Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Steve T via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 09:37 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an
> > SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients.
> 
> There is the possibility that the mobile device mail client doesn't
> deal with errors; it either silently - and obliviously - fails or
> leaves the message in "Outbox" or some other holding bin, potentially
> forever.  I've seen this behavior, in the 21st century, unfortunately.
> 

I don't think that's the case, as after forwarding the EMail from the phone 
mail app, the message went into 'sent' and I
subsequently received an acknowledgement from Action Fraud. Whether what they 
received is what I forwarded or not, I
can't tell as their acknowledgement doesn't quote it.
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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Steve T via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 12:22 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote:
> 
> OK. A few observations.  
> 
> The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an
> SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients.
> 
> The fact that the SMTP service used by Evolution detects the phishing
> email, but it's not being detected before it got delivered to you
> indicates that they are two different providers - it's not sensible
> that it would only detect it on outgoing mail!
> 


> Personally, if it is detected by the outgoing SMTP server, and not the
> incoming one, then I would have a serious look at your mail provider
> and ask some questions. It may need some configuration setting to
> reject or spam bin known spam/phish - things are complicated in this
> respect if you use POP

I'm not sure that's  the case. I tend to allow spam through from the EMail 
services I use and I then deal with it within
whichever EMail client I use (usually Evolution). The EMail had had its Subject 
line altered to reflect that it was
'suspect' presumably by some server along the way. It was that modified mail 
that I tried to forward.
 
> 
> Since the phishing attempt is detected by SANE, it's clearly a known
> phish, so sending it to Action Fraud is not a priority. There is
> guidance from NCSC about how to report phishing - including what to do
> if your mail provider blocks it.  See:
> 
>  https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/collection/phishing-scams/report-scam-email
> 
> Two things to note: they don't need to see spam binned stuff & if in
> doubt use a screen shot.
> 
> P.
Thanks for that.
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Re: [Evolution] Freezing Preview pane

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 13:23 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
wrote:
> Disabling and enabling it via Ctrl+M does not help.
> Restarting Evolution helps.

Hi,
the preview panel is backed by the WebKitGTK. If it doesn't repaint,
then (one of) the WebKitWebProcess processes is stuck on something.
Getting a backtrace might help. I'm not suggesting for a full debuginfo
for the WebKitGTK, because it's gigabytes of data. Fedora's
minidebuginfo is sufficient for a rough idea what the process does. it
can be stuck in Evolution's code too, thus having current debuginfo for
evo and evolution-data-server would be welcome.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] html signature in Evolution

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 11:18 +0200, Rik wrote:
> How do i use the signature .html file in Evolution? 

Hi,
I would go to Edit->Preferences->Composer Preferences->Signatures->New,
select format HTML, and then Insert->HTML File... from the menu and
pick the signature file, which will be loaded into the signature
editor, where you can check what it looks like.

I suppose you compose messages in the HTML format, not in any other.

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] New version, new error. dammit

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 12:44 -0500, Tim McConnell via evolution-list
wrote:
> Sep 14 03:09:56 DebianTim evolution-calen[3387]: GError set over the
> top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.#012This indicates a
> bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's
> set.#012The overwriting error message was: SQLite error code '1': no
> such table: ECacheObjects (statement:DELETE FROM ECacheObjects WHERE
> ECacheState=3)

Hi,
it looks like your calendar cache(s) did not survive the update for
some reason. I'd simply:

   $ evolution --force-shutdown

and then

   $ mv ~/.cache/evolution ~/.cache/evolution.bad

Supposing those messages are from the remote calendars/task lists/memo
lists you've configured. The `mv` command moves everything remote,
including mail accounts, and will force to reload all of that. You can
keep the ~/.cache/evolution/mail/, if you want to, especially if
there's no problem with it.

