Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On 2022-10-23 at 16:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > What I can't understand is that all the Fedora lists, some of which > > I > > am on, continue to be run via Mailman, and presumably by staff that > > work for RedHat. This doesn't look to me like a RedHat decision. > > I've posted a question to the Fedora Users list: > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XXRBCEM3UQSLPPITR5L27HRPER3HZZHM/ > > Note that the list also has a web interface (HyperKitty), which is > different from Discourse. Hooray for consistency. > > poc hyperkitty is part of mailman3. [ mailman3 has a modular approach, hyperkitty is the module which shows the archives and lets you interact with them. In theory you could use a different archiver than hyperkitty while keeping mailman core (but hyperkitty is the only implementation so far). ] While mailman3 interface was designed to be more forum-like, trying to make it attractive, it's still a good old mailing list under the hood. I understand that gnome no longer wants to support mailman2. However, I would have expected to upgrade to mailman3. Yes, it is a major version upgrade. And yes, gnome has lots of mailing lists. Nonetheless, it *IS* a supported upgrade, and many other organizations (including ones with loads of mailing lists) have been able to do it. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
Thanks to everyone who has been trying to do something about this. Its sad the more ML's move to web forums, i've been on a few like that and its never been the same, they lose a lot of good people. On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 8:28 AM Ralf Mardorf via mc wrote: > Hi, > > it's worth to forward this [1] to other GNOME mailing lists. > > Regards, > Ralf > > [1] > Forwarded Message > To: evolution-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists > hosted by Gnome.org > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:19:21 -0400 > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > > unavailable? > > Just to reiterate and clarify, there is no "Mailman is unavailable" > situation. Mailman has versions that support Python2 and Python3, and > Python2 is still supported in many places (but maybe not in Gnome land). > Gnome appears to be blaming python2 and Mailman, but it really seems > that Gnome just really wants to give up email support in favor of > support via web browser (with future ads, click tracking, data > harvesting, etc?). > > I've offered to host, for Gnome, for free, everything they currently > have at mail.gnome.org (all they would have to do is switch DNS for the > subdomain mail.gnome.org to my systems and provide me with a copy of > their current Mailman2 lists and archives). I've been doing Mailman2 > mailinglists for 2 decades, and have tons of experience in this area. > Sadly, no one from Gnome has contacted me to take me up on this offer. > > -Jim P. > ___ > mc mailing list > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc > ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
William Oliver said on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 09:20:11 -0400 >I don't have much of a dog in this fight. I subscribed to this list >because I had a specific question (which folk helped me with quickly, >and thanks to all) -- and then just never bothered to unsubscribe. Then why the lecture on volunteering? You have no dog in this fight. SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:12 -0400, dfc wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:19 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > > > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > > > unavailable? > > > > > > ... > > > I've offered to host, for Gnome, for free, everything they currently > > have at mail.gnome.org (all they would have to do is switch DNS for > > the > > subdomain mail.gnome.org to my systems and provide me with a copy of > > their current Mailman2 lists and archives). I've been doing Mailman2 > > mailinglists for 2 decades, and have tons of experience in this area. > > Sadly, no one from Gnome has contacted me to take me up on this > > offer. > > > > That is unfortunate and it seems like a generous offer on your part. > > How long have they been silent about that offer? > I don't think I've been silent about it, although I haven't been overly chatty about it either. I only found out about this issue at the same time everyone else here did. I mentioned the offer in a post, and then a follow-up post, both on this past Thursday. -Jim P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:19 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > > unavailable? > > ... > I've offered to host, for Gnome, for free, everything they currently > have at mail.gnome.org (all they would have to do is switch DNS for > the > subdomain mail.gnome.org to my systems and provide me with a copy of > their current Mailman2 lists and archives). I've been doing Mailman2 > mailinglists for 2 decades, and have tons of experience in this area. > Sadly, no one from Gnome has contacted me to take me up on this > offer. > That is unfortunate and it seems like a generous offer on your part. How long have they been silent about that offer? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:40 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 15:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that > > > are > > > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort. The "powers > > > that > > > be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- > > > even > > > if > > > the people at the very top are being paid a little. Sometimes > > > that's > > > because they believe in a "cause," sometimes because they like > > > being > > > the expert at something, sometimes because they like being a > > > useful > > > part of an organization. But whatever the gain, it's still for > > > free. > > > > Except Gnome is a Foundation and it is supported by a large number > > of > > very large tech companies. Most of the infrastructure is provided > > by > > Redhat and they have a large presence on the Gnome Foundation > > board. > > > > What I can't understand is that all the Fedora lists, some of which I > am on, continue to be run via Mailman, and presumably by staff that > work for RedHat. This doesn't look to me like a RedHat decision. I've posted a question to the Fedora Users list: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XXRBCEM3UQSLPPITR5L27HRPER3HZZHM/ Note that the list also has a web interface (HyperKitty), which is different from Discourse. Hooray for consistency. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
