glass cartagenagl...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Eugene, I want to help a friend convert their Toshiba to Linux. When is the next meeting this summer so I could get help from you all? Thanks! All best, Hannah M Glass ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Google Docs
So, a few questions: 1. Do you require real-time collaboration? 2. Is obscurity enough security for your images (and document as a whole)? 2a. Could you use screen-quality image versions for the composition of the work, and swap in print-quality ones later? 3. Does your solution need to be cheap-or-free? -Ben On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, JS Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com wrote: I forgot, uploading a PDF also gets you images with Google Docs. For example, here's our local ham radio club newsletter: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vpid=explorerchrome=truesrcid=0B4g_J4lkPJMWMjhhMDY1ZTAtOTg4MS00ODkwLTgxNjctYWRhYmE1YjIyNjlmhl=en_US --Kaplan *Melita! domi adsum. Honey! I'm home. *Henry Beard, *Latin for All Occasions*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_for_all_Occasions . ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] How to summon the open with dialog from a bash command line?
I believe that would be dependent on your window manager, or at least that you could summon a Gnome or KDE panel only if those libraries were available on the given system so you may have trouble making something open everywhere unless you make your own X component for it or find one to re-use... you might be able to look into Nautilus (gnome) or Konqueror (kde) file browsers for a nice function... Don't know more, but this set off some blinky warning lights in my head :) Ben On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:43 PM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, I'm working on a cross-platform Lua script that needs to, inter alia, summon an Open With dialog from a Bash command line, the dialog that typically pops up when a file has no app associated with it in the environment. But I'm having no luck finding how to do that. Anyone here happen to know the answer or some keywords that might help me track it down? FWIW and in case it's of any use to someone else, I found the equivalent command line for Windows: Rundll32.exe shell32.dll, OpenAs_RunDLL [filepath] Thanks in advance, Paul ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] How to summon the open with dialog from a bashcommand line?
I would guess that a custom solution for this would be difficult if you really don't know anything about the environment it is running in.. for example, where do users have their apps installed?? If said tool is being built for a known environment then it is easy, right? :) If there is a list of preferred and common utilities you want to suggest, you could use which, whereis, etc to confirm their existence and location... but for the most generalized solution I think you'd be best using existing tools in KDE or Gnome since they're the most common. So, what about ncurses? You like it? There is a curses module for Lua at http://www.t2-project.org/packages/lua-curses.html but I'm not clear what you're getting at... Ben On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:37 PM, brads...@fastmail.us wrote: How about using ncurses? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: larry price lapr...@gmail.com Sender: euglug-boun...@euglug.org Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:05:45 To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Groupeuglug@euglug.org Reply-To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] How to summon the open with dialog from a bash command line? Ben is correct, this is going to be different from one window manager to the next. Here's a nice intro to gnome-open which is what you would want to use on ubuntu http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/12/16/gnome-open-open-anything-from-the-command-line/ in OS X you would use open But for historical reasons this means something completely different in the world of linux (usually but not always an alias for openvt), which only works when you are using the console, and will fail if you are in a GUI. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that would be dependent on your window manager, or at least that you could summon a Gnome or KDE panel only if those libraries were available on the given system so you may have trouble making something open everywhere unless you make your own X component for it or find one to re-use... you might be able to look into Nautilus (gnome) or Konqueror (kde) file browsers for a nice function... Don't know more, but this set off some blinky warning lights in my head :) Ben On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:43 PM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, I'm working on a cross-platform Lua script that needs to, inter alia, summon an Open With dialog from a Bash command line, the dialog that typically pops up when a file has no app associated with it in the environment. But I'm having no luck finding how to do that. Anyone here happen to know the answer or some keywords that might help me track it down? FWIW and in case it's of any use to someone else, I found the equivalent command line for Windows: Rundll32.exe shell32.dll, OpenAs_RunDLL [filepath] Thanks in advance, Paul ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Beaver Bar Camp 7 is coming up April 9
Where are you located, Kent? I am planning on going up... anyone else?? On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Kent Loobey k...@uoregon.edu wrote: On Tuesday 22 March 2011 09:47:08 Kent Loobey wrote: On Monday 21 March 2011 17:50:49 Ben Barrett wrote: You just can't keep up with the wiki wiki :) http://beaverbarcamp.org/index.php/Beaver_BarCamp6 says 2010 (correctly), so it seems like logical confirmation that BBC7 is in 2011, FWIW ;) Anyone prefer to arrange carpool via this list or will folks be populating that wiki node? I'd like to go, and could drive if no fancier cars are available... I would like to go but I need a ride to do it. I would really like to go to this. I have checked the bus schedule and on Saturday the bus leaves at 6:40 AM going to Corvallis and the latest one returning is at 2:55 PM. I would need to stay overnight if I take the bus. So if anyone is going from here that could take a rider I would sure appreciate it. Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Beaver Bar Camp 7 is coming up April 9
Thanks Bob! What is this foo-bar you speak of? It sounds like some sort of mythic reference that deserves some historical context. Partly kidding... I know that foo and bar have been used as names for arbitrary variables, similar to X and Y for algebra, but does anyone know if there is a connection to the old acronym, which I think came from the military sphere, fubar: f'ed up beyond all recognition (which might also relate to snafu: situation normal, all ) ??? :) On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Bob Miller k...@jogger-egg.com wrote: History. Once upon a time, Tim O'Reilly (O'Reilly Publishing) invited hundreds of interesting people to an unconference called FOO (Friends Of O'Reilly). It had no published program, but participants were invited to present talks about whatever was interesting them at the time. Since FOO was invitation-only, a bunch of people who weren't invited started the Bar Camps. (foo - bar, get it?) The theme is the same: no published program, please bring something interesting. And there are many Bar Camps worldwide. I went to the first Beaver Bar Camp. About half the people there presented at least one talk. I'm planning to go to this one too. I don't have any talks in mind yet. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Kent Loobey k...@uoregon.edu wrote: On Monday 21 March 2011 16:49:07 Larry Price wrote: Just a reminder to all of us interested in geeky activities. http://beaverbarcamp.org/index.php/Beaver_BarCamp7 Is coming up. I'm planning on doing a workshop on using PostGIS to manipulate spatial data, with examples using the City of Albany shapefiles that are available online and some hackery I'm doing with the GoWalla api. So what is a Beaver Bar Camp about? PostGIS? Will the workshops be posted before the event date? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug -- Bob Miller Kbob k...@jogger-egg.com ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Beaver Bar Camp 7 is coming up April 9
You just can't keep up with the wiki wiki :) http://beaverbarcamp.org/index.php/Beaver_BarCamp6 says 2010 (correctly), so it seems like logical confirmation that BBC7 is in 2011, FWIW ;) Anyone prefer to arrange carpool via this list or will folks be populating that wiki node? I'd like to go, and could drive if no fancier cars are available... Ben On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:26 PM, abr...@peak.org wrote: That web site says the event is in 2010. I've heard it is April 9, 2011. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ CAUTION: Not for internal use. If swallowed, use Microsoft software to induce vomiting. - Original Message - From: Larry Price lapr...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 4:49:07 PM Subject: [Eug-lug] Beaver Bar Camp 7 is coming up April 9 Just a reminder to all of us interested in geeky activities. http://beaverbarcamp.org/index.php/Beaver_BarCamp7 Is coming up. I'm planning on doing a workshop on using PostGIS to manipulate spatial data, with examples using the City of Albany shapefiles that are available online and some hackery I'm doing with the GoWalla api. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Beaver Bar Camp 7 is coming up April 9
Hello, hello! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp http://barcamp.org :) bye On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:58 PM, abr...@peak.org wrote: BBC is a get-together for people who do interesting things. (I don't know any other way to describe it.) A group of us will show the Reprap we are building. http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page We got together to start this project at the last BBC, with some of us meeting for the first time there. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ Anything worth doing is worth overdoing. --- Allen Brown - Original Message - From: Kent Loobey k...@uoregon.edu To: euglug@euglug.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Beaver Bar Camp 7 is coming up April 9 On Monday 21 March 2011 16:49:07 Larry Price wrote: Just a reminder to all of us interested in geeky activities. http://beaverbarcamp.org/index.php/Beaver_BarCamp7 Is coming up. I'm planning on doing a workshop on using PostGIS to manipulate spatial data, with examples using the City of Albany shapefiles that are available online and some hackery I'm doing with the GoWalla api. So what is a Beaver Bar Camp about? PostGIS? Will the workshops be posted before the event date? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] [Fwd: solve one problem, create another problem]
Howdy, I think this is what you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD I was going to suggest chroot, but I see that is the 3rd option there! Here is one more I found via google, nice and short and not terribly out of date: http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/how-to-chroot-to-ubuntu-using-live-cd-to-fix-grub-rescue-prompt/ Beware if your ubuntu is older it might be grub and not grub2... Ben On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:35 PM, morg...@efn.org wrote: Original Message Subject: solve one problem, create another problem From:morg...@efn.org Date:Mon, February 21, 2011 5:01 pm To: eug...@euglug.net -- I have my system set up as a dual boot with XP and Ubuntu. I was able to resize, enlarge the Ubuntu partition and it looks like all of the information is intact, but when I lost the dual boot in doing this. XP runs, but I cannot get the dual boot to include Ubuntu. I have a live CD for Ubuntu and when I go to reinstall I get as far as manually installing on the correct partition but I get a message that says that I need to specify a partition for the root file. No root file system is defined Please correct this from the partitioning menu I have the options of / /boot /home /tmp /usr /var /srv /opt /user/local and it seems that none of these options are working for me. Where I need to install/repair the installation is /media/sda/7 hopefully without erasing anything. What am I missing? Wes Morgan ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] slow system
Hey, no need to send this or core dumps, to the list, now :) You can tell a lot about a system from an lsof dump; you'll also notice Permission denied on items which require more access (use root if you want to see all)... hope you're enjoying learning all about your system! 268 was the number of open file handles by firefox (not the # of processes), roughly speaking, at the time you ran that — however, grep could have matched on something else such as a path with firefox in a folder name, whether related to a firefox process or not... vmstat and lsof are reporting on realtime info about the processes you're running, as netstat does for netwo. How to read them is well-documented, although it is much more info than most users ever need to know. Google for more or select these random/non-preferred resources: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/lsof.html http://www.helpmehost.com/linux/reading-vmstat-in-linux-part-1/ also http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Network/netstat.htm All three of these commands will prefer to the PID of a running process, if you like; but firefox generally has many related PIDs. Just noticed Chris's response, which is a good summary for your situation. If you have very large local mailboxes, that might be crunching your disks... desktop search/indexing might also be too much for your system, so try disabling that if it was on :) Hope this is making more sense now, Ben PS - you may be able to use smartd or even new GUI front-ends for it, to see if your drive have any self-reported failures, check smartd's man page or for example, http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/know-when-your-drives-are-failing-smartd On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Joseph Weston Morgan morg...@efn.orgwrote: *with the vmstat -n 5*,* I get a long list, which this is part of, * procs ---memory-- ---swap-- -io -system-- cpu r b swpdfree buff cache sisobi bo in csus sy i d wa 0 0 32446640 44316 1858244242387 148393 1680 47 131723 *how do you read this?* *and with lsof|grep firefox|wc -l, I get* wes@kathy:~$ lsof|grep firefox|wc -l 268 *Is this the number of processes that are running?* * With just the lsof I get a huge amount of information, and I don't know how to read it either.* thunderbi 1960wes mem REG8,6 1392569274309 /var/cache/fontconfig/365b55f210c0a22e9a19e35191240f32-le32d4.cache-3 ...clipped... ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] slow system
vmstat with the -n option would probably give more clear and pointed information about resource utilization (albeit not relative to any specific processes), if you're trying to see where you become swap-bound or disk-bound, etc. So vmstat -n 5 in its own terminal... lsof is another very useful tool, not sure if you've got it by default; but you can do simple piping such as lsof|grep firefox|wc -l to see how many handles firefox has open, for example. Maybe there are easier ways to do that, but that is how I learned. Agreed about Firefox not always closing out properly on linux, I find firefox-bin is the name of the process that hangs around most often, so killall helps there. I have not seen that problem much on Winders or Mac builds. Ben On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Horst knoblauch137-0...@yahoo.com wrote: ... then start other apps, then firefox with increasing Tabs and demands. i.e. *before* you reboot, set firefox General to start with a blank page, not to restore previous Tabs. You can also slow down top refresh to 5 sec or more for easier snapshots: top -d 5 - Horst ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] slow system
A few thoughts: 1) Load is relative to the # of CPU's (including hyperthreaded). So 2 is not high for a dual-core or a single-core hyperthreaded. 5 is high for that sort of system, but then, not for a hyperthreaded quad-core :) I get the drift that this system is older, but I did not see any reference to the # of cpu's. 2) Good points were made about Firefox and its extensions. Hope that helped! 3) You mentioned Compiz was running. Do you have hardware accelerated 3D? Even if so, IIRC some of compiz functions might tax the CPU quite a bit, and that could be relative to you screen res... multiple screens could also exacerbate this. 4) Is this a DDR, DDR2, etc, system? Stuffing more RAM on a slow bus might not help as much as you'd hope... which might point you toward a mobo upgrade. 5) Gkrellm is neat and I'm also one of those freaks who runs it all the time on all the systems, but I always turn its update frequency down from 10/sec to 2 or 3/sec... this seems to help on slow systems! Hope this helps, Ben On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Joseph Weston Morgan morg...@efn.orgwrote: Unfortunately not. I would need a new motherboard. On 01/23/2011 12:22 PM, abr...@peak.org wrote: Any chance you could stuff more RAM into it? It looks hungry to me. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Certificates
Are you working from this thread's info? http://forums.novell.com/novell-product-support-forums/identity-manager/im-userapp-workflow/425036-godaddy-jboss-2.html On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Kaplan kg7fu97...@gmail.com wrote: There is an Apache certificate howto on godaddy. No help there then I wonder if your build is missing a key (sorry pun) item? --Kaplan ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] ubuntu disc available?
Howdy folks, I've got a friend who wants an ubuntu disc, and I thought I'd ask around before downloading and burning a fresh one... He's got a P4 2.6Ghz w/ 1GB RAM, also a a five year old Dell Inspiron 720m ... that'll be okay with the latest 10.10 version, right? Thanks, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Gizmag: Firesheep session hijacking tool
We could use a private SSL proxy of sorts, no? That is, employing the same sort of man-in-the-middle tools, a web proxy but connecting to us via https. Does anyone reading along know if such a thing exists, or if existing SSL proxies can handle this? Sorry, I haven't been keeping up on proxies lately. I noticed http://proxy.org/ssl_proxies.shtml and it doesn't seem sensible to go trusting any unknown proxies out there... tips or experience? It looks like it would be a great journalistic expose to create some soc-net accounts and try to track how those accounts are accessed and abused and so forth... :) Back to the block: One could also use OpenVPN or similar VPN to route their web traffic through to a more secure uplink, right? The difficulties of open-access wifi are well-known, but I do find it interesting to see new adaptions of existing vectors: a firefox plugin, go figure!! ciao On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:35 AM, abr...@peak.org wrote: The block? If I understand the description correctly there are only a few ways to avoid the exploit. - Don't use WiFi where a hostile entity can listen. - Block all cookies, preventing you from using the sites which use cookies to identify you and which don't use SSL. - Don't visit those same sites. - Force those sites to use SSL. Of course if they don't support it, this fails. None of these solutions reliably give you the capability to visit social media sites from public WiFi. What block do you refer to? Oh, wait. There is another way. You could VNC back to your home network and visit the social media site indirectly from there. This way you have encryption at the vulnerable part of the connection. Downsides: more complex and slower. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ Familiarity breeds contempt - and children. --- Mark Twain - Original Message - From: Lorraine Kerwood lorra...@nextsteprecycling.org To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2010 12:24:18 AM Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Gizmag: Firesheep session hijacking tool Got the block from EFF. From: Allen Brown abr...@peak.org Organization: Rex Kinetic Sculpture Team Reply-To: abr...@peak.org, Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:58:23 -0700 To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Subject: [Eug-lug] Gizmag: Firesheep session hijacking tool Exploiting a security hole in many social networking sites http://www.gizmag.com/firesheep-http-hijacking-tool/16726/ -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Gizmag: Firesheep session hijacking tool
And for bonus points, tunnel SSL over DNS where possible :p On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Alan eug...@thebucks.net wrote: On 11/03/2010 03:10 PM, Allen Brown wrote: Good point. Of course this suffers from the same weaknesses as VNC. It just suffers less. I suppose. I routinely tunnel all of my traffic at public internet access points anyway, so for me it isn't sort of hardship. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] DVD, Region Code 2, 5.8 GiB, 2 Layers -- HowTo ?