By the way, those tables are ensured to be created after the
calendar/tasks/memos list is opened, could it be the evolution-
calendar-factory was not restarted after update? Though even then I'm
not sure how that could break, unless playing with the
~/.cache/evolution while the processes had been running in the
background (no, closing evolution doesn't close the evolution-data-
server background processes, because some other apps can use them).

Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] New version, new error. dammit

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 12:44 -0500, Tim McConnell wrote:
> Since I upgraded to 3.45.3-2 yesterday, how do I fix it?

You could run under valgrind and/or gdb to find the offending code,
write a patch, and apply it after compiling the software yourself.

Cheers,
andre
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Re: [Evolution] html signature in Evolution

[Michael Kenny via evolution-list]

I had the same issue and to fix it I created a blank html file via command 
line, then placed my signature source html code in that file, and finally added 
it to Evolution. Worked perfectly for me; hope that helps.

Michael

Michael Kenny

Get Outlook for Android

From: evolution-list  on behalf of Rik 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 4:18:10 AM
To: evolution-list@gnome.org 
Subject: [Evolution] html signature in Evolution

Dear Evolution mailing list,
I hope this is the right place for asking support. I am trying to use a 
signature that i have as a .html file, but I am not succeeding. It always gets 
pasted as regular text, except when i select "Markdown as HTML" as the 
signature type, then it looks in the right direction, but all the images give 
errors then and it handles the URLs incorrectly.
How do i use the signature .html file in Evolution?
PS i know the file is OK, because on another PC i use Windows and Outlook, and 
there the file generates a correct signature, including pictures and correct 
links and hyperlinks.
thanks,
Rik
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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Adam Tauno Williams]

> The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an
> SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients.

There is the possibility that the mobile device mail client doesn't
deal with errors; it either silently - and obliviously - fails or
leaves the message in "Outbox" or some other holding bin, potentially
forever.  I've seen this behavior, in the 21st century, unfortunately.

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Systems Administrator, Python Developer, LPI / NCLA

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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 14:49 +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list
wrote:
> Dnia 15.09.2022 o godz. 12:22:13 Pete Biggs pisze:
> > 
> > The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an
> > SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients.
> 
> Unless the client on the phone encodes the forwarded mail in some way that
> causes the SMTP server not detect the fraudulent mail.

I would hope any decent SMTP server would be aware of this sort of
thing. Certainly all the ones I know can mime-decode and base64-decode
message bodies to get at the content.  If it were that easy to by-pass
the scanners the spammers would do nothing but send encoded mails. 

The only thing my scanners can't decode are password encrypted files -
on some it passes them with a warning, on others it rejects any
passworded content.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Jaroslaw Rafa via evolution-list]

Dnia 15.09.2022 o godz. 12:22:13 Pete Biggs pisze:
> 
> The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an
> SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients.

Unless the client on the phone encodes the forwarded mail in some way that
causes the SMTP server not detect the fraudulent mail.
-- 
Regards,
   Jaroslaw Rafa
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Re: [Evolution] Freezing Preview pane

[Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 07:42 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:26 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-
> list wrote:
> > However,  it is a permanent failure.  The pane will remain frozen
> > until I reboot my laptop, which is the pain point.
> 
> Hi,
> is the whole machine frozen, or only the Evolution, or only the
> preview
> panel itself? Is there a higher CPU usage when it freezes? Maybe it's
> doing something in the background, waiting long enough may recover
> it.

Machine isn't busy as everything is responding as expected.   Htop
shows  15-20% 
actvitity on all 4 cores, 20GB out of 24 GB of memory in use, and
typically < 10 GB 
out of 26 GB swap in use ( 24 GB linux swap space and 2GB  swap file ).

It has happened while listening to a live webinar with no obvious
effects... no chop,
no jitter,  and no frozen video.  I typically have VPN connections to
multple remote
devices which also show no sign of the machine being bogged down ( no
connection 
lockup, and no dropping of the connection ).

