Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

She (Greta)  is an actress descended from actor parents and knows how to give 
the speeches to her supporters. How Dare You suggest otherwise? :-)
Under Joey, and company, even Bill Gates will not get his Thorium Salt 
reactors, which seems a technological, tough nut to crack, on ideological 
reasons. Only in your mind IF a MSR can be produced with very high safety, will 
these be permitted to coexist with renewables. With conservatives, these will 
coexist maybe with coal and gas turbines, I grant you. Your team is 
ideologically against it, and I know this because I interact with the Greens on 
Reddit. The reason John is exasperated with the Environmentalists, is that he 
ignores the Marxist-Leninism (21st century flavor) of their politics. 
Just Stop Oil - Wikipedia

Extinction Rebellion - Wikipedia



Note: Their goal is not to power civilization via renewable energy, but to have 
the peasants out of their cars! Or what's an Extinction Rebellion for? You old, 
time, liberals "will be relegated  to the dust bin of history," as Chuckling, 
Chucky Marx and Engaging, Engels, once wrote. 
As you know Xi is working on the thorium MSR thing, and even there, it won't be 
available for 15 -25 years, even as a pilot plant. 

Renewables, need not work in reality for this crew. For you and John yes, for 
the 21C Greens, well, some causalities are acceptable for the revolution! 

So, what do we do as a species till that glorious time to survive? The is not a 
concern number 1,2,3, or 4 for your chums. I, even as a vile Trumpkin, have 
some ideas. Also, let me know what you are up for a chat about the Urban Crime, 
policies and results. I actually enjoy Desantis better, but am a serf so I 
takes what I kin!

Top O' the Morn'n to ye!



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From: Brent Meeker 
To: spudboy100 via Everything List 
Sent: Thu, May 18, 2023 11:48 am
Subject: Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

 I don't know to whom "you, sir" refers.  I'm an advocate of fission reactor 
power, especially thorium molten salt reactors along with solar and wind power. 
 As far as I know Greta Thunberg is a student, not an actress.
 
 Brent
 
 On 5/17/2023 10:37 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
  
 
You Sir, are in an intellectually tough spot. You are Progressive on 98% of the 
issues that most environmentalists align with whatever you term them; women's 
rights, gay rights, trans rights, immigration, race, crime, and yet, these 
people are so ideological, they cannot tolerate you?  I get the same from them 
on Reddit. I do watch whatever is happening with fission news. I stubbornly 
refuse to accept that fusion will be an earth-based source of energy for 
humanity till (hand-waving) the 22nd century. Love the research, but a doubter. 
 
  In other words, Greta is an actress (How dare you!!) and not an engineer. 
  
 From: John Clark 
 To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
 Sent: Wed, May 17, 2023 7:31 am
 Subject: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people
 
Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines In 
Europe 
  
  Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming 
  Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists
  
   Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud

  And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment of 
evil if you even mention the word "nuclear".   
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Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Now, as a Trumpkin, I do like what happened with Joey's Inflation Reduction 
Bill. 
The solar and battery initiatives can only help matters, environmentally, but 
also with Putin. Joey, did however refuse to sign a bill that would cut off a 
bi-partisan move that would restore cutoffs of China's slave labor 
panels!Showing me that once a schmuck always a schmuck!Still, I give credit 
where credit is due. This is specifically why I harangue always about policy. 

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Subject: Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:14 PM Jesse Mazer  wrote:


> The first three stories are about environmentalists protesting building 
> wind/solar on land that it's important to indigenous groups

 I don't give a damn if they're indigenous or not, I don't see any reason one 
group of people should be given more consideration than another And Important? 
More important than global warming which, according to environmentalists, is an 
existential threat to the entire planet? Never before in the history of Earth 
have 8 billion individuals of the same species that were as large as human 
beings existed, like it or not there is simply no way to keep those 8 billion 
people alive, much less happy, without a gargantuan amount of energy, and 
environmentalists have never seen a source of energy that they didn't hate. Put 
it another way, environmentalists are all in favor of any power source except 
for coal, oil,natural gas, hydroelectric, solar, wind, geothermal and of course 
nuclear. They say we can't stop global warming unless we make huge changes and 
they're right about that, but if you make any huge change to society, no matter 
how beneficial it is overall, it's inevitable that somebody somewhere is going 
to be unjustly treated as a result of those changes. Environmentalists say 
there is nothing more important than stopping global warming but, regardless of 
how helpful a project may be in achieving that lofty goal they are immediately 
ready to kill it the instant somebody, anybody, says it will be built on land 
that he thinks an invisible man who made the universe lives on and He wouldn't 
like it. Environmentalists are dilettantes, they refuse to make the hard 
decisions that will be necessary to solve huge problems. And that's why I say 
they are not serious people.