package: libdvdread4 ? re: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs another source mentioned adding plf to your sources... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368415 Should be do-able, I think! a nifty perl-gui called dvd::rip might help too: http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ cheers, Ben On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Horst knoblauch137-0...@yahoo.com wrote: I got a European movie on DVD I am unable to play or even copy. The DVD is new, and no wear visible. The only app I got to play some broken, pixelated scenes is SMPlayer. I can't even copy some of the files from the command line (see below). Trying to copy those files from an XP box is rejected with some 'encryption' msg (I forgot exact wording) Some key parameters : Region Code 2, PAL, 5.8 GiB, 2 Layers For full K3b media info see below. So I guess, I need apps that remove the region code (either for copying, or in DVD firmware?), then lossy compress the 5.8 GB into something that fits on a regular DVD, but not sure about the 2 Layers issue? PAL should be a non-issue on PC/3y old hardware, right? When I search the web, solutions seem plentiful, but murky. Murky in that it's not really clear or clean what they want me to install on my box (kubuntu 9.10). Anything from official Ubuntu repository? Any ideas, other than buying a region code 0 player? Horst === cmd line (some numbers set to 111 )=== VIDEO_TS$ ll VTS_01_0* -r--r--r-- 1 4294967111 4294967111 77821 2010-07-02 01:33 VTS_01_0.IFO -r--r--r-- 1 4294967111 4294967111 77821 2010-07-02 01:33 VTS_01_0.BUP -r--r--r-- 1 4294967111 4294967111 140185111 2010-07-02 01:33 VTS_01_0.VOB VIDEO_TS$ cp VTS_01_0* ~/Desktop/DVD_tmp/ cp: reading `VTS_01_0.VOB': Input/output error VIDEO_TS$ file VTS_01_0.VOB VTS_01_0.VOB: ERROR: cannot read `VTS_01_0.VOB' (Input/output error) VIDEO_TS$ K3b (some info x'ed out) == Type:DVD-ROM Media ID:unknown Capacity:676:43:xx min (5.8 GiB) Used Capacity:676:43:xx min (5.8 GiB) Rewritable:no Appendable:no Empty:no Layers:2 Sessions:1 ISO9660 Filesystem Info System Id:- Volume Id: Volume Set Id:UNDEFINED Publisher Id:- Preparer Id:- Application Id:- Volume Size:5.8 GiB (2,048 B * 3,045,24x blocks = 6,236,665,xxx B) Tracks TypeAttributesFirst-Last SectorLength 1(Data)no copy/uninterrupted0 - 30452463045247 (676:43:xx) ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] [ITPRO-ANNOUNCE] May 18th -- Quentin Hartman, An Introduction to Lua
Anyone up for minor and related discussion on-list (IT Pro Forum or euglug), since I won't be able to make this talk (or other 2nd-tuesday eves in general)... ? I am about to do my first arduino projects, and while my ears perked up at this announcement's mention of embedded device scripting, Lua's requirements appear beyond the scope of the arduino platform: http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2008-10/msg00420.html To address my initial goals, I have a variety of arduino goals in mind and would like to ensure that I find and use the most flexible and capable software for it, and am hoping to eventually interface some other software toolchains like JACK (the multimedia daemon). Feedback [sic] ? Thanks for doing this and other talks, Hal Quentin others! Ben On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Hal Pomeranz h...@deer-run.com wrote: [Looking forward to this talk...] An Introduction to Lua, Quentin Hartman 6:30pm Tuesday, May 18th Eugene City Brewery (downstairs) Lua has become the choice for lightweight scripting systems embedded within applications as well as devices. Learn about Lua's design, where it has been used, and ways you might want to incorporate it into your own projects. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] [ITPRO-ANNOUNCE] May 18th -- Quentin Hartman, An Introduction to Lua
Well at least for the list archive, eLua's newer user labs wiki lists some of the nice boards and dev kits which *are* supported: http://wiki.eluaproject.net/Boards Nice stuff! cheerio, Ben PS - FWIW, eLuaMIDI is great news for some of my project goals, and I will be considering a more powerful platform with this http://wiki.eluaproject.net/eLuaMIDI other embedded-Lua project examples at http://wiki.eluaproject.net/Projects On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone up for minor and related discussion on-list (IT Pro Forum or euglug), since I won't be able to make this talk (or other 2nd-tuesday eves in general)... ? I am about to do my first arduino projects, and while my ears perked up at this announcement's mention of embedded device scripting, Lua's requirements appear beyond the scope of the arduino platform: http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2008-10/msg00420.html To address my initial goals, I have a variety of arduino goals in mind and would like to ensure that I find and use the most flexible and capable software for it, and am hoping to eventually interface some other software toolchains like JACK (the multimedia daemon). Feedback [sic] ? Thanks for doing this and other talks, Hal Quentin others! Ben On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Hal Pomeranz h...@deer-run.com wrote: [Looking forward to this talk...] An Introduction to Lua, Quentin Hartman 6:30pm Tuesday, May 18th Eugene City Brewery (downstairs) Lua has become the choice for lightweight scripting systems embedded within applications as well as devices. Learn about Lua's design, where it has been used, and ways you might want to incorporate it into your own projects. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: local domain host
Are you in fact looking for a physically local server or hosting service? ... or just on the hunt for your own personal localhost [sic] ? :) If you want the cheap-cheap, either make a friend who has servers and arrange for them to owe you a favor, or go with the Amazon service or a similar cheap run-of-the-mill webhost. If you're asking which cheap/low-end virtual-hosting services we've had good or bad luck with, I'm sure there is a whole thread or two in the archives you might enjoy. Do you need FTP, or just to host some pages which you could copy-and-paste? You might consider Google Pages or even Google Sites. They offer lots for free, and you get some extra services when you pay (I think $50/yr), including postini and more, plus support ;) Ben On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:56 PM, R. Bryan Kane r.bryan.k...@gmail.comwrote: A cheap one I like (though not super speedy for something memory-heavy like Drupal) is www.NearlyFreeSpeech.net. I like their billing model: pay-only-for-what-you-use. Bryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Alan Crandall alan...@comcast.net wrote: I am thinking about starting a business and will need a good local domain host any suggestions ? thanks ! ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] local domain hosts
By local, do you mean to have physical access to the server, or do you mean to have it on high availability to your business location? Is this for a simple website or a barrel-full of services? If you need support staff and a professional environment, you options are fairly limited, but if you're just looking for rackspace + bandwidth I'm sure you can find more options if you poke around. W.net still handles yournix AFAIK, and you might ask around the IT Pro Forum and Modern WebDev Group also, or even put something up on the bulletin board in Deschutes Bldg on UO, or in other sciences there. Is Corvallis too far? I think there are numerous options around, on the small scale, which would probably offer less staffing less and environmental assurances, but which might serve well Hal? Possibly your planned expenditure on the server would define that for you :) Ben On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Alan Crandall alan...@comcast.net wrote: I am thinking about starting a business and will need a good local domain host any suggestions ? thanks ! ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW
Wow, dual-core N330, 8GB max RAM, and Ion graphics. Is this the first netbook with such specs? I've been waiting to see dual-core portable atoms... As to WoW, it would of course be *much* crappier than any C2D-class machine, right?? (although it might approach playable, relative to older netbooks) IANAW (wow'er)... Ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Michael Miller mike.mikemil...@gmail.comwrote: ASUS just released a new Eee PC (Seashell 1201N) it has a 12.1 screen. http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1201N-PU17-BK-12-1-Inch-Black-Netbook/dp/B002ZLOR56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1262017829sr=8-1 I would think he would be able to play WOW. He might try to hook up the HDMI to a 46 LCD TV after being frustrated with the small screen size. -Miller On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM, James Kaplan kg7fu97...@gmail.com wrote: My 14 yo son is interested to know facts experiences using netbooks with World of Warcraft. --Kaplan ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW
Have you used or compared the NVidia Ion chipset in particular?? (I have not done so in detail, but it sounds like a far cry from the prior crap) On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: How about forgo the hardware limitations and buy a laptop? For the same amount of money you'll shell-out for a netbook capable of rendering WoW, you'd be able to buy a laptop far superior in specs (bigger hd, more ram, better video capabilities, more viewable space, and an optical drive). Now if we were talking about a $200 netbook capable of playing WoW worth a damn, I would say go for it. Unfortunately, I have only this to say about netbooks... the technology isn't there yet. -E -Original Message- From: Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 11:19 am Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW Wow, dual-core N330, 8GB max RAM, and Ion graphics. Is this the first netbook with such specs? I've been waiting to see dual-core portable atoms... As to WoW, it would of course be *much* crappier than any C2D-class machine, right?? (although it might approach playable, relative to older netbooks) IANAW (wow'er)... Ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Michael Miller mike.mikemil...@gmail.com wrote: ASUS just released a new Eee PC (Seashell 1201N) it has a 12.1 screen. http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1201N-PU17-BK-12-1-Inch-Black-Netbook/dp/B002ZLOR56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1262017829sr=8-1 I would think he would be able to play WOW. He might try to hook up the HDMI to a 46 LCD TV after being frustrated with the small screen size. -Miller On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM, James Kaplan kg7fu97...@gmail.com wrote: My 14 yo son is interested to know facts experiences using netbooks with World of Warcraft. --Kaplan ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW
Here's WoW on an Acer Aspire One A150, over a year old tho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOWjfAHoxbI another similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWqZGnrc8Zs forum discussion: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065198772sid=1 I have not come across anything Ion-specific though but in the forum some folks claim framerates of 10fps, which seems pretty unusable (HCI standards I learned in college suggest we need machine responses in less than 1/10 second to be happy) but than a second gig of RAM made playability much better (for the earlier generations of netbooks). So with Ion graphics and 2GB RAM, I suspect that basic playability would be good (except that many wow'ers have high standards, so ymmv!). It's pretty well-known that you can get a lot more horsepower in the $300-$500 lapto-not-netbook range... any other reasons, than being on the cheap, why you want a netbook in particular? So the kids' poor little back doesn't give out hauling the thing around?? :) ciao, Ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Have you used or compared the NVidia Ion chipset in particular?? (I have not done so in detail, but it sounds like a far cry from the prior crap) On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: How about forgo the hardware limitations and buy a laptop? For the same amount of money you'll shell-out for a netbook capable of rendering WoW, you'd be able to buy a laptop far superior in specs (bigger hd, more ram, better video capabilities, more viewable space, and an optical drive). Now if we were talking about a $200 netbook capable of playing WoW worth a damn, I would say go for it. Unfortunately, I have only this to say about netbooks... the technology isn't there yet. -E -Original Message- From: Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 11:19 am Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW Wow, dual-core N330, 8GB max RAM, and Ion graphics. Is this the first netbook with such specs? I've been waiting to see dual-core portable atoms... As to WoW, it would of course be *much* crappier than any C2D-class machine, right?? (although it might approach playable, relative to older netbooks) IANAW (wow'er)... Ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Michael Miller mike.mikemil...@gmail.com wrote: ASUS just released a new Eee PC (Seashell 1201N) it has a 12.1 screen. http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1201N-PU17-BK-12-1-Inch-Black-Netbook/dp/B002ZLOR56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1262017829sr=8-1 I would think he would be able to play WOW. He might try to hook up the HDMI to a 46 LCD TV after being frustrated with the small screen size. -Miller On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM, James Kaplan kg7fu97...@gmail.com wrote: My 14 yo son is interested to know facts experiences using netbooks with World of Warcraft. --Kaplan ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW
Sure, but it is sold out =P You can get a real C2D-class machine (not just Pentium) for about the same on sale, just search around. BUT, again, even though I expect a 14-yr-old boy is not petite, how do you amortize the costs of lugging around a 6-pound machine...?? Also! While the machine you posted is 64-bit, it does *not* support hardware-assisted virtualization, which I'm pretty sure the N330 Atom does(!). This can be an issue... watch out for such details as comparable machines without those limitations can be found. I've noticed that not many netbooks come loaded with much RAM, while many of the lower-end laptops now do... so... OP asked about WoW, I may be getting off-topic a bit :) But these things may affect the potential resale value, or repurposing potential of a machine a couple-few years down the road. Ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: No I have not but here is an ASUS laptop with more ram, a faster processor, more viewable space, a bigger hard drive, an optical drive, and all for the same amount of money. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220663 -Original Message- From: Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 11:39 am Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW Have you used or compared the NVidia Ion chipset in particular?? (I have not done so in detail, but it sounds like a far cry from the prior crap) On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: How about forgo the hardware limitations and buy a laptop? For the same amount of money you'll shell-out for a netbook capable of rendering WoW, you'd be able to buy a laptop far superior in specs (bigger hd, more ram, better video capabilities, more viewable space, and an optical drive). Now if we were talking about a $200 netbook capable of playing WoW worth a damn, I would say go for it. Unfortunately, I have only this to say about netbooks... the technology isn't there yet. -E -Original Message- From: Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 11:19 am Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW Wow, dual-core N330, 8GB max RAM, and Ion graphics. Is this the first netbook with such specs? I've been waiting to see dual-core portable atoms... As to WoW, it would of course be *much* crappier than any C2D-class machine, right?? (although it might approach playable, relative to older netbooks) IANAW (wow'er)... Ben On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Michael Miller mike.mikemil...@gmail.com wrote: ASUS just released a new Eee PC (Seashell 1201N) it has a 12.1 screen. http://www.amazon.com/Seashell-1201N-PU17-BK-12-1-Inch-Black-Netbook/dp/B002ZLOR56/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1262017829sr=8-1 I would think he would be able to play WOW. He might try to hook up the HDMI to a 46 LCD TV after being frustrated with the small screen size. -Miller On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM, James Kaplan kg7fu97...@gmail.com wrote: My 14 yo son is interested to know facts experiences using netbooks with World of Warcraft. --Kaplan ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW
Wow, really? That's not cool at all. It is very hard to take to a friend's house. I agree on the reasons presented, including Alan's of course, but that is just NOT cool for a 14 year old, I'm afraid. I can't imagine a tower seeming like anything more than an anchor. If I may take James on his word, possibly disposable is a stated goal. Play along, here, huh?? Can any of you imagine how disappointed you'd be, if already shopping for a cool small portable, then some wise old fart decides a bulky box is better? How is that better. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I would not recommend a gift that would not be enjoyed. But hey, what do I know? Not much. I'm wrong a lot, both in thinking and action. Just remember, this thread is not trying to find the best purchasing decision for a library. It is for a teenager. Mobile lifestyle? Welcome to the NEXT decade, folks. Sorry to be a downer =P Ben PS - OTOH, I actually bought a tower recently, having thought they were completely outmoded. But, I haven't taken it anywhere, and it hasn't won me any cool points... it does compute, it is expandable, and on and on... it will also take up more room in the landfill, on day, but it will prolly stay out of the landfill longer. If there was an ideal computer, it'd probably be the only computer available. On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:58 PM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: Well in that case, I would say buy a desktop. He'll get way more out of the machine, it would be significantly more upgradable, and it drops his chances of getting rolled for his netbook down to 0. Without a hardware budget, practicality and safety of one's hardware become way more important than it's coolness, and portability. -E -Original Message- From: James Kaplan kg7fu97...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] netbook + WoW Indeed. The goal is cheap and possibly disposable..remember we're talking about a 14 year old with no hardware budget to call his own. erock23...@aol.com wrote: How about forgo the hardware limitations and buy a laptop? For the same amount of money you'll shell-out for a netbook capable of rendering WoW, you'd be able to buy a laptop far superior in specs (bigger hd, more ram, better video capabilities, more viewable space, and an optical drive). Now if we were talking about a $200 netbook capable of playing WoW worth a damn, I would say go for it. Unfortunately, I have only this to say about netbooks... the technology isn't there yet. -E ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: OpenType .otf Fonts - Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS!
Great summary, Harold, and since we're not a publishing-specific group, can you explain what qualifies as serious publishing? Are you talking about color separations, file formats beyond postscript, or what? :) Thanks much, filing this one for the record! Ben On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Harald Sundt h_su...@efn.org wrote: Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS! • You can check each font in Font Book. Highlight a font and hit command-i. This will display info on the font. • never mix TT and Type 1 fonts • All are” cross platform, except scripts like Arabic and Hindi, where Windows and Mac use different rendering technologies. • True Type - Looks good on OS X and Windows. • Never mix TT and Type 1 fonts - the math can cause imagesetters to go into cardiac arrest. • If not designed for Clear Type on Windows may be a bit blocky when Clear Type is turned on. • Virtually all the decent OTF fonts are exorbitant, and companies are reluctant to design for OTF • OpenOffice.org is pretty much a typesetting disaster to begin with. • You can't do serious publishing with Open Office or Neo-Office - you need Quark or InDesign (you'll get a bunch of Open Type fonts if you buy InDesign anyway; I'm not sure about Quark). You can get away with Illustrator and/or Photoshop. • If you are doing serious publishing - stick to your Mac - even an old Mac. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: OpenType .otf Fonts - Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS!
[OT oops :] Google it, http://webspace.webring.com/people/gj/jlinwood/quaterma.htm only one hit on the quoted quote... you'll get lucky. ;) Does this pertain to Avatar??? (the new movie) On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Harald Sundt h_su...@efn.org wrote: On 12/21/09 5:06 PM, Allen Brown wrote: Now hold on there a second. You can't drop a quote like that into your sig without saying who the quote comes from! quote: Dr. Bernard Quatermass of the The British Experimental Rocket Group The BBC TV serial miniseries version of Quatermass and the Pit 1957. -- “the ancient destructive urges in, us, that grow more deadly as our populations approach in size and complexity those of ancient Mars. Every war crisis, witch-hunt, race riot and purge…is a reminder and warning. We are the Martians. If we cannot control the inheritance within us…this will be their second dead planet!” ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: OpenType .otf Fonts - Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS!
