Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto via evolution-list]

Hi!  I reply below:

Em [2022-09-19 seg 08:31:57-0400], Adam Tauno Williams escreveu:

> More exotic suggestion: just skip the signature.  They were useful
> once upon a time, long ago; today they really accomplish nothing.
> Including anything but your name is largely a waste of time.

Hum, maybe I should trim down the signature to one line: my workplace
organizational unit and its hierarchy.  I think this is useful as I may
change organizational unit in the future, and I want my emails to inform
which organizational unit I belonged to at the time.

If the organizational unit is a single line, then Outlook won't mangle
it.

Thank you for the suggestion!

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Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-09-19 at 08:31 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-09-19 at 08:08 -0300, Jorge P. de Morais Neto via
> evolution-list wrote:
> > Hi.  I reply below:
> > Em [2022-09-19 seg 00:54:15+0200], Ángel escreveu:
> > > If the problem is only surfacing on the signature, maybe you
> > > could
> > > setup your signature with doubled newlines?
> >  thank you for the tip, but that would add five newlines to my
> > messages, which I think would be too much.
> 
> More exotic suggestion: just skip the signature.  They were useful
> once
> upon a time, long ago; today they really accomplish nothing. 
> Including
> anything but your name is largely a waste of time.
> 

+1

I stopped adding an automatic signature well over 20 years ago.

poc
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Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Adam Tauno Williams]

On Mon, 2022-09-19 at 08:08 -0300, Jorge P. de Morais Neto via
evolution-list wrote:
> Hi.  I reply below:
> Em [2022-09-19 seg 00:54:15+0200], Ángel escreveu:
> > If the problem is only surfacing on the signature, maybe you could
> > setup your signature with doubled newlines?
>  thank you for the tip, but that would add five newlines to my
> messages, which I think would be too much.

More exotic suggestion: just skip the signature.  They were useful once
upon a time, long ago; today they really accomplish nothing.  Including
anything but your name is largely a waste of time.

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Adam Tauno Williams  GPG D95ED383

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Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto via evolution-list]

Hi.  I reply below:

Em [2022-09-19 seg 00:54:15+0200], Ángel escreveu:

> If the problem is only surfacing on the signature, maybe you could
> setup your signature with doubled newlines?

I thank you for the tip, but that would add five newlines to my
messages, which I think would be too much.

My work messages currently look like:

Atenciosamente,
--





If I doubled the newlines, it would look like this:

Atenciosamente,

--









Regards,
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Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Ángel]

On 2022-08-31 at 19:59 -0300, Jorge P. de Morais Neto wrote:
> The situation is a bit disappointing, but anyway I thank you for
> replying.
> 
> Regards,
>   Jorge

If the problem is only surfacing on the signature, maybe you could
setup your signature with doubled newlines?

Regards
Ángel


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Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto via evolution-list]

Hi.  I reply below:

Em [2022-08-28 dom 13:29:29+0100], Pete Biggs escreveu:

> If your work requires you to use HTML emails, then I suspect it's a
> battle not worth fighting.  However when you use HTML, Evolution
> surrounds the sig with   to try and maintain it's integrity
> and that seems to work OK for me.  Perhaps you just need to adjust your
> sig so that it looks OK after Outlook has done things to it.

The situation is a bit disappointing, but anyway I thank you for
replying.

Regards,
  Jorge
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[Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto via evolution-list]

Hi.  My workplace sadly uses Microsoft technologies for collaboration
and MS Outlook as the default email client.  I instead use Evolution on
a GNU/Linux virtual machine (VM).  I used to compose emails in plain
text, but then my boss told me to use HTML because plain text emails
look bad on MS Outlook.

MS Outlook removes most newlines from plain text emails, sparing only
runs of two or more consecutive newlines.  That's the Auto Remove Line
Breaks (mis)feature, which is enabled by default.

For most text paragraphs this looks acceptable, but some kinds of text,
such as the mail signature, look pretty bad.  Is there anything I can do
from Evolution side to attenuate the problem?  For example, is it
possible to configure Evolution to use HTML for the signature only,
while sending plain text for all else?  Any other workaround?

Regards

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Re: [Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Pete Biggs]

> 
> For most text paragraphs this looks acceptable, but some kinds of text,
> such as mail signatures, look pretty bad.  Is there anything I can do
> from Evolution side to attenuate the problem?  For example, is it
> possible to configure Evolution to use HTML for the signature only,
> while sending plain text for all else?  Any other workaround?
> 

The signature forms part of the text, it's not a different section of
the email, so it follows the same format as the email (or MIME part). 
I don't think Outlook even acknowledges the existence of the '--'
sig separator.

If your work requires you to use HTML emails, then I suspect it's a
battle not worth fighting. However when you use HTML, Evolution
surrounds the sig with   to try and maintain it's integrity
and that seems to work OK for me.  Perhaps you just need to adjust your
sig so that it looks OK after Outlook has done things to it.

P.
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[Evolution] Compose plain text emails that render well on MS Outlook

[Jorge P. de Morais Neto via evolution-list]

Hi.  My workplace sadly uses Microsoft technologies for collaboration
and MS Outlook as the default email client.  I instead use Evolution on
a GNU/Linux virtual machine (VM).  I used to compose emails in plain
text, but then my boss told me to use HTML because plain text emails
look bad on MS Outlook.

MS Outlook removes most newlines from plain text emails, sparing only
runs of two or more consecutive newlines.  That's the Auto Remove Line
Breaks (mis)feature, which is enabled by default.

For most text paragraphs this looks acceptable, but some kinds of text,
such as mail signatures, look pretty bad.  Is there anything I can do
from Evolution side to attenuate the problem?  For example, is it
possible to configure Evolution to use HTML for the signature only,
while sending plain text for all else?  Any other workaround?

Regards

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