Re: [expert] Defragging
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:25:12 -0800, Dave Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good evening, James... On Tuesday 25 February 2003 10:15 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 14:41, civileme wrote: there is a utility for defragging ext2 though it is hardly worth the trouble of running. It used to make big performance gains for ext Might you have a link to this utility? It might be handy for running usenet news which, as we all know, is notorious for fragmenting an ext2 file system pretty badly. Dave There's one at http://www.oosoft.de/english/products/oodlinux/index.html It's still in beta, so don't try it on sensitive data (or at the very least do a backup first). -- Sridhar Dhanapalan [Yama | http://www.pclinuxonline.com/] Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen a angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100 mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had. -- Linus Torvalds pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.1 release date?
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:05 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lonnie Cumberland wrote on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 08:45:14AM -0800 : I was just wondering if someone knows the expected release date of the actual 9.1 version? Second week of April, give or take. Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd: What is the anticipated interval until the CD sets are delivered? -- cmg (no blue skies here; yet another ice storm is on the way.) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Normally none. Deno posted in Mandrake Club that iso and CDs will be available to ordering people and club members first, and not publicly released before people receive them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 10:50 pm, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:12 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. Anne If you buy a boxed set from mandrakestore, they see about half the proceeds. If you buy a boxed set from a computer store or office supply, they see about $4 for out of the price. If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme - interested from a business pov - 'covering costs' of the club? I imagine most of that is labour costs? Presumably there are optimum numbers of club members for those costs? If we get more members, would the 'share' received increase? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 12:53 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Mandrake releases X.0, X.1, X.2. Then it jumps to Y.0, Y.1, Y.2. It has nothing to do with point releases or version releases. Technically, they are ALL version releases. Which was exactly my point. Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] userdrake problem
Hi, I'm not getting any error msgs at all... it just quits silently.. But I've tried xhost +localhost and that doesn't help, so I guess it's not an X authorization problem... Hans On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 01:01, Jayce D. Dowell wrote: Hans, Are you getting any other error messages? I had a problem similar to this once with linuxconf. Turns out that root was not authorized to connect to my X session. Jayce On Friday 21 February 2003 12:20 pm, SainTiss wrote: Hi, when I run userdrake as user, it asks for my root pass, and then runs fine... However, when I do su or su - first, and then run userdrake, it does nothing, just silently exits... Running userdrake.real after su does work... Any ideas? Thanks, Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is absolutely viable office conf running well and fast. And such boxes are very much in use around here. Now try running Linux with OpenOffice on such a box. There is absolutely no way to achieve comparable perfomance, whatever distro, kernel, window manager you run. In fact, comparing GUI loading times does not matter for me - its usually once-a-day event. But if loading times of OOo and MSO differ in minutes not seconds it is a showstopper. And no good explanation helps. Also suggestions to use something else instead of OOo monster are completely useless. Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 01:36, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 10:50 pm, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:12 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. Anne If you buy a boxed set from mandrakestore, they see about half the proceeds. If you buy a boxed set from a computer store or office supply, they see about $4 for out of the price. If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme - interested from a business pov - 'covering costs' of the club? I imagine most of that is labour costs? Presumably there are optimum numbers of club members for those costs? If we get more members, would the 'share' received increase? Anne Sorry for butting in.. but a question + thought here. Wouldn't some of the costs increase with membership? Bandwidth, for one, as many hosting services do charge by the gigabyte. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic after defrag in WinjMe
Dear Ted, Yes it gives more information than gpart, and most of all, it recognizes my linux partitions, with all my dear data within. Now the problem is how to resize the partitions and how to boot again the system. Lilo works OK, the problem is that linux size partitions are all wrong and duplicated. Cheers, Antonio - Original Message - From: Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [expert] kernel panic after defrag in WinjMe On Tuesday 25 February 2003 06:49 am, tarvid wrote: gpart rescued one customer after a viral infection had messed up partitions. You can also try testdisk: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html For me, it was able to rescue partitions that gpart could not. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 24/02/03 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 10:34 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 01:36, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 10:50 pm, civileme wrote: If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme - interested from a business pov - 'covering costs' of the club? I imagine most of that is labour costs? Presumably there are optimum numbers of club members for those costs? If we get more members, would the 'share' received increase? Anne Sorry for butting in.. but a question + thought here. Wouldn't some of the costs increase with membership? Bandwidth, for one, as many hosting services do charge by the gigabyte. Could well be. And presumably there is an optimum number of members per administrator. More members than that and you are virtually starting again on the cost side. I said it was complicated g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 party