Thanks Paul, I again had the serious impression that some industry snobbery (er, self-interest) might be generating that phrase serious publishing. Hopefully most of you can remember the days before Linux or other FOSS was used: to make a blockbuster movie to run a mainstream cellphone or handheld in the firmware of many embedded devices ...and so forth. So, to be clear, the phrase or intent of the word serious in particular (in pejorative context) indicates impending extinction of the speaker, or their attitude anyway, if we're aware of free market competition and also believe that there will be a tomorrow. Harold, I thought you wrote that... still good info, and currently still true if you want to bring a project into *most* commercial print shops (or else you'd be paying them to convert it from your format since that's prolly all they know how to handle directly very well). Hope I'm not butting in too much on this topic, I am personally more interested in typesetting as it relates to CNC; print is dead. Mwa haw haw... :) Ben On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:31 PM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Harald Sundt h_su...@efn.org wrote: Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS! • You can't do serious publishing with Open Office or Neo-Office - you need Quark or InDesign (you'll get a bunch of Open Type fonts if you buy InDesign anyway; I'm not sure about Quark). You can get away with Illustrator and/or Photoshop. I was a typographer for some 20 years before switching careers to practice law. Never lost my interest. In choosing publishing software, much depends on the kind and quality of publications you're aimed at presenting. Regardless of the software chosen, there's a learning curve. Some more alternatives you might check. -- WordPerfect X4. Much better typesetting quality than OOo or Word, although still not as powerful for typography as a full blown DTP system. But comes with an excellent collection of ~ 1,000 high quality fonts, both in Type I and TTF. Windows only. Can be obtained on eBay for around $35. More than worth it it for the fonts alone. Generally makes an excellent text input program for a DTP. -- Scribus. The premier free DTP for Linux/Unix. Not yet in the class of Adobe and Quark's high end offerings, but rather startlingly powerful. http://www.scribus.net/. And if you've got the need for the high end proprietary offerings, you've got the money to hire 20 people to run the software. Should be in MacPorts and there is a Windows port as well. -- LaTeX. Desktop typesetting systems don't come more powerful than TeX and LaTex is its most popular incarnation. http://www.latex-project.org/. Excellent for journal articles, technical reports, books, and slide presentations, particularly because you can wrestle with the typography at the markup level. Old and mature. Requires PostScript fonts. Free, supported on Linux/Unix/OS X/Windows. -- The Gimp (Gnu Image Manipulation Program). Professional grade open source image manipulation tools. http://www.gimp.org/. Free, supported on Linux/Unix/OS X/Windows. -- Inkscape. Excellent SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) editor. http://www.inkscape.org/. SVG images are quickly becoming mission-critical in web publishing because of the mobile device onslaught and the need to scale images for a wider variety of screen resolutions and sizes. Free, supported on Linux/Unix/OS X/Windows. -- ImageMagick. Professional-grade raster (bitmap) image editor. http://www.imagemagick.org/. Notably, can output more than 100 raster formats. Command line tools, but GUIs for them are available. Free, supported on Linux/Unix/OS X/Windows. There are still more related open source projects. Bottom line though: If you want to walk into someone else's shop and work for them, you'll probably need to be competent with the Adobe or Quark DTP offerings. But if you are setting up your own shop, I'd take a very hard look at what the free and open source software community has to offer. The proprietary software industry depends on forcing you to upgrade periodically. That's inevitable with revenues derived from license sales. Adobe and Quark's software is very expensive and not just for the initial purchase. It's an ongoing expense, not only for the license acquisition cost but also for the productivity hit in the learning curve for upgraded versions. It's been many years since I dropped my partnership in a couple of print shops and switched careers. But if I were setting up a typesetting service today, it would take a real show-stopper to persuade me to go the proprietary software route. YMMV. Best regards, Paul -- Universal Interoperability Council http:www.universal-interop-council.org ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Codec?
It is using Flash (I can see it with Flash 9), but it loads some BimVid 4.2.6 player within that, which could have platform- or browser-dependent coding in it I suppose... I did not tear it apart, but just right-clicked on the video. We might have to know more about what you have (or what does work), to figure out what is missing tho... Ben PS - LOL, looks like BimVid means it was encoded using Linux! http://www.forbidden.co.uk/solutions/repurposing/ On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Wes Morgan morg...@efn.org wrote: Can someone tell me what I am missing that I cannot get video's to play on this web site? Wes http://www.kgw.com/news/Three-children-hit-by-car-in-Tualatin-crosswalk-79818067.html ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: OpenType .otf Fonts - Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS!
No offense, Alan, of course this was between the lines of your question :) Sigh, in this age of remixing/freemixing... change a few words, add a break beat, and voilà! What do you think about some sort of hyper-intelligent copy-paste code which acts like big brother for this issue? My hardest censorship lesson was to leave ads in place when I had the option to filter them out for a largish private party... well the bandwidth was provided by an EFF founder, I got the smack-down and learned an important lesson! =O You might just get what you ask for, but you may have to ask for it. -B. Barrett, 2009 (oddly, when I google that to make sure no-one else had the same words, I get an Eric Raymond doc, lol) On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: Yes, I figured I could track it down with google. But I would never quote something like that without giving attribution. Everybody should be giving credit when borrowing somebody's lines. This is not the responsibility of the reader. Think copyright. -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ If people sat outside and looked at the stars each night, I'll bet they'd live a lot differently. --- Bill Watterson [OT oops :] Google it, http://webspace.webring.com/people/gj/jlinwood/quaterma.htm only one hit on the quoted quote... you'll get lucky. ;) Does this pertain to Avatar??? (the new movie) On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Harald Sundt h_su...@efn.org wrote: On 12/21/09 5:06 PM, Allen Brown wrote: Now hold on there a second. You can't drop a quote like that into your sig without saying who the quote comes from! quote: Dr. Bernard Quatermass of the The British Experimental Rocket Group The BBC TV serial miniseries version of Quatermass and the Pit 1957. -- “the ancient destructive urges in, us, that grow more deadly as our populations approach in size and complexity those of ancient Mars. Every war crisis, witch-hunt, race riot and purge…is a reminder and warning. We are the Martians. If we cannot control the inheritance within us…this will be their second dead planet!” ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: OpenType .otf Fonts - Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS!
Great perspective! I think the proprietary realm is in great part moving toward the service-oriented model to keep up... maybe as a last gulp of air for most of them, since Google has rocking free services (and IMO does make their pay services worthwhile where applicable). To be clear, Google Apps are to be considered proprietary also, since I cannot seem to deploy them on my own server... and any application-service provider seems to need to provide some amount of interaction API's to keep pace with web 2.0^D^D^D3.14159... I do think licensing software will be around for a long time though, on the high-end. Ben On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:07 PM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Paul, I again had the serious impression that some industry snobbery (er, self-interest) might be generating that phrase serious publishing. There's a human tendency to think that the way things are done now is how things will be done in the future. I'll never forget a passage in the International Typographical Union's 1952 edition of Lessons in Printing, a seven-volume set of lessons that had to be completed by all apprentices. The introduction to first volume, Lessons in Trade Unionism, extolled the benefits of becoming a typographer. One of the claimed benefits was that the typography trade would never be obsoleted because human languages were too complex to be susceptible to automation. Thirty years later, the ITU --- at the time the oldest trade union in the U.S. --- dissolved because its membership had plummeted, almost entirely attributable to automation. Most of its remaining membership folded into the Communications Workers of America, a union with a focus on digital information. Which was but the latest chapter in a long history of word processing technological change dating to the birth of symbolism itself in pre-history. I see in some ways a similar technological revolution evolving with software business models. The proprietary software business model is in decline, in no small part because it has a fundamental conflict with the easy and inexpensive copying and dissemination of bits. Free and open source software business models that embrace that fundamental trait of bits are on the rise. Lots of people out there still stuck on proprietary software who haven't noticed that the earth is moving beneath their desktops. :-) Best regards, Paul -- Universal Interoperability Council http:www.universal-interop-council.org ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: OpenType .otf Fonts - Rules I learned by asking about Cross-Platform Font Use - THANK FOLKS!
It was burning man... I thought they would... but in that instance, censorship was a no-no. At the time, I didn't think of it as censorship — I thought it was helpful =/ As for TV, Hulu.com offers most shows with far fewer commercials than TV, oddly even many premium channel's shows. Thanks :) I was deeply surprised, almost disturbed, that word-wise, I'm as __ (annoying?!) as ESR. Ben On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: Did the largish private party want this? I certainly would! I stopped watching TV because of too many ads... in the 60s! It's gotten hugely worse since then from what I've heard. BTW the quote you provided I would never complain about. It is the sort of quote which has probably been invented afresh thousands of times. -- Allen Brown http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ If you're in trouble, or hurt or need - go to the poor people. They're the only ones that'll help - the only ones. --- John Steinbeck No offense, Alan, of course this was between the lines of your question :) Sigh, in this age of remixing/freemixing... change a few words, add a break beat, and voilà! What do you think about some sort of hyper-intelligent copy-paste code which acts like big brother for this issue? My hardest censorship lesson was to leave ads in place when I had the option to filter them out for a largish private party... well the bandwidth was provided by an EFF founder, I got the smack-down and learned an important lesson! =O You might just get what you ask for, but you may have to ask for it. -B. Barrett, 2009 (oddly, when I google that to make sure no-one else had the same words, I get an Eric Raymond doc, lol) On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: Yes, I figured I could track it down with google. But I would never quote something like that without giving attribution. Everybody should be giving credit when borrowing somebody's lines. This is not the responsibility of the reader. Think copyright. -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ If people sat outside and looked at the stars each night, I'll bet they'd live a lot differently. --- Bill Watterson [OT oops :] Google it, http://webspace.webring.com/people/gj/jlinwood/quaterma.htm only one hit on the quoted quote... you'll get lucky. ;) Does this pertain to Avatar??? (the new movie) On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Harald Sundt h_su...@efn.org wrote: On 12/21/09 5:06 PM, Allen Brown wrote: Now hold on there a second. You can't drop a quote like that into your sig without saying who the quote comes from! quote: Dr. Bernard Quatermass of the The British Experimental Rocket Group The BBC TV serial miniseries version of Quatermass and the Pit 1957. -- “the ancient destructive urges in, us, that grow more deadly as our populations approach in size and complexity those of ancient Mars. Every war crisis, witch-hunt, race riot and purge…is a reminder and warning. We are the Martians. If we cannot control the inheritance within us…this will be their second dead planet!” ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] OpenType .otf fonts: I use Open Office on my Linux and Windows Xp partitions on my laptop and Neo Office on my Mac
Warning lights go off whenever I hear, that is the *only* technology for serious XYZ'ing... sounds like you've talked to someone who is zealous or has industry-placed blinders, or maybe both :) Granted, I'm no font expert, so it is easy for me to make such claims =P However, on my Mac, .ttf files are recognized as Windows fonts, LOL! Ben PS - The font suitcase is what most of my OS X fonts are packaged as, FWIW. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueType also, if you have not already; and... you may like http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ ;) On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Harald Sundt h_su...@efn.org wrote: OpenType .otf fonts: I use Open Office on my Linux and Windows Xp partitions on my laptop and Neo Office on my Mac I am thinking about tracking down OpenType fonts because they are cross-platform and I am told they are the only thing for serious publishing. I take it my Mac is full of Apple's TrueType and Adobe's Type 1 fonts. Should I track down the meat and potatoes fonts in OpenType format? OTF is still young technology, having achieved ISO/IEC standardization only a couple of years ago. Support for it in applications is spotty at best. I suggest investigating whether the specific applications you wish to use support its advanced typographical features. (E.g., OpenOffice.org is pretty much a typesetting disaster to begin with.) If not, I doubt you'll see any substantial improvement over TTF and Type 1. Promising technology, but it will take time for it to be widely implemented. Wikipedia has a fairly good article about OTF including its state of implementation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Type. Probably helpful to read before you start work with a search engine. Best regards, Paul ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] I think I'll go back to Fedora 11...what about Tux on Ice?
If this terminal (gnome-terminal) always renders incorrectly under normal use, have you tried starting it via sudo or as root? I am suspicious that the permissions are incorrect for only some portion of your driver, somehow... have you launched into X *as* root, and tried to reproduce the problems under different conditions? Oddly, my kitchen's cold water is still seized up, but the cold water tap in the bathroom (further along my plumbing) works fine... and thankfully, hot works on both. So I've been trying to keep the hot pipes hot to give some ambient heat to the frozen pipes... gah. Regards, Ben On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:44 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: That's right just a white rectangle, anchored to the upper left of the desktop for the terminal. I can see that the mouse cursor changes to a text cursor, over the input field, in password the window associated with the update manager; that window is center screen on the desktop, but I haven't played much with anything, and I'm ready to move back to FC 11. As I said, in another post, removing the nVidia driver doesn't fix the problem. ...a couple of days without running water and it's back to the stone age. Thankfully the electricity is still on. Brian On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 15:58 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: And I suspect that you don't get any window-manager handle cues around the edge of that blank area, either? (and furthermore, that mouse-selecting/highlighting any text typed into the terminal does not make it visible?) Compared to the variety of X oddness I've seen, I am surprised that the menu stays visible at the top of it... does that only come above the blank region when you activate the screenshot? Do you have any window-relocation hotkeys setup? (some WM configs allow a key combination with mouse drag to move a window instead of giving it input) Does that have any effect? Interesting... but also fighting some iced-up water lines here. =/ Ben On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I include a screenshot. I note that the window is always anchored to the upper left location. I think I'll give up on this and go back to Fedora 11, as I said. Brian On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:27 -0800, Michael Miller wrote: Press the print screen key and that should pop up a window for you to save the image. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I might be able to...I'll admit I'm so lame, with linux, I don't even know how...give me till the weekend to sort things out. I'm changing jobs and I don't want to loose focus on the big picture. Brian On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 15:02 -0800, Michael Miller wrote: Can you take a screenshot? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: It's not that bad...everything is working in terms of the dual displays and OpenGL functionality BUT, like I said, open a terminal and it's window is all white. It's working, because I can type in a command and it'll execute; I just can't see what I'm typing. There are other little anomalies in opening a window. Such as the update window puts up a window to ask for your password. That's blank also, but I can see the mouse cursor change were the password field is. Like I said, I had this all working under Fedora Core 11, I just ran into the problem of using suspend...that's another issue entirely. I don't need to suspend the system, but I would like to use dual monitors. I've got an another system with an EN8400GS card waiting for this issue to be resolved. If FC 11 will do it, so be it... Ubuntu has ease of use in a lot of areas. I was hoping to use just one distro or the the other. Brian On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 12:49 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Is this related to your woes? CANTFIX :( http://bugs.gentoo.org/111833 I wanted to make sure you've come across http://lunapark6.com/dual-head-configuration-with-different-resolutions-per-screen-linux.html or similar google results... that is, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7938.html or even http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75149.html
Re: [Eug-lug] I think I'll go back to Fedora 11...what about Tux on Ice?
And I suspect that you don't get any window-manager handle cues around the edge of that blank area, either? (and furthermore, that mouse-selecting/highlighting any text typed into the terminal does not make it visible?) Compared to the variety of X oddness I've seen, I am surprised that the menu stays visible at the top of it... does that only come above the blank region when you activate the screenshot? Do you have any window-relocation hotkeys setup? (some WM configs allow a key combination with mouse drag to move a window instead of giving it input) Does that have any effect? Interesting... but also fighting some iced-up water lines here. =/ Ben On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I include a screenshot. I note that the window is always anchored to the upper left location. I think I'll give up on this and go back to Fedora 11, as I said. Brian On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:27 -0800, Michael Miller wrote: Press the print screen key and that should pop up a window for you to save the image. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I might be able to...I'll admit I'm so lame, with linux, I don't even know how...give me till the weekend to sort things out. I'm changing jobs and I don't want to loose focus on the big picture. Brian On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 15:02 -0800, Michael Miller wrote: Can you take a screenshot? On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:07 PM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: It's not that bad...everything is working in terms of the dual displays and OpenGL functionality BUT, like I said, open a terminal and it's window is all white. It's working, because I can type in a command and it'll execute; I just can't see what I'm typing. There are other little anomalies in opening a window. Such as the update window puts up a window to ask for your password. That's blank also, but I can see the mouse cursor change were the password field is. Like I said, I had this all working under Fedora Core 11, I just ran into the problem of using suspend...that's another issue entirely. I don't need to suspend the system, but I would like to use dual monitors. I've got an another system with an EN8400GS card waiting for this issue to be resolved. If FC 11 will do it, so be it... Ubuntu has ease of use in a lot of areas. I was hoping to use just one distro or the the other. Brian On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 12:49 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: Is this related to your woes? CANTFIX :( http://bugs.gentoo.org/111833 I wanted to make sure you've come across http://lunapark6.com/dual-head-configuration-with-different-resolutions-per-screen-linux.html or similar google results... that is, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7938.html or even http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75149.html (but the glawing .com site they mention does not seem to have the topic any more) On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: No, I like Ubuntu...I'm going to do a fresh install and see if it's only the Twinview feature. maybe I'll epoxy over the VGA so I'll stop playing with dual monitors. I don't really need it...like the mountain...it's just there. On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 11:42 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: No likey Ubuntu? Sorry, I don't [yet] have access to any recent nvidia dual-display hardware (but actually, expect to soon, under ubuntu studio, a 9500gt whee)... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I got a much more stable nVidia driver experience on Fedora 11, with the official nVidia driver. I had it all working under FC 11 then I blew-up my system playing with suspend / hibernate. I read that Tux on Ice allows the user to suspend. Brian ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http
Re: [Eug-lug] I think I'll go back to Fedora 11...what about Tux on Ice?
No likey Ubuntu? Sorry, I don't [yet] have access to any recent nvidia dual-display hardware (but actually, expect to soon, under ubuntu studio, a 9500gt whee)... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I got a much more stable nVidia driver experience on Fedora 11, with the official nVidia driver. I had it all working under FC 11 then I blew-up my system playing with suspend / hibernate. I read that Tux on Ice allows the user to suspend. Brian ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] I think I'll go back to Fedora 11...what about Tux on Ice?
