subject:"Re\: US conducted multi\-decade secret UFO program"

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:25 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> Yes, typical Trumpering* [blah blah]



tWow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that
one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1003 times
before.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

jjj



> *>Consistent with your de facto Trumper* [blah blah]
>>
>>
>>  Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard
>> that one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 100
>> 2 times before.
>>
>>
>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-06 Thread Alan Grayson

Yes, typical Trumpering mentality; unable to deal with facts. AG

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 11:26:09 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 1:17 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *>Consistent with your de facto Trumper* [blah blah]
>
>
>  Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that 
> one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1002 
> times before. 
>  
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> tvg
>
>
>>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 1:17 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*>Consistent with your de facto Trumper* [blah blah]


 Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that
one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1002 times
before.

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

tvg


>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-06 Thread Alan Grayson

Consistent with your de facto Trumper methodology, you manipulate the facts 
of the argument. That is, whereas I agree I am not acting "intelligently" 
when sleeping, under sedation, or dead, all I asserted, and continue to 
assert, that based on your knowledge of how AG was *CREATED,* you can, and 
DO assume he is conscious in his *awake* state. Extrapolating, or asserting 
that, to some equivalence to AI makes no sense whatsoever. As usual, you 
have a pov to be asserted and defended, even if it makes no logical sense. 
How is this methodology different from what Trumpers habitually do? AG

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 9:54:18 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:54 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> As far as consciousness is concerned, you've done your research on AG 
>> and determined his creation was remarkably similar to yours. Hence, if you 
>> consider yourself conscious, you can extend that belief to AG.*
>
>
> But I don't believe that  Alan Grayson is conscious all the time, not 
> when he's sleeping or or under anesthesia or dead because during those 
> times he is not behaving intelligently. 
>
> *> Generally, that in principle is what we humans habitually do. But AI 
>> does not fall into this category of YOUR knowing. To equate your knowledge 
>> of AG with AI is just a foolish extrapolation. AG*
>>
>
> By using your same logic would it also be foolish extrapolation for GPT-4 
> to conclude that human beings are conscious? That is the more important 
> question because in the long run it won't  really matter if humans think 
> an AI is conscious or not, but an AI's opinion of human beings will 
> matter a lot, at least for the humans. 
>
>  
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>
> chf
>
>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:54 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> As far as consciousness is concerned, you've done your research on AG
> and determined his creation was remarkably similar to yours. Hence, if you
> consider yourself conscious, you can extend that belief to AG.*

But I don't believe that  Alan Grayson is conscious all the time, not when
he's sleeping or or under anesthesia or dead because during those times he
is not behaving intelligently.

*> Generally, that in principle is what we humans habitually do. But AI
> does not fall into this category of YOUR knowing. To equate your knowledge
> of AG with AI is just a foolish extrapolation. AG*
>

By using your same logic would it also be foolish extrapolation for GPT-4
to conclude that human beings are conscious? That is the more important
question because in the long run it won't  really matter if humans think an
AI is conscious or not, but an AI's opinion of human beings will matter a
lot, at least for the humans.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

chf

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-06 Thread Alan Grayson

As far as consciousness is concerned, you've done your research on AG and 
determined his creation was remarkably similar to yours. Hence, if you 
consider yourself conscious, you can extend that belief to AG. Generally, 
that in principle is what we humans habitually do. But AI does not fall 
into this category of YOUR knowing. To equate your knowledge of AG with AI 
is just a foolish extrapolation. AG

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 5:03:26 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:52 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> >> JC: I just insist that it's equally logical for me to conclude an AI 
>> is conscious as it is for me to conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious. 
>
>  
>
> >*AG: That's wrong.*
>>
>
> So  Alan Grayson is not conscious, not even when he's not sleeping or 
> under anesthesia or dead? Well OK, as the world's greatest expert on Alan 
> Grayson you'd know more about that than I do. 
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> eqg
>
>
>
>
>>>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:52 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

>> JC: I just insist that it's equally logical for me to conclude an AI is
> conscious as it is for me to conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious.



