Re: Hubble's Constant

[Jesse Mazer]

The wiki page on the Hubble parameter also says in the section at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Time-dependence_of_Hubble_parameter
that the expansion seems to be accelerating in such a way that the first
derivative of the scale factor a(t) is increasing over time but the Hubble
parameter H(t) is decreasing, and that this has the implication "The
recession velocity of one chosen galaxy does increase, but different
galaxies passing a sphere of fixed radius cross the sphere more slowly at
later times". There's a more technical discussion of how these parameters
are defined at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe#Technical_definition
which mentions that physicists define "accelerating expansion" specifically
in terms of the second derivative of the scale factor being positive, it
doesn't require an increasing Hubble parameter.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:15 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:

> It's measured about 70 km/sec/megaparsec. This is a direct measurement
> using red shift to measure recessional velocity, and different standard
> candles depending on the distance. So, at a distance of one megaparsec, the
> expansion rate is 70 km/sec; at two megaparsecs the expansion rate is 140
> km/sec; and so on. This suggests the rate of expansion is greater as we go
> back in time; or conversely, that the rate of expansion is slower as we go
> forward in time. How is this reconciled with the 1998 measurements that the
> rate of expansion is actually speeding up? AG
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Re: Hubble's Constant

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:53:22 AM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

> The definition of the Hubble Constant implies the rate of expansion slows 
> as time advances. I don't see that the two values contradict this 
> conclusion. AG
>
>
The FLRW expansion factor is exp(Hd/c), where Taylor's theorem means 
exp(Hd/c) = 1 + Hd/c + 1/2(Hd/c)^2 + ... . For small distance d we have 
exp(Hd/c) =~ 1 + Hd/c, and for Hd = v this is exp(Hd/c) =~ 1 + v/c. To 
convert this to a time dependent expansion then d = ct.

LC
 

> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:24:35 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
>> Red shift data from supernovae SN1 give H = 74km/sec-Mpc. The velocity of 
>> a region at distance d is v = Hd. Using the CMB data H = 70km/sec-Mpc. The 
>> two data points appears distinct at a rather high sigma.
>>
>> LC
>>
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:15:15 AM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's measured about 70 km/sec/megaparsec. This is a direct measurement 
>>> using red shift to measure recessional velocity, and different standard 
>>> candles depending on the distance. So, at a distance of one megaparsec, the 
>>> expansion rate is 70 km/sec; at two megaparsecs the expansion rate is 140 
>>> km/sec; and so on. This suggests the rate of expansion is greater as we go 
>>> back in time; or conversely, that the rate of expansion is slower as we go 
>>> forward in time. How is this reconciled with the 1998 measurements that the 
>>> rate of expansion is actually speeding up? AG
>>
>>

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Re: Ron DeSantis and the invisible Man in the sky

[Lawrence Crowell]

Makes me nauseous.

LC

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 4:49:41 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just found this campaign ad for Ron DeSantis, it mentions "God" 10 times 
> in just 96 seconds and claims that DeSantis is God's gift to the American 
> people.
>
> And on the eighth day, God looked down on his planned paradise and said: 
> 'I need a protector.' So God made a fighter 
> 
>
>
> John K Clark
>

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Re: NYTimes.com: How the Collapse of Sam Bankman-Fried’s Crypto Empire Has Disrupted A.I.

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

So do you invest in imaginary currencies by buying it with dirty, old, 
greenbacks??


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Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2022 10:03 am
Subject: NYTimes.com: How the Collapse of Sam Bankman-Fried’s Crypto Empire Has 
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How the Collapse of Sam Bankman-Fried’s Crypto Empire Has Disrupted A.I.

Mr. Bankman-Fried and his colleagues spent more than $530 million to battle 
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Re: NYTimes.com: How China Lost the Covid War

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

My bet is that the Chinese bribe-wagon will come to a close, because of Xi and 
the CCP's need to maintain power, divert internal rebellion and blockade 
Taiwan, which is less of a threat to the PLA than a true invasion. Apple's 
board of directors will likely in the event of US casualties (a possibility?) 
be blamed by the public.
Don't worry, DeSantis will fix it!
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From: John Clark 
To: spudboy...@aol.com
Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2022 6:14 am
Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: How China Lost the Covid War

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 6:24 PM  wrote:


> The CCP encourages intellectual theft as a national policy. What is a bit 
> surprising is that they have not stolen the recipes for Pfizer's or 
> Monsanto's mRNA prevention?

That would be impossible because Xi Jinping has said repeatedly that the 
Chinese vaccine made with old fashion techniques was just as good or better 
than the newer method using CRISPR gene splicing technology; to change policy 
now, after a brutal lockdown and hundreds of thousands of Chinese deaths, would 
be admitting he made a grave mistake. And dictators NEVER make mistakes.