> 
> Try to run evolution from a terminal:
> 
>    $ flatpak run org.gnome.Evolution

I'll give it a try... and it probably won't happen again  :-)

> 
> and let it freeze, maybe it'll print something useful there. If you
> can
> move between messages, then you might be able to close Evolution as
> well. When you click the close button multiple times, you'll be asked
> whether you want to close the app immediately or keep waiting.
> 
> It should work fine, when you run Evolution again, no? If the whole
> app
> is frozen, then do:
> 
>    $ flatpak kill org.gnome.Evolution

Flatpak kill never works completely.  I always end up with multiple 
flatpak-bwrap and flatpak-dbus-pr files owned by init that even  kill -
9 
won't kill.   Every  2nd or 3rd  attempt to restart Evolution fails as
the starting
process "detects" an already running  evolution.


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Re: [Evolution] Freezing Preview pane

[Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 11:39 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 17:13 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-
> list wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 22:49 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:26 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via
> > > evolution-
> > > list wrote:
> > > > Evolution 3.44.4 (by Flathub.org) 
> > > > Linux Mint 20.3 Una
> > > > Linux 5.15.0-46-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
> > > > 
> > > > Forth time in the last week that my preview pane has frozen.  
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't been watching closely enough to see if it is always
> > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > email message or different 
> > > > email messages.
> > > > 
> > > > However,  it is a permanent failure.  The pane will remain
> > > > frozen
> > > > until
> > > > I reboot my laptop, which is
> > > > the pain point.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyone else seeing similar behavior ?
> > > 
> > > Never seen that. Perhaps mention your desktop and video driver.
> > 
> > Mate 1.26.0
> > Mesa Drivers 21.2.6
> > X11-server  7.7+8
> > Xorg   7.7+19Ubuntu14
> 
> I meant to include your video hardware (Intel, AMD, Nvidia ...) and
> which kernel driver it uses, e.g. the proprietary Nvidia or the open
> source version. However this is relevant mainly if the entire desktop
> freezes. It's not clear from your post if that's what's happening,
> but
> you did mention having to reboot to clear it.

*-display

description: VGA compatible controller
product: 8th Gen Core Processor Gaussian Mixture Model
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 2
bus info: pci@:00:02.0
version: 00
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
resources: irq:125 memory:b000-b0ff memory:a000-afff
ioport:3000(size=64) memory:c-d

 
> 

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Re: [Evolution] Freezing Preview pane

[Pete Biggs]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 13:23 +0200, Andre Klapper via evolution-list
wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 07:42 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> > is the whole machine frozen, or only the Evolution, or only the
> > preview
> > panel itself? Is there a higher CPU usage when it freezes?
> 
> FYI I have seen this myself a few times in Evolution 3.42.x.
> The message preview pane freezes. Not Evolution; not the machine.
> Disabling and enabling it via Ctrl+M does not help.
> Restarting Evolution helps. Haven't found any pattern; also has
> happened with local mail on non-remote (POP) mail accounts.
> No high CPU usage. Wayland; mesa drivers, Fedora 35.
> 
I would concur.  I've occasionally seem message pain freezes and the
only way out is to restart Evolution. I've always put it down to
specific messages causing problems and I get round it by disabling the
preview and deleting the bad message - it's always some inconsequential
advertising thing and I suspect it's to do with bad HTML.  It happens
so rarely these days though.

P.
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Re: [Evolution] Freezing Preview pane

[Andre Klapper via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 07:42 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> is the whole machine frozen, or only the Evolution, or only the
> preview
> panel itself? Is there a higher CPU usage when it freezes?

FYI I have seen this myself a few times in Evolution 3.42.x.
The message preview pane freezes. Not Evolution; not the machine.
Disabling and enabling it via Ctrl+M does not help.
Restarting Evolution helps. Haven't found any pattern; also has
happened with local mail on non-remote (POP) mail accounts.
No high CPU usage. Wayland; mesa drivers, Fedora 35.

