Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 19:57 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> If you are using gmail as a POP server everything is still in Google's
> hands.  If this is actually a concern you should consider a different mail
> provider [fastmail.fm?]

That's beside the point; that option is not available since it's a work
related email. I have no option but use Google's services.

> I strongly encourage NOT using POP.  It is an old protocol AND IT ADDS
> NO VALUE, none what-so-ever.  It doesn't, do not believe anyone who
> tells you otherwise.

Also beside the point. I'm not trying to argue IMAP vs POP. I just want
POP to work properly.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't
> > want
> > to keep anything in google's hands.
> Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. 

+1,000,000,000

> Furthermore, keeping your mail on Google's servers is a convenient
> way of being able to access it from anywhere, with or without
> Evolution.

And a 'feature' provided by any IMAP service.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Greetings, 
> I have been trying to add one of my email accounts to Nevertheless, I
> want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want
> to keep anything in google's hands. 

If you are using gmail as a POP server everything is still in Google's
hands.  If this is actually a concern you should consider a different mail 
provider [fastmail.fm?]

I strongly encourage NOT using POP.  It is an old protocol AND IT ADDS
NO VALUE, none what-so-ever.  It doesn't, do not believe anyone who
tells you otherwise.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

> 
>   Also, I appreciate the discussion but it has gone off on a tangent. How
> can I convince Evolution that I want it to use gmail with POP?

If you are setting it up from scratch in Evolution, then I suspect that
it is picking up some old configuration. So I suggest you delete the
gmail account, shutdown Evolution completely, including all it's
factory processes ('evolution --force-shutdown') then look in
~/.config/evolution/sources for any source file that contains the
account details.  Review the file and if they are old, delete them. I
think that is OK to do, but you might want to wait for comments from
someone who knows better.

Alternatively, create a new Linux user and set up an account on that
(so you have a clean config) and see if it still misbehaves.  If it
does, then I suspect it is a bug.

Have you tried other mail clients to do it?

> 
> 
>   Also, I _know_ they are probably monitoring my incoming mail anyway;
> but at least this way I can use another SMTP server so my outgoing traffic
> doesn't go through their servers. 

Be careful doing that - sending out mail through something other than a
gmail server will possibly create DMARC/SPF errors.

> 
> > I totally understand a desire for privacy and keeping data away from
> > the likes of Google, bit I think using POP for this reason brings
> > horses and stable doors to mind.
> 
>   I'm not sure I understand the allegory;
> 

"Locking the stable door after the horse has bolted"

>  but I'd rather not stay
> connected to a server to access my email. Having it stored locally and only
> connect to a server to send or receive fits my workflow better.
> 
Sure, but you can do that with IMAP as well. But if you want to use POP
then do so.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Greetings!

Thanks for the replies.

Also, I appreciate the discussion but it has gone off on a tangent. How
can I convince Evolution that I want it to use gmail with POP?

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:50 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> It may well be that it is a work account that uses gmail.  But I think
> it's naive to think that using POP to remove the mail from Google means
> that Google will forget about the content or that they hadn't already
> got tons of info from it before you even saw it in your Inbox.

That's exactly my case. I'm using this particular account because I
have no choice on the matter. 

Also, I _know_ they are probably monitoring my incoming mail anyway;
but at least this way I can use another SMTP server so my outgoing traffic
doesn't go through their servers. 

> I totally understand a desire for privacy and keeping data away from
> the likes of Google, bit I think using POP for this reason brings
> horses and stable doors to mind.

I'm not sure I understand the allegory; but I'd rather not stay
connected to a server to access my email. Having it stored locally and only
connect to a server to send or receive fits my workflow better.

Cheers,
Francisco



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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want
> > to keep anything in google's hands.
> 
> Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. If you
> don't trust Google, why are you using their mail servers, which have
> full access to everything going through them?
> 
It may well be that it is a work account that uses gmail.  But I think
it's naive to think that using POP to remove the mail from Google means
that Google will forget about the content or that they hadn't already
got tons of info from it before you even saw it in your Inbox.

I totally understand a desire for privacy and keeping data away from
the likes of Google, bit I think using POP for this reason brings
horses and stable doors to mind.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 06:08 -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want
> to keep anything in google's hands.

Up to you of course, but that logic doesn't make sense to me. If you
don't trust Google, why are you using their mail servers, which have
full access to everything going through them?

Furthermore, keeping your mail on Google's servers is a convenient way
of being able to access it from anywhere, with or without Evolution.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Thanks for your response!

On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 10:36 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> Please give your Evolution version as things do change over time.

I'm using Evolution 3.44.3-2, from Debian Bookworm. 

> > Why does Evolution do that? Is there any way I can use this email in
> > Evolution without it forcing me to use IMAP?
> > 
> At the bottom of the "Identity" page when creating an account there's a
> tick box "Look up mail server " if that is enabled, Evolution will

[...]

> Untick the box and add all the server details manually:

I did that. It still reverts to the gmail-style account, though.

> Presumably you have everything setup at the gmail side for POP3 access.

Yes, I do. 


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Re: [Evolution] Calendar event mouse-over displays incorrect time format

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Fri, 2022-08-12 at 11:15 -0400, Matt Connell wrote:
> When I mouse-over a calendar event, the pop-up shows the time by the
> 12hr format.  See attached screenshot.
> 
> Is this a code bug, or a problem in some of my system locale
> settings?

Hi,
it looks like the tooltip doesn't respect the time format settings from
the Preferences.

Would you mind to file a bug against Evolution, please?
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/new

It will help to properly track it.

Thanks and bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Pete Biggs]

Please give your Evolution version as things do change over time.

> 
>   Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want to
> keep anything in google's hands. However, when I try to add this email address
> as a POP account, Evolution automatically turns it into a "gmail-type" account
> and reverts to IMAP syncing. 
> 
>   Why does Evolution do that? Is there any way I can use this email in
> Evolution without it forcing me to use IMAP?
> 
At the bottom of the "Identity" page when creating an account there's a
tick box "Look up mail server " if that is enabled, Evolution will
fill in the mail config with what the provider thinks it should be,
which is almost certainly not POP3.

Untick the box and add all the server details manually:

  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=en

Presumably you have everything setup at the gmail side for POP3 access.

P.
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[Evolution] Evolution and gmail

[Francisco M Neto]

Greetings, 

I have been trying to add one of my email accounts to Evolution, but
have had little to no success. 
This particular account is hosted by gmail. Adding it through GNOME's
Online Accounts is easy enough. However, periodically Evolution fails to sync
mail, tasks and/or calendar, and the only solution for that is removing the
account and adding it again. 

Nevertheless, I want to add email through POP; I *really* don't want to
keep anything in google's hands. However, when I try to add this email address
as a POP account, Evolution automatically turns it into a "gmail-type" account
and reverts to IMAP syncing. 

Why does Evolution do that? Is there any way I can use this email in
Evolution without it forcing me to use IMAP?

Thanks
Francisco


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