Is this related to your woes? CANTFIX :( http://bugs.gentoo.org/111833 I wanted to make sure you've come across http://lunapark6.com/dual-head-configuration-with-different-resolutions-per-screen-linux.html or similar google results... that is, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7938.html or even http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75149.html (but the glawing .com site they mention does not seem to have the topic any more) On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: No, I like Ubuntu...I'm going to do a fresh install and see if it's only the Twinview feature. maybe I'll epoxy over the VGA so I'll stop playing with dual monitors. I don't really need it...like the mountain...it's just there. On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 11:42 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: No likey Ubuntu? Sorry, I don't [yet] have access to any recent nvidia dual-display hardware (but actually, expect to soon, under ubuntu studio, a 9500gt whee)... On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:36 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I got a much more stable nVidia driver experience on Fedora 11, with the official nVidia driver. I had it all working under FC 11 then I blew-up my system playing with suspend / hibernate. I read that Tux on Ice allows the user to suspend. Brian ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Google Wave
From what I could see, the platform seems capable of a lot but they need a
lot of robots and widgets and such to be written around it. I like that
current trends are to at least have service API's, although it could get
confusing to normal users if there are a dozen or more audio and video
conferencing widgets all competing for attention, almost like trying to find
the best package for something in Linux/FOSS land :)
The map widget is nice enough, but I want a widget for the live/bing maps,
so I can arrange their birds-eye views next to google street views, etc.
Could be a good platform, tastes a little like a stock drupal :) The
config panel for it is a node just like everything is a node or whatever
their paradigm is
which has all its benefits of course, but leaves that aftertaste of
object-oriented-abuse =P
Ben
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM, battleshipterry
battleshipte...@gmail.comwrote:
Also has a strong Facebook smell, with the feature for web blogging. euglug
works similar with replying to each others emails for all to C.And Wave is
mobile friendly.I also requested a invite.
No privacy on the Google cloud though.Maybe they should call it
Hieroglyph,so when our current race ends.(As did the ancient Egyptians.)
and future cultures look back they could just look at the Google cloud to
learn all about Us. Creepy :{ Bet they have a hard time breaking the text
ting code LOL.
Jimmy Hendrix wrote:
Yeah, I got an invite a few days back. I am still figuring it out,
but James' description sounds about right. Only thing I'll add is
that the shared conversations can be text, audio, images, videos, etc.
And the conversations don't have to happen in real time, but they can
too.
It sounds pretty cool, except I have no clue what I will actually use it
for.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM, battleshipterry
battleshipte...@gmail.com wrote:
I see Wave is like a live shared message board.Being a fellow ham radio
operator,it is like, like a net session on ham radio,but on
internet.Where
Talk is like a IP phone service.
James Kaplan wrote:
can someone send me an invite for google wave?
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Re: [Eug-lug] OS X FS
As NeoOffice is to OpenOffice, to Seashore is to the Gimp :) Both are Aqua builds... that is, using the native windowing environment in OS X, and both having somewhat limited features relative to their fullblown counterparts. They both include the most common tools, of course, and run much faster and more slick this way. There is also Camino, which is an Aqua browser based on Moz/FF, but IIRC it does not use XUL and has its own set of plugins. Among others... check out opensourcemac.org as just one launchpad. The ports system will probably be what you really want! Ben On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris LeBlanc leblanc...@gmail.com wrote: I have found NeoOffice a great port of OO.org to native OS X. As with others, I have found that once Xcode is installed, you have access to a wide variety of tools and ports of Open Source software. Chris ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Google vaporware announcement
Those are games, huh? Sorry :) Well I read the announcement there, and I thought this part was a little silly: Obviously, this Chrome OS will be lightweight and fast just like the browser itself. But also just like the browser, it will be open-sourced. Think Microsoft will be open-sourcing Windows anytime soon? Now this makes pertinent discussion for our group, but I think they're over-playing the open source card. There are likely to be a lot of parts which are NOT open source, maybe tucked into browser plugins or kernel modules. To make the comparison question here is off-base: when will google open-source their search engine algorithms???! Microsoft would have too much egg on face, and even more abuse while google would be giving away some of their top science :) I'm very curious to see what they come up with for a new windowing system. X windows is even more archaic than well you know. Also very curious to see how long until VNC can play nicely with their Chromeishness, and how well it can be remotely tunneled: Hey I've got remote Chrome via SSH! How long until we can hear that? ;) Desktop or per-window, I'm supposing it will play nice with Android too (bookmarks by bluetooth and call-switching from cell to google voice?). Sounds fun! Ben On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:25 AM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: If I can't play Stalker or UT2k4 on it...I don't want it. -E -Original Message- From: marbux mar...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2009 3:48 am Subject: [Eug-lug] Google vaporware announcement Interesting vaporware announcement by Google: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/07/google-drops-a-nuclear-bomb-on-microsoft-and-its-made-of-chrome/. Wow. So you know all those whispers about a Google desktop operating system that never seem to go away? You thought they might with the launch of Android, Google’s mobile OS. But they persisted. And for good reason, because it’s real. In the second half of 2010, Google plans to launch the Google Chrome OS, an operating system designed from the ground up to run the Chrome web browser on netbooks. “It’s our attempt to re-think what operating systems should be,” Google writes tonight on its blog. [more] Linux kernel, intended for x86 and ARM platforms, open source. Sounds like an interesting project. Don't miss the link to the Google blog. Best regards, Paul -- Universal Interoperability Council http:www.universal-interop-council.org ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug -- Finding the best videos just got easier. Try the NEW Truveo.comhttp://www.truveo.com/?ncid=emlweustruv0001 . ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Google vaporware announcement (Doors of Expression flavored ranting)
Thanks for catching me up, Larry =P I've read a few things and have my own take on it, most likely. I'm not signed up to be a Chrome OS dev or support engineer or anything! For those proprietary bits, I was thinking more about the fragments of the web which are harder to access without browser plugins, but also a little about the kernel module level which seems like a mixed blessing (not my area of course). It will be neat to see what sort of location-aware apps can arise with the combination of a netbook/laptop on chromeos and a phone on android (or possibly supporting apps for other phone/handheld platforms). Sounds like you're expecting content creators to make everything public domain, which sounds dreamy but unrealistic. As a budding content creator myself, I'm troubled about this on both digital and analog (er, steel) fronts... So back to tech, why so much google bashing lately? The benefits of AI seem so tongue-in-cheek, lately; when someone finally hands you a flying car will you go on and enjoy the ride, or protest it? So I'm saying that chrome os will make all the netbooks into flying cars or at least hoverboards, poetically, and politically, the tools of a tech-powered democrazy [sic] will be in the peoples' hands more than ever... because google can deliver linux like it has never been delivered. So, chromeos is gift horse? And age-old paradigm. How do we really want to deal with this (google), folks? We sure don't have to agree, but I'm hoping we can support an array of opinions here :) Cheerio, Ben PS - nobody seems to be ranting about the applied intelligence acting on your silly little packets before they even get to their destination anymore. Knowledge is known for example about social networking activity before the social networks even have their data, that is, in transit. The splinter in our eye? =P On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Ben Barrettstircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Those are games, huh? Sorry :) Well I read the announcement there, and I thought this part was a little silly: Obviously, this Chrome OS will be lightweight and fast just like the browser itself. But also just like the browser, it will be open-sourced. Think Microsoft will be open-sourcing Windows anytime soon? Now this makes pertinent discussion for our group, but I think they're over-playing the open source card. There are likely to be a lot of parts which are NOT open source, maybe tucked into browser plugins or kernel modules. To make the comparison question here is off-base: when will google open-source their search engine algorithms???! Microsoft would have too much egg on face, and even more abuse while google would be giving away some of their top science :) Ben, you've got to catch up to the times. The client OS will be open source (it's actually gentoo under the hood). All the proprietary bits will be hidden in the cloud. Also since this is google, they will use proprietary algorithms to examine everything you look at to better provide you with... Focused, Relevant, Advertising you want to see. It doesn't matter if the spoon is open source if the soup is full of gooey chunks of proprietary content. I'm very curious to see what they come up with for a new windowing system. X windows is even more archaic than well you know. Also very curious to see how long until VNC can play nicely with their Chromeishness, and how well it can be remotely tunneled: Hey I've got remote Chrome via SSH! How long until we can hear that? ;) Desktop or per-window, I'm supposing it will play nice with Android too (bookmarks by bluetooth and call-switching from cell to google voice?). completely unsubstantiated rumour has it that chromeos will be running a framebuffer with a specialized version of XMonad. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Google vaporware announcement (Doors of Expression flavored ranting)
So let me ask this way: how can we (if we want to), overcome our gag reflex at the branding, if indeed there are good and useful tools within? As activists of appropriate technology, if this contains any of it, we could discuss the pro's and con's of the contents, beyond the branding. Google keeps eating up such a variety of technology companies, there are volumes of discussion to be had on the synergy they are likely to achieve with what they've got. It strikes me a little bit like when CPU's started to be engineered by other CPU's, instead of by humans. When capabilities start growing that fast, everyone has reason to be a bit shifty ;) Will they in fact, own the desktop at such a point? ttfn, Ben On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM, erock23...@aol.com wrote: Indeed Larry. the thought of using a google-made OS, fills me with a revulsion I'd only experienced at the thought of having to use a Microsoft-made OS back when I was still a mac user. Google practically owns the internet, now they want my desktop too? I don't think so. -E -Original Message- From: Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2009 11:04 am Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Google vaporware announcement (Doors of Expression flavored ranting) Thanks for catching me up, Larry =P I've read a few things and have my own take on it, most likely. I'm not signed up to be a Chrome OS dev or support engineer or anything! For those proprietary bits, I was thinking more about the fragments of the web which are harder to access without browser plugins, but also a little about the kernel module level which seems like a mixed blessing (not my area of course). It will be neat to see what sort of location-aware apps can arise with the combination of a netbook/laptop on chromeos and a phone on android (or possibly supporting apps for other phone/handheld platforms). Sounds like you're expecting content creators to make everything public domain, which sounds dreamy but unrealistic. As a budding content creator myself, I'm troubled about this on both digital and analog (er, steel) fronts... So back to tech, why so much google bashing lately? The benefits of AI seem so tongue-in-cheek, lately; when someone finally hands you a flying car will you go on and enjoy the ride, or protest it? So I'm saying that chrome os will make all the netbooks into flying cars or at least hoverboards, poetically, and politically, the tools of a tech-powered democrazy [sic] will be in the peoples' hands more than ever... because google can deliver linux like it has never been delivered. So, chromeos is gift horse? And age-old paradigm. How do we really want to deal with this (google), folks? We sure don't have to agree, but I'm hoping we can support an array of opinions here :) Cheerio, Ben PS - nobody seems to be ranting about the applied intelligence acting on your silly little packets before they even get to their destination anymore. Knowledge is known for example about social networking activity before the social networks even have their data, that is, in transit. The splinter in our eye? =P On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Ben Barrettstircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Those are games, huh? Sorry :) Well I read the announcement there, and I thought this part was a little silly: Obviously, this Chrome OS will be lightweight and fast just like the browser itself. But also just like the browser, it will be open-sourced. Think Microsoft will be open-sourcing Windows anytime soon? Now this makes pertinent discussion for our group, but I think they're over-playing the open source card. There are likely to be a lot of parts which are NOT open source, maybe tucked into browser plugins or kernel modules. To make the comparison question here is off-base: when will google open-source their search engine algorithms???! Microsoft would have too much egg on face, and even more abuse while google would be giving away some of their top science :) Ben, you've got to catch up to the times. The client OS will be open source (it's actually gentoo under the hood). All the proprietary bits will be hidden in the cloud. Also since this is google, they will use proprietary algorithms to examine everything you look at to better provide you with... Focused, Relevant, Advertising you want to see. It doesn't matter if the spoon is open source if the soup is full of gooey chunks of proprietary content. I'm very curious to see what they come up with for a new windowing system. X windows is even more archaic than well you know. Also very curious to see how long until VNC can play nicely with their Chromeishness, and how well it can be remotely tunneled: Hey I've got remote Chrome via SSH! How long until we can hear
Re: [Eug-lug] Meeting netbool
I don't think you'll find any/many dual-core netbooks, all the ones I've seen use the 270 chip, which is hyperthreaded but single-core (don't be confused by the kernel's recognition of hyperthreading which will show cpu0 and cpu1). I got one of those MSI Wind Net-stations (the barebones desktop, ~$150 at newegg) and it is a dandy. Is there something in particular you need out of the graphics, which you're concerned about? I got some type of hardware acceleration out of the box, using the latest ubuntu 9.04 I had burned and installed. Looks good, I think I'm only driving 1280x1024 though. I do wish it had a second video-out. There are Atom board out there which take expansion, too :) But the MSI Wind desktop models (the *newer* one is dual-core, look carefully at the specs b/c they did make a 270-chipped model first, AFAICT) are pretty easy to setup and has been perfectly reliable (mine is in a filthy environment, but only for a few weeks so far). Like many laptops, the fan kicks as you actually use the CPU more, and I've read that some extra thermal paste done carefully (some mods include massive heatsinks too of course) can reduce this. The dual-core barebones model I got (cpu in place, didn't notice if it was socketed or soldered) even includes a wifi antennae. If they only supported 64-bit and 8GB RAM, eh? :) Best of luck, Ben PS - I am confused about your question. You seem to be questioning the vendors, but speak of quality control. I bought from NewEgg, but yes, also have experience shopping with the vendors you listed, and they're all about the same, although NewEgg and others seem more agile which only shows up when there are problems/confusions. If you watch the sales on dealnews or techbargains or whatever you will probably see it. What they call the Nettop 100 model seems to be the Atom 330 dual-core. Looks like the regular price is now $150 at newegg, I think I saw $143 on sale and the single-core earlier model is in the $120's now, on sale... with many of these places, be sure to compare the free-shipping items, if you haven't, since the shipping cost could exceed other price differences :) Not always of course! Hard drives are so cheap now, if you need a new drive don't forget to look at the larger sizes; the smaller ones are often more expensive lately, unless someone's dumping stock. Some kind of secret profit against those who do not evolve their system specs accordingly when they buy more systems or parts =/ On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Jim K 12 kj...@clearwire.net wrote: would anybody have a nettbook with intel graphics that they could bring tonight for a quic k demo. I am thinking of getting a cheap barebones msi system with an atom 330 dual prcoessor and and intel 950 GMA graqphics. While double checking the graphics I found several which might be better, though quality control is probably lacking. Does anyone have experience shopping with Systemmax (TigerDirect, CompUSA, Circuit City). If so what were the results. I know in my price range the quality will be on the low side. I want dual core, 1-2Gb ram and at least 100Gb SATA 7200rpm disk. I have a CD/DVD drive. It will be a Linux box so no need for a complete system with O/S. I have seen several Intel Atom 330 systems for around $200, and that is my target. I already have mouse, keyboard, crt, etc. I will upgrade to LCD screen when I have the money. Jim K Neil Parker wrote: So are we back at MrO's place this week? - Neil Parker ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Meeting netbook
Right on. What sort of apps do you run? Mine is not jerky, but xscreensaver has been the main 3D load =/ On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jim K 12 kj...@clearwire.net wrote: I am more concerned about the graphic display abilities based on the reviews I have read than the ability of the processor. I occasionally download short videos 2-30 minutes long. I was wondering how jerkiness of the display. Jim K Ben Barrett wrote: I don't think you'll find any/many dual-core netbooks, all the ones I've seen use the 270 chip, which is hyperthreaded but single-core (don't be confused by the kernel's recognition of hyperthreading which will show cpu0 and cpu1). I got one of those MSI Wind Net-stations (the barebones desktop, ~$150 at newegg) and it is a dandy. Is there something in particular you need out of the graphics, which you're concerned about? I got some type of hardware acceleration out of the box, using the latest ubuntu 9.04 I had burned and installed. Looks good, I think I'm only driving 1280x1024 though. I do wish it had a second video-out. There are Atom board out there which take expansion, too :) But the MSI Wind desktop models (the *newer* one is dual-core, look carefully at the specs b/c they did make a 270-chipped model first, AFAICT) are pretty easy to setup and has been perfectly reliable (mine is in a filthy environment, but only for a few weeks so far). Like many laptops, the fan kicks as you actually use the CPU more, and I've read that some extra thermal paste done carefully (some mods include massive heatsinks too of course) can reduce this. The dual-core barebones model I got (cpu in place, didn't notice if it was socketed or soldered) even includes a wifi antennae. If they only supported 64-bit and 8GB RAM, eh? :) Best of luck, Ben PS - I am confused about your question. You seem to be questioning the vendors, but speak of quality control. I bought from NewEgg, but yes, also have experience shopping with the vendors you listed, and they're all about the same, although NewEgg and others seem more agile which only shows up when there are problems/confusions. If you watch the sales on dealnews or techbargains or whatever you will probably see it. What they call the Nettop 100 model seems to be the Atom 330 dual-core. Looks like the regular price is now $150 at newegg, I think I saw $143 on sale and the single-core earlier model is in the $120's now, on sale... with many of these places, be sure to compare the free-shipping items, if you haven't, since the shipping cost could exceed other price differences :) Not always of course! Hard drives are so cheap now, if you need a new drive don't forget to look at the larger sizes; the smaller ones are often more expensive lately, unless someone's dumping stock. Some kind of secret profit against those who do not evolve their system specs accordingly when they buy more systems or parts =/ On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Jim K 12 kj...@clearwire.net mailto: kj...@clearwire.net wrote: would anybody have a nettbook with intel graphics that they could bring tonight for a quic k demo. I am thinking of getting a cheap barebones msi system with an atom 330 dual prcoessor and and intel 950 GMA graqphics. While double checking the graphics I found several which might be better, though quality control is probably lacking. Does anyone have experience shopping with Systemmax (TigerDirect, CompUSA, Circuit City). If so what were the results. I know in my price range the quality will be on the low side. I want dual core, 1-2Gb ram and at least 100Gb SATA 7200rpm disk. I have a CD/DVD drive. It will be a Linux box so no need for a complete system with O/S. I have seen several Intel Atom 330 systems for around $200, and that is my target. I already have mouse, keyboard, crt, etc. I will upgrade to LCD screen when I have the money. Jim K Neil Parker wrote: So are we back at MrO's place this week? - Neil Parker ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org mailto:euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org mailto:euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Looking for digi camera / webcam
Yes, they are used quite a bit for stop-motion development, among other things.For example, look at the Capture column of this support doc: http://www.boinx.com/istopmotion/support/inputdevices/ Not all that many have a Yes, but plenty do not sure if this is actually part of the PTP (picture transfer protocol), which apparently varies quite a bit. Is your project idea secret? Ben On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Matt Jarvis matt.jar...@kingrs.com wrote: Apparently this is a hard critter to track down... I am working on a project where I want to have a reasonably capable digital camera that will also function while tethered to a laptop. I believe this would in effect make it a 'webcam'. I've tried this with a half dozen cameras so far and they each shut down the camera functions once you connect them to the computer. I want to be able to capture images either by user clicking the cameras buttons i.e. via a camera interface, and it would be nice to have Twain and WIA driver support as well so I can go fetch the images via programmatic control if I choose. Does anyone know of such a thing? I've got a cheesy old eyeball webcam that does this, but of course it takes crappy pictures... Calls to local camera shops and they think I'm kinda nuts... Matt Jarvis Programmer/DBA King | Retail Solutions Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Looking for digi camera / webcam
So how does the camera fit in, un-tethered? (or are you looking for a digitcal camera instead of a webcam, for the extra resolution?)Laptop cart in the field? Hope you have all-terrain tires :) How about a four-wheeler? ;) But seriously... why send a full computer? There are many ways to deliver tagged content, for example an iPhone or n8xx could deliver geo-tagged photos by email with audio or other text annotations, then have the server create the new record entry. Lighten the client, reduce some liability? A cart does make people look official though =P On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Matt Jarvis matt.jar...@kingrs.com wrote: Is your project idea secret? Ben Not a secret We intend to have QA reps out in the field double checking our installation work for defects. User pushes cart w/ laptop/camera around, finds a defect, has our app create a new record entry, enters some notes, take/aquire a picture, move on Matt Jarvis Programmer/DBA King | Retail Solutions Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Looking for digi camera / webcam
Kinda going with that, a camera with a wifi-SD or CF card could be located (triangulated/radiolocated, [1]) locally. There's a lot of existing work you could borrow from there, to streamline the data capture and minimize error (hopefully!). My earlier mention of a cellphone-like device supports this too [2] Does anyone know off-hand if any of the miniature GPS chipsets support differential setups (DGPS, [3])? I got wary when you suggested that the support ticket would be created onsite; I see that simply as generating and submitting the needed data. :) Too much time on the servers, I guess, makes a healthy distrust of the client. Is that a claimed maxim or quip, somewhere I could source?? Ben [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolocation [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DGPS PS - So you have a photo and where it was taken, and it'd be useful to know the nature of the fault. Maybe keeping the cameras locked into spot-focus (and keeping the frame centered on the fault) would help. Would audio annotation or even speech recognition fit in that part of the process? I'm not seeing moving-data-around as the problem, but then I only have a little window into your scenario :) Hope this helps... On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Chris LeBlanc leblanc...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, Just to clarify, this is defects in the finished on-site retail locations, such as paint peeling, incorrect height on counters, etc...? Someone would go in after the work had been done, but before final sign-off by the buyer, id any problems and take a photo of it? If so, you are just trying to streamline the process of identifying and photographing the problem, without having someone go through, take dozens of photos, and then process them all later? In that scenario, what if they wanted to create a group of photos to properly show the problem they have identified, or give better perspective of the problem? Would this system be setup to have one photo for each entry, or would there be multiple photos, each assigned a problem ID, with multiple photos given the same problem ID? I see something where the person goes through with a digital camera, takes the pictures, connects to a laptop and starts the software. The software then has an area that shows thumbnails from the laptop, and a problem ID area. They can then either search for a problem, or enter a new problem. Then, they can select the photos assigned to that problem and submit them. Then they can continue with the next problem. Is that what you are thinking about, or am I way off base? Chris Matt Jarvis wrote: Is your project idea secret? Ben Not a secret We intend to have QA reps out in the field double checking our installation work for defects. User pushes cart w/ laptop/camera around, finds a defect, has our app create a new record entry, enters some notes, take/aquire a picture, move on Matt Jarvis Programmer/DBA King | Retail Solutions Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. ___ EUGLUG mailing listeug...@euglug.orghttp://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] ISP experiences in Eugene?