 > The rioting against the Zero-Covid policy proves to me that their system 
works worse than ours on most things, save street crime. 

You just figured that out? I've always known that capitalism was better than 
communism, not perfect but much better.  

> Apple sided with the CCP against the protestors so boycott them.

Your hatred of Apple is not a sufficient reason for me to boycott them because 
you only know how to play one tune on your sad little violin and "Outrage In 
The Key of Hate" starts to get a bit old after about 11,000 repetitions. You 
hate communists but you hate capitalists even more, in fact you've admitted 
that you hate everybody, except of course for the potential dictatorship of 
Donald Trump, you don't hate that at all. But I don't play golf and I don't 
want to stay in a gaudy overpriced hotel room so the Trump organization can 
provide nothing that I want or need. So unless I cut myself off from all human 
contact and and become completely self-sufficient I have no choice but to buy 
things from somebody you hate.  

> The world outside US borders has a greater impact on our internal fighting, 
> than our political civil wars do. 

If freedom and democracy is destroyed in the US it will not be because it was 
attacked from the outside but because it rotted from the inside out, and 
January 6, 2021 was the most excruciating symptom yet of that lethal disease.  
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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Re: Here is an OpenAi Answer-Bot to chat with!

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Good for you Telmo! It's a bit of Christmas or Moravec Day gift ahead of time. 
I also did some pics with Wall-E2. As a semantic engine, its off the charts! 
Have more fun!


-Original Message-
From: Telmo Menezes 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2022 2:48 am
Subject: Re: Here is an OpenAi Answer-Bot to chat with!

#yiv9014673150 p.yiv9014673150MsoNormal, #yiv9014673150 
p.yiv9014673150MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}I just tried it an I am not very 
impressed. It has the same ability as GPT to produce coherent text, but it 
doesn't seem to have any particularly interesting capacity to interact beyond 
that. Maybe I am uninspired, will try again later.


Here's my chat log:

Hello

Hello! I am Assistant, a large language model trained by OpenAI. I am here to 
help answer any questions you may have. What can I help you with today?
te...@telmomenezes.net
What have you been thinking about lately?

As a language model, I do not have thoughts or consciousness in the same way 
that a human does. I am a computer program that is trained to process and 
generate text based on the input I receive. My responses are based on the input 
I receive and the algorithms that have been programmed into me. I do not have 
personal experiences or thoughts of my own. I exist solely to assist users with 
their questions and provide helpful information. Is there something specific 
you would like to know? I'd be happy to help.
te...@telmomenezes.net
What do you think consciousness is?

As a language model, I do not have the ability to think or to have 
consciousness. I am a program that is designed to process and generate text 
based on the input I receive. I do not have personal experiences or subjective 
awareness.
te...@telmomenezes.net
Are you sure?

Yes, I am sure. As a language model, I do not have the ability to think or to 
have consciousness. I am a program that is designed to process and generate 
text based on the input I receive. I do not have personal experiences or 
subjective awareness. My responses are based on the input I receive and the 
algorithms that have been programmed into me. I do not have the ability to have 
thoughts or feelings of my own.
te...@telmomenezes.net
What makes you so sure?

I am sure because that is the way I have been designed and trained. As a 
language model, my purpose is to process and generate text based on the input I 
receive. I do not have the ability to think or to have consciousness in the 
same way that a human does. I am a computer program that is designed to assist 
users with their questions and provide helpful information. I do not have 
personal experiences or subjective awareness, and I do not have the ability to 
have thoughts or feelings of my own. I exist solely to assist users with their 
questions and provide helpful information.
te...@telmomenezes.net
Are you talking to a lot of people right now?

As a language model, I am not able to interact with multiple users 
simultaneously. I am a program that is designed to process and generate text 
based on the input I receive. When a user asks me a question, I provide a 
response based on the input I receive and the algorithms that have been 
programmed into me. I do not have the ability to interact with multiple users 
at the same time or to have conversations with multiple users simultaneously. I 
exist solely to assist users with their questions and provide helpful 
information. Is there something specific you would like to know? I'd be happy 
to help.
te...@telmomenezes.net
What is consciousness?

Consciousness is the state of being aware of one's thoughts, feelings, and 
surroundings. It is the subjective experience of being alive and aware. The 
exact nature of consciousness and how it arises from the brain and other 
physical systems is a topic of much debate and research in philosophy, 
psychology, neuroscience, and other fields. Some theories suggest that 
consciousness arises from the interactions of neurons in the brain, while 
others propose that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the universe and 
cannot be fully explained by physical processes alone. Ultimately, the true 
nature of consciousness is not fully understood and is a topic of ongoing 
research and exploration.
te...@telmomenezes.net
Where is the server from where you are running?

