Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
*Revolution OS* and *The Code* are two examples. These are dated and are nothing that would excite the majority of long-term Linux users. I never had the access to these documentaries, so it's entertaining for me to hear the original players discuss their intent. In contrast to the claw-back that commercial media is bringing to the web. On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Robert Solovay solo...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give the titles of the documentaries you liked? On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: www.topdocumentaryfilms.com has a lot of this sort of stuff; some history of Linux documentaries that I found interesting. I keep seeing a common theme, technologists want a better world, then the bean counters find a way to extort from the popular implementation of better technology. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org wrote: Woah. Will send a query to the fellow who shared this with me and see if he knows how to access this show. It is fairly recent and I still have hopes of our local PBS affiliate picking it up On 7/21/2011 12:49 PM, BB wrote: Well, too bad that didn't stay up longer. I was going to watch that again. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Could you give the titles of the documentaries you liked? On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:44 PM, BB bilbobag...@gmail.com wrote: www.topdocumentaryfilms.com has a lot of this sort of stuff; some history of Linux documentaries that I found interesting. I keep seeing a common theme, technologists want a better world, then the bean counters find a way to extort from the popular implementation of better technology. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org wrote: Woah. Will send a query to the fellow who shared this with me and see if he knows how to access this show. It is fairly recent and I still have hopes of our local PBS affiliate picking it up On 7/21/2011 12:49 PM, BB wrote: Well, too bad that didn't stay up longer. I was going to watch that again. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Well, too bad that didn't stay up longer. I was going to watch that again. On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:14 PM, seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org wrote: With no wish to hijack the thread please lemme post links to a show y'all have prob'ly seen long since but which I found engaging. It's a BBC docu- by Adam Curtis called All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace and it posits that we've been colonized by the very machines we built to help us. (There's a cogent remark on 'social networking' that was made a decade before it became the latest rage): part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2j3BhL47c part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq0xVuRG4ng part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJYkkxh0rk ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Woah. Will send a query to the fellow who shared this with me and see if he knows how to access this show. It is fairly recent and I still have hopes of our local PBS affiliate picking it up On 7/21/2011 12:49 PM, BB wrote: Well, too bad that didn't stay up longer. I was going to watch that again. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
www.topdocumentaryfilms.com has a lot of this sort of stuff; some history of Linux documentaries that I found interesting. I keep seeing a common theme, technologists want a better world, then the bean counters find a way to extort from the popular implementation of better technology. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:07 PM, seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org wrote: Woah. Will send a query to the fellow who shared this with me and see if he knows how to access this show. It is fairly recent and I still have hopes of our local PBS affiliate picking it up On 7/21/2011 12:49 PM, BB wrote: Well, too bad that didn't stay up longer. I was going to watch that again. ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
[Eug-lug] means to and end?
I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
I am relatively new to the group (also went to ITProForum for the first time last night) so take my opinion with a grain of salt… I had been meaning to come to meetings for quite some time but it's easy for a time and date to get lost in a flurry of email. If there was a Facebook event people got invited to, as well as regular reminders on Google+ and/or Twitter, it might help other people like me actually make it to a meeting once in a while. That said, I think those things should be used primarily to promote the group rather than making them yet another venue for discussion… at work our tech group has a mailing list, a blog, a wiki and probably something else I am forgetting. There is no clear purpose for one or the other, so communication is pretty fragmented and people use one or the other depending on personal preference. I would not want to see that happen here. To sum it up: I like the idea if it stays focused and doesn't pull activity away from this list. Thanks for listening! David On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ben Barrett wrote: I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org (mailto:euglug@euglug.org) http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Oh, that's a good point. Meetup has gotten very popular. Are we okay with popular/populist outlets and tools? It does seem to go against the grain of the spirit of our movement... Ben On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:51 PM, David Nelson da...@davidnelson.net wrote: I am relatively new to the group (also went to ITProForum for the first time last night) so take my opinion with a grain of salt… I had been meaning to come to meetings for quite some time but it's easy for a time and date to get lost in a flurry of email. If there was a Facebook event people got invited to, as well as regular reminders on Google+ and/or Twitter, it might help other people like me actually make it to a meeting once in a while. That said, I think those things should be used primarily to promote the group rather than making them yet another venue for discussion… at work our tech group has a mailing list, a blog, a wiki and probably something else I am forgetting. There is no clear purpose for one or the other, so communication is pretty fragmented and people use one or the other depending on personal preference. I would not want to see that happen here. To sum it up: I like the idea if it stays focused and doesn't pull activity away from this list. Thanks for listening! David On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ben Barrett wrote: I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, that's a good point. Meetup has gotten very popular. Are we okay with popular/populist outlets and tools? It does seem to go against the grain of the spirit of our movement... I don't think anyone has a problem with your using meetup to publicise the groups activity. I think it might be a good idea to revive the Monthly linux meetings with a Topic and Speaker? Is anyone on the list interested on presenting technical talks on Linux, Unix or Open Source Software? ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