Sigh, I chose the greater of two evils, but I can say that the speedboost thing works wonders, I'm not even sure if it is just on singular download streams, but wow, it might be time to tune those TCP settings more aggressively, since the medium-sized ISO's like bootable biz cards really lose out, relative to full-size distro's, by this scheme IMO :) That is to say, I have no problems with it. On a UPS, it has stayed online through a number of local power issues and handles my dedicated PAP2 phone adapter quite well (via viatalk fwiw). Make sure you get your last-mile [sic] of cable upgraded if you're in an older place; you can explain that you're likely to upgrade to the business-grade service level and they probably won't complain. Same things goes for DSL, of course, you need decent wires in any case. I've seen wiring issues dictate the choices in some situations: nobody likes crawling around in insulation, that I know of. Ben On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Quentin Hartman qhart...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.comwrote: What is the collective wisdom on ISPs in Eugene? I'm moving to a house near Chambers and 18th. I need a decent internet connection. I use VoIP extensively and will likely get a telecommute job. What are my options? I second Larry's statements. Qwest and Comcast are essentially the only games in town, Unless you count Clearwire or a cellular-based option, which I wouldn't if you want to have good VoIP performance. I have used Qwest personally for 8+ years and have been happy with them. I'm on their 7Mb plan. Lately they've had some performance problems, but they have been easy to resolve by calling support and after a short rain-dance having them switch my line to a different circuit. I assume that customer-supportese for The upstream connection you were on was overloaded, so we've routed you to a different one.. The compnay I work for uses Comcast at the office, we're on the 20Mb business package. It's pretty costly for personal use (~160 / mo) but it has been reliable and performs very well. If I didn't have such philosophical problems with Comcast (I know Qwest has issues too, but their the lesser of two evils if you ask me) I'd probably switch to a similar plan at home. The latency advantage that cable has over DSL is hard to ignore. QH ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Linux box emulating a keyboard?
Ho hum, I dunno about chipset support for that. :) This one seems to cover the PS2 mouse keyboard protocol pretty well: http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/ The Communication sections therein actually look pretty good and might get you further along, if you haven't already found that too. Hardware could solve it, but since you're a primarily a software guy (albeit closer to hardware than me!), couldn't you just virtualize the windows environment, and load it up on boot? Darn windurrs. Ben PS - fwiw, I came across a cool tiny linux I have not seen before, although it uses parallel ports: http://atomic.eyedropvideo.com/remote1.shtml Atomic Linux, free automation (mini-distro, for floppy disk on old hardware) On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Bob Miller k...@jogger-egg.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Bill Barry bar...@proaxis.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Bob Miller k...@jogger-egg.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Just my hunch, I think using USB would be easier; AFAIK you can switch modes (host/slave) if the hardware will support it, as has been done with n770 (8xx too?). Hmmm. Does the Intel UHCI/EHCI support slave mode? Switched per-port? and, do you really need linux? http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/prjhid.html :) My first thought was an Arduino. The Arduino docs indicate that the HW is capable of emulating PS/2, and it has a serial-over-USB interface as well. But I'd be writing more software than this project warrants. -- Bob Miller Kbob k...@jogger-egg.com Do you need the keyboard at boot? Otherwise you could just use VNC. Yeah, I know about VNC, qemu, rdesktop, VMware, synergy, x2vnc, and some other things. I need a way to enter input before the network is up. After the network is up, I'll be using synergy. I can install as much software as I want on the Linux side, but it needs to look like a hardware keyboard to the Windows box. Sorry I didn't make that clear in my first post. -- Bob Miller Kbob k...@jogger-egg.com ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] official Ubuntu 9.04 CDs @ ComputerBase
And I can confirm, it appears to be a good distro :) I had to increase the shared memory allocation to get zoneminder's detection working at reasonable resolution, that was the trickiest part so far. Very nice stuff here, ++. Ben On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:57 PM, notanathe...@yahoo.com wrote: We have a very limited amount of official Ubuntu 9.04 CDs if anybody needs one. Limit one since you can copy it all you like. That be all, Mr O. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] Fwd: [cjobs] Classified Job Announcements: Operating Systems/Network Analyst 3 ($4470 - $6814 Monthly)
union job, must have: ... basic foundation of knowledge of complex technical problem solving in operating systems programs, maintenance, systems administration, and network systems that would normally be obtained through a bachelor's degree, typically in information systems, computer science, or a related technical field, and/or equivalent technical training and/or extensive demonstrated independent technical problem solving experience. In addition these positions require: * 5 years of applicable hands-on experience supporting data computer systems or services which serve 500 or more end-users; * Fluency in at least one scripting or programming language (for example: PERL, shell scripting tools, Python, C); * Excellent technical writing and verbal communication skills and ability to communicate effectively with individuals from diverse backgrounds and cultures; * U.S. citizenship or other eligibility for employment in the U.S. under currently prevailing federal regulations. Preferred Qualifications: * Experience in messaging systems, LDAP directory systems, and/or GIS systems; * Experience in hardening of Linux applications for use in untrusted environments; * Experience with web based application development; * Experience with IP Telephony systems support or development; * Experience with open source development; * Experience with Avaya Communications systems support Must pass criminal background check. -- Forwarded message -- From: Human Resources cbr...@uoregon.edu Date: Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM Subject: [cjobs] Classified Job Announcements To: cj...@lists.uoregon.edu UO Classified Job Announcements Operating Systems/Network Analyst 3 Information Services http://hr.uoregon.edu/jobs/classified.php?id=3128 -- To unsubscribe yourself from this list, visit http://hr.uoregon.edu/jobs/unsubscribe.php ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] IP based security camera with motion detection
Try ZoneMinder, it works great for both v4l and ip camera sources; you must get the camera's best urls though, google helped me on that. I have both a linksys and a d-link going. I staged my ZM in vmware, will be migrating to a dedicated atom nettop next week. :) Maybe we could do a demo, Allen? Ben On May 2, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: I think it is working now. First I had to find the way to get jpegs from the camera. My luck I found a reference to this on the web: http://cam_driveway1/img/video.mjpeg Only that gave a complaint about Invalid URL. After staring at the source code for about an hour it suddenly hit me that the motion source code couldn't handle the underscore character in the url. Changing the camera device to cam-driveway1 made it work. -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ Anti-intellectual: Never trust anyone with an IQ over 30. I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera. It connects to ethernet or WiFi. I can point to it with firefox or vlc and see a good moving image. It has configuration pages to email or ftp on detection of motion. That doesn't work. Perhaps it requires ActiveX. They say it does. Most of the web config doesn't require that. And there's no reason that config page should. So it goes. I don't have a Windoze computer. I don't have ActiveX. Linux should be able to do this. There are web pages out there that talk about how to use motion with ffserver and ffmpeg to do this sort of capture. I've spent a full day trying various pages. They don't work. I only found one which actually talked about doing motion detection with this camera. http://www.infohit.net/blog/post/motion-capture-using-the-wvc54gc-with-linux.html The instructions for ffmpeg don't seem to work. When I run ffmpeg with the indicated options I get I/O error occurred. Trying to debug this is black magic. It involves passing streams in and out of web portals on my computer. (I don't know why they couldn't have just used pipes. So much simpler.) Please note that I am talking about cameras that talk ethernet. Not USB. USB cameras need to have a computer within 5 meters. That's not very useful. Does anybody on this list have this sort of thing working? What documentation did you follow? -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ Cogito ergo spud - I think, therefore I yam. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] double whammy? detachable-screen netbook, $150?
I thought this was pretty steamy news, 'hope you agree, though it looks more like a detachable keyboard to me: http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/15/aware-launches-a-view-netbook-with-detachable-screen-for-150/ Anyone have links or memories of a detachable-keyboard (or -screen) portable being done before? Thanks, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Linux appliance?
Google found something here: http://shop.openrb.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=18 I didn't see USB at first glance, but they have ether and mini-pci, CF, etc... On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Bob Carlson b...@rjcarlson.com wrote: Yeah I actually spent a lot of time looking at DD-WRT and OpenWRT. DD-WRT doesn't have ntpd as someone pointed out. I would use OpenWRT, but I want to find a better platform than the Linksys. I also want to connect a flash drive to a GB or 2 of storage for the tftp server. Anybody know a nice little fan-less box that supports OpenWRT and has USB and Ethernet ports? A board and case combo bought separately would be OK too. Cheers, Bob Eugene, OR - Tucson, AZ -Original Message- From: euglug-boun...@euglug.org [mailto:euglug-boun...@euglug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Miller Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:07 PM To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Linux appliance? Sounds like a job for a Linksys WRT54GL running OpenWRT, ddWRT or similar. List price $70. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bob Carlson b...@rjcarlson.com wrote: I’m looking for a cheap embedded Linux Box that runs off of flash and can be set up to run ntpd, tftpd and maybe a couple of other basic network functions. I haven’t found anything that is really straightforward to use yet. Anybody got any suggestions? Cheers, Bob Bob Carlson | +1 541 484 0148 (office) | +1 520 299 0725 (office) | +1 541 521 9525 (mobile) b...@rjcarlson.com | bob.carl...@gmail.com (mobile) | rjcarlson49 (aim or skype) ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug -- Bob Miller Kbob k...@jogger-egg.com ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Linux appliance?
The folks who produce Damn Small Linux (DSL) have a store, I purchased their $200 fanless system for a client, and while it might not be the absolute cheapest price, it did come preloaded with DSL on flash, ready to boot, and I (we) supported a cool linux project (or the people behind it). http://damnsmalllinux.org/store/Mini_ITX_Systems The MSI Wind, desktop model, is also a very nice linux box -- if you look for it, be sure to get the newer dual-core (Atom 330, IIRC, not the 270 chip) version that is not the very-new 1.66Ghz, but the first dual-core atom (1.6Ghz, IIRC). These are nice machines, I've done a little with them on both 'doze and linux, and... have been readying about osx86 on it :) I'm pretty sure that if you google around you'll find someone who has underclocked it to a fanless-stable configuration... that might be even cheaper (~$150), and a much faster boxen ;) Although I'm not sure what you'd have to do to make one completely fanless (open PSU, or just tweak software/bios?). Best regards, Ben On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bob Carlson b...@rjcarlson.com wrote: I’m looking for a cheap embedded Linux Box that runs off of flash and can be set up to run ntpd, tftpd and maybe a couple of other basic network functions. I haven’t found anything that is really straightforward to use yet. Anybody got any suggestions? Cheers, Bob *Bob Carlson *| +1 541 484 0148 (office) | +1 520 299 0725 (office) | +1 541 521 9525 (mobile) b...@rjcarlson.com | bob.carl...@gmail.com (mobile) |* *rjcarlson49 (aim or skype) ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Linux appliance?
