Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life? (Piggybacking art.)
This kind of, quantum computing-wise, a prediction from JC from a few years ago, regarding the achieving and impact. Seems corroborated in this article? Quantum computing breakthrough could happen with just hundreds, not millions, of qubits using new error-correction system (msn.com) | | | | MSN | | | On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 09:16:18 AM EDT, Jason Resch wrote: While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone with the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them until the time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the old encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected with current algorithms). Jason On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getting big QC first doesn't affect that. What we need to do is change to encryption not susceptible to QCs, something we are already doing. I has nothing to do with how fast be make big QCs. Brent On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life? John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis aqp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjq1R7Of5-%3D6fnRqdujzBBaeCpXnXuvihe_X%2Bz45uMZUA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/666550054.4256100.1715080803233%40mail.yahoo.com.
Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?
On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 10:09 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > But it was my understanding that encryption is being changed to methods > for which a quantum computer is no better than a classical computer and are > effectively secure. > That's correct. Many quantum-secure algorithms have been invented already and NIST is in the process of standardizing them. The issue is that until we move to those algorithms, existing and past communications can be exposed once a quantum computer is developed that can break existing algorithms. Consider, for example, if some government agency were to store all intercepted encrypted communications long-term. Then once a quantum computer of sufficient power is created, they can go back and decrypt this archive of intercepted encrypted communications. Jason > > > > On 5/6/2024 6:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone > with the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them > until the time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the > old encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a > computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected > with current algorithms). > > Jason > > On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do >> they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getting big QC first >> doesn't affect that. What we need to do is change to encryption not >> susceptible to QCs, something we are already doing. I has nothing to do >> with how fast be make big QCs. >> >> Brent >> >> On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote: >> >> *Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?* >> <https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/05/will-australias-giant-quantum-project-bring-militaries-fears-life/396312/> >> >> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> aqp >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjq1R7Of5-%3D6fnRqdujzBBaeCpXnXuvihe_X%2Bz45uMZUA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjq1R7Of5-%3D6fnRqdujzBBaeCpXnXuvihe_X%2Bz45uMZUA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fbaa5bd9-9541-4581-baed-cf838857e819%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fbaa5bd9-9541-4581-baed-cf838857e819%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg3rPDBvZ3fTp3QahoiG3CouTAP1e9mXfSaizO-mn5p7Q%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?
But it was my understanding that encryption is being changed to methods for which a quantum computer is no better than a classical computer and are effectively secure. Brent On 5/6/2024 6:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone with the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them until the time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the old encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected with current algorithms). Jason On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getting big QC first doesn't affect that. What we need to do is change to encryption not susceptible to QCs, something we are already doing. I has nothing to do with how fast be make big QCs. Brent On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote: *Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?* <https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/05/will-australias-giant-quantum-project-bring-militaries-fears-life/396312/> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> aqp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjq1R7Of5-%3D6fnRqdujzBBaeCpXnXuvihe_X%2Bz45uMZUA%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjq1R7Of5-%3D6fnRqdujzBBaeCpXnXuvihe_X%2Bz45uMZUA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fbaa5bd9-9541-4581-baed-cf838857e819%40gmail.com.
Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?
While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone with the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them until the time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the old encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected with current algorithms). Jason On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do > they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getting big QC first > doesn't affect that. What we need to do is change to encryption not > susceptible to QCs, something we are already doing. I has nothing to do > with how fast be make big QCs. > > Brent > > On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote: > > *Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?* > <https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/05/will-australias-giant-quantum-project-bring-militaries-fears-life/396312/> > > John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > aqp > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjq1R7Of5-%3D6fnRqdujzBBaeCpXnXuvihe_X%2Bz45uMZUA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?
The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do they'll be able to read all our messages. But us getting big QC first doesn't affect that. What we need to do is change to encryption not susceptible to QCs, something we are already doing. I has nothing to do with how fast be make big QCs. Brent On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote: *Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?* <https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/05/will-australias-giant-quantum-project-bring-militaries-fears-life/396312/> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> aqp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cbf6d480-5011-4454-b2a2-336c600dc82e%40gmail.com.
Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?
*Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?* <https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/05/will-australias-giant-quantum-project-bring-militaries-fears-life/396312/> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> aqp -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0P6WMi1wONBg%3DW4LG%3DwyztuHU8bDgg55ymsfCqFd8fcA%40mail.gmail.com.