Some Fedora lists has been moved to the Fedora Discourse however, and some lists are still there, i think Matt knows more On 10/23/22, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 15:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: >> > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are >> > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort. The "powers >> > that >> > be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- even >> > if >> > the people at the very top are being paid a little. Sometimes >> > that's >> > because they believe in a "cause," sometimes because they like >> > being >> > the expert at something, sometimes because they like being a useful >> > part of an organization. But whatever the gain, it's still for >> > free. >> >> Except Gnome is a Foundation and it is supported by a large number of >> very large tech companies. Most of the infrastructure is provided by >> Redhat and they have a large presence on the Gnome Foundation board. >> > > What I can't understand is that all the Fedora lists, some of which I > am on, continue to be run via Mailman, and presumably by staff that > work for RedHat. This doesn't look to me like a RedHat decision. > > poc > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 15:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are > > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort. The "powers > > that > > be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- even > > if > > the people at the very top are being paid a little. Sometimes > > that's > > because they believe in a "cause," sometimes because they like > > being > > the expert at something, sometimes because they like being a useful > > part of an organization. But whatever the gain, it's still for > > free. > > Except Gnome is a Foundation and it is supported by a large number of > very large tech companies. Most of the infrastructure is provided by > Redhat and they have a large presence on the Gnome Foundation board. > What I can't understand is that all the Fedora lists, some of which I am on, continue to be run via Mailman, and presumably by staff that work for RedHat. This doesn't look to me like a RedHat decision. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
Hi, it's worth to forward this [1] to other GNOME mailing lists. Regards, Ralf [1] Forwarded Message To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:19:21 -0400 On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > unavailable? Just to reiterate and clarify, there is no "Mailman is unavailable" situation. Mailman has versions that support Python2 and Python3, and Python2 is still supported in many places (but maybe not in Gnome land). Gnome appears to be blaming python2 and Mailman, but it really seems that Gnome just really wants to give up email support in favor of support via web browser (with future ads, click tracking, data harvesting, etc?). I've offered to host, for Gnome, for free, everything they currently have at mail.gnome.org (all they would have to do is switch DNS for the subdomain mail.gnome.org to my systems and provide me with a copy of their current Mailman2 lists and archives). I've been doing Mailman2 mailinglists for 2 decades, and have tons of experience in this area. Sadly, no one from Gnome has contacted me to take me up on this offer. -Jim P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > unavailable? Just to reiterate and clarify, there is no "Mailman is unavailable" situation. Mailman has versions that support Python2 and Python3, and Python2 is still supported in many places (but maybe not in Gnome land). Gnome appears to be blaming python2 and Mailman, but it really seems that Gnome just really wants to give up email support in favor of support via web browser (with future ads, click tracking, data harvesting, etc?). I've offered to host, for Gnome, for free, everything they currently have at mail.gnome.org (all they would have to do is switch DNS for the subdomain mail.gnome.org to my systems and provide me with a copy of their current Mailman2 lists and archives). I've been doing Mailman2 mailinglists for 2 decades, and have tons of experience in this area. Sadly, no one from Gnome has contacted me to take me up on this offer. -Jim P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc wrote: > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > unavailable? Is Lyris suitable? What features (technically speaking) > must the platform possess? Hi, I can't answer those questions. However, Linux server can run Mailman 3 without issues. See https://lists.archlinux.org/mailman3/lists/arch-general.lists.archlinux.org/ and at the bottom click "Postorius Documentation", it shows: "Requirements Postorius requires Python 3.7+. The minimum Django version is 3.2. Postorius needs a running version of GNU Mailman version 3.3.5." FWIW https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2022-October/msg00057.html Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 09:20 -0400, William Oliver wrote: > > ... > FreeBSD has a way better reason to discontinue Mailman, since it's > more > or less impossible to port Mailman 3 to a FreeBSD servers, hence they > simply migrated to another mailing list software. > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is unavailable? Is Lyris suitable? What features (technically speaking) must the platform possess? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
> > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort. The "powers that > be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- even if > the people at the very top are being paid a little. Sometimes that's > because they believe in a "cause," sometimes because they like being > the expert at something, sometimes because they like being a useful > part of an organization. But whatever the gain, it's still for free. Except Gnome is a Foundation and it is supported by a large number of very large tech companies. Most of the infrastructure is provided by Redhat and they have a large presence on the Gnome Foundation board. The people are not volunteers. They are paid either by the Foundation through donations or are seconded to the role by their employer. Companies such as Redhat rely so much on Gnome, it is in their best interests to keep it running smoothly. That's not to say that there aren't volunteers involved, of course there is, but the decisions such as this come from the Foundation Board which consists of representatives from the sponsors and elected people from the community. I think what disappoints me most is that some of the people have roles that include community engagement, and that has clearly not happened. There was never any discussion about this as far as any of the mailing list members were aware. It just landed on our doorstep. > > I strongly suspect that the reason this change is being made is not for > some nefarious "control" reason or some bad goal. I suspect that its > about making it easier for whoever is volunteering to keep this stuff > going. *I* don't think it is for control. I think it's because nobody was interested in dealing with the issues of Mailman within the Foundation. They had a tool - Discourse - that looked to them to be perfectly adequate and decided that there was no reason to spend resources and manpower on keeping the lists going. I really get the feeling that they are bewildered by the push-back they are getting from some of the mailing lists. I think some of the decision has been driven by the perception that mailing lists are "old technology" and have had their day. Comments I've seen in other places clearly show that email is looked down on as being inferior to other messaging platforms. The problem with following fads such as this is that there'll be another one along soon. Ultimately, as with all big institutions and change, there is no real concern over individuals. The attitude is often "make the change and fix the issues after" or "they'll grouch but they'll get over it - we might break some things but overall it will be worth it"; unfortunately the "some things" may be a minor part of the whole, but they are everything to some individuals. > > The solution is almost never for non-volunteers to grumble. The > solution is usually to become that free labor and be the guy or gal who > says "Sure, as long as it's mailman3." Or walk away knowing that there's no point in continuing. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:13 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. > > ^^^ > > Pass the bong :D > > > > What is PTB for? > > The "Powers That Be". Usually reserved for faceless people who make > decisions for what they perceive to be the best interests of other > people. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_powers_that_be#:~:text=In%20idiomatic%20English%2C%20%22the%20powers,rather%20than%20a%20subjunctive%20be > . See also PHB: Pointy Haired Boss poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 09:20 -0400, William Oliver wrote: > I strongly suspect that the reason this change is being made is not for > some nefarious "control" reason or some bad goal. I suspect that its > about making it easier for whoever is volunteering to keep this stuff > going. Hi, if so, why was it possible to sent the announcement to the mailing lists at 20 Oct 2022, but impossible to do it earlier, to give the communities a chance to run their own lists? The moderators and subscribers of the lists hosted by GNOME are volunteers, too. "They" gave us less than 2 weeks to find a solution that satisfies another part of the communities. The non-profit GNOME Foundation is not a small project by a few coders, it is a relatively huge foundation. All support forums of proprietary software, let alone FLOSS software, that I know, stay away from gamification, "an allegedly populist idea that actually benefits corporate interests over those of ordinary people" [1]. GNOME is the only exception that I know, that only provides support by Discourse. I've seen that FreeBSD has a Discourse forum, too, but they continue with all kinds of other support channels. FreeBSD has a way better reason to discontinue Mailman, since it's more or less impossible to port Mailman 3 to a FreeBSD servers, hence they simply migrated to another mailing list software. You might be right, but your guess isn't evident. It's hard to believe that you are right. I have got valid doubts. Regards, Ralf [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification#Criticism ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:13 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > The "Powers That Be". Usually reserved for faceless people who make > decisions for what they perceive to be the best interests of other > people. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_powers_that_be#:~:text=In%20idiomatic%20English%2C%20%22the%20powers,rather%20than%20a%20subjunctive%20be > . > > > P. > I don't have much of a dog in this fight. I subscribed to this list because I had a specific question (which folk helped me with quickly, and thanks to all) -- and then just never bothered to unsubscribe. I read about 20% of the stuff that rolls by. I read it as a general educational experience. I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort. The "powers that be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- even if the people at the very top are being paid a little. Sometimes that's because they believe in a "cause," sometimes because they like being the expert at something, sometimes because they like being a useful part of an organization. But whatever the gain, it's still for free. For these people (including me in my organizations) one driving issue is ease of accomplishing whatever task it is they have to do. If I spend 20 hours a week working on a committee and I figure out a way to do the same work in 10 hours, I'm all for it. And if that savings of 10 hours means that the users have to spend an extra 5 minutes a week each, that's a sacrifice I'm willing for them to make. Plus, it's easier to recruit someone to help if it takes 10 hours of their time rather than 20. Another thing that drives this is what the volunteers are comfortable with. If I volunteer to run a mailing list (and I do), it's not going to be on Windows and it *will* be mailman3, because I've installed and run mailman3 and run it on multiple platforms and I feel comfortable with it. So if someone were to come to me in one of my organizations and say "Hey, Bill, we need to set up a mailing list." I'd say "Sure, as long as it's mailman3 on Debian." But, if I were a fan of Discourse, what I would say was "Sure, as long as it's on Discourse." I strongly suspect that the reason this change is being made is not for some nefarious "control" reason or some bad goal. I suspect that its about making it easier for whoever is volunteering to keep this stuff going. The solution is almost never for non-volunteers to grumble. The solution is usually to become that free labor and be the guy or gal who says "Sure, as long as it's mailman3." ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:13 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. > > ^^^ > > Pass the bong :D > > > > What is PTB for? > > The "Powers That Be". Usually reserved for faceless people who make > decisions for what they perceive to be the best interests of other > people. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_powers_that_be#:~:text=In%20idiomatic%20English%2C%20%22the%20powers,rather%20than%20a%20subjunctive%20be. Hi thank you, the Wiki link leads to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmo3HFa2vjg ,a nice example that fighting the power is possible. Not necessarily this band, but a lot of bands from this genre are using one of the best record players, that was discontinued by the company. After a petition it's manufactured again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technics_SL-1200#Re-launch_petition . Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. > ^^^ > Pass the bong :D > > What is PTB for? The "Powers That Be". Usually reserved for faceless people who make decisions for what they perceive to be the best interests of other people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_powers_that_be#:~:text=In%20idiomatic%20English%2C%20%22the%20powers,rather%20than%20a%20subjunctive%20be. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. ^^^ Pass the bong :D What is PTB for? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 06:50 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently > scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? > The full list is at https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo with archives here https://mail.gnome.org/archives/ Many of the lists are probably not active - certainly the gnome-* lists would almost certainly already be using Discourse and many of the others are extremely low volume and would probably be better suited to Discourse. But they are all being turned off in 7 days. Interestingly there is no mention on mail.gnome.org that the lists are going away! The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. They've been planning this for a long time and we would have known if we were good Gnome citizens and looked at the correct lists. It's our own fault for not planning ahead. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 06:50 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently > scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? Hi, all GNOME mailing lists are affected, https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo . I don't know if the majority of subscribers to all mailing lists are upset, but it's a point at https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/ . What? MC is GNOME? I'm not surprised that the users are pissed off, too, see https://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc/ . Note, not everybody already noticed what's going on. Forwarded Message From: [...] To: ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: GNOME drops mailing lists end of this month Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 00:05:20 +0800 "[snip] Unfortunately, as I have found today,, this also applies to the The GIMP mailing list. I had not realised that The GIMP is gnome - I had thought the G stood for GNU, not gnome. It is sad that The GIMP is now tainted by the gnomes' actions. [snip]" Regards, Ralf ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 06:50 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently > scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? > > This will be helpful to know if one is trying to convince a major > organization to step up and host evolution and possibly brethren > too. To be clear: to host evolution-list and other *-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org
What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? This will be helpful to know if one is trying to convince a major organization to step up and host evolution and possibly brethren too. Thanks, David ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