Yikes, routers without ntp?? http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Network_Time_Protocol On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: Yes, that's what I thought of. But I don't know if there is a package for ntpd or if you would have to compile it yourself. For instance I don't think tomato provides this. Those other two could very well. Is this private network facing or world facing? -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/%7Eabrown/ Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference. --- Sir Winston Churchill Sounds like a job for a Linksys WRT54GL running OpenWRT, ddWRT or similar. List price $70. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bob Carlson b...@rjcarlson.com wrote: I’m looking for a cheap embedded Linux Box that runs off of flash and can be set up to run ntpd, tftpd and maybe a couple of other basic network functions. I haven’t found anything that is really straightforward to use yet. Anybody got any suggestions? Cheers, Bob Bob Carlson | +1 541 484 0148 (office) | +1 520 299 0725 (office) | +1 541 521 9525 (mobile) b...@rjcarlson.com | bob.carl...@gmail.com (mobile) | rjcarlson49 (aim or skype) -- Bob Miller Kbob k...@jogger-egg.com ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Need to Talk to someone
Exactly -- there are a number of ways to get there; changing partitions on the only drive holding your data should be done very *carefully*. You didn't mention how much data you have, which is a moving target of course. If you have enough free space, consider making an archive (using tar + gzip/bzip, or zip, etc) to see how well it compressed, and to give you one file to work with. I usually keep the working copy unbundled as well, but if you date an archive then you'll begin to have a history available in case any files need to be reverted or compared to in the future. Also, if you have access to a modern internet connection, you can consider uploading a (scrambled, if need be) backup there. The measures taken should be proportional to the value and replacability of your data. I agree that a thumb drive or external hard drive would be the easiest most common approach, but in terms of learning linux, a partition/data shuffle for a single-drive update is a good exercise. You can probably just use a bootable CD of your new favorite linux distribution, to perform the partition change, data migration, and re-install; be sure to use the nice GUI tools for the partitioning changes if you're not versed with the command line fdisk or equivalent. Did you want off-list help, do you need someone on-site? Best regards, Ben On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert. It should not be too hard to preserve your data across Operating System versions. The right way to do this is to have your home directory on a separate partition from your OS, this means that you can potentially boot into one OS access some specialised software and write a document and then reboot into a different os and load the same document. To get their from having one big partition, you will need to create a new partition, copy data to it and then do your OS upgrades. You will want to read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Partition/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Robert Douglass r...@oregonfast.net wrote: I need to talk to someone about linux, I have PCOS on my computer and I want to change to another distribution, but not loose all my data on hard drive. My number is 541-272-1138 Bob call anytime I am into EMC-2 and mini-itx form factor boards, and wifi solutions, I live on the coast in Newport. Thank You ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Web admin for postfix
BobC, from what I can see, SquirrelMail does not handle this in its core, but rather by plugins like this one: http://squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=264 (AFAIK multiple plugins exist to handle forwarding in SM) From what I've seen of SquirrelMail, if it is setup nicely it offers the features users expect, however, for the faint of CLI/config-file, better luck may be had with Zimbra or even Gmail services. KBob, did you find anything at http://www.postfix.org/addon.html#config ?? Have you looked at Usermin? (related to webmin) Some of my clients use the cPanel utility for handling email forwarding more on their standard hosting accounts; this seems easy enough to use, but I know cPanel is not free, but I couldn't figure out if their forwarding component was borrowed from some other project... Also, google found me this page which might be a decent place for you to check: http://www.debianadmin.com/postfix-mail-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html (although many projects linked from there are dead) Best of luck, Ben On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Bob Crandell b...@assuredcomp.com wrote: I thought it was a layer over the top of Sendmail, Postfix, Qmail. But it does what you are describing. On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 08:52 -0700, Bob Miller wrote: I thought Squirrelmail was an MUA. I'm looking for a way to delegatemail routing to users. The mail will, for the most part, be stored andread elsewhere (e.g., gmail or yahoo mail). For example, user fred has domain example.com. He wants to set upf...@example.com to go to dumbcave...@yahoo.com andwi...@example.com to go to w.flintst...@comcast.net.that's what I want to delegate so Fred can set up Pebbles'and Dino's forwarding himself. Thanks... On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Bob Crandell b...@assuredcomp.com wrote: Have you looked at Squirrel Mail? - Bob Crandell Assured Computing, Inc. http://www.assuredcomp.com/ 541-868-0331 ComputerBase http://www.computerbaseusa.com/ 541-349-0404 On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 10:17 -0700, Bob Miller wrote: I am looking for a web-based admin interface for postfix. I have a server that does mail routing for a bunch of domains that are owned by different people, and I would like a way for them to be able to update how their own mail is forwarded. Google found dtc and postfixadmin. Any opinions on those or other packages? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Technologie_Control http://sourceforge.net/projects/postfixadmin/ Thanks. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] OT:: shopping for external USB HD
I would suggest getting an all-in-one unit with a hefty warranty that covers both the interface and the drive. If data loss would be a problem, buy 2 or more. My priority questions for you would be: What problems regarding this unit would be unbearable, and how are they solved. Looks like you don't need speed, but you want reliability. Unless you're an experienced hardware hacker, or at least system builder. I would guess that almost anything you do inside the box will reduce reliability... but hey some people work on their own car, and some people do not -- and this is a software-environment-oriented audience, last time I checked :) Ben On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:42 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: You did mention that price wasn't that critical, but I subscribe to a service that posts me when phenomenal deals come along and last week there was a 1Tb external usb HD in a fan-cooled enclosure for 69 bux. Didn't keep it--but if something like that drifts in soon you want me to flag it and send it to you? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Parrot the multi language VM released version 1.0 today
Server down? I can't get through to them.. the digg effect? On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:40 PM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.parrot.org/ Rumour has it that Duke Nukem Forever is being ported to it :-) The list of languages it supports is impressive https://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Languages ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] Fwd: Corvallis Beaver BarCamp III
Hey folks, this announcement was sent along helpfully, thought I'd relay :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Tim Budd b...@eecs.oregonstate.edu Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:35 PM Subject: Corvallis Beaver BarCamp III To: undisclosed-recipients I'm sending the following because you attended one of the previous two Corvallis BarCamps's. --tim - On Saturday, April 4th, the Open Source Lab and the School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at Oregon State University will be hosting the 3rd Beaver BarCamp in the new Kelly Engineering center on the OSU Campus. What is a BarCamp, you ask? On www.barcamp.org you find the following description: BarCamp is an ad-hoc gathering born from the desire for people to share and learn in an open environment. It is an intense event with discussions, demos and interaction from participants. In recent years BarCamps have been hugely popular, and have been held all over the world - See the web link mentioned for a few recent camps. A BarCamp is sometimes described as an unconference. Like a conference, a BarCamp is organized into sessions, with breaks for coffee and tea, free food, and socializing. Unlike a traditional conference, topics are not decided in advance. Instead, talks are spontaneously organized on the ground in real-time. Most attendees are expected to arrive at BarCamp with at least one topic they are passionately interested in discussing during a 50-minuit session. Potential presenters describe their topic on post-it notes, everybody votes on their favorite topics, rooms are assigned to topics according to the number of participants, and things are off and running. Topics can cover anything that people want to discuss. In earlier BarCamps most talks have been on current technical tools and issues, but there have also been discussions on sustainability, community building, science fiction, knitting patterns, techniques for losing weight, and platonic solids. Because the participants decide the agenda, everybody has the chance to be part of a discussion they are truly interested in. Although participation at BarCamp is free, the organizers would like people to register their intent to come at the web site http://www.barcamp.org/BeaverBarCamp. That way they know how many tee-shirts and how much food to order. Sign up and plan on coming to Beaver BarCamp! As an added bonus, the Friday night before BarCamp there will be the 2nd Ignite Corvallis event. See http://ignitecorvallis.com/ for information on that event. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Chromium port to Wine for Linux and OS X
Sounds cool, but does this smell like StarOffice Sun, to anyone else?? WebKit is good, though -- just wondering whether this is really a case of open source benefiting from proprietary code, or vice versa... On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:14 AM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: Got an email from Codeweavers about a new release. Don't recall what I did to wind up on their mailing list. But I thought I'd check out what was new on their site since the last time I visited. Ran across this interesting bit: a proof of concept port of the open source Chromium browser to Wine for Linux and the Mac. http://www.codeweavers.com/services/ports/chromium/. Packages available for several Linux distros. Doubt that there's anyone on the list who didn't already know it, but just in case: Chromium is a Google open source project on which their proprietary Chrome browser is based. It's based in turn on the WebKit application framework, which traces back to a fork in the KDE KHTML code base begun by Apple. KDE developers are submitting patches for WebKit and there's speculation that WebKit will succeed KHTML. I'm not sure how certain that is. More about WebKit than you probably wanted to know here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit. Google is working on a native port of Chrome to Linux. There's also a port of Chromium but sounds like it's way far away from read-for-primetime. http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions. Best regards, Paul -- Universal Interoperability Council http:www.universal-interop-council.org ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Chromium port to Wine for Linux and OS X
From what I'm seeing in the mobile market, both from devices and the content push, the world needs webkit on a lot of handhelds! Our economic survival might just rely on it. Heh, but who's getting gubbermint grants for webkit? ;) Ben On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:13 PM, marbux mar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds cool, but does this smell like StarOffice Sun, to anyone else?? WebKit is good, though -- just wondering whether this is really a case of open source benefiting from proprietary code, or vice versa... I'm wary of it. I think there's that kind of danger any time you have folks answering to stockholders in the code stewardship role on an open source project whose code base plays the crippleware role to a proprietary product. OTOH, the Chromium-unique code is BSD-licensed, so no legal barriers to recycling the code under other licenses such as the Gnu licenses. But note that Chromium comes with some third party code issued under other licenses. http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html#3rdparty. The ones I'm familiar with pose no barrier to recycling under other licenses as I recall, but there are a couple that I haven't studied. I haven't investigated the Chromium Project in depth. But my nose tells me to be more interested long term in what KDE does in regard to WebKit. They've been contributing WebKit patches and there were some rumbles awhile back that KDE is moving toward deprecating KHTML in favor of WebKit. I haven't checked to see if that's true. There's no crippleware business model and no vendor brutally controlling the KDE code base that I know of. :-) So I'm guessing that a KDE branch might be the WebKit wagon that winds up with the FOSS Clydesdale hitched to it. But that's only a guess. Time will tell. Best regards, Paul -- Universal Interoperability Council http:www.universal-interop-council.org ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] Fwd: video from australia zdnet - people can't tell kde4 from windows 7
Maybe this has made the rounds already? Sorry to bother, if so, but I found this entertaining. Looks like easy to use is something AppleMac popularized, that's a bummer for linuxfoss but not as much as it is for Vista/W7. http://olylug.org/read.php?73,13757 ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: Linux Ubuntu Install Tutorial
Did I miss something, or are two word-capitalizations excessive (FLA's TLA's don't count, right)? You used more than others: three. Need emoticons instead? I'd like to point out that the iterations of attack vectors has little to do with install tutorials and helping n00bs. Please remember that zealousness costs more lives than it saves... and that the best way to avoid STD's is to be chaste. These people want to use computers, and I'd suggest that their non-enterprise-managed windows PC is likely to have some sort of infection already. If we want to be derisive, I could offer than windows infections will soon become smart enough to block users from installing another OS, or otherwise halting their own uninstallation On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Dave Compton to.dav...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Microsoft Windows, by default has zero write access to anything but NTFS and FAT. So what? Also, by default, Microsoft Windows has zero viruses. On the other hand, Windows by default does have access to other partitions and it's not hard to find windows code that is capable of writing to ext3 format file systems. I'm sure a smart virus writer would be able to incorporate that code into his virus and make the leap across partitions and operating systems if he wanted to. If it has not been done that's because there's not much bang for the buck from the virus writer's point of view. Allen said Then whenever you boot Wubi you get the infection. This tells me that the scenario that Allen imagined involved using wubi to install ubuntu, then picking up a virus while running windows which then somehow corrupts the boot file installed by wubi.exe in such a way that it in turn infects your ubuntu system. Not impossible but I still think it would be easier to directly write to the ext3 filesystem from windows. The point of my original post was to make a COMPARISON between the two risks. I still think that the direct danger to a linux system from a infected windows windows system makes any additional risk due to having installed via wubi INSIGNIFICANT. Maybe Allen had something else in mind . Several other possibilities occurred to me but in each case I could come up with a similar line of reasoning. If my reasoning is wrong please let me know but, in fact, I didn't COMPLETELY miss anything. - Dave p.s. Maybe in the future we can skip the excessive caps. Mr O wrote: Except you COMPLETELY missed the fact that Microsoft Windows, by default, has ZERO write access to anything but NTFS and FAT. Now, infected Wubi.EXE, that's different. Many viruses target EXE files but a seperate partition is a no-go. --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Dave Compton to.dav...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dave Compton to.dav...@gmail.com Subject: [Eug-lug] Re: Linux Ubuntu Install Tutorial To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:37 PM I think the greater danger is from dual booting windows linux (with or without wubi). An infected windows machine could write malware directly to the unbooted linux partition. This would be both an easier way of spreading an infection and more effective since *any* windows/linux system would be vulnerable to it - not just those that were installed via wubi. In fact, even the generic dual boot vulnerability seems like a pretty convoluted way to spread malware. Once you have control of a windows machine, the thing to do would be to *use* that windows machine to carry out your evil plot - not try to infect an unused linux partition in the hope that it might someday be booted. The windows - wubi - linux risk seems even lower. Once the wubi install process is complete you *do* end up with a linux system that, at a low level, piggybacks off of the windows boot system to work. It bothers me too but just as a matter of principle - not for security reasons. - Dave ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: Linux Ubuntu Install Tutorial
(oops)... If we want to be derisive, I could offer than windows infections will soon become smart enough to block users from installing another OS, or otherwise halting their own uninstallation, or even virtualizing themselves into the new OS (if cpu virt flags enabled). Back to helping newbies install Ubuntu: I think some videos for debugging scenarios would be awesome for example, what do I do if I get the command prompt thingy? What about when my screen flashes and never gets into a graphical mode? Is there an easy way to capture and send some info (by email or thumbdrive) to help with remote debugging, before we give up on linux (again)? :) Or even, I tried to upload Office into Linux, but the CD won't run. I think by using a bunch of short videos for a more-human explanation, huge benefits are gained. I know lots of folks who just don't read so well, dyslexia or other cognititve distortion, where brief video explanations for FAQs, as well as walk-throughs of (parts of) the installation process would be dandy. I do know video is harder to maintain, but instead of looking at is as a feature-length documentary, so long as you don't get a horrible cold or go through puberty during the project, a number of shorter vids can be reasonably maintained. Thanks ciao, Ben On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Did I miss something, or are two word-capitalizations excessive (FLA's TLA's don't count, right)? You used more than others: three. Need emoticons instead? I'd like to point out that the iterations of attack vectors has little to do with install tutorials and helping n00bs. Please remember that zealousness costs more lives than it saves... and that the best way to avoid STD's is to be chaste. These people want to use computers, and I'd suggest that their non-enterprise-managed windows PC is likely to have some sort of infection already. If we want to be derisive, I could offer than windows infections will soon become smart enough to block users from installing another OS, or otherwise halting their own uninstallation On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Dave Compton to.dav...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Microsoft Windows, by default has zero write access to anything but NTFS and FAT. So what? Also, by default, Microsoft Windows has zero viruses. On the other hand, Windows by default does have access to other partitions and it's not hard to find windows code that is capable of writing to ext3 format file systems. I'm sure a smart virus writer would be able to incorporate that code into his virus and make the leap across partitions and operating systems if he wanted to. If it has not been done that's because there's not much bang for the buck from the virus writer's point of view. Allen said Then whenever you boot Wubi you get the infection. This tells me that the scenario that Allen imagined involved using wubi to install ubuntu, then picking up a virus while running windows which then somehow corrupts the boot file installed by wubi.exe in such a way that it in turn infects your ubuntu system. Not impossible but I still think it would be easier to directly write to the ext3 filesystem from windows. The point of my original post was to make a COMPARISON between the two risks. I still think that the direct danger to a linux system from a infected windows windows system makes any additional risk due to having installed via wubi INSIGNIFICANT. Maybe Allen had something else in mind . Several other possibilities occurred to me but in each case I could come up with a similar line of reasoning. If my reasoning is wrong please let me know but, in fact, I didn't COMPLETELY miss anything. - Dave p.s. Maybe in the future we can skip the excessive caps. Mr O wrote: Except you COMPLETELY missed the fact that Microsoft Windows, by default, has ZERO write access to anything but NTFS and FAT. Now, infected Wubi.EXE, that's different. Many viruses target EXE files but a seperate partition is a no-go. --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Dave Compton to.dav...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dave Compton to.dav...@gmail.com Subject: [Eug-lug] Re: Linux Ubuntu Install Tutorial To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 8:37 PM I think the greater danger is from dual booting windows linux (with or without wubi). An infected windows machine could write malware directly to the unbooted linux partition. This would be both an easier way of spreading an infection and more effective since *any* windows/linux system would be vulnerable to it - not just those that were installed via wubi. In fact, even the generic dual boot vulnerability seems like a pretty convoluted way to spread malware. Once you have control of a windows machine, the thing to do would be to *use* that windows machine to carry out your evil plot - not try to infect an unused linux partition
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
