Re: Ethan Siegel the star gazer says that despite dark matter the universe ain't expanding faster

[Jesse Mazer]

Ethan Siegel just seems to be using non-standard terminology here to
express the same results that have been known for a long time--he says that
what he means is that "the expansion rate — also known as the Hubble
constant/parameter — still decreases" even though "each individual object
that’s receding from us will recede at faster and faster speeds as time
goes on". If you look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe#Technical_definition
they say that cosmologist typically define "accelerating expansion" to mean
the second derivative of the scale factor a(t) is positive, meaning the
scale factor is increasing with time, and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Time-dependence_of_Hubble_parameter
notes that it's quite possible for the scale factor a(t) to increase with
time while the Hubble parameter H(t) is decreasing, and in fact that's what
observations suggest is happening (as Siegel points out). The article even
notes that one implication of this is that "The recession velocity of one
chosen galaxy does increase, but different galaxies passing a sphere of
fixed radius cross the sphere more slowly at later times".

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 7:38 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
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> So who the hell is messing with the universe!?? Oh, ok, sorry sir!
>
> WTF? The Universe's expansion rate isn't accelerating? - Big Think
> 
>
> Seems, that, if accurate, the universe is altering things, or more,
> likely; our equipment is getting better, and we are thus obtaining more
> accurate results? Or is the Universe aware and likes to communicate with
> astronomers and physicists and is trying to get their attention?  The
> Autodidactic Universe - INSPIRE (inspirehep.net)
> 
>
> Me not know because me just a slobbering, peasant-serf type, a-slobbering
> over various science articles in mindless, incredulity.
> Hey, if this is correct, then, God really likes the smart people. This
> should cheer you all up.
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Re: Ethan Siegel the star gazer says that despite dark matter the universe ain't expanding faster

[Samiya Illias]

Days of Allah 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2016/05/days-of-allah.html 


> On 08-Jan-2023, at 5:38 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So who the hell is messing with the universe!?? Oh, ok, sorry sir!
> 
> WTF? The Universe's expansion rate isn't accelerating? - Big Think
> 
> Seems, that, if accurate, the universe is altering things, or more, likely; 
> our equipment is getting better, and we are thus obtaining more accurate 
> results? Or is the Universe aware and likes to communicate with astronomers 
> and physicists and is trying to get their attention?  The Autodidactic 
> Universe - INSPIRE (inspirehep.net)
> 
> Me not know because me just a slobbering, peasant-serf type, a-slobbering 
> over various science articles in mindless, incredulity. 
> Hey, if this is correct, then, God really likes the smart people. This should 
> cheer you all up.
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Samiya Illias]

Teleology: A purpose-built Universe? 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/teleology-purpose-built-universe.html
 

Snails, Slugs & The Devolution of Adam 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/12/snails-slugs-devolution-of-adam.html
 

The Fig, The Olive, Tur of Sinai & The Secure Land 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/06/the-fig-olive-tur-of-sinai-secure-land.html
 

> On 08-Jan-2023, at 5:25 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Possible meta goal of the Universe?

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Ethan Siegel the star gazer says that despite dark matter the universe ain't expanding faster

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

So who the hell is messing with the universe!?? Oh, ok, sorry sir!
WTF? The Universe's expansion rate isn't accelerating? - Big Think

Seems, that, if accurate, the universe is altering things, or more, likely; our 
equipment is getting better, and we are thus obtaining more accurate results? 
Or is the Universe aware and likes to communicate with astronomers and 
physicists and is trying to get their attention?  The Autodidactic Universe - 
INSPIRE (inspirehep.net)
Me not know because me just a slobbering, peasant-serf type, a-slobbering over 
various science articles in mindless, incredulity. Hey, if this is correct, 
then, God really likes the smart people. This should cheer you all up.

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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

There certainly have been people who have proposed non-traditional origins of 
God, aka, the first mind, the big mind, who don't necessarily bunk with Thomas 
Aquinas's views. Naturalist writers have proposed naturalist explanations for 
the Big Mind. 20 years ago  

Some are physicists, some philosophers, some are both.
Does God emerge from Boltzmann Brains in the fabric of reality? | by Giulio 
Prisco | Turing Church

1412.7544.pdf (arxiv.org)

Boltzmann brain - Wikipedia

Cosmopsychism explains why the Universe is fine-tuned for life | Aeon Essays

dalle-mini/dalle-mini · Was the Universe created by a Boltzmann Brain? 
(huggingface.co)

God and the Multiverse: Scientific, Philosophical, and Theological Perspectives 
| Reviews | Notre Dame Philosophical Reviews | University of Notre Dame

My only weak, point, is that if one holds The Creator as a Perfectionist, well, 
that all the more reason to be a happy atheist.
It's Ok, fine. I see no problem. I am good with the quote from The Buddha who 
wrote, "If you are traveling a path in the forest and The Buddha stands in your 
way, strike him down." In other words, if you have a better way than mine, 
don't let me stop you!
Possible meta goal of the Universe? Evolve species which ensure that entropy 
doesn't win by building machines, which then build better machines, which then 
manage entropy. Is this a top priority for this mailing-list? I'd say, lets 
back-burner it, at least until we get solar power and batteries up and running 
in most places in the world. First things first. 

Kudos to Ludwig.

-Original Message-
From: Brent Meeker 
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2023 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

 If there's a God then human beings could exist miraculously in a universe that 
did not support their existence naturally.  Existing miraculously would be 
evidence for God's existence.  The universe does support their existence 
non-miraculously.  The same data can't be evidence for a proposition and it's 
contrary.  So our "fine-tuned" existence cannot count as evidence for God.
 
 Brent
 
 On 1/7/2023 4:23 AM, John Clark wrote:
  
 
  On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:
   
  
 > Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an interesting 
 > idea.
  
 
  
https://mindmatters.ai/2022/12/has-a-superintellect-monkeyed-with-our-universes-physics-2/
   
 
  If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our universe 
seems to be fine tuned for biological life is easily explained; by contrast the 
God hypothesis makes things even harder to explain because if the universe 
needs to be fine tuned for a lowly human to exist then it must be even more 
finely tuned for an omniscient omnipotent being to exist.   
  
> According to Hoyle, it may be factual? 
 
  Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" is one 
of my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his speculations about 
Evolution and biology were amateurish if not downright dumb.   John K Clark    
See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
   cq9 
   
  

 
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Brent Meeker]

If there's a God then human beings could exist miraculously in a 
universe that did not support their existence naturally.  Existing 
miraculously would be evidence for God's existence.  The universe does 
support their existence non-miraculously.  The same data can't be 
evidence for a proposition and it's contrary.  So our "fine-tuned" 
existence cannot count as evidence for God.


Brent

On 1/7/2023 4:23 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
 wrote:


>///Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an
interesting idea.
/


https://mindmatters.ai/2022/12/has-a-superintellect-monkeyed-with-our-universes-physics-2/


If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our 
universe seems to be fine tuned for biological life is easily 
explained; by contrast the God hypothesis makes things even harder to 
explain because if the universe needs to be fine tuned for a lowly 
human to exist then it must be even more finely tuned for an 
omniscient omnipotent being to exist.


/> According to Hoyle, it may be factual? /


Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" 
is one of my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his 
speculations about Evolution and biology were amateurish if not 
downright dumb.
 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis 


cq9



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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[Samiya Illias]

Gamma Rays, Visible Light & The Electromagnetic Spectrum 
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/11/gamma-rays-visible-light.html 


> On 07-Jan-2023, at 5:24 PM, John Clark  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> > Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an interesting 
>> > idea.
>> 
>> 
>> https://mindmatters.ai/2022/12/has-a-superintellect-monkeyed-with-our-universes-physics-2/
> 
> If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our universe 
> seems to be fine tuned for biological life is easily explained; by contrast 
> the God hypothesis makes things even harder to explain because if the 
> universe needs to be fine tuned for a lowly human to exist then it must be 
> even more finely tuned for an omniscient omnipotent being to exist.  
> 
>> > According to Hoyle, it may be factual? 
> 
> Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" is one 
> of my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his speculations about 
> Evolution and biology were amateurish if not downright dumb. 
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> cq9
> 
> 
>> 
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Re: On The Super Intellect and the cosmos

[John Clark]

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:44 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> *Naw, this ain't about John Clark, this is about considering an
> interesting idea.*
>
>
> https://mindmatters.ai/2022/12/has-a-superintellect-monkeyed-with-our-universes-physics-2/
>

If Everett's Many Worlds hypothesis is true then the reason our universe
seems to be fine tuned for biological life is easily explained; by contrast
the God hypothesis makes things even harder to explain because if the
universe needs to be fine tuned for a lowly human to exist then it must be
even more finely tuned for an omniscient omnipotent being to exist.

*> According to Hoyle, it may be factual? *


Fred Hoyle was a great astrophysicist and his book "The Black Cloud" is one
of my favorite science fiction novels of all time, but his speculations
about Evolution and biology were amateurish if not downright dumb.
 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

cq9



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Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

[John Clark]

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:13 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:

 >> we have never seen even a hint of ET or his engineering and there are
>> only 2 viable explanations for that:
>
> *1)* For some unknown reason life is unable to make a significant impact
>> on the universe.
>>
> *2) *The observable universe is finite so somebody has to be the first,
>> and we are it.
>
>

 > *Or 3) No industrialized civilization lasts very long.*


That's just part of #1, it's a proposed reason why life cannot make a
significant impact on the universe, and it doesn't explain why no
industrial civilization lasts very long. Most of the explanations for the
ephemeral nature of intelligence that I've heard, like war or environmental
change, are not very convincing; the only one that seems a little more
plausible is drug abuse by beings that operate according to the laws of
chemistry or electronic abuse by beings that operate according to the laws
of electronics. If that's true then civilizations don't die in a bang or
even in a whimper of pain but in a moan of pleasure.  I'm still hoping
reason #2 is why we've seen no sign of ET.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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