Cheers,
andre



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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> Yes, I'm using POP/SMTP - the message is :
> Data Command failed: Message contains malware (detected as 
> Sanesecurity.Phishing.Fake.Coin.29059.UNOFFICIAL)

That's definitely from your SMTP host, not Evolution.  

> > 
> I didn't use my brain - I have a different EMail client on my phone, so I've 
> just forwarded the message from there to
> see what happened. It appears to forward ok.
> 

OK. A few observations.  

The mail must be using different SMTP servers. It's unlikely that an
SMTP server would treat mail differently from different clients.

The fact that the SMTP service used by Evolution detects the phishing
email, but it's not being detected before it got delivered to you
indicates that they are two different providers - it's not sensible
that it would only detect it on outgoing mail!

Personally, if it is detected by the outgoing SMTP server, and not the
incoming one, then I would have a serious look at your mail provider
and ask some questions. It may need some configuration setting to
reject or spam bin known spam/phish - things are complicated in this
respect if you use POP

Since the phishing attempt is detected by SANE, it's clearly a known
phish, so sending it to Action Fraud is not a priority. There is
guidance from NCSC about how to report phishing - including what to do
if your mail provider blocks it.  See:

 https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/collection/phishing-scams/report-scam-email

Two things to note: they don't need to see spam binned stuff & if in
doubt use a screen shot.

P.

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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 06:59 +0100, Steve T via evolution-list wrote:
> From time to time I get EMails that appear to be scams or phishing
> mails. In the UK the police have set up 'Action
> Fraud' - a group that looks into EMail/text scams. The problem I have
> is that when I forward the dubious mail to action
> fraud's Email address, the mail fails to send and gets an error
> message telling me that it is potentially fraudulent!
> 
> Is that message from Evolution or from my mail provider, and if from
> Evolution, can I disable the scam check for an
> individual mail?

It's definitely not from Evolution. Evo never sends you messages on its
own. Furthermore, it doesn't have a "scam check" function. It does
enable external spam checkers such as SpamAssassin or Bogofilter, but
AFAIK neither of these sends auto-generated emails to the user.

poc
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[Evolution] html signature in Evolution

[Rik]

Dear Evolution mailing list,
I hope this is the right place for asking support. I am trying to use a
signature that i have as a .html file, but I am not succeeding. It
always gets pasted as regular text, except when i select "Markdown as
HTML" as the signature type, then it looks in the right direction, but
all the images give errors then and it handles the URLs incorrectly. 
How do i use the signature .html file in Evolution? 
PS i know the file is OK, because on another PC i use Windows and
Outlook, and there the file generates a correct signature, including
pictures and correct links and hyperlinks. 
thanks,
Rik
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[Evolution] New version, new error. dammit

[Tim McConnell via evolution-list]

Hi List,
My logs have been showing: 
Sep 14 03:09:56 DebianTim evolution-calen[3387]: GError set over the
top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.#012This indicates a
bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's
set.#012The overwriting error message was: SQLite error code '1': no
such table: ECacheObjects (statement:DELETE FROM ECacheObjects WHERE
ECacheState=3)
Sep 14 03:09:57 DebianTim evolution-calen[3387]: GError set over the
top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.#012This indicates a
bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's
set.#012The overwriting error message was: SQLite error code '1': no
such table: ECacheObjects (statement:DELETE FROM ECacheObjects WHERE
ECacheState=3)
Sep 14 03:09:57 DebianTim evolution-calen[3387]: GError set over the
top of a previous GError or uninitialized memory.#012This indicates a
bug in someone's code. You must ensure an error is NULL before it's
set.#012The overwriting error message was: SQLite error code '1': no
such table: ECacheObjects (statement:DELETE FROM ECacheObjects WHERE
ECacheState=3)

Since I upgraded to 3.45.3-2 yesterday, how do I fix it? 
Debian Bookworm(Testing) 
DE Mate
Kernel 5.19
Evolution 3.45.3-2
Thanks!

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Re: [Evolution] Freezing Preview pane

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 17:13 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-
list wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 22:49 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:26 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via
> > evolution-
> > list wrote:
> > > Evolution 3.44.4 (by Flathub.org) 
> > > Linux Mint 20.3 Una
> > > Linux 5.15.0-46-generic #49~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
> > > 
> > > Forth time in the last week that my preview pane has frozen.  
> > > 
> > > I haven't been watching closely enough to see if it is always the
> > > same
> > > email message or different 
> > > email messages.
> > > 
> > > However,  it is a permanent failure.  The pane will remain frozen
> > > until
> > > I reboot my laptop, which is
> > > the pain point.
> > > 
> > > Anyone else seeing similar behavior ?
> > 
> > Never seen that. Perhaps mention your desktop and video driver.
> 
> Mate 1.26.0
> Mesa Drivers 21.2.6
> X11-server  7.7+8
> Xorg   7.7+19Ubuntu14

I meant to include your video hardware (Intel, AMD, Nvidia ...) and
which kernel driver it uses, e.g. the proprietary Nvidia or the open
source version. However this is relevant mainly if the entire desktop
freezes. It's not clear from your post if that's what's happening, but
you did mention having to reboot to clear it.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 08:13 +0100, Steve T via evolution-list wrote:
> Data Command failed: Message contains malware (detected as
> Sanesecurity.Phishing.Fake.Coin.29059.UNOFFICIAL)

Hi,
the "Data Command" means DATA command on the SMTP level, aka it's the
server returning the error.

> I have a different EMail client on my phone, so I've just forwarded
> the message from there to see what happened. It appears to forward
> ok.

Interesting, I'm wondering how they could workaround that SMTP server
error. Unless they use a different sending server. Anyway, it's good
you found a way.
Bye,
Milan

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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Steve T via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 08:49 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote:
> On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 06:59 +0100, Steve T via evolution-list wrote:
> > Is that message from Evolution or from my mail provider, and if from
> > Evolution, can I disable the scam check for an individual mail?
> 
> Hi,
> I'd need to see an exact message and when it shows up to know for sure,
> but I guess it returns your SMTP server. 

Yes, I'm using POP/SMTP - the message is :
Data Command failed: Message contains malware (detected as 
Sanesecurity.Phishing.Fake.Coin.29059.UNOFFICIAL)

> You can see what's going on
> under the hood when you run Evolution as:
> 
>    $ CAMEL_DEBUG=smtp evolution
> 
I didn't use my brain - I have a different EMail client on my phone, so I've 
just forwarded the message from there to
see what happened. It appears to forward ok.


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Re: [Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Milan Crha via evolution-list]

On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 06:59 +0100, Steve T via evolution-list wrote:
> Is that message from Evolution or from my mail provider, and if from
> Evolution, can I disable the scam check for an individual mail?

Hi,
I'd need to see an exact message and when it shows up to know for sure,
but I guess it returns your SMTP server. You can see what's going on
under the hood when you run Evolution as:

   $ CAMEL_DEBUG=smtp evolution

and try to re-send the message. I guess you use SMTP, you did not say
that.

I do not know whether acceptable by the recipients, but maybe if you
save the message to an mbox file (right-click it, it's in the context
menu), then compress it with a .zip and that compressed file will be
sent to the involved parties, then maybe it'll avoid the error.

In any case, Evolution itself doesn't do any spam filtering when
sending messages, it scans for spam on received messages only.
Bye,
Milan

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[Evolution] Forwarding a mail to action fraud that is potentially fraudulent

[Steve T via evolution-list]

>From time to time I get EMails that appear to be scams or phishing mails. In 
>the UK the police have set up 'Action
Fraud' - a group that looks into EMail/text scams. The problem I have is that 
when I forward the dubious mail to action
fraud's Email address, the mail fails to send and gets an error message telling 
me that it is potentially fraudulent!

Is that message from Evolution or from my mail provider, and if from Evolution, 
can I disable the scam check for an
individual mail?

Thanks,
Steve T
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