Yep, I know curl is not mac-only :) I thought it came from the mac side of things though, but I guess I was wrong. Wget prolly didn't have mac support until the BSD basis, so I think that is where I got my memory. In other words, I believe that early (pre OS X) Macs had cURL but not Wget. Curl is copyrighted by the author only, not any umbrella org. Wget is GPL'ed! See: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html (by cURL's author) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wget My main notes: curl is bi-directional, wget is down-only, but see wput also wget is command-line only, no libs to call it from, whereas curl offers many libs Happy hacking! Ben On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: curl huh? I think wget will fix urls and such... curl is a mac thing, right? :) $ apt-cache search curl | grep curl curl - Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS or FTP server libcurl3 - Multi-protocol file transfer library (OpenSSL) libcurl3-dbg - libcurl compiled with debug symbols libcurl3-gnutls - Multi-protocol file transfer library (GnuTLS) libcurl4-gnutls-dev - Development files and documentation for libcurl (GnuTLS) libcurl4-openssl-dev - Development files and documentation for libcurl (OpenSSL) python-pycurl - Python bindings to libcurl python-pycurl-dbg - Python bindings to libcurl (debug extension) curlftpfs - filesystem to access FTP hosts based on FUSE and cURL flying - pool/snooker/carrom/hockey/curling simulator for X11 gambas-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component gambas2-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component libcurl-ocaml - ocaml curl bindings libcurl-ocaml-dev - ocaml libcurl bindings liblua5.1-curl-dev - libcURL development files for the lua language version 5.1 liblua5.1-curl0 - libcURL bindings for the lua language version 5.1 libwww-curl-perl - Perl bindings to libcurl python-urljr - Common interface to urllib2 and curl for making HTTP requests slang-curl - transfer files using HTTP and FTP from S-Lang spl-curl - SPL Programming Language -- curl adapter tclcurl - Tcl bindings to libcurl xmms2-plugin-curl - XMMS2 - curl transport for HTTP php5-curl - CURL module for php5 gimp-libcurl - libcurl URI plugin for GIMP -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ The secret of the demagogue is to make himself as stupid as his audience so that they believe they are as clever as he. ---Karl Kraus On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:09 PM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: #!/bin/bash for url in $( file_of_archived_bookmark_urls); do echo fetching $url; fname=$(cut -d\/ -f8 $url); curl $url $fname; htmltidy $fname; #cleans up tag soup. done; Apply a little editing to the results and resolve the images and you're good to upload to the current site. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: I was just hoping to recover nodes I'd edited back then... such as Seth's http://web.archive.org/web/20040625143131/wiki.euglug.org/index.php/SethCohn Ben On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Alan eug...@thebucks.net wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: History of EUGLUG: Does anyone have an archive of the old wiki? (was it a phpwiki?) Since the goal of the current website is to decentralize the content, I encourage anyone who wants to write up a history to create an account on euglug.org and type away. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
How can I do that in vi? :) On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:21 AM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: curl is MIT licensed I use curl -si $url |head for debugging apache configurations On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, I know curl is not mac-only :) I thought it came from the mac side of things though, but I guess I was wrong. Wget prolly didn't have mac support until the BSD basis, so I think that is where I got my memory. In other words, I believe that early (pre OS X) Macs had cURL but not Wget. Curl is copyrighted by the author only, not any umbrella org. Wget is GPL'ed! See: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html (by cURL's author) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wget My main notes: curl is bi-directional, wget is down-only, but see wput also wget is command-line only, no libs to call it from, whereas curl offers many libs Happy hacking! Ben On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Allen Brown abr...@peak.org wrote: curl huh? I think wget will fix urls and such... curl is a mac thing, right? :) $ apt-cache search curl | grep curl curl - Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS or FTP server libcurl3 - Multi-protocol file transfer library (OpenSSL) libcurl3-dbg - libcurl compiled with debug symbols libcurl3-gnutls - Multi-protocol file transfer library (GnuTLS) libcurl4-gnutls-dev - Development files and documentation for libcurl (GnuTLS) libcurl4-openssl-dev - Development files and documentation for libcurl (OpenSSL) python-pycurl - Python bindings to libcurl python-pycurl-dbg - Python bindings to libcurl (debug extension) curlftpfs - filesystem to access FTP hosts based on FUSE and cURL flying - pool/snooker/carrom/hockey/curling simulator for X11 gambas-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component gambas2-gb-net-curl - The Gambas advanced networking component libcurl-ocaml - ocaml curl bindings libcurl-ocaml-dev - ocaml libcurl bindings liblua5.1-curl-dev - libcURL development files for the lua language version 5.1 liblua5.1-curl0 - libcURL bindings for the lua language version 5.1 libwww-curl-perl - Perl bindings to libcurl python-urljr - Common interface to urllib2 and curl for making HTTP requests slang-curl - transfer files using HTTP and FTP from S-Lang spl-curl - SPL Programming Language -- curl adapter tclcurl - Tcl bindings to libcurl xmms2-plugin-curl - XMMS2 - curl transport for HTTP php5-curl - CURL module for php5 gimp-libcurl - libcurl URI plugin for GIMP -- Allen Brown abrown at peak.org http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/ The secret of the demagogue is to make himself as stupid as his audience so that they believe they are as clever as he. ---Karl Kraus On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:09 PM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: #!/bin/bash for url in $( file_of_archived_bookmark_urls); do echo fetching $url; fname=$(cut -d\/ -f8 $url); curl $url $fname; htmltidy $fname; #cleans up tag soup. done; Apply a little editing to the results and resolve the images and you're good to upload to the current site. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: I was just hoping to recover nodes I'd edited back then... such as Seth's http://web.archive.org/web/20040625143131/wiki.euglug.org/index.php/SethCohn Ben On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Alan eug...@thebucks.net wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: History of EUGLUG: Does anyone have an archive of the old wiki? (was it a phpwiki?) Since the goal of the current website is to decentralize the content, I encourage anyone who wants to write up a history to create an account on euglug.org and type away. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
I was just hoping to recover nodes I'd edited back then... such as Seth's http://web.archive.org/web/20040625143131/wiki.euglug.org/index.php/SethCohn Ben On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Alan eug...@thebucks.net wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: History of EUGLUG: Does anyone have an archive of the old wiki? (was it a phpwiki?) Since the goal of the current website is to decentralize the content, I encourage anyone who wants to write up a history to create an account on euglug.org and type away. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
curl huh? I think wget will fix urls and such... curl is a mac thing, right? :) On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:09 PM, larry price lapr...@gmail.com wrote: #!/bin/bash for url in $( file_of_archived_bookmark_urls); do echo fetching $url; fname=$(cut -d\/ -f8 $url); curl $url $fname; htmltidy $fname; #cleans up tag soup. done; Apply a little editing to the results and resolve the images and you're good to upload to the current site. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: I was just hoping to recover nodes I'd edited back then... such as Seth's http://web.archive.org/web/20040625143131/wiki.euglug.org/index.php/SethCohn Ben On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Alan eug...@thebucks.net wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: History of EUGLUG: Does anyone have an archive of the old wiki? (was it a phpwiki?) Since the goal of the current website is to decentralize the content, I encourage anyone who wants to write up a history to create an account on euglug.org and type away. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
History of EUGLUG: Does anyone have an archive of the old wiki? (was it a phpwiki?) Ben On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM, horst ho...@freeshell.org wrote: I met Rick Bronson in mid Dec 1996. At that time he was getting into/already doing(?) embedded systems on linux. Rick was listed on our early web pages as a local developer though I don't remember him being very active in the LUG. The earliest install disk I found in my museum is from 1998. (SuSE 5.3 , distributed by *LUG) Prior to that Jamie gave me a SuSE 5.1 or 5.2 (?) at a LUG 'meeting' at Allann Bros on 5th Ave. Unfortunately, that CD was passed on to CRRC together with my old '486 )-: According to wikipedia 5.1 was released Nov 1997. Our web page should have a EugLUG history link ! - Horst Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:31:34 -0800 From: Bob Miller k...@jogger-egg.com Reply-To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth? What year would that have been? I didn't find Eug-Lug until Feb., 2000, about a year before I moved here. The group seemed pretty young at the time, but who knows? ... ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
Last I heard, Patrick was still around town. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, JS Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com wrote: Seth got married and moved to New Hampshire… I believe he's still following thru on that software dev project he was working with while he was here in Eugene… I know where Seth is and how to speak with him...what I wrote was: Hey, are there any wobblies around anymore? Particularly anyone who remembers Seth? That would *suggest *I'm looking to contact some wobblies, not some Seths. --Kaplan *Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.* (I think some people in togas are plotting against me.) Henry Beard http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Beard, *Latin for All Occasions*. -- Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Nowhttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
Chandler's in the south east http://www.chrischandler.org/ but I suspect will be back for Fair (July). On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Last I heard, Patrick was still around town. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, JS Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com wrote: Seth got married and moved to New Hampshire… I believe he's still following thru on that software dev project he was working with while he was here in Eugene… I know where Seth is and how to speak with him...what I wrote was: Hey, are there any wobblies around anymore? Particularly anyone who remembers Seth? That would *suggest *I'm looking to contact some wobblies, not some Seths. --Kaplan *Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.* (I think some people in togas are plotting against me.) Henry Beard http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Beard, *Latin for All Occasions*. -- Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Nowhttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
OT(?) Is there a [strong] correlation between wobblies and hoedads? On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Chandler's in the south east http://www.chrischandler.org/ but I suspect will be back for Fair (July). On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.comwrote: Last I heard, Patrick was still around town. On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:03 PM, JS Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com wrote: Seth got married and moved to New Hampshire… I believe he's still following thru on that software dev project he was working with while he was here in Eugene… I know where Seth is and how to speak with him...what I wrote was: Hey, are there any wobblies around anymore? Particularly anyone who remembers Seth? That would *suggest *I'm looking to contact some wobblies, not some Seths. --Kaplan *Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.* (I think some people in togas are plotting against me.) Henry Beard http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Beard, *Latin for All Occasions*. -- Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Nowhttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth?
Isn't that, S++ ? ;) On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Darrough, James james.darro...@oregonstate.edu wrote: I have known Seth since the day we started Eug-Lug. Talk about the Dark Ages! Seth = good guy -Original Message- From: euglug-boun...@euglug.org [mailto:euglug-boun...@euglug.org] On Behalf Of Mr O Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:39 PM To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group Subject: RE: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth? Well there may be a long list of three letter acronyms... In other news, he did help me get accelerated 3D on my Geforce2MX back in the day of RedHat 7.3 and possibly Nvidia's first linux driver. It was quite the hack to make it work. Ah, the orange box! Currently still in Larry's possession. --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Matt Jarvis matt.jar...@kingrs.com wrote: From: Matt Jarvis matt.jar...@kingrs.com Subject: RE: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth? To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:16 PM What ever happened to Seth? This would suggest that others around here know Seth, and some might be interested in his whereabouts Matt Jarvis Programmer/DBA King | Retail Solutions 541-349-8512 From: euglug-boun...@euglug.org [mailto:euglug-boun...@euglug.org] On Behalf Of JS Kaplan Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:04 PM To: euglug@euglug.org Subject: [Eug-lug] Re: What ever happened to Seth? Seth got married and moved to New Hampshire... I believe he's still following thru on that software dev project he was working with while he was here in Eugene... I know where Seth is and how to speak with him...what I wrote was: Hey, are there any wobblies around anymore? Particularly anyone who remembers Seth? That would suggest I'm looking to contact some wobblies, not some Seths. --Kaplan Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare. (I think some people in togas are plotting against me.) Henry Beard http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Beard , Latin for All Occasions. Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Ben I think you nailed it
You mean off-list, not off-line, I suppose. As for this mailing list -- I think we'd have been banned. It is common for folks to ignore threads they're not into -- I ignore about 50% of euglug threads these days! Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:09 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Am most grateful for all your thoughtful responses--and you've increased my understanding considerably. As for having done this offline, that's kinda how I thought it would go and why I suggested it in my first post. Hate to aggravate people here. Best, m Ben Barrett wrote: If you could be sure you were setting a static IP which was *outside* the range of addresses being handed out by the primary, that should work, however you don't know what the primary settings are, so I guess just experiment. Now if your daily loss of connectivity is indeed due to a failure of the primary to renew the dhcp lease it gave to the secondary, setting static should avoid that problem, however who knows what other daily problems the primary router has? It could be resetting due to power fluctuations on the same ciruit that kick on at that time each day, or possibly some other network traffic jams it up. If you can, try to ensure that the primary device has its latest firmware (shouldn't be any need for custom firmware, just get the latest from the mfg). Well glad I could help. From the looks of this thread's activity, we coulda done this offline, but maybe my explanations will help someone in the archives death to connection not found! Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org mailto: mikem...@efn.org wrote: Sweet. Can't wait to try this in the morning (when my lease expires). ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Robotics Scrimmage tomorrow at CV
*Crescent* Valley... I think it is in Corvallis: http://local.google.com/maps?f=qq=Crescent+Valley+High+School,+Oregon http://local.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=Eugene,+ORdaddr=Crescent+Valley+High+School,+Oregon On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Wes Morgan morg...@efn.org wrote: Is Willamette Valley High School the same as Willamette High School on Echo Hollow Road? Wes Morgan Allen Brown wrote: The Willamette Valley high school FIRST Robotics teams will be competing tomorrow. This event will be hosted at Crescent Valley High School in the cafeteria. Scrimmages are scheduled to run from 11AM-3PM. In the past they have always started late, so you are probably safe to show up at 11:30. All of the area teams will be competing with each other. In addition they will be battling their own internal challenges since all of the electronics and software is new as of this year. I plan to show up. I have red hair and if I take my jacket off I will have amber suspenders. I hope to see you all there! ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] inside NextStep
maybe he meant they have no business *paying* Microsoft ... I'm guessing they get the same kinda $5 licenses St. Vinny's uses? (microsoft does use linux and even causes open source of their own, not just open sores, heh) On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mr O notanathe...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm complaining because you're complaining about Microsoft and using a hotmail address. *tongue in cheek people!* --- On Sat, 2/14/09, JS Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm complaining because I feel that my hours of labor are worth a tad bit more than a doorstop in which a full-sized PCI card won't fit and an AGP slot doesn't exist. I'm complaining because I feel that no matter what the cost, even free, a Microsoft license is a Microsoft license and a non-profit has no business purchasing Microsoft licenses when Open Source exists. When Ubuntu exists. If Ubuntu is good enough for IBM, it's good enough for every American. I'm complaining because I feel NextStep should be using Linux in every task from Office to Refurbishing. I'm complaining because I hate to see people thumping their chests in the Weekly. *Usually* if the Weekly has an overly positive take on something, it's called damage control or a pre-emptive Media Strike. James S. Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com currently under-employed Sic Semper TyrannisMarcus Junius Brutus, March 15, 44 BC John Wilkes Booth, April 14, 1865 AD ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
I am -- just recently though. I tried getting it running on a $25 on-sale TrendNet model, which was close to models listed as supported/working, but I guess not close enough (maybe future versions). I decided to try the Linksys WAP 54GL, and it was worth it -- although it did take a bit of patience to go through two hard reset procedures and two firmware updates (mini first). I started with Client Bridge mode to extend my wifi to some cat5 devices in an unattached garage, and have now gone to Repeater Bridge mode, and think I'm staying there unless I see bandwidth issues. I'm only getting about 20% signal, so I've been futzing with antennae more than dd-wrt! ;) http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Bridging Ahem; why do you ask? Ben PS - I'm pretty sure that some of these devices with just enough horsepower and a USB port (or USB headers) you can actually run then as a mini-PC, with a display and everything! There exists some linux USB display drivers, right? If not, I was thinking an old thin-client temrinal might be suitable out there... but the MSI Wind (Atom) dekstop model is only $140 now, heh... On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Relating tangentially to a thread that weaves its way in'n out here periodically--trying to lick the high cost of broadband in you gene--I've finally got my Yagi up'n flying. Any other Blank Regs operating in the area? (Though I've heard my router referred to as a solid state linux computer this is not technically a linux thread so to keep from taking up unfair width here on the list please respond privately). ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
Heh, that's a hardware issue. You probably want to start out with a pair of adapters so you can put a length of (rg5 or rg6, is it?) cable-tv type cable as the extension. The reception-oriented reasons you'd want to use DD-WRT is enhanced control of transmit power as well as a slew of complex timing options (these can help keep your wifi cloud small contained, help it reach further, or even help avoid some interference maybe). If you can work out the yagi antenna placement and an extension or at least adapter cable (depending on how far up a tree or the roof the antenna is!!), then you can test the signal strength and fine-tune the antenna position as a separate step from any DD-WRT or router setup. Once the antenna will get you your signal, then you can drop in a device in bridging mode, provided that your uplink is copascetic and doesn't cut you off or sue you. :) Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know more about this for my blind friend, their out by LCC on a dial up. Your saying you can tie to a YAGI antenna? What's the range? I know in their case there's a big hill in the way, but hey maybe they could tie to LCC or something, legit, of course. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:45 AM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Relating tangentially to a thread that weaves its way in'n out here periodically--trying to lick the high cost of broadband in you gene--I've finally got my Yagi up'n flying. Any other Blank Regs operating in the area? (Though I've heard my router referred to as a solid state linux computer this is not technically a linux thread so to keep from taking up unfair width here on the list please respond privately). ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
Well I'm not an expert on antenna cable lengths, surely you need some low-gauge shielded wire, to make it any reasonable distance. As for signals in the air belonging to you: AFAIK, just because you're allowed to use TCP/IP, doesn't mean you're allowed to abuse it :) If you borrow my signal, most uplink service providers consider it theft or at least unfair use. So even if you find a friendly neighbor willing to share, you could be creating unwanted liability for yourself, should the lender get shut down. And just because you can speak SMTP and say you own the transmissions containing my email, does not give you the right to read (use) that transmission. It is still eavesdropping, even on unlicensed spectrum, and AFAIK (but IANAL) the laws and precedents are very clear about this. So sure, if my waves are in your airspace, I'm not going to lay claim to them, but you're supposed to play nice with other people's privacy, in our open society. BTW, my Linksys model is a WTR-54GL, not the WAP one, but I am indeed using it as a bridge -- I was slightly confused since the interface made it look like I was creating another wlan with the same channel, SSID, and WPA2 password, but when in bridging mode this is merely used to connect. Brainless and worh the ease of a supported device, in my case :) Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Have clearly plopped into a pond of serious users here so I won't pretend to advise--but from what I understand the cable (5606sr) from a Yagi can't be any longer than 8 ft or the signal turns to poop. Perhaps it's apropos to bring up the polotix of this issue, namely that any signal in the air is owned by anyone who can receive it. Transmitters beyond a certain wavelength and distance have to be licensed--but receivers still own the airways. Meantime would love to know how to fine-tune my Yagi position. Do I need an oscilloscope or something? Fun, m Ben Barrett wrote: Heh, that's a hardware issue. You probably want to start out with a pair of adapters so you can put a length of (rg5 or rg6, is it?) cable-tv type cable as the extension. The reception-oriented reasons you'd want to use DD-WRT is enhanced control of transmit power as well as a slew of complex timing options (these can help keep your wifi cloud small contained, help it reach further, or even help avoid some interference maybe). If you can work out the yagi antenna placement and an extension or at least adapter cable (depending on how far up a tree or the roof the antenna is!!), then you can test the signal strength and fine-tune the antenna position as a separate step from any DD-WRT or router setup. Once the antenna will get you your signal, then you can drop in a device in bridging mode, provided that your uplink is copascetic and doesn't cut you off or sue you. :) ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