>*AG: That's wrong.*
>

So  Alan Grayson is not conscious, not even when he's not sleeping or under
anesthesia or dead? Well OK, as the world's greatest expert on Alan
Grayson you'd
know more about that than I do.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

eqg




>>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

JC: I just insist that it's equally logical for me to conclude an AI is 
conscious as it is for me to conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious. 
AG: That's wrong.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 2:44:16 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 4:28 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> This is a dumb discussion.*
>
>
> I've noticed.  
>  
>
>> * > You admit, more or less, that you don't know what consciousness is, 
>> yet you insist that's what AI is manifesting.*
>
>
> No, I don't insist that an AI must be conscious, I just insist that it's 
> equally logical for me to conclude an AI is conscious as it is for me to 
> conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious. 
>
> *> This discussion can go nowhere as long as you persist in this type of 
>> behavior, which in principle not unlike what Trumpers [blah blah]*
>
>
>  Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that 
> one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1000 times 
> before. 
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> cz9
>
>  
>
>  
>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:25 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>>>
>>> *> It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human 
 beings as conscious*
>>>
>>>
>>> YES.
>>>  
>>>
 > *for the reasons I stated.*
>>>
>>>
>>> NO. For thousands of years, long before anyone knew anything about 
>>> Evolution or electronics or much of anything else people believed that 
>>> their fellow human beings were conscious some of the time but not all of 
>>> the time. They believed they were conscious when they were behaving 
>>> intelligently but they did not believe their fellow human beings were 
>>> conscious when they were sleeping or under anesthesia or dead because then 
>>> they were not behaving intelligently. 
>>>  
>>>
 *> But whatever Evolution did, it took billions of years.*
>>>
>>>
>>> That's because Evolution is ridiculously slow and clumsy but until it 
>>> got around to inventing a brain it was the only way complex objects could 
>>> get built. These days, ironically thanks to intelligent design, things 
>>> happen much faster and they are about to happen even faster.  
>>>  
>>>
 *> Claiming human computer scientists did something similar in a few 
 decades at most, is hugely implausible.*
>>>
>>>
>>> Hugely implausible or not, that is exactly precisely what is happening 
>>> right before your eyes. I'm not a young man but I'm starting to think there 
>>> is a good chance I will live long enough to personally experience the 
>>> Singularity, and I wouldn't have said that six months ago. And I'm not sure 
>>> that's a good thing because it might not be much fun.
>>>  
>>>
 > *What's hugely reasonable, is that something almost 
 indistinguishable from consciousness or intelligence has been created,  
 but 
 nothing more.*
>>>
>>>  
>>> Do you believe the Pope when he says every Catholic Mass is able to 
>>> magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, not 
>>> symbolically but literally, even though the bread and wine at the end of 
>>> the silly religious ceremony is indistinguishable from what it was at the 
>>> beginning? If you believe in the above voodoo about consciousness it's not 
>>> much of a step to believe in the Pope's voodoo too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> v0o
>>>
>>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 4:28 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> This is a dumb discussion.*


I've noticed.


> * > You admit, more or less, that you don't know what consciousness is,
> yet you insist that's what AI is manifesting.*


No, I don't insist that an AI must be conscious, I just insist that it's
equally logical for me to conclude an AI is conscious as it is for me to
conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious.

*> This discussion can go nowhere as long as you persist in this type of
> behavior, which in principle not unlike what Trumpers [blah blah]*


 Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that
one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1000 times
before.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