In my opinion any tools that get used should be ones that people access on a regular basis, or where the data can be aggregated to the reader of your choice. For example I see Facebook, Twitter and Google+ every day on my phone and get push notifications of new messages and invitations. I don't really know how Meetup works (have never used it) but if the service sends me an email announcement once, then it's not really an improvement over someone writing about it on the list. :) This makes me think though, what if there was Google Calendar (or some other calendar that is shareable and viewable in .ics format) so that people can subscribe in the iCalendar reader of their choice? David On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Ben Barrett wrote: Oh, that's a good point. Meetup has gotten very popular. Are we okay with popular/populist outlets and tools? It does seem to go against the grain of the spirit of our movement... Ben On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:51 PM, David Nelson da...@davidnelson.net (mailto:da...@davidnelson.net) wrote: I am relatively new to the group (also went to ITProForum for the first time last night) so take my opinion with a grain of salt… I had been meaning to come to meetings for quite some time but it's easy for a time and date to get lost in a flurry of email. If there was a Facebook event people got invited to, as well as regular reminders on Google+ and/or Twitter, it might help other people like me actually make it to a meeting once in a while. That said, I think those things should be used primarily to promote the group rather than making them yet another venue for discussion… at work our tech group has a mailing list, a blog, a wiki and probably something else I am forgetting. There is no clear purpose for one or the other, so communication is pretty fragmented and people use one or the other depending on personal preference. I would not want to see that happen here. To sum it up: I like the idea if it stays focused and doesn't pull activity away from this list. Thanks for listening! David On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ben Barrett wrote: I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org (mailto:euglug@euglug.org) http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org (mailto:euglug@euglug.org) http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org (mailto:euglug@euglug.org) http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
With no wish to hijack the thread please lemme post links to a show y'all have prob'ly seen long since but which I found engaging. It's a BBC docu- by Adam Curtis called All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace and it posits that we've been colonized by the very machines we built to help us. (There's a cogent remark on 'social networking' that was made a decade before it became the latest rage): part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2j3BhL47c part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq0xVuRG4ng part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJYkkxh0rk ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Watching this and loving it. Thanks for the post! lorraine -Original Message- From: seymoor nates mikem...@efn.org Reply-To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:14:11 -0700 To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group euglug@euglug.org Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end? With no wish to hijack the thread please lemme post links to a show y'all have prob'ly seen long since but which I found engaging. It's a BBC docu- by Adam Curtis called All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace and it posits that we've been colonized by the very machines we built to help us. (There's a cogent remark on 'social networking' that was made a decade before it became the latest rage): part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2j3BhL47c part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq0xVuRG4ng part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXJYkkxh0rk ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
Kool--makes up for my snotty posts about face... Don't you love the Ayn Rand stuff? All those silicon valley dweebs naming their children after her . . . Just spoke with a young man who bragged that she's his favorite author. Tried not to cringe--but I did turn and stare at him--till I remembered that I was really into her for about three months a few decades ago. On 7/20/2011 4:36 PM, Lorraine Kerwood wrote: Watching this and loving it. Thanks for the post! lorraine ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
I think we should use social networking like we've used the web, newsgroups, and conventions and meetings. It would be great if we could tap in to radio or TV, but we havnt had anyone venture into those areas. Its a way to engage the public, inform them, and bring interested people to the lug. (mailing list/meetings). On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ben Barrett stircrazy...@gmail.com wrote: I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? It seems to me that we're free to carry on and be unique as members, of course, but that we might want to agree as a group about some of this. There doesn't seem to be much interest in growing the group, lately; maybe this is because the ITProForum is filling the hungry niche, or everyone's busy working and linux is no longer just for the zealous. Curious, Ben ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
Re: [Eug-lug] means to and end?
On Wed, July 20, 2011 3:17 pm, Ben Barrett wrote: I wish to ask the group: (as in, whomever cares to read, consider, and respond) Do we as a group want to use social networks to further the group itself? euglug is an anarcho-syndicalist commune so no approval is needed to do any sort of outreach. I would note that it would be polite to keep el Presidente Miller informed of what you are up to, as well as giving a heads up to our gracious host if you expect a large influx at a weekly meeting. Also, if you are going to do something like this, be sure to commit to at least a year of upkeep. Nothing sucks more than out of date information on projects that see a brief frenzy of activity. -ajb ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