If you've got to do the 30-30-30 hard reset procedure daily, something is VERY wrong. The worst cases I've seen merely required a simple power-cycle, which still interrupts most tcp sessions. BTW, are you saying your device came with DD-WRT installed? I've not seen that -- even though the 54GL is linux-based, I am not using the stock firmware (gasp). Oh, and, yes, both my antennae are indoors, which is why I have 20% signal strength (not 20% bandwdith)... I got a few more points by futzing around with a semi-parabolic mesh screen (a round campfire-cover thing) placed as a reflector to directionalize about 1/3 of the omni signal it could be better, I might try a smaller deep-frying screen closer to the tip of the antenna. Only my remote (garage) bridge has this added, but I did raise my indoor base station up onto the wall near the ceiling. Both stations have dual antennae, so I could replace one on each and put in a nice pair of directional tin cans or proper yagis :) Good enough for now... I'd still like to see how Mr. House plays with ZoneMinder and X11 controls, and get my circo-1930's house up to 1990's standards =P Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Ah so you're running a wireless access point; my setup is the straight wrt54gl box. And I ask because I've been having to do the ole 30-30-30 on the router every single day to keep a signal. My suspicion is it's the source (bomcast) and its daily throttle drop-out. The primary is a netgear -g (host is kool with this; we're neighbors). My thought was that once the secondary (my) router had been properly configured, all it should take to get back a lost signal is just reboot the router--but I have to start from scratch each time. Do it practically in my sleep so it's no biggy--it just doesn't make sense that the simple reboot doesn't do the trick. You've no doubt found this forum and the peacock thread as useful as I: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=39529. That kat donny is a wonder. And that's kool you've got repeater bridge working; so far client bridge is the only setup I've been able successfully to run. Perhaps it's that I've tried no other firmware than the one the router came flashed with, V24. Sounds like you're running one of the newer sets. From what I've read wireless connections to repeater bridge do suffer considerable bandwidth reduction so maybe 20% is normal? If I may bug you further, is your antennae indoors? I'm certain I could improve my signal if I mounted mine outdoors--it wouldn't have to pass through so many walls--but I've been too lazy to weatherize it. As for setting up my router as a mini-pc--perhaps in one of those parallel universes I keep reading about, one where there are more than just 24 hours in a day. Ben Barrett wrote: I am -- just recently though. I tried getting it running on a $25 on-sale TrendNet model, which was close to models listed as supported/working, but I guess not close enough (maybe future versions). I decided to try the Linksys WAP 54GL, and it was Ahem; why do you ask? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
Okay: I am indeed running DD-WRT in Repeater Bridge mode (my wifi cloud is extended) on the new WRT54GL (my secondary). My primary, in the home office, is an older Linksys WRT54G, which now seems to think it is a 54GL due to Linksys firmware, I forget if I got that from the UK site, DSLreports thread here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17758063 Now that I see just what I was missing, I'd like to get DD-WRT on my primary too. Oh, one thing I did in setting up the bridge, that I think I read afterward was a good idea, was to get the client bridge setup tested first, and then just switch it to repeater bridge. I had to power cycle the device (and my primary) after that last switch, but haven't had to reset either so far until now, I just adjusted a timing setting on my primary, and now need to go reset the secondary again. Now I just gotta figure out how many days the little bridge and webcam can run off the UPS, heh! :) Oh, and fwiw, I never heard of doing the 30-30-30 when it comes to lockups, without trying a power cycle first. Power cycling is SO universal, most of us have a handful of dsl modems we'd rather not remember... Just unplug the cable for 10 seconds or more, depending on your aura, then plug it back in. Much much easier than the 30-30-30, which was the worst tech yoga I've had to perform in years X^/ Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: If you've got to do the 30-30-30 hard reset procedure daily, something is VERY wrong. The worst cases I've seen merely required a simple power-cycle, which still interrupts most tcp sessions. That's what I think (very wrong). By power-cycle you mean un/replugging the DC cable? Ain't tried that yet. BTW, are you saying your device came with DD-WRT installed? I've not seen that -- even though the 54GL is linux-based, I am not using the stock firmware (gasp). Yes, came with dd-wrt firmware already flashed. Got it from JefaTech: http://www.jefatech.com/product/WRT54GL-DDWRT/WRT54GL_Wireless_Router_with_DDWRT.html. (Spent the extra 20 bux over market to get the one-year's support--though so far I've gotten more juice out of the ddwrt forums). Oh, and, yes, both my antennae are indoors, which is why I have 20% signal strength (not 20% bandwdith)... I got a few more points by futzing around with a semi-parabolic mesh screen (a round campfire-cover thing) placed as a reflector to directionalize about 1/3 of the omni signal it could be better, I might try a smaller deep-frying screen closer to the tip of the antenna. Only my remote (garage) bridge has this added, but I did raise my indoor base station up onto the wall near the ceiling. Both stations have dual antennae, so I could replace one on each and put in a nice pair of directional tin cans or proper yagis :) Was gonna try the cantenna thing--but found a Yagi for so cheap I couldn't resist. Hope it's kosher to post a snap of wise old Doctor Yagi: [image: the man] ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug Dr.HidetsuguYagi.jpg___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
D'oh! The first thing you need to do, if your [secondary] router is NOT getting it's IP address via a DHCP lease from the primary, is set it to a non-colliding address! It should have the same netmask, unless you've already got some routing plan in mind to over-ride the default bridging (leave the rest alone) but the two routers should definately not have the same IP on the same subnet -- no two devices ever should, shall I say under normal circumstances. Ben PS - did I get thread-jacked too? (...or aid abet this jacked thread?) I just reply to the most recent thread that interests me; I might've missed some of the other dd-wrt thread(s), sorry if so. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: This all reminds me of another quirk in my setup--namely that I can NOT communicate with my own router (to check configuration) when the client bridge connection is working. When I lose my internet connection, THEN I can log onto my router and get the dd-wrt config panels. Which means of course that I can't just switch to repeater bridge mode from client bridge. (Only way I can get to repeater bridge mode is to set it up from scratch, after a 30-30-30--and then it does not work). Have tried connecting to the default dd-wrt address of 192.168.1.1 while online--but I get my neighbor's (primary) router--which kinda feels like a major invasion of privacy and which I log off of instantly. Hell I can even log into his printer--but I can't log into my own router when I'm online. Weird, huh? Ben Barrett wrote: Cool beans. I used the latest stable DD-WRT firmware, v24-sp2 dated 10/22/08, is what I'm using on the secondary. I don't think the primary has to change any settings to get the secondary to go from client bridge to repeater bridge, but I think it might just have to give up the connection for a while (I power cycled my primary right away and got it on). So you might try repeater bridge before you power cycle, if you have some time to hang around. I don't know if it is an issue of the DHCP lease expiring from the primary (which is my only dhcp server on this lan, and which extends to the bridged network). Make sure you're not just running out of leases (you might have connectivity but not get allocated a dhcp lease). Best of luck, ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
Cool beans. I used the latest stable DD-WRT firmware, v24-sp2 dated 10/22/08, is what I'm using on the secondary. I don't think the primary has to change any settings to get the secondary to go from client bridge to repeater bridge, but I think it might just have to give up the connection for a while (I power cycled my primary right away and got it on). So you might try repeater bridge before you power cycle, if you have some time to hang around. I don't know if it is an issue of the DHCP lease expiring from the primary (which is my only dhcp server on this lan, and which extends to the bridged network). Make sure you're not just running out of leases (you might have connectivity but not get allocated a dhcp lease). Best of luck, Ben PS - futzing again here, noticed that a strainer behind my primary's antenna gained me a few points of signal quality, and my SNR is hovering around 15-17, which should at least get me to the megabit level. The noise is low but the signal is also low (that is noise is -94, good, while signal is -78, not so good). I might just switch both away from channel 11: various sites around me *all* use channel 11 :) IF I can bear to power cycle them both again, laughs. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:02 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: Oh, one thing I did in setting up the bridge, that I think I read afterward was a good idea, was to get the client bridge setup tested first, and then just switch it to repeater bridge. I had to power cycle the device (and my primary) after that last switch, but haven't had to reset either so far Yeah client bridge is the mode it's functioning in now and I did try that before attempting to switch to repeater bridge. The primary router is one part of this system I've never futzed with as it's about 100 yards away under my neighbor's desk and my/his feeling is if it ain't broke don't fix it. (Works fine for all the boxes in his network so I'm reticent to pull some trick that will make it work better on my end at the expense of messing up something on his). Oh, and fwiw, I never heard of doing the 30-30-30 when it comes to lockups, without trying a power cycle first. Power cycling is SO universal, most of us have a handful of dsl modems we'd rather not remember... Just unplug the cable for 10 seconds or more, depending on your aura, then plug it back in. Much much easier than the 30-30-30, which was the worst tech yoga I've had to perform in years X^/ Well the signal drop comes every 24 hours so it won't be long before I can try your power cycle advice And it ain't that I'm scared (much) of trying to upgrade my dd-wrt firmware to something fresher than V24--it's just that there are scores of them and they seem to change hourly. Thanx Ben, m ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] any dd-wrt users on the list?
Not sorry, just curious if the primary is at 192.168.5.1 and what level of networking experience you've got :) On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:00 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: OK I did that (reset my router to a unique address--namely 192.168.5.9) and as said when I'm NOT online--after I've lost my connection via client bridge--I can log into this address just fine and there's my router as I re-configured it after the hard reset. But while I'm ONline I can't communicate with it. Should I assume there's another router/device nearby with that same address? Wondered about this from the start--but also wondered if that were the case why I don't at least get a log in screen and request for name and password--but all I get is the network timeout screen with : The server at 192.168.5.9 is taking too long to respond. (Over and over again). Am also thinking (have to do this from memory since I can NOT communicate with my router's config screen now) that I too am running V24 sp2 firmware. You sorry you responded to this thread, Ben? Thanx heaps, m Ben Barrett wrote: D'oh! The first thing you need to do, if your [secondary] router is NOT getting it's IP address via a DHCP lease from the primary, is set it to a non-colliding address! It should have the same netmask, unless you've already got some routing plan in mind to over-ride the default bridging (leave the rest alone) but the two routers should definately not have the same IP on the same subnet -- no two devices ever should, shall I say under normal circumstances. Ben PS - did I get thread-jacked too? (...or aid abet this jacked thread?) I just reply to the most recent thread that interests me; I might've missed some of the other dd-wrt thread(s), sorry if so. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org mailto: mikem...@efn.org wrote: This all reminds me of another quirk in my setup--namely that I can NOT communicate with my own router (to check configuration) when the client bridge connection is working. When I lose my internet connection, THEN I can log onto my router and get the dd-wrt config panels. Which means of course that I can't just switch to repeater bridge mode from client bridge. (Only way I can get to repeater bridge mode is to set it up from scratch, after a 30-30-30--and then it does not work). Have tried connecting to the default dd-wrt address of 192.168.1.1 while online--but I get my neighbor's (primary) router--which kinda feels like a major invasion of privacy and which I log off of instantly. Hell I can even log into his printer--but I can't log into my own router when I'm online. Weird, huh? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Ben I think you nailed it
Yeah, you might want to read up on some basic networking too :) It could certainly be tied to the dhcp lease, but those expiration times are a useful thing, and the dhcp will auto-renew without any intervention under normal conditions. Good luck rtfm :) On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:41 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: ...with your mention of the DHCP lease. These are good for just 24 hours and that is just the interval at which I lose my connection. My current lease began this morning at 9:29; if it all goes away again same time tomorrow, I'll know. Thanx, m ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] inside NextStep
Having a customized linux may seem like a good idea to you, but if they have to hire you to support it, and you're the only one there who can support it, then it is a horrible idea for the business. They have to juggle a lot of resources, and people are the hardest part. I'm sure they'd appreciate seeing your work if you really wanted to volunteer it, but since you're more interested in the free-PC payoff, I doubt there's a trust-building relationship there for you. Why do we volunteer? If as you suggest there is so much energy in refurbishing old PC's with linux, then why isn't it happening? Is it bad management? Is it a lack of understanding of linux? Is it an inkling of just how much time we've seen get sunk in compatibility and driver issues? I don't think NextStep is necessarily going to be the #1 stop on a EUGLUG'ers list, but I'm sure many of us will continue to appreciate and support their presence in our community, whether we're busy trying to refurb curbed equipment or shopping at walmart :) One major difficulty I've seen with organizations that accept volunteer efforts, is the management of volunteers overall -- this is a very difficult task: streamlining for the average volunteer deciding how much specialization to allow for, and ensuring a safe/proper amount of oversight. Making these decisions, as well as implementing them, cost an organization a lot of resources! Well I hope at least some of this perspective is useful. In short, I say, it's a free country so by all means, go ahead and [try to] do it better yourself, and/or just keep exercising free speech in the meantime!! Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:23 PM, JS Kaplan kg...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:40:08 -0800 From: eug...@thebucks.net To: euglug@euglug.org Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] inside NextStep As Lorraine has said just about every time this subject has come up: They would like to offer more Linux options, but don't presently have the in-house knowledge and expertise to setup and coordinate a Linux-based build system. Perhaps your 40 hours of volunteer time could have been better spent if you are so passionate about the subject. Actually, I offered to streamline the puppy use for first cut in refurb. I offered to do a bunch of stuff. The person who would forward those offers up the food chain is more interested in, well let's just say he's not interested in someone (eg ME) who requires little to no training in certain areas. It's politics man plain and simple. I offered myself part-time at minimum wage and was waved off with no reason. So, the no in-house excuse doesn't hold water. ...it was 30 hours until a week or so ago. FYI: The Bottle Bill covers water and flavored water as of January 1. So, where do I get the stickers for the 857 plastics shipped after Jan 1 I have? As far as I know, you can only get them if your name is Coca-cola or Pepsi. You are working under the assumption that our bottle bill works. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug -- Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Ben I think you nailed it
If the netmask is set to 255.255.255.0, as is common, then you can only change the last digit... to put it simply. It would be pretty safe to assume the primary's netmask is indeed that, so you'd do well to stay within the 192.168.1.* subnet, at least between the bridge and the primary -- you could define your own subnet and do dhcp for it on your secondary, bridge, device (at least on the wired ports, I know). And in case we still have other readers on this thread: I found that dd-wrt will work with vlans, and let you filter them, but the wlan is locked into a single vlan from what I can tell. I'm curious, but haven't tested trying to see if a varying (say, rogue or just random) vlan tags get over-written by dd-wrt or hardware when they route through the lan... anyone tried that? Thanks, Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: If there's a handbook of basic networking I'd love to read it. Every source on network principles I've tried so far quickly loses me and itself in geek speak--which I'm sure reads like esperanto to the initiated . Am still on the hunt for a basic set of instructions--and meanwhile have learned more from gurus like yourself who are willing to offer advice than from anything I've managed to glean from the literature. (Setup so far is based on a literal following of the instruction primers in the dd-wrt wiki). Thanx Ben--and especially for the tip on the proper numbering of the IP address. Someone else suggested the 192.168.5-something and I didn't know enough to realize this departs from the rule. m Ben Barrett wrote: Yeah, you might want to read up on some basic networking too :) It could certainly be tied to the dhcp lease, but those expiration times are a useful thing, and the dhcp will auto-renew without any intervention under normal conditions. Good luck rtfm :) ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] Ben I think you nailed it
If you could be sure you were setting a static IP which was *outside* the range of addresses being handed out by the primary, that should work, however you don't know what the primary settings are, so I guess just experiment. Now if your daily loss of connectivity is indeed due to a failure of the primary to renew the dhcp lease it gave to the secondary, setting static should avoid that problem, however who knows what other daily problems the primary router has? It could be resetting due to power fluctuations on the same ciruit that kick on at that time each day, or possibly some other network traffic jams it up. If you can, try to ensure that the primary device has its latest firmware (shouldn't be any need for custom firmware, just get the latest from the mfg). Well glad I could help. From the looks of this thread's activity, we coulda done this offline, but maybe my explanations will help someone in the archives death to connection not found! Ben On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:00 PM, dooger watts mikem...@efn.org wrote: Sweet. Can't wait to try this in the morning (when my lease expires). From what you describe it sounds as if my secondary IS getting its IP address automatically from the primary. If I set the IP of the secondary to a static address of my own, would this lease thing go away--or open up a whole 'nother can of worms? Grateful, Ben, m Ben Barrett wrote: If the netmask is set to 255.255.255.0, as is common, then you can only change the last digit... to put it simply. It would be pretty safe to assume the primary's netmask is indeed that, so you'd do well to stay within the 192.168.1.* subnet, at least between the bridge and the primary -- you could define your own subnet and do dhcp for it on your secondary, bridge, device (at least on the wired ports, I know). ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] hello all, and a question about WoW....
Do they still offer more-recent (read: commercial grade) code in the CVS for free? IIRC, when directx support was brewing, they had commercial-equivalent stuff for free, for those who could deal with a cvs co and configure/make :) Ben On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Mr O notanathe...@yahoo.com wrote: You shouldn't *need* Cedega. From what I've heard WoW works quite well with regular WINE. I tend to only play FPS games with linux clients. If I had time I'd try to install WoW. Maybe on a meeting sometime. --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Gmail battleshipte...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gmail battleshipte...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] hello all, and a question about WoW To: spencer carter spenc...@uoregon.edu, Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:42 AM You need cedega at transgaming.com it is a pay service I play wow and I got it to work just did not like paying. Sent from my iPod On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, spencer carter spenc...@uoregon.edu wrote: First off hello to everyone! i would like to thank you all for your help in getting my machine up and runnin. for those who dont know me, lets jsut say im new to this hahaha so far i really like ubuntu, im running 8.10 and its great!!! one huge fall back is that i cannot play world of warcraft right now!!! i have googled it and tried running the commands through vine and on terminal, and still no luck, i have tried the method of copying the entire installer cd onto desktop and then try to run that exe and still no luck. any ideas? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] ls script help
If the file is mounted via FUSE, you can prolly get more control from userland (ie, sans root)... Ben On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Duncan ddun...@hexi.com wrote: You could change runlevel to single-user mode, or change it inside a virtual machine instance that thinks it's a different time, or tar it/bit fiddle the entry/untar it, or boot from a livecd/mount the harddisk/change time/touch, etc. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:03 AM, horst ho...@freeshell.org wrote: I don't accept this as an aswer :-) My question was about arbitrarily changing the ctime of a file, or larger set of files. Down to the second, to the integer in the file stat structure. Like with touch with a time argument, or -r referenceFile. Like with touch and the -a or -m arguments -- I was asking for a -c argument! To achive that manually by changing the system time sounds like playing a video game, hit-and-miss. Plus other files may get stampd unintentionally during that period, and log entries may be created. - Horst Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:39:43 -0800 From: Alan eug...@thebucks.net Reply-To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] ls script help Mike Cherba wrote: On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 00:17 -0800, Alan wrote: Which apparently doesn't change the ctime on linux. Yup. Which is why you change the system time. Ccime is maintained by the system for good reasons. I know I have used a *nix in the past 10 years in which touch could change the ctime. A bastardized version of SCO, maybe? It's now going to bug me until I figure it out. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