cz9





>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:25 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>>
>> *> It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings
>>> as conscious*
>>
>>
>> YES.
>>
>>
>>> > *for the reasons I stated.*
>>
>>
>> NO. For thousands of years, long before anyone knew anything about
>> Evolution or electronics or much of anything else people believed that
>> their fellow human beings were conscious some of the time but not all of
>> the time. They believed they were conscious when they were behaving
>> intelligently but they did not believe their fellow human beings were
>> conscious when they were sleeping or under anesthesia or dead because then
>> they were not behaving intelligently.
>>
>>
>>> *> But whatever Evolution did, it took billions of years.*
>>
>>
>> That's because Evolution is ridiculously slow and clumsy but until it
>> got around to inventing a brain it was the only way complex objects could
>> get built. These days, ironically thanks to intelligent design, things
>> happen much faster and they are about to happen even faster.
>>
>>
>>> *> Claiming human computer scientists did something similar in a few
>>> decades at most, is hugely implausible.*
>>
>>
>> Hugely implausible or not, that is exactly precisely what is happening
>> right before your eyes. I'm not a young man but I'm starting to think there
>> is a good chance I will live long enough to personally experience the
>> Singularity, and I wouldn't have said that six months ago. And I'm not sure
>> that's a good thing because it might not be much fun.
>>
>>
>>> > *What's hugely reasonable, is that something almost indistinguishable
>>> from consciousness or intelligence has been created,  but nothing more.*
>>
>>
>> Do you believe the Pope when he says every Catholic Mass is able to
>> magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, not
>> symbolically but literally, even though the bread and wine at the end of
>> the silly religious ceremony is indistinguishable from what it was at the
>> beginning? If you believe in the above voodoo about consciousness it's not
>> much of a step to believe in the Pope's voodoo too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> v0o
>>
>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

This is a dumb discussion. You admit, more or less, that you don't *know* 
what consciousness is, yet you insist that's what AI is manifesting. All 
you can really say with any certainty, that AI is able to *MIMIC* conscious 
behavior. So, my advice, is stick to what you really know, and cease your 
unfounded *extrapolations*. As for UFO's, you want to downplay any possible 
evidence that they* might* represent alien presence. So you totally distort 
about 5% of the inexplicable cases. This is simply dishonest. This 
discussion can go nowhere as long as you persist in this type of behavior, 
which in principle not unlike what Trumpers habitually do.  AG
On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 2:07:17 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:25 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings 
>> as conscious*
>
>
> YES.
>  
>
>> > *for the reasons I stated.*
>
>
> NO. For thousands of years, long before anyone knew anything about 
> Evolution or electronics or much of anything else people believed that 
> their fellow human beings were conscious some of the time but not all of 
> the time. They believed they were conscious when they were behaving 
> intelligently but they did not believe their fellow human beings were 
> conscious when they were sleeping or under anesthesia or dead because then 
> they were not behaving intelligently. 
>  
>
>> *> But whatever Evolution did, it took billions of years.*
>
>
> That's because Evolution is ridiculously slow and clumsy but until it got 
> around to inventing a brain it was the only way complex objects could get 
> built. These days, ironically thanks to intelligent design, things happen 
> much faster and they are about to happen even faster.  
>  
>
>> *> Claiming human computer scientists did something similar in a few 
>> decades at most, is hugely implausible.*
>
>
> Hugely implausible or not, that is exactly precisely what is happening 
> right before your eyes. I'm not a young man but I'm starting to think there 
> is a good chance I will live long enough to personally experience the 
> Singularity, and I wouldn't have said that six months ago. And I'm not sure 
> that's a good thing because it might not be much fun.
>  
>
>> > *What's hugely reasonable, is that something almost indistinguishable 
>> from consciousness or intelligence has been created,  but nothing more.*
>
>  
> Do you believe the Pope when he says every Catholic Mass is able to 
> magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, not 
> symbolically but literally, even though the bread and wine at the end of 
> the silly religious ceremony is indistinguishable from what it was at the 
> beginning? If you believe in the above voodoo about consciousness it's not 
> much of a step to believe in the Pope's voodoo too.
>
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>
> v0o
>
>
>
>
>>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:31 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> If you insist on huge distortions of what UFO believers claim, there's
> no point in continuing this discussion. It's not unike Trumpers who*
> [blah blah]

Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that
one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1000 times
before.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

djt

>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:25 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings
> as conscious*

YES.

> > *for the reasons I stated.*

NO. For thousands of years, long before anyone knew anything about
Evolution or electronics or much of anything else people believed that
their fellow human beings were conscious some of the time but not all of
the time. They believed they were conscious when they were behaving
intelligently but they did not believe their fellow human beings were
conscious when they were sleeping or under anesthesia or dead because then
they were not behaving intelligently.

> *> But whatever Evolution did, it took billions of years.*

That's because Evolution is ridiculously slow and clumsy but until it got
around to inventing a brain it was the only way complex objects could get
built. These days, ironically thanks to intelligent design, things happen
much faster and they are about to happen even faster.

> *> Claiming human computer scientists did something similar in a few
> decades at most, is hugely implausible.*

Hugely implausible or not, that is exactly precisely what is happening
right before your eyes. I'm not a young man but I'm starting to think there
is a good chance I will live long enough to personally experience the
Singularity, and I wouldn't have said that six months ago. And I'm not sure
that's a good thing because it might not be much fun.

> > *What's hugely reasonable, is that something almost indistinguishable
> from consciousness or intelligence has been created,  but nothing more.*

Do you believe the Pope when he says every Catholic Mass is able to
magically turn bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, not
symbolically but literally, even though the bread and wine at the end of
the silly religious ceremony is indistinguishable from what it was at the
beginning? If you believe in the above voodoo about consciousness it's not
much of a step to believe in the Pope's voodoo too.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

v0o

>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

If you insist on* huge *distortions of what UFO believers claim, there's no 
point in continuing this discussion. It's not unike Trumpers who continue 
to claim Biden stole the 2020 election. AG

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:13:43 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:59 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> The fact is about 5% of the sightings are inexplicable*
>
>
> The flying saucer nuts say that precisely 0.0% of the sightings are 
> inexplicable, they identify every single one of them, they insist that 
> anything they see in the sky that they don't immediately recognize MUST 
> be a spaceship from another planet piloted by strange looking space 
> aliens. They have forgotten what the "U" in "UFO" stands for and have 
> reduce them all to FO's. 
>
> *> Incidentally, I read yesterday that William Shatner is hugely skeptical 
>> about aliens coming hundred or thousands of light years from Earth, only to 
>> remain anonymous. *
>
>
> I agree with Captain Kirk about that. 
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> 8b5
>
>
>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings as 
conscious for the reasons I stated. So there's nothing to argue about here. 
You want to argue that because Evolution apparently *stumbled* on to 
consciousness, it's reasonable to assume human computer scientists could 
have, or indeed have done the same. But whatever Evolution did, it took 
billions of years. Claiming human computer scientists did something similar 
in a few decades at most, is hugely implausible. What's hugely reasonable, 
is that something almost indistinguishable from consciousness or 
intelligence has been created, but nothing more. AG

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:44 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> Yes, because you believe YOU are conscious and we're similarly 
>> constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process.*
>
>
> If the process that created you is *virtually *identical with the process 
> that created me then you and I are *virtually *the same person. Are we? I 
> don't think so. 
>
> * > But for computers to be conscious, implies those who built them 
>> somehow stumbled onto constructing a living entity without knowing what 
>> life or living is.*
>
>
> And yet random mutation and natural selection somehow* stumbled* onto a 
> way of constructing billions of intelligent entities and at least one of 
> them, me, is conscious. And Evolution did this without knowing what 
> intelligence is or what consciousness is or in fact what ANYTHING is. 
> However, that can be easily explained if consciousness is the inevitable 
> byproduct of intelligent behavior because, unlike consciousness, natural 
> selection can detect intelligent behavior.
>
>  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>
>>
>>

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:59 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> The fact is about 5% of the sightings are inexplicable*

The flying saucer nuts say that precisely 0.0% of the sightings are
inexplicable, they identify every single one of them, they insist that
anything they see in the sky that they don't immediately recognize MUST be
a spaceship from another planet piloted by strange looking space aliens.
They have forgotten what the "U" in "UFO" stands for and have reduce them
all to FO's.

*> Incidentally, I read yesterday that William Shatner is hugely skeptical
> about aliens coming hundred or thousands of light years from Earth, only to
> remain anonymous. *

I agree with Captain Kirk about that.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

8b5

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:44 PM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> Yes, because you believe YOU are conscious and we're similarly
> constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process.*

If the process that created you is *virtually *identical with the process
that created me then you and I are *virtually *the same person. Are we? I
don't think so.

* > But for computers to be conscious, implies those who built them somehow
> stumbled onto constructing a living entity without knowing what life or
> living is.*

And yet random mutation and natural selection somehow* stumbled* onto a way
of constructing billions of intelligent entities and at least one of them,
me, is conscious. And Evolution did this without knowing what intelligence
is or what consciousness is or in fact what ANYTHING is. However, that can
be easily explained if consciousness is the inevitable byproduct of
intelligent behavior because, unlike consciousness, natural selection can
detect intelligent behavior.

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

I read an article recently which claimed that RNA has been produced in a 
lab, but nothing remotely like a replicating living entity. In response to 
your other comment, I am just saying that our physical forms and the 
process of our creations, are virtually identical, so on that basis you can 
make the inference that our consciousnesses are similarly constructed even 
though neither of us know what that structure is. AG

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.*
>
>
> Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria 
> 
>  
>
>  
>
>>
>> *> Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created 
>> conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what 
>> consciousness is? AG*
>
>  
> Am I supposed to believe that you are conscious even though I have zero 
> understanding of what your consciousness is? 
>
>
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>
> yvc
>
>
>
>
> 868
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

Incidentally, I read yesterday that William Shatner is hugely skeptical 
about aliens coming hundred or thousands of light years from Earth, only to 
remain anonymous. I suppose  he has a point, but maybe they're local, say 
natural residents on one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. What offends me 
about your view of aliens, is that it's *unscientific *but implicitly 
claims to be otherwise*. * The fact is about 5% of the sightings are 
inexplicable. Sagan also fell into that trap. I recall a dinner I had with 
him (and his 2nd wife) where that pov controlled his negative conclusion. AG

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Yes, because you believe *YOU* are conscious and we're similarly 
> constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process. But for 
> computers to be conscious, implies those who built them somehow *stumbled 
> *onto constructing a living entity without knowing what life or living 
> is. Most improbable IMO. AG
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>>
>> *> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.*
>>
>>
>> Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria 
>> 
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> *> Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created 
>>> conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what 
>>> consciousness is? AG*
>>
>>  
>> Am I supposed to believe that you are conscious even though I have zero 
>> understanding of what your consciousness is? 
>>
>>
>>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
>> 
>>
>> yvc
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Yes, because you believe *YOU* are conscious and we're similarly 
constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process. But for 
computers to be conscious, implies those who built them somehow *stumbled *onto 
constructing a living entity without knowing what life or living is. Most 
improbable IMO. AG

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> *> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.*
>
>
> Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria 
> 
>  
>
>  
>
>>
>> *> Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created 
>> conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what 
>> consciousness is? AG*
>
>  
> Am I supposed to believe that you are conscious even though I have zero 
> understanding of what your consciousness is? 
>
>
>   John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
>
> yvc
>
>
>
>
> 868
>>>
>>>
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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:

*> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.*


Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria





>
> *> Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created
> conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what
> consciousness is? AG*


Am I supposed to believe that you are conscious even though I have zero
understanding of what your consciousness is?

  John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis


yvc




868
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed. Am I 
supposed to believe that computer scientists have created conscious 
entities even though they have zero understanding of what consciousness is? 
AG

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:14:57 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:52 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:
>
> > A monumental UFO scandal is looming 
>> 
>
>
> A former and possible future President of the United States is going to be 
> put on trial for treason, Europe is experiencing the largest conflict since 
> World War II, and computers are on the verge of becoming more intelligent 
> than human beings, but all you wanna talk about is flying saucers.  
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> 868
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>
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-04 Thread John Clark

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:52 AM Alan Grayson  wrote:

> A monumental UFO scandal is looming
> 

A former and possible future President of the United States is going to be
put on trial for treason, Europe is experiencing the largest conflict since
World War II, and computers are on the verge of becoming more intelligent
than human beings, but all you wanna talk about is flying saucers.

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-08-04 Thread Alan Grayson

A monumental UFO scandal is looming (msn.com) 


On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Congressman: More witnesses were scared away from UFO hearing (msn.com) 
> 
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> There was a classified session of the House Oversight Committee and the 
>> key, or at least provocative findings. remain classified. AG
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:51:05 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and 
>>> inexplicably still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. 
>>> AG
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything 
 List  wrote:

 > Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, 
> technological, minds.
>

 Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant 
 in popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut 
 crap on TV just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not 
 required to be compatible with human desires. 

 *> Keep watching the skies.*
>

 I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying 
 saucers are not one of them.

 John K Clark
 .,-

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-31 Thread Alan Grayson

Congressman: More witnesses were scared away from UFO hearing (msn.com) 

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> There was a classified session of the House Oversight Committee and the 
> key, or at least provocative findings. remain classified. AG
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:51:05 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably 
>> still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. AG
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, 
 technological, minds.

>>>
>>> Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in 
>>> popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut crap 
>>> on TV just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not required 
>>> to be compatible with human desires. 
>>>
>>> *> Keep watching the skies.*

>>>
>>> I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers 
>>> are not one of them.
>>>
>>> John K Clark
>>> .,-
>>>
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-31 Thread Alan Grayson

There was a classified session of the House Oversight Committee and the 
key, or at least provocative findings. remain classified. AG

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:51:05 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably 
> still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. AG
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, 
>>> technological, minds.
>>>
>>
>> Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in 
>> popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut crap 
>> on TV just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not required 
>> to be compatible with human desires. 
>>
>> *> Keep watching the skies.*
>>>
>>
>> I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers 
>> are not one of them.
>>
>> John K Clark
>> .,-
>>
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

From your keyboard to God's Dyson Sphere!
Dyson spheres: The key to resurrection and immortality? - Big Think

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 07:16:55 AM EDT, John Clark
wrote:

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved,
>technological, minds.

Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in
popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut crap on TV
just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not required to be
compatible with human desires.

> Keep watching the skies.

I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers are
not one of them.
John K Clark.,-

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-30 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Understood. From where my mind is at, there is great advantage and excitement
to having fellow experiencers in the Schrodinger's box we call the Universe.
One advantage is to be a factor containing human aggression. If there are
fellows in the skies, telling Putin, "You know the Neighbors are watching!"
might actually work? If not for him, then his voters. Secondly, we could use
some advice from them in the form of Sagan, again, "How did you learn to
survive?" Third, possible trade and information. How could these superior being
trade with us? Well, if the ants or termites had some residual intelligence
even as a group, count on us humans making a buck on it.
Ad Astra!
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 01:51:08 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably
still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. AG

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List
wrote:

> Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved,
>technological, minds.

> Keep watching the skies.

I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers are
not one of them.
John K Clark.,-

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-30 Thread Alan Grayson

You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably 
still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. AG

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> > Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, 
>> technological, minds.
>>
>
> Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in 
> popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut crap 
> on TV just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not required 
> to be compatible with human desires. 
>
> *> Keep watching the skies.*
>>
>
> I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers 
> are not one of them.
>
> John K Clark
> .,-
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2023-07-30 Thread John Clark

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved,
> technological, minds.
>

Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in
popular culture and you can watch flying saucer or ancient astronaut crap
on TV just about any time of the day or night. But reality is not required
to be compatible with human desires.

*> Keep watching the skies.*
>

I agree, there's a lot of interesting stuff up there, but flying saucers
are not one of them.

John K Clark
.,-

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-29 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List

Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, technological,
minds. If they are here, they may not be close. I am open to evidence, but look
at all the politicians who would have gotten out of trouble quick by a reveal?
Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, Trump, Gorbachev, Yeltsin? That is my counter,
because it'd end any problems for them.
Keep watching the skies.It may end up being true?
On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 06:44:10 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

'Insulting': Pentagon's UFO boss torches claims of alien coverup (msn.com)

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:30:39 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

At the end of the day I think the Pentagon will continue to stonewall, and
refuse to declassify any UFO documents it is withholding. And Biden will allow
the Pentagon to have final say on declassification. The information being
withheld is probably too compromising for it to see any light. AG

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Non-Human Biologics Piloted the UFOs, Testifies a Whistleblower (msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | Watch
(msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing (msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For me, it
sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the Pacific for
saucers found actual parts rather than something produced possibly, by
geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is great. However, for
me, I am living in the material world, and I am material girl. :-/
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson
wrote:

Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And Aliens
(msn.com)

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official says
(msn.com)

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-28 Thread Alan Grayson

'Insulting': Pentagon's UFO boss torches claims of alien coverup (msn.com) 


On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:30:39 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> At the end of the day I think the Pentagon will continue to stonewall, and 
> refuse to declassify any UFO documents it is withholding. And Biden will 
> allow the Pentagon to have final say on declassification. The information 
> being withheld is probably too compromising for it to see any light. AG
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Non-Human Biologics Piloted the UFOs, Testifies a Whistleblower (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | 
>>> Watch (msn.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
 Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee 
 (msn.com) 
 

 On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing 
> (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. 
>> For me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped 
>> the 
>> Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
>> possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
>> great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
>> material girl. :-/
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
>> agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs 
>> And Aliens (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>
>> US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence 
>> official says (msn.com) 
>> 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-28 Thread Alan Grayson

At the end of the day I think the Pentagon will continue to stonewall, and 
refuse to declassify any UFO documents it is withholding. And Biden will 
allow the Pentagon to have final say on declassification. The information 
being withheld is probably too compromising for it to see any light. AG

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 3:28:37 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Non-Human Biologics Piloted the UFOs, Testifies a Whistleblower (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | Watch 
>> (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
 Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing 
 (msn.com) 
 

 On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. 
> For me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped 
> the 
> Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
> possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
> great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
> material girl. :-/
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
> agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And 
> Aliens (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>
> US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence 
> official says (msn.com) 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-27 Thread Alan Grayson

Non-Human Biologics Piloted the UFOs, Testifies a Whistleblower (msn.com) 


On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | Watch 
> (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing 
>>> (msn.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
 I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For 
 me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the 
 Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
 possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
 great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
 material girl. :-/

 On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
 agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 


 Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And 
 Aliens (msn.com) 
 

 On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:


 US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence 
 official says (msn.com) 
 

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

2023-07-27 Thread Alan Grayson

David Grusch Fears 'For Life' After Claiming US In Possession Of UFOs | 
Watch (msn.com) 


On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | Watch 
> (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>> Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing 
>>> (msn.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
 I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For 
 me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the 
 Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
 possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
 great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
 material girl. :-/

 On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
 agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 


 Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And 
 Aliens (msn.com) 
 

 On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:


 US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence 
 official says (msn.com) 
 

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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

Retired Air Force officer testifies the US is concealing UFO info | Watch 
(msn.com) 


On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:47:09 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>> Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For 
>>> me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the 
>>> Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
>>> possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
>>> great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
>>> material girl. :-/
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
>>> agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And 
>>> Aliens (msn.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official 
>>> says (msn.com) 
>>> 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

Close Encounters With UFOs Described to Congressional Committee (msn.com) 


On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:38:29 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:

> Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For 
>> me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the 
>> Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
>> possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
>> great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
>> material girl. :-/
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
>> agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And 
>> Aliens (msn.com) 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>>
>>
>> US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official 
>> says (msn.com) 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

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Here are the 5 most memorable moments from Congress’ UFO hearing (msn.com) 


On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 3:00:32 PM UTC-6 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

> I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For 
> me, it sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the 
> Pacific for saucers found actual parts rather than something produced 
> possibly, by geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is 
> great. However, for me, I am living in the material world, and I am 
> material girl. :-/
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson <
> agrays...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And 
> Aliens (msn.com) 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:
>
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> US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official 
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Re: US conducted multi-decade secret UFO program

 I saw snippets of this earlier today. It was a cross aisle meeting. For me, it 
sounds too good to be true. If the Harvard lads that scooped the Pacific for 
saucers found actual parts rather than something produced possibly, by 
geological processes, I'd get more worked up. Testimony is great. However, for 
me, I am living in the material world, and I am material girl. :-/
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 03:00:55 PM EDT, Alan Grayson 
 wrote:  
 
 Whistleblower Drops Bombshell Testimony Before Congress About UFOs And Aliens 
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On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:52:57 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote:


US conducted ‘multi-decade’ secret UFO program, ex-intelligence official says 
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