> you would have to present an argument that there aren't equally good 
> alternative places to build renewables that don't involve these problems,

There is no such place, you will always find somebody who says building a new 
power source of any sort anyplace will be an abomination because it will 
endanger a snail, or upset a God, or be ugly, or be noisy, or kill little 
birdies or do something they don't like.  And environmentalists insist that we 
must act quickly. but also insist that before we so much as put one brick on 
top of another we must go through endless environmental commissions and long 
term studies, and even if the studies conclude that no adverse environmental 
effects will occur there will always be somebody who will disagree and say more 
study is needed before we do anything and you could be sure that person will 
call himself an environmentalist.  

> Here is a study from the Nature Conservancy suggesting otherwise, saying that 
> "With careful and coordinated planning and robust community engagement, the 
> U.S. can build the clean energy infrastructure needed for economy-wide, 
> net-zero emissions by 2050 while avoiding most impacts to sensitive natural 
> and working lands":



That sounds nice but I can guarantee the iinstant somebody decides to actually 
build something  that could  help in achieving that difficult goal the Nature 
Conservancy will insist we need more environmental studies before we start 
building it, and of course  the Nature Conservancy will not offer an alternate 
place to build it, but what they will do is complain we are moving too slowly 
in solving the problem of global warming. As I said, not serious people.

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis6dq7tt 



 

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 7:32 AM John Clark  wrote:

Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines In Europe 

Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming
Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists

Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud

And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment of evil 
if you even mention the word "nuclear". 

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Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

[John Clark]

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:14 PM Jesse Mazer  wrote:

*> The first three stories are about environmentalists protesting building
> wind/solar on land that it's important to indigenous groups*
>


I don't give a damn if they're indigenous or not, I don't see any reason
one group of people should be given more consideration than another And
Important? More important than global warming which, according to
environmentalists, is an existential threat to the entire planet? Never
before in the history of Earth have 8 billion individuals of the same
species that were as large as human beings existed, like it or not there is
simply no way to keep those 8 billion people alive, much less happy,
without a gargantuan amount of energy, and environmentalists have never
seen a source of energy that they didn't hate. Put it another way,
environmentalists are all in favor of any power source except for coal,
oil,natural gas, hydroelectric, solar, wind, geothermal and of course
nuclear. They say we can't stop global warming unless we make huge changes
and they're right about that, but if you make any huge change to society,
no matter how beneficial it is overall, it's inevitable that somebody
somewhere is going to be unjustly treated as a result of those changes.
Environmentalists say there is nothing more important than stopping global
warming but, regardless of how helpful a project may be in achieving that
lofty goal they are immediately ready to kill it the instant somebody,
anybody, says it will be built on land that he thinks an invisible man who
made the universe lives on and He wouldn't like it. Environmentalists are
dilettantes, they refuse to make the hard decisions that will be necessary
to solve huge problems. And that's why I say they are not serious people.

*> you would have to present an argument that there aren't equally good
> alternative places to build renewables that don't involve these problems,*
>

There is no such place, you will always find somebody who says building a
new power source of any sort anyplace will be an abomination because it
will endanger a snail, or upset a God, or be ugly, or be noisy, or kill
little birdies or do something they don't like.  And environmentalists
insist that we must act quickly. but also insist that before we so much as
put one brick on top of another we must go through endless environmental
commissions and long term studies, and even if the studies conclude that no
adverse environmental effects will occur there will always be somebody who
will disagree and say more study is needed before we do anything and you
could be sure that person will call himself an environmentalist.