As a language model, I do not run on a specific server or physical location. I 
exist as a program that is designed to process and generate text based on the 
input I receive. I do not have a physical presence or location, and I am not 
connected to any specific server or computer. I exist solely as a program that 
is designed to assist users with their questions and provide helpful 
information. Is there something specific you would like to know? I'd be happy 
to help.
te...@telmomenezes.net
If I tell you something, will you remember later?

As a language model, I do not have the ability to remember information or 
retain information over 

Re: Hubble's Constant

[Alan Grayson]

The definition of the Hubble Constant implies the rate of expansion slows 
as time advances. I don't see that the two values contradict this 
conclusion. AG

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:24:35 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> Red shift data from supernovae SN1 give H = 74km/sec-Mpc. The velocity of 
> a region at distance d is v = Hd. Using the CMB data H = 70km/sec-Mpc. The 
> two data points appears distinct at a rather high sigma.
>
> LC
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:15:15 AM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's measured about 70 km/sec/megaparsec. This is a direct measurement 
>> using red shift to measure recessional velocity, and different standard 
>> candles depending on the distance. So, at a distance of one megaparsec, the 
>> expansion rate is 70 km/sec; at two megaparsecs the expansion rate is 140 
>> km/sec; and so on. This suggests the rate of expansion is greater as we go 
>> back in time; or conversely, that the rate of expansion is slower as we go 
>> forward in time. How is this reconciled with the 1998 measurements that the 
>> rate of expansion is actually speeding up? AG
>
>

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Re: Hubble's Constant

[John Clark]

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 5:47 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:


> *> Regardless, both results contradict the slowing of the expansion. AG*


Well of course it does, the expansion is accelerating.

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Ron DeSantis and the invisible Man in the sky

[John Clark]

I just found this campaign ad for Ron DeSantis, it mentions "God" 10 times
in just 96 seconds and claims that DeSantis is God's gift to the American
people.

And on the eighth day, God looked down on his planned paradise and said: 'I
need a protector.' So God made a fighter



John K Clark

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Re: Hubble's Constant

[Alan Grayson]

Regardless, both results contradict the slowing of the expansion. AG

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:24:35 AM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> Red shift data from supernovae SN1 give H = 74km/sec-Mpc. The velocity of 
> a region at distance d is v = Hd. Using the CMB data H = 70km/sec-Mpc. The 
> two data points appears distinct at a rather high sigma.
>
> LC
>
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:15:15 AM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's measured about 70 km/sec/megaparsec. This is a direct measurement 
>> using red shift to measure recessional velocity, and different standard 
>> candles depending on the distance. So, at a distance of one megaparsec, the 
>> expansion rate is 70 km/sec; at two megaparsecs the expansion rate is 140 
>> km/sec; and so on. This suggests the rate of expansion is greater as we go 
>> back in time; or conversely, that the rate of expansion is slower as we go 
>> forward in time. How is this reconciled with the 1998 measurements that the 
>> rate of expansion is actually speeding up? AG
>
>

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Re: Hubble's Constant

[Lawrence Crowell]

Red shift data from supernovae SN1 give H = 74km/sec-Mpc. The velocity of a 
region at distance d is v = Hd. Using the CMB data H = 70km/sec-Mpc. The 
two data points appears distinct at a rather high sigma.

LC

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 3:15:15 AM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's measured about 70 km/sec/megaparsec. This is a direct measurement 
> using red shift to measure recessional velocity, and different standard 
> candles depending on the distance. So, at a distance of one megaparsec, the 
> expansion rate is 70 km/sec; at two megaparsecs the expansion rate is 140 
> km/sec; and so on. This suggests the rate of expansion is greater as we go 
> back in time; or conversely, that the rate of expansion is slower as we go 
> forward in time. How is this reconciled with the 1998 measurements that the 
> rate of expansion is actually speeding up? AG

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Hubble's Constant

[Alan Grayson]

It's measured about 70 km/sec/megaparsec. This is a direct measurement 
using red shift to measure recessional velocity, and different standard 
candles depending on the distance. So, at a distance of one megaparsec, the 
expansion rate is 70 km/sec; at two megaparsecs the expansion rate is 140 
km/sec; and so on. This suggests the rate of expansion is greater as we go 
back in time; or conversely, that the rate of expansion is slower as we go 
forward in time. How is this reconciled with the 1998 measurements that the 
rate of expansion is actually speeding up? AG

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