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:39:59PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 13:17, J. Grant wrote: I'm in UK. As for a UK distro... I once heard of something called Eridani Starsystems .. I think. Was more of a redistribution of Red Hat with some of the latest software. And I never used it. ah, checked their website, they are using RH6.2 as their base. I think i'll give it a miss, supporting the French is more fun :) JG Does this mean you'd need a Cockney(sp) locale? ...and scouse, brummie, scotish, welsh, kentish man, man of kent (depending on which side of the river medway you were born), geordie, ... this could get really silly :) -- Dave Whiting Dar es Salaam, Tanzania Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. The only logic that counts is the logic they use. Same goes for definition of beta and rc. Some people want it to be different than the Mandrake definition, but it is the Mandrake definition that counts. Of course, once you understand what that is, it is easier to *take*. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. Perhaps those users should use Debian than. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. I know many say perception is reality, but some must correct thier perceptions with reality. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XLKWGu5uuMFlL5MRAmOyAKCBIw2t2WlbqE+buabvnjQE/oNH6gCfSYae YPHQ6SOeB80ntVar9ioi37A= =IPm5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 12:27 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. The only logic that counts is the logic they use. Same goes for definition of beta and rc. Some people want it to be different than the Mandrake definition, but it is the Mandrake definition that counts. Of course, once you understand what that is, it is easier to *take*. I have no problem with it, myself, but from a marketing point of view it could be a problem. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. Perhaps those users should use Debian than. That may well be so. For the 'absolute stability' need (I'm thinking of business-critical situations) I suspect Mandrake is only viable if they have a really clued-up administrator. I'm just thinking aloud, really, about the issues of introducing linux into small businesses, where there may not be any such clued-up person on staff, and no funds to hire one. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. I know many say perception is reality, but some must correct thier perceptions with reality. As I said, I am thinking from the small business pov, which is where my experience is. A possible adopter would not know that Mandrake define things differently from the 'norm' (ok - don't take me up on 'norm' - you know what I mean). I'm not trying to make destructive comment - far from it. If we could get round issues like this and get efficient affordable third-party support for them, small business would benefit greatly from the increased stability linux gives. This is a fact - I spent a good part of my working week sorting out problems on our windows machines. The cost to the company, then, was not negligible. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] western digital 400jd, alternate jumpersettings and mandrake
Hello, I have a i586(p166mmx,192 mb ram),mandrake 9.0 and a 40 GB harddisk. My motherboard regnizes harddisk up to 8,4 GB. So i have to use the alternate jumpersettings. Does Mandrake 9.0 recognize this or have i buy a new ide-controller?? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] PC Chips 810
Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. Are there any serious issues about these mbs with MDK 9.0? I'm concerned about if my Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 2x is compatible with them. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. I personally stay away from PC Chips motherboards and SIS chipsets like the plague. I would go with the VIA board. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XMZ8Gu5uuMFlL5MRAo8WAKCM3Yjj+5y4RQJMCkyJvkvt7ADIgwCfU8DX 2FiEpYeXi/sB/XFKFTn25r4= =NJU6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:43 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. cheap is elusive i was impressed with SiS 7xx chipsets but i have replaced almost all of them within a year the via chipsets are doing a little better but i have replaced two kt133x boards in the last year - i think all of the drivers issues have been resolved i bought some dx34 mobos for under $70, found cheap 10k and 15k scsis on ebay along with 512MB ECC for $60 each, 1k P IIIs are around $100 here. i really like the results for normal workstation and server use - game playing is another matter. cheap cmedia 5.1 sound cards work as well as (if not better) than sb if you have a lot of pc133 memory and k7s arround, there are lots of kt133 mobos around for $50 and less - use kt266 if you have DDR against my suppliers advice i bought several ECSUSA (who makes boards for PCChips)., he was right - DFI and MSI have been flawless if not quite stellar in performance jim tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kernel message: _M_str_putnext: queue overflow: dropping a message
I suspect that this message comes from my NIC but I'm not sure. So far everything on my Mandrake v9.0 system works fine - I just see a lot of these messages when I run dmesg. I can't tell you the exact kernel version I'm running, but I could post it on the list tonight. The NIC is built into the MB and the driver is a sis900, I believe - but this may not be important if the message has nothing to do with networking. I just remembered that I'm also running win4lin v3.0(?) - not the latest version but the previous version. Message again: _M_str_putnext: queue overflow: dropping a message Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 14:43, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. Are there any serious issues about these mbs with MDK 9.0? I'm concerned about if my Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 2x is compatible with them. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers, There was a test in the latest german computer-magazin c't . The pc-chips was not tested. Asrock K7VM2: S3 is not functional Onboard video with Xfree 4.2 only in vesa modus, some problems with tested memory (optosys). UDMA only with kernel = 2.4.20 So nothing for Madrake 9.0 without extensiv updating from cooker. The 9.1 should work with it. If this board is good enough for you depends too on the processor you want use for it. They write you will loose power from the processor if you use an athlon above XP1900. If you want use a processor bigger then that you should pay more for the mainboard. nforce2-boards should be the fastest as I read it in that article. If you don't want the cheapest , but want not pay to much they recommend msi 6712 (kt3v-l) (kt333 chipset) (you need here again update your kernel I guess) Hope this helps a bit ... they tested boards from 60 EUR - 180 EUR (Asrock = 60 EUR, MSI = 105 EUR, nforce2 = 140/180 EUR) -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] usbstorage