*> Here is a study from the Nature Conservancy suggesting otherwise, saying
> that "With careful and coordinated planning and robust community
> engagement, the U.S. can build the clean energy infrastructure needed for
> economy-wide, net-zero emissions by 2050 while avoiding most impacts to
> sensitive natural and working lands":*


That sounds nice but I can guarantee the iinstant somebody decides to
actually build something  that could  help in achieving that difficult goal
the Nature Conservancy will insist we need more environmental studies
before we start building it, and of course  the Nature Conservancy will not
offer an alternate place to build it, but what they will do is complain we
are moving too slowly in solving the problem of global warming. As I said,
not serious people.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

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7tt





>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 7:32 AM John Clark  wrote:
>
>> Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines In
>> Europe
>> 
>>
>> Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming
>> 
>>
>> Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists
>> 
>>
>> Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud
>> 
>>
>> And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment of
>> evil if you even mention the word "nuclear".
>>
>>
>> nsp
>>
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Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

[Jesse Mazer]

The first three stories are about environmentalists protesting building
wind/solar on land that it's important to indigenous groups or important
habitats for endangered species (the second headline is also misleading,
Thunberg herself wasn't involved with the Wyoming protest); in order to
show that this means environmentalists were "not serious people" you would
have to present an argument that there aren't equally good alternative
places to build renewables that don't involve these problems, can you do
that?

Here is a study from the Nature Conservancy suggesting otherwise, saying
that "With careful and coordinated planning and robust community
engagement, the U.S. can build the clean energy infrastructure needed for
economy-wide, net-zero emissions by 2050 while avoiding most impacts to
sensitive natural and working lands":
https://www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/tackle-climate-change/climate-change-stories/power-of-place/

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 7:32 AM John Clark  wrote:

> Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines In
> Europe
> 
>
> Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming
> 
>
> Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists
> 
>
> Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud
> 
>
> And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment of
> evil if you even mention the word "nuclear".
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> 
> 7tt
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Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

[John Clark]

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:48 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:

*I'm an advocate of fission reactor power, especially thorium molten salt
> reactors along with solar and wind power.  *


Me too.

* > As far as I know Greta Thunberg is a student, not an actress.*


And a self-righteous little twit.
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>
> Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines In
> Europe
> 
>
> Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming
> 
>
> Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists
> 
>
> Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud
> 
>
> And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment of
> evil if you even mention the word "nuclear".
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> 
> 7tt
>
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Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

[Brent Meeker]

I don't know to whom "you, sir" refers.  I'm an advocate of fission 
reactor power, especially thorium molten salt reactors along with solar 
and wind power.  As far as I know Greta Thunberg is a student, not an 
actress.


Brent

On 5/17/2023 10:37 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
You Sir, are in an intellectually tough spot. You are Progressive on 
98% of the issues that most environmentalists align with whatever you 
term them; women's rights, gay rights, trans rights, immigration, 
race, crime, and yet, these people are so ideological, they cannot 
tolerate you?  I get the same from them on Reddit. I do watch whatever 
is happening with fission news. I stubbornly refuse to accept that 
fusion will be an earth-based source of energy for humanity till 
(hand-waving) the 22nd century. Love the research, but a doubter.


In other words, Greta is an actress (How dare you!!) and not an engineer.

What, then, for those who wish to avoid a future climate calamity and 
supply civilization with power, what do you recommend for keeping 
things running?



-Original Message-
From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, May 17, 2023 7:31 am
Subject: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines 
In Europe 



Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming 



Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists 



Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud 



And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment 
of evil if you even mention the word "nuclear".


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Re: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

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You Sir, are in an intellectually tough spot. You are Progressive on 98% of the 
issues that most environmentalists align with whatever you term them; women's 
rights, gay rights, trans rights, immigration, race, crime, and yet, these 
people are so ideological, they cannot tolerate you?  I get the same from them 
on Reddit. I do watch whatever is happening with fission news. I stubbornly 
refuse to accept that fusion will be an earth-based source of energy for 
humanity till (hand-waving) the 22nd century. Love the research, but a doubter. 
In other words, Greta is an actress (How dare you!!) and not an engineer.
What, then, for those who wish to avoid a future climate calamity and supply 
civilization with power, what do you recommend for keeping things running?


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From: John Clark 
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
Sent: Wed, May 17, 2023 7:31 am
Subject: More evidence that environmentalists are NOT serious people

Greta Thunberg Arrested Twice While Protesting AGAINST Wind Turbines In Europe 

Greta Thunberg Protests Wind Farm In Wyoming
Solar Power Hits a Snag: Environmentalists

Burning Man Becomes Latest Adversary in Geothermal Feud

And of course environmentalists will shout that you are the embodiment of evil 
if you even mention the word "nuclear". 
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