Re: Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

2023-09-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
 Bohmian Mechanics! Is there nothing it cannot do? 
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 07:52:30 AM EDT, Jason Resch 
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On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 6:19 AM John Clark  wrote:

My answer would be YES, except that Many worlds just needs Schrodinger's 
Equation, but Pilot Wave theory also needs a very complex guiding equation that 
does nothing but make the theory incompatible with special relativity. If 
Occam's razor alone wasn't enough to rule out Pilot Waves that should do it, 
this video goes in the more detail explaining why: 
  Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

Nice video, thanks for sharing.
I agree. Both accept the continued reality of the wave function.
Pilot-wave theory adds purely philosophical assumptions, namely, that "all but 
one branch is not-really-real" and "everyone in those other branches is a 
philosophical zombie."
This zombiehood claim is made despite the fact that the people in these 
"not-really-real" branches still behave like the conscious people in the real 
branch; they have full lives, they talk to one another, they write books about 
consciousness, they develop a pilot-wave theory that people in other branches 
are zombies, etc.)
Jason 

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Re: Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

2023-09-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 29, 2023, 6:19 AM John Clark  wrote:

> My answer would be YES, except that Many worlds just needs Schrodinger's
> Equation, but Pilot Wave theory also needs a very complex guiding equation
> that does nothing but make the theory incompatible with special relativity.
> If Occam's razor alone wasn't enough to rule out Pilot Waves that should do
> it, this video goes in the more detail explaining why:
>
>   Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUHW1zlstVk>
>

Nice video, thanks for sharing.

I agree. Both accept the continued reality of the wave function.

Pilot-wave theory adds purely philosophical assumptions, namely, that "all
but one branch is not-really-real" and "everyone in those other branches is
a philosophical zombie."

This zombiehood claim is made despite the fact that the people in these
"not-really-real" branches still behave like the conscious people in the
real branch; they have full lives, they talk to one another, they write
books about consciousness, they develop a pilot-wave theory that people in
other branches are zombies, etc.)

Jason

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Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?

2023-09-29 Thread John Clark
My answer would be YES, except that Many worlds just needs Schrodinger's
Equation, but Pilot Wave theory also needs a very complex guiding equation
that does nothing but make the theory incompatible with special relativity.
If Occam's razor alone wasn't enough to rule out Pilot Waves that should do
it, this video goes in the more detail explaining why:

  Are Many Worlds & Pilot Wave THE SAME Theory?
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUHW1zlstVk>

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