Hello, I tried to plug a Archos Jukebox to my MDK 8.2 box today. everything worked fine, the usb-storage module was automagically loaded, but no device appeared in /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 this is what appeared in /var/log/messages: Feb 26 11:45:02 resy54 kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 2 Feb 26 11:45:03 resy54 kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x5ab/0x31) is not claimed by any active driver. Feb 26 11:45:05 resy54 /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usb-storage for USB product 5ab/31/110 Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: Vendor: HITACHI_ Model: DK23BA-20 Rev: 00E0 Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: missing kernel or user mode driver usb-storage I tried to create a device node myself via mknod disc b 11 1 in the directory mentioned above with varying minor numbers till 11 10, then I gave up. Major number 11 is from the scsi subsystem as found in /proc/devices. How can I find out the minor number or should I try something else ? ciao gecko Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday February 25 2003 05:10 pm, flacycads wrote: Given that, it's going to be hard to convince me that trying to optimize Linux and gcc for newer cpus is not worth the trouble. However, I'll keep an open mind on the subject, and I'm certainly not an expert. Robert Crawford OK, I'll give up on Texstar results, and the Mdk-Gentoo comparisons. As I said I've only read about those. In my experience tho, with my 1.4 Tbird (always oc'd to 1.5), compiling for athlon, even the kernel, is just somethin to do when I'm bored. I've never seen any measurable performance increase, or 'lookn feel' improvement. I'm always usin the most recent gcc, since I'm always runnin cooker. Optimizing with 'hdparm -t' to get 47mb/sec from my drives, running the ram at aggressive timings (cas2, 4 bank-interleaving), and using slighty over spec voltages for Vcore (cpu) and I/O (ram), does show measurable preformance increases in the range of 5 to 10%. Y'allsMMV -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] usbstorage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I tried to plug a Archos Jukebox to my MDK 8.2 box today. everything worked fine, the usb-storage module was automagically loaded, but no device appeared in /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 this is what appeared in /var/log/messages: Feb 26 11:45:02 resy54 kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1, assigned device number 2 Feb 26 11:45:03 resy54 kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x5ab/0x31) is not claimed by any active driver. Feb 26 11:45:05 resy54 /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usb-storage for USB product 5ab/31/110 Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: Vendor: HITACHI_ Model: DK23BA-20 Rev: 00E0 Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Feb 26 11:45:07 resy54 /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: missing kernel or user mode driver usb-storage I tried to create a device node myself via mknod disc b 11 1 in the directory mentioned above with varying minor numbers till 11 10, then I gave up. Major number 11 is from the scsi subsystem as found in /proc/devices. How can I find out the minor number or should I try something else ? ciao gecko When I first plugged in my USB memory pen, I had to run diskdrake in order for it to finally work out it had a scsi disk. Once it did that, an entry appeared in /etc/fstab for /mnt/removable and a (non working) icon appeared on the desktop. (The fstab entry appeared on a 9.0 box - my 8.2 laptop didn't do it, but a mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/point worked fine) Everthing works fine after that. HTH, Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XNTvBn4EFUVUIO0RAmolAKC3QhRMSXFf3y0nB/tQv7wEic/QpQCgqWOZ D1PCZ1oQwy3tzDyKq7ZKfmU= =Epov -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] western digital 400jd, alternate jumpersettings andmandrake
Linux pays little attention to the BIOS and its limitations, Linux with a 2.4.x kernel should have little problem recognising the full 40GB Disc. Just don't count on Windows cooperating if you still use it. On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 04:37, Arie de Waart wrote: Hello, I have a i586(p166mmx,192 mb ram),mandrake 9.0 and a 40 GB harddisk. My motherboard regnizes harddisk up to 8,4 GB. So i have to use the alternate jumpersettings. Does Mandrake 9.0 recognize this or have i buy a new ide-controller?? __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Aaron M. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.avlug.org/~mindstorm IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
Thank you all Steffen, Greg and Tarvid, that's helping me a lot! On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Steffen Barszus wrote: Asrock K7VM2: S3 is not functional Onboard video with Xfree 4.2 only in vesa modus, some problems with tested memory (optosys). UDMA only with kernel = 2.4.20 I intend to use my Voodoo 3 3000, perfect with Xfree 4.2. I find a site about m810 at: http://radel.inet.net.nz/m810lmr.html So I'm declining from m810. Asus and Via let me freak a time ago. I never used SIS but I've been listening good things about it. So I hope the newest Via's chipset had gotten stable, I'll bet on them again. UDMA wouldn't be a problem at first. Besides, I think I can update my kernel easily. I'll use a Duron 1.1 GHz and PC100 Ram memories. I wish I could buy a MSI. It seems that I'll buy ASRock though. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
I would have to recommend using a mainboard with an Intel chipset and at the very least an SiS chipset. Via, is largly problematic and prone to bus problems. Working for a PC repair shop i can personally attest to seeing many many more Via based mainboards going bad then either SiS or Intel, true there are a hell of a lot more Via mainboards out there, so it makes sense that there would be more coming back. But the issues with Via are more pronounced. But one thing is for sure, steer clear of PC Chips Mainboards, they are cheaper but they will make you pay for the savings in price. In short, how much of a glutten are you for punishment? :) Do your own research, you will come to the same conclusion. This is all largely my opinion developed over time, so take it as such, but i would think it is statistically accurate. :) On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:04, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: I intend to use my Voodoo 3 3000, perfect with Xfree 4.2. I find a site about m810 at: http://radel.inet.net.nz/m810lmr.html So I'm declining from m810. Asus and Via let me freak a time ago. I never used SIS but I've been listening good things about it. So I hope the newest Via's chipset had gotten stable, I'll bet on them again. UDMA wouldn't be a problem at first. Besides, I think I can update my kernel easily. I'll use a Duron 1.1 GHz and PC100 Ram memories. I wish I could buy a MSI. It seems that I'll buy ASRock though. Cheers, -- Aaron M. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.avlug.org/~mindstorm IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:14 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: But the issues with Via are more pronounced. What sort of problems are you seeing, Aaron? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:14, Aaron Matteson wrote: I would have to recommend using a mainboard with an Intel chipset and at Sorry, no intel for you ...Duron the very least an SiS chipset. Via, is largly problematic and prone to bus problems. Working for a PC repair shop i can personally attest to seeing many many more Via based mainboards going bad then either SiS or Intel, true there are a hell of a lot more Via mainboards out there, so it makes sense that there would be more coming back. But the issues with Via are more pronounced. But one thing is for sure, steer clear of PC Chips Mainboards, they are cheaper but they will make you pay for the savings in price. In short, how much of a glutten are you for punishment? :) Do your own research, you will come to the same conclusion. This is all largely my opinion developed over time, so take it as such, but i would think it is statistically accurate. :) On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:04, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: I intend to use my Voodoo 3 3000, perfect with Xfree 4.2. I find a site about m810 at: http://radel.inet.net.nz/m810lmr.html So I'm declining from m810. Asus and Via let me freak a time ago. I never used SIS but I've been listening good things about it. So I hope the newest Via's chipset had gotten stable, I'll bet on them again. UDMA wouldn't be a problem at first. Besides, I think I can update my kernel easily. I'll use a Duron 1.1 GHz and PC100 Ram memories. I wish I could buy a MSI. It seems that I'll buy ASRock though. Cheers, -- Aaron M. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.avlug.org/~mindstorm IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Which goes right back to my original statement (that no one wants to understand): Mandrake needs to control the amount of change in the point releases. I've said it as many ways as I can. Ric flacycads wrote: Miark, According to Distrowatch, 9.0 uses glibc 2.2.5, and 9.1rc1 uses glibc 2.3.1. Is that incorrect? They also report gcc is upgraded to 3.2.2. Robert C. On Tuesday 25 February 2003 06:28 pm, Miark wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:04:51 -0500 So this is a major release, but it's numbered 9.1 because: * 9.1 uses the same glibc as 9.0. * The 9.1 binaries will be compatible with 9.0 systems, and * It still uses kernel 2.4.x Hope that helps. It made a big difference to me. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Konqueror broke in 9.1
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 19:33, David McGlone wrote: I recently updated my website and I have noticed that Konqueror is broken when it comes to frames. is it me or is konq broken? my domains, transfer domains, namespin, and account login pages are all messed up in Konqueror, but they display nicely in Mozilla, Netscape, and IE. the pages looked fine in MDK 9.0! Hello, I have no problem with Konqeror under KDE 3.1, it displays frames fine as I can see, my home page and web mail both use frames and look fine. -- ...Rob -- We live in a world where lemonade is artificial and soap has real lemon. = Robert Goshko Axis Computer Consulting Services, Inc President Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada http://www.axis-dev.ca/ Supporting the Revolution In Your World = Registered Linux User #260513GNU/Linux i686 2.4.21pre4-1mdk-725ca 08:20:01 up 1:13, 5 users, load average: 1.35, 1.28, 1.19 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:19, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:14 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: But the issues with Via are more pronounced. What sort of problems are you seeing, Aaron? Mainly stability issues, ranging from the IDE controller to the actual chipset. The most prevalent of the symptoms is data corruption. The good thing about Via is that they do perform a little better, but is it worth sacraficing stability for slightly faster? There are a lot of Via customers that have never had any problems, same old story with every other manufacture. I guess what i am trying to get at is buying Via is a little like russian roulette. Anne -- Aaron M. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.avlug.org/~mindstorm IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
flacycads wrote: Yeah- I basically just use kde, and I know it takes a lot of resources. I figure with an Athlon 1700+ XP T-bred B on an Abit KX7-333 DDR mobo, I can afford a little kde eye-candy- and I like all the nice features. Never have been a Gnome fan. It's not that I'm that unhappy with linux performance, but on the rare ocassion I do boot into windows XP Pro, I do notice a real difference in computer response, then I start thinking there must be something I can do about it. This is one of the biggest mis-interpetations about M$ (mis)Operating Systems. What looks to be running faster is just a false impression. M$ pre-loads many of the libs, and the core of some programs at boot/login time. So when you double click on IE (for example), yes, it hits the screen much faster than Mozilla on Linux. But it's already half loaded. This is at the expense of the ram needed to run applications. But then M$ works under the philosophy that Ram disks are cheap. Just add more. Linux works under a very different paradigm. Sadly though, I have to totally agree with the lack of decent support for video cards. But lets face it. Linux doesn't have the wall full of games available at the local CompUSA. So there's nothing to force the developers to push on it. Until that happens, it's only going to get worse. There's just no commercial push behind it. Without that, developers will develop what they want to. Nothing more. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:35 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:19, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:14 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: But the issues with Via are more pronounced. What sort of problems are you seeing, Aaron? Mainly stability issues, ranging from the IDE controller to the actual chipset. The most prevalent of the symptoms is data corruption. The good thing about Via is that they do perform a little better, but is it worth sacraficing stability for slightly faster? There are a lot of Via customers that have never had any problems, same old story with every other manufacture. I guess what i am trying to get at is buying Via is a little like russian roulette. Interesting. Several of my family have Soltek mobos, which use via chipsets. Generally they are pretty well-behaved, but one, right from the start has had some problems. After ruling out everything I possibly can, I began to suspect the ide1 controller. This seems to fit with your experience, would you say? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is absolutely viable office conf running well and fast. And such boxes are very much in use around here. Now try running Linux with OpenOffice on such a box. There is absolutely no way to achieve comparable perfomance, whatever distro, kernel, window manager you run. In fact, comparing GUI loading times does not matter for me - its usually once-a-day event. But if loading times of OOo and MSO differ in minutes not seconds it is a showstopper. And no good explanation helps. Also suggestions to use something else instead of OOo monster are completely useless. And let's not loose track of the fact that speed isn't everything! How about stability, and reliabiltiy. How about security, and ease of maintenance. Yup, a race car is faster than the family mini-van. But I wouldn't drive the family to church in one. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enterprise OS, was Mandrake Out of Control?
Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 16:55, Ric Tibbetts wrote: ... Actually, I have XP running at home on a PII-333 My kids use it as their game machine. But my oldest is only 7. Their demands are low. :) Ric yeah, I was kind of annoyed when I had to replace Win98 with Win2K on the kids' game machine to get it to actually run Reader Rabbit without puking all over itself... Duron 750. chuckle Yeah, I hear ya! I tried Win2k on their box, but lost to many games (don't remember which right now. It was a while ago). So we loaded XP (ugh!). There were fewer game losses. But if I had time, I'd put 98 back on. It ran better, and ALL their games worked. But I just haven't had time... sigh... But.. This is drifting a long way from a LM discussion. :) Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 12:53 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Mandrake releases X.0, X.1, X.2. Then it jumps to Y.0, Y.1, Y.2. It has nothing to do with point releases or version releases. Technically, they are ALL version releases. Which was exactly my point. Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. Anne Thank you Anne! Thank you! That was my point exactly! Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Shorewall+Samba
I have seen in the archives where it talks about Samba and Shorewall having problems. I have followed the instructions from Shorewall bout how to set the firewall. Still does not work. Has anyone gotten this to work and if so, can you explain what you did to fix it? Thanks. I am unable to access Samba shares from my Windows PC because Shorewall isn't playing nice. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. The only logic that counts is the logic they use. Same goes for definition of beta and rc. Some people want it to be different than the Mandrake definition, but it is the Mandrake definition that counts. Of course, once you understand what that is, it is easier to *take*. Perhaps, like so many others you missed the intent of the statements to start with. The problem is, Mandrake is losing out on the desktop, and server wars for a reason. The problem of every release is a .0 release, keeps the OS unstable, and shied away from because of it. The suggestions of changing the model were offered in an aire of trying to help. Not just a RANT. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. Perhaps those users should use Debian than. Yup, that will really help Mandrakesoft out, now won't it? C'mon. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. I know many say perception is reality, but some must correct thier perceptions with reality. And sometimes, people outside the company with experience in these matters can actually offer suggestions that just could help a company that is faltering. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Shorewall+Samba
How about a reference to those instructions? Richard Humphrey wrote: I have seen in the archives where it talks about Samba and Shorewall having problems. I have followed the instructions from Shorewall bout how to set the firewall. Still does not work. Has anyone gotten this to work and if so, can you explain what you did to fix it? Thanks. I am unable to access Samba shares from my Windows PC because Shorewall isn't playing nice. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Need help manually editing postscript file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have created graphics in Staroffice 6.0 that I need to use in a dissertation. The problem with Staroffice/openoffice is that it always produces postscript files (when printing to file) that are needlessly too big - - that is, the postscript images ALWAYS include blank whitespace above, below, next to, the actual graphic. In my particular case, I need to use the graphic in Lyx but because SO/OO doesn't produce a proper bounding box, I end up with too much whitespace included in the image that must be removed. Running ps2ps doesn't fix it. I need to manually edit the postscript file to cut off the whitespace at the bottom of my graphics but I do not understand the postscript coordinate system. Where is 0 0? Top left corner? Top right? Bottom left? The actual coordinates for the bounding box of postscript graphic I am presently struggling with are 0 0 612 792. I don't know what this means. I need to know what coords refer to the bottom left and right corners of the bounding box so I can reduce the numbers to what they should be to eliminate the useless whitespace. Using gimp is not an option. Gimp converts beautiful postscript images/text into horrific bitmaps. Can anyone help me out here? Thank you, praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XOjywDUPEkSvRHERAt7nAKCnaz+hlze+2t8bXUeRnhis1oNRXgCePYtR k/R/CFMFkOE06I4+PWfwPdY= =/lNG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:36 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 10:50 pm, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:12 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. Anne If you buy a boxed set from mandrakestore, they see about half the proceeds. If you buy a boxed set from a computer store or office supply, they see about $4 for out of the price. If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme - interested from a business pov - 'covering costs' of the club? I imagine most of that is labour costs? Presumably there are optimum numbers of club members for those costs? If we get more members, would the 'share' received increase? Anne Of course. It is a far superior purchase for both sides unless someone really needs support, in which case a packaged product or one of the products sold wiht extensive support (like MNF) is the customer's choice. But for many users, Mandrake Club is the win/win situation. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Shorewall+Samba
These are the instructions I followed: http://www.shorewall.net/samba.htm I added these rules to my firewall and still no dice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim C Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Shorewall+Samba How about a reference to those instructions? Richard Humphrey wrote: I have seen in the archives where it talks about Samba and Shorewall having problems. I have followed the instructions from Shorewall bout how to set the firewall. Still does not work. Has anyone gotten this to work and if so, can you explain what you did to fix it? Thanks. I am unable to access Samba shares from my Windows PC because Shorewall isn't playing nice. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 12:53 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Mandrake releases X.0, X.1, X.2. Then it jumps to Y.0, Y.1, Y.2. It has nothing to do with point releases or version releases. Technically, they are ALL version releases. Which was exactly my point. Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. Anne Well, version 5 to 6 changed the kernel version, 6 to 7 changed the installer to a GUI, and backported things from the 2.3 kernel like UDMA, 7 to 8 changed the compiler, the glibc and the kernel, and 8 to 9 changed binary compatibility of rpms, the bare essentials of GTK+ to GTK2, and KDE to version 3. 9.0 and 9.1 rpms can work together, but the compiler is finally a departure from 2.96 which has been the workhorse since 8.0 (none of the gcc3.xy releases tested as reliably til now). Every release has new features. If you want stable as in server use there is Corporate Server, and MNF. If you want stable (mostly bug-free) desktop, there is Debian(and if Mandrake did as suggested, withholding new features til a major number change, it would be as out of date as Debian and in an entirely different market, well maybe not quite---it is easier to build rpms than dpkgs--the price for smooth updates is VERY high). The point is that you CANNOT have a lot of new features only on the break of the major number and remain competitive. The release every six months is only one product, which most seem to use for everything and _expect_ to be everything. And some of the reasoning I have seen employed in this thread is, stick with the big ones, they'll be around, even if they don't have all the bells and whistles, and they have Certification programs, too I seem to have heard that described before on some website... http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html Yes, there it is... Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 16:35, Aaron Matteson wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:19, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:14 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: But the issues with Via are more pronounced. What sort of problems are you seeing, Aaron? Mainly stability issues, ranging from the IDE controller to the actual chipset. The most prevalent of the symptoms is data corruption. The good thing about Via is that they do perform a little better, but is it worth sacraficing stability for slightly faster? There are a lot of Via customers that have never had any problems, same old story with every other manufacture. I guess what i am trying to get at is buying Via is a little like russian roulette. I guess you are right, but it depends a lot on the manufacturer with via chipsets and on the particular chipset. I for myself have a msi 6330 aka kt7pro2a with a kt133a /apollo super chipset. I'm very happy with it and never ever had any problems. A friend of mine has a epox 8kta3+ and he had in the meantime so many stability issues ... the chipset is too a kt133a . I would stay away from kle133 and all the cheapy chipsets from via. For sis I have seen the k7s5a Rev. 3.0 from Elitegroup (?) and stability, installation and the overall-behavior was really crappy. The rev 1.0 and 3.1 was told me to be fine. The asrock **T** was tested as slow but stable. So for 60 EUR I wouldnt say this thing is bad. If I would have a wish I would wish me a intel bx 440 mainboard for duron ;) -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:02 am, Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is absolutely viable office conf running well and fast. And such boxes are very much in use around here. Now try running Linux with OpenOffice on such a box. There is absolutely no way to achieve comparable perfomance, whatever distro, kernel, window manager you run. In fact, comparing GUI loading times does not matter for me - its usually once-a-day event. But if loading times of OOo and MSO differ in minutes not seconds it is a showstopper. And no good explanation helps. Also suggestions to use something else instead of OOo monster are completely useless. Wahur As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest achievable equivalent. And if you want performance on a Pentium of that vintage, try running Mandrake 7.1 and having StarOffice 5.1 loaded on desktop 2 (Use the Autostart folder to put it there). Then you will have comparable performance except you can be doing more tasks on Mandrake. I amazed people at a local Computer Renaissance when loading a copy of Mandrake for a business customer. One of the CDs would not read on the target machine (media vs drive error on a brand-new drive) so I used a Mandrake Demonstrator there to burn a copy of the CD which would read. While burning, I was printing the user manual I had prepared and also showing someone how to connect to the internet using the machine and MCC And then I burned a copy of another CD (showing how backing up could be done). The store techs were floored. They had a hyped-up dual P4 running win2K server and when they were burning they could not do anything else, and they HAD to reset after burning or the next CD they burned would have only a directory and no retrievable data. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] western digital 400jd, alternate jumpersettings and mandrake
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:37 am, Arie de Waart wrote: Hello, I have a i586(p166mmx,192 mb ram),mandrake 9.0 and a 40 GB harddisk. My motherboard regnizes harddisk up to 8,4 GB. So i have to use the alternate jumpersettings. Does Mandrake 9.0 recognize this or have i buy a new ide-controller?? The motherboard BIOS is limited in what it can recognize You need to put all bootable op systems with at least one partition in that 8.4G limit, and if you have a linux /boot partition in there, make it a primary lest Windows lose track of all its extended partitions (put all winpartitions of the extended kind numerically before linux extended partitions or windows will become _very_ confused) But actually Dual-booting on this machine is a VERY bad idea. You use some sort of BIOS extension software(loaded from the disk before regular boot) for windows, and you don't for linux. I have seen this cause problems time and again. And if you eventually upgrade to a newer board, I recommend COPYING the data to a non-WD disk, cause above udma2 WD is ... bad juju. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:43 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. Are there any serious issues about these mbs with MDK 9.0? I'm concerned about if my Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 2x is compatible with them. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Well both those boards have on-board video and it would be a good idea to check that the slot is there for your Voodoo. MOREOVER, make sure the AGP slot is for 2X AGP, not for the 4X/8X which has _different_ voltages and keying and will not fit the older cards, and would fry them or the Mobo if it did fit. The 810 I have seen has no AGP slot at all. The KM266 is also a problem cause it has the WRONG AGP slot. Neither board has accelerated 3d viable in linux at this time. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] western digital 400jd, alternate jumpersettings andmandrake
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:05:23 -0900 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But actually Dual-booting on this machine is a VERY bad idea. You use some sort of BIOS extension software(loaded from the disk before regular boot) for windows, and you don't for linux. I have seen this cause problems time and again. If you are restricted to using this machine as is and are determined to dual-boot. Install ez-bios from your WD install disk,--this will allow win to see and use the entire drive. When you install Mandrake DO NOT install lilo to the MBR. Install it to either / or /boot, (if you it created as a separate partition) and Make a Linux boot disk. Anytime you wish to access linux you will need to boot using the boot disk. Charles -- Fortune's real live weird band names #86: Bloody Stools - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-10mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] SMART info from modern disks
This would be a sweet addition to Mandrake's base install: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/ to compile on Mandrake, download the src.rpm and rpm -ivh it. Then edit the /usr/src/RPM/SPEC/smartsuite-2.1.spec file, go to the bottom and replace: /usr/man/man8/smartctl.8.gz /usr/man/man8/smartd.8.gz with /usr/man/man8/smartctl.8.bz2 /usr/man/man8/smartd.8.bz2 Now rpm -bb /usr/src/RPM/SPEC/smartsuite-2.1.spec and rpm -ivh the generated RPM. Next edit /etc/init.d/smartd and insert something like: # chkconfig: 2345 05 97 in the comments at the top run chkconfig smartd on, then service smartd start. This will dump any SMART errors into the syslog as they happen. You can also get extended info on the fly and run some intensive tests with smartctl, but that data looks tough to interpret. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
Hi List! On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Steffen Barszus wrote: If I would have a wish I would wish me a intel bx 440 mainboard for duron ;) Bingo! I'm looking for a replacement for my old PII since now my motherboard 440lx was damaged. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
Hi Civileme! On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, civileme wrote: The 810 I have seen has no AGP slot at all. The KM266 is also a problem cause it has the WRONG AGP slot. Neither board has accelerated 3d viable in linux at this time. I could check that ASRock supports AGP 1x,2x and 4x. Please, since I plan to use my Voodoo 3 3000, what do you mean with _WRONG AGP slot_? Oh boy, as Aaron pointed out, it's really like a Russian roulette. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 4:40 pm, civileme wrote: If you want stable as in server use there is Corporate Server, and MNF. Fair comment. In the meantime, there is the problem of getting the exposure in the press that others get. Over and over I see in Linux Format that Mandrake is brilliant for desktop use, but when they want to explain something they use Suse. Why? More to the point, what can *we* the users do to help the situation? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ssh problems on mandrake 9.0
Hello, Does someone know of a working scp/sftp frontend on mandrake 9.0 ? I found the konqueror support is working for get but broken for put (that is reported under kde.bugs.org). Also, gftp wich supports ssh2 does not work, since it relies on the sftp-server binary on the remote machine which does not exist in all ssh server distributions. I tried to install kio_fish, but if using urpmi, it wants to install the kde 3.1 contrib packages (experience tells me that kde upgrades allways break something that was working before :-) ). Manually compiling kio_fish requires lib-qt-devel whoses dependencies are calculated in such a way the uprmi/drakconf wants to install postgresSql an other (apparently) unrelated packages !! If someone knows a solution for this, I'd be grateful. Best regards Gustavo Homem All my life I wanted to be someone; I guess I should have been more specific.-- Jane Wagner Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] High System Load on disk activity
Hi there, i recently subscribed to the list, and have been enjoying browsing the threads, however i didn't think i would be posting as soon... I wonder if anyone can offer any advice... I have two two machines, built from scratch comprising of Asus P4S8X motherboard, P4 2.4GHz, with two IBM drives each, one Deskstar 120GXP 82.3GB UDMA100 for the system drive and one Deskstar180GXP 185.2GB UDMA100 as a data partition. They have a clean install of Mandrake 9.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# uname -an Linux morpheus.cissme.com 2.4.19-16mdkcustom #4 SMP The drives themselves seem in good shape: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 10011/255/63, sectors = 160836480, start = 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 22526/255/63, sectors = 361882080, start = 0 and seem to get good throughput: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.28 seconds =457.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.40 seconds = 45.71 MB/sec [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm -tT /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.28 seconds =457.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.18 seconds = 54.24 MB/sec Running Bonnie++ also confirms these results and in addition tells me that i get about 23MB a second on Rewrite speeds. All seems pretty good, until i start trying to move any large amounts of data around on the drives while also having mysql and apache running. One of the systems is still not being used, so i can use it as a test box: When i copy 1.7GB of data from hda - hdc, it doesn't seem like much load: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# time cp *.gz /space/scratch.backup/ 0.13user 17.59system 1:44.22elapsed 17%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (130major+23minor)pagefaults 0swaps Output of non-idle mode ps: 4:02pm up 8 days, 22:35, 6 users, load average: 0.97, 0.35, 0.12 86 processes: 83 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 0.5% user, 25.2% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 1551472K av, 1521556K used, 29916K free, 0K shrd, 68920K buff Swap: 2097136K av, 154508K used, 1942628K free 1299612K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 380 root 18 0 512 512 440 R15.3 0.0 0:17 cp 421 thorsten 12 0 1044 1044 820 R 0.5 0.0 0:00 top 383 thorsten 9 0 1816 1816 1628 R 0.0 0.1 0:00 sshd And here is a sample of vmstat 1 while the copy is running: procs memoryswap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si sobibo incs us sy id 1 1 1 154508 31488 69112 1297788 0 0 16000 36752 989 719 0 29 71 0 1 0 154508 31748 69064 1297580 0 0 16128 40648 1023 851 0 25 75 1 0 0 154508 31080 69060 1298236 0 0 16128 36692 928 695 1 26 73 1 0 0 154508 31044 69068 1298280 0 0 16768 36632 998 765 0 28 72 1 0 0 154508 31004 69036 1298588 0 0 21888 32592 973 922 0 31 69 0 1 1 154508 31084 68928 1298468 0 0 17664 40800 1004 774 2 29 69 1 0 0 154508 31348 68856 1298296 0 0 17792 32596 947 766 0 25 75 1 0 0 154508 31012 68892 1298652 0 0 20480 32592 958 884 1 26 73 0 1 1 154508 30488 68960 1299100 0 0 18048 36692 939 799 0 30 70 1 0 1 154508 29728 68968 1299748 0 0 16128 40932 1034 722 1 20 79 0 1 0 154508 30192 68940 1299324 0 0 16000 36492 971 834 1 24 75 0 1 0 154508 30060 68928 1299464 0 0 16128 38696 933 735 0 23 77 0 1 0 154508 29908 68920 1299612 0 0 16128 34544 943 656 0 28 72 Howver on the box also running mysql and httpd at the same time: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# time cp *.gz /space/scratch.backup/ 0.31user 15.43system 3:27.27elapsed 7%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (130major+23minor)pagefaults 0swaps non-idle ps output: 4:26pm up 27 days, 3:03, 6 users, load average: 7.97, 4.42, 2.42 419 processes: 418 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 18.0% user, 58.9% system, 0.0% nice, 23.0% idle Mem: 1551472K av, 1520456K used, 31016K free, 0K shrd, 17532K buff Swap: 2097136K av, 39756K used, 2057380K free 1129820K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 5120 thorsten 14 0 1332 1332 820 R25.3 0.0 3:23 top 5548 root 10 0 512 512 440 D10.9 0.0 0:09 cp 24561 www9 0
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 09:37, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 4:40 pm, civileme wrote: If you want stable as in server use there is Corporate Server, and MNF. Fair comment. In the meantime, there is the problem of getting the exposure in the press that others get. Over and over I see in Linux Format that Mandrake is brilliant for desktop use, but when they want to explain something they use Suse. Why? More to the point, what can *we* the users do to help the situation? Anne I suppose purchase and use Corporate Server. I use Mandrake on my own servers, but that's okay because they generally double as desktops :-) The extra horsepower that others use for eye-candy, I use for nearly 1300 emails and 600 dynamically generated pageviews a day. However, I have to agree that the regular Mandrake product is not a suitable server for corporate environments, as most admins don't know how to use its tools (especially msec) and those tools will bite badly. I'm highly embarassed by the fact that I built a MDK9.0 Nagios box as a backup to a RH 7.3 Nagios box, and the MDK one has been disk wiped and replaced with RH. Why? Because two weeks after I left msec saw fit to disable all logins because of password aging, and in trying to fix this from the console the admin either uncovered or introduced a PAM problem that caused the passwd program to segfault. I had documented and backed up the Nagios work, so it was only two hours work to replace Mandrake with RH, but the lasting impression at that company is that Mandrake is a cute desktop which is unfit for server work. msec had been set to level 4 during install, then reset to level 3 because level 4 is too restrictive to allow Nagios to work (the nagios user process is prevented from looking in /proc). The reset wasn't complete, so the level 4 password aging policy was still in effect. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:38 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi Civileme! On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, civileme wrote: The 810 I have seen has no AGP slot at all. The KM266 is also a problem cause it has the WRONG AGP slot. Neither board has accelerated 3d viable in linux at this time. I could check that ASRock supports AGP 1x,2x and 4x. Please, since I plan to use my Voodoo 3 3000, what do you mean with _WRONG AGP slot_? Oