Re: OT: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration
I definitely agree with the points MBS has made. You have to be customer-focused, and you need at least one good customer that you can rely upon -- both for work and for payment of said work. I've done consulting on and off for years, sometimes as extra income, and sometimes in between jobs. For the past two years, it has been 100% full time, and I cannot envision going back. :) Broad experience can be helpful, but consulting incorporates all elements of the work (sales, marketing, accounting, etc), so be prepared to do these as well. Don't chase every job, but if you do, make sure you do it well. A bad reputation kills. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker *Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market...* On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: Eh We used to have a consulting DL. This is OT for this DL. So I tagged it in the subject. J I started out working as a consultant - then spent over 18 years in the corporate world - and then have been back consulting for the last 15 years. I have about 150 customers. Usually I can schedule things between them all pretty easily. But I have explained to everyone that emergencies win. It's been fine in the last 15 years (except when, 2 years ago, I had to check out for about 3 months when my Dad was very very sick - I lost 3 customers during that timeframe - but family always wins with me). The best thing I can suggest to you is to have at least one large customer lined up. And don't kid yourself - if you are not customer-service oriented, don't do it. *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *ccollins9 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:38 PM *To:* exchange *Subject:* Re: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration I currently work for the man but often ruminate on going independent. Do any of you have some good resources I could check out for prepping for a transition like this? I'm the i don't know where to start guy. In all of the places I have worked, I quickly rise to the top of the heap and become the primary tech on all major assignments, designs and projects. I've only worked in small places (less than 1,000 users) and sometimes wonder if I would be stretched too thin if doing independent work. Thanks! On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Adam Farage afar...@outlook.com wrote: Depends.. I never dealt with reselling hardware, so most orgs are only paying me for exchange services, not hardware / software (as you need a COS for that in NY, and I'm not touching that with a million mile pole). Adam F -- *From: *J- P jnat...@hotmail.com *Sent: *5/13/2014 7:39 PM *To: *exchange@lists.myitforum.com *Subject: *RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration If you have no paperwork, getting your $$$ is not an easy task :) Not really, don't give them the product key - once activation expires you'll get paid LOL Jean-Paul Natola -- To: exchange@lists.myitforum.com From: afar...@outlook.com Subject: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 18:36:47 -0400 I agree with Mike.. I have worked at a few large companies as an exchange guy, and the first thing prior to any work is done would be a statement of work, and a scope RFS to outline the amount of time / hourly or flat rate you are going to charge.. I took this same practice when I did independent consulting.. If you have no paperwork, getting your $$$ is not an easy task My rate was about 150-200 /hr + travel expenses. Adam F -- *From: *Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com *Sent: *5/13/2014 5:48 PM *To: *exchange@lists.myitforum.com *Subject: *[Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration You did a migration without having a contract FIRST? Ay yi yi... I charge more if I go onsite vs. being able to work from my office. I charge even more if TE aren't included. For my local area, I'm VERY expensive. But companies pay it, because I generally get it right the first time. J As an international consultant, I'm pretty inexpensive. The methodology I learned when I first started consulting (in the 1980's) was butt-leaves-chair - clock starts. Then butt-returns-to-chair - clock ends. For the most part, I still follow that philosophy. It's all about the value you provide. *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelsey, John *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2014 3:17 PM *To:* 'exchange@lists.myitforum.com' *Subject:* [Exchange] Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration Recently did an email migration for a fairly small shop (about 200 users) from Exchange 2003 up to 2010. Not really sure what/how to charge them. I was thinking of doing a
RE: OT: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration
While on the subject, How do most go about charging when a company wants to contract you as their IT dept do you charge by users or devices? Also do you charge any different if there are multiple sites? case in point, client has 60 FT employees Remote site 3 users and 2008 server (for DFSR) Main site; 5 physical servers 4 virtual virtual among them; EX2013 Citrix RDWeb/2X WSS SUS 3CX VOIP File server/DFSR Print OSX Server Servers, range from 2003 to 2012 45 desktops 10 MACs and pretty much everyone has a tablet and or laptop of some sort This is for mon-fri 9x5 support only ( Projects , emergencies, weekends not included) Jean-Paul Natola From: asbz...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 09:26:39 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration To: exchange@lists.myitforum.com I definitely agree with the points MBS has made. You have to be customer-focused, and you need at least one good customer that you can rely upon -- both for work and for payment of said work. I've done consulting on and off for years, sometimes as extra income, and sometimes in between jobs. For the past two years, it has been 100% full time, and I cannot envision going back. :) Broad experience can be helpful, but consulting incorporates all elements of the work (sales, marketing, accounting, etc), so be prepared to do these as well. Don't chase every job, but if you do, make sure you do it well. A bad reputation kills. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Eh…. We used to have a consulting DL. This is OT for this DL. So I tagged it in the subject. J I started out working as a consultant – then spent over 18 years in the corporate world – and then have been back consulting for the last 15 years. I have about 150 customers. Usually I can schedule things between them all pretty easily. But I have explained to everyone that “emergencies win”. It’s been fine in the last 15 years (except when, 2 years ago, I had to check out for about 3 months when my Dad was very very sick – I lost 3 customers during that timeframe – but family always wins with me). The best thing I can suggest to you is to have at least one large customer lined up. And don’t kid yourself – if you are not customer-service oriented, don’t do it. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of ccollins9 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:38 PM To: exchange Subject: Re: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration I currently work for the man but often ruminate on going independent. Do any of you have some good resources I could check out for prepping for a transition like this? I'm the i don't know where to start guy. In all of the places I have worked, I quickly rise to the top of the heap and become the primary tech on all major assignments, designs and projects. I've only worked in small places (less than 1,000 users) and sometimes wonder if I would be stretched too thin if doing independent work. Thanks! On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Adam Farage afar...@outlook.com wrote: Depends.. I never dealt with reselling hardware, so most orgs are only paying me for exchange services, not hardware / software (as you need a COS for that in NY, and I'm not touching that with a million mile pole). Adam F From: J- P Sent: 5/13/2014 7:39 PM To: exchange@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration If you have no paperwork, getting your $$$ is not an easy task :) Not really, don't give them the product key - once activation expires you'll get paid LOL Jean-Paul Natola To: exchange@lists.myitforum.com From: afar...@outlook.com Subject: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 18:36:47 -0400 I agree with Mike.. I have worked at a few large companies as an exchange guy, and the first thing prior to any work is done would be a statement of work, and a scope RFS to outline the amount of time / hourly or flat rate you are going to charge.. I took this same practice when I did independent consulting.. If you have no paperwork, getting your $$$ is not an easy task My rate was about 150-200 /hr + travel expenses. Adam F From: Michael B. Smith Sent: 5/13/2014 5:48 PM To: exchange@lists.myitforum.com Subject: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration You did a migration without having a contract FIRST? Ay yi yi… I charge more if I go onsite vs. being able to work from my office. I charge even more if TE aren’t included. For my local area, I’m VERY expensive. But companies pay it, because I generally get it right the first time. J
RE: OT: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration
Yes. Each device has a per-month cost associated with it. Each user is allowed, within that, some level of issues requiring your dedicated support. Over that, users garner an additional charge. Devices never do. (As long as you require the client to have a current support contract for every device - otherwise, all bets are off.) While not sharing my particular cost-basis, that size of company would have a significant bill, just based on devices requiring monthly touches. Of course multiple sites have adders, based on whether I am responsible for the network and routers/switches. (Personally, I prefer to avoid hardware and to sub it out to some of my trusted partners.) From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of J- P Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:05 PM To: exchange@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: OT: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration While on the subject, How do most go about charging when a company wants to contract you as their IT dept do you charge by users or devices? Also do you charge any different if there are multiple sites? case in point, client has 60 FT employees Remote site 3 users and 2008 server (for DFSR) Main site; 5 physical servers 4 virtual virtual among them; EX2013 Citrix RDWeb/2X WSS SUS 3CX VOIP File server/DFSR Print OSX Server Servers, range from 2003 to 2012 45 desktops 10 MACs and pretty much everyone has a tablet and or laptop of some sort This is for mon-fri 9x5 support only ( Projects , emergencies, weekends not included) Jean-Paul Natola From: asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 09:26:39 -0400 Subject: Re: OT: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration To: exchange@lists.myitforum.commailto:exchange@lists.myitforum.com I definitely agree with the points MBS has made. You have to be customer-focused, and you need at least one good customer that you can rely upon -- both for work and for payment of said work. I've done consulting on and off for years, sometimes as extra income, and sometimes in between jobs. For the past two years, it has been 100% full time, and I cannot envision going back. :) Broad experience can be helpful, but consulting incorporates all elements of the work (sales, marketing, accounting, etc), so be prepared to do these as well. Don't chase every job, but if you do, make sure you do it well. A bad reputation kills. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerhttp://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market... On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Eh We used to have a consulting DL. This is OT for this DL. So I tagged it in the subject. :) I started out working as a consultant - then spent over 18 years in the corporate world - and then have been back consulting for the last 15 years. I have about 150 customers. Usually I can schedule things between them all pretty easily. But I have explained to everyone that emergencies win. It's been fine in the last 15 years (except when, 2 years ago, I had to check out for about 3 months when my Dad was very very sick - I lost 3 customers during that timeframe - but family always wins with me). The best thing I can suggest to you is to have at least one large customer lined up. And don't kid yourself - if you are not customer-service oriented, don't do it. From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.commailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of ccollins9 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:38 PM To: exchange Subject: Re: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration I currently work for the man but often ruminate on going independent. Do any of you have some good resources I could check out for prepping for a transition like this? I'm the i don't know where to start guy. In all of the places I have worked, I quickly rise to the top of the heap and become the primary tech on all major assignments, designs and projects. I've only worked in small places (less than 1,000 users) and sometimes wonder if I would be stretched too thin if doing independent work. Thanks! On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Adam Farage afar...@outlook.commailto:afar...@outlook.com wrote: Depends.. I never dealt with reselling hardware, so most orgs are only paying me for exchange services, not hardware / software (as you need a COS for that in NY, and I'm not touching that with a million mile pole). Adam F From: J- Pmailto:jnat...@hotmail.com Sent: 5/13/2014 7:39 PM To: exchange@lists.myitforum.commailto:exchange@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [Exchange] RE: Labor rate for 2003-2010 migration If you have no paperwork, getting your $$$ is not an easy task :) Not really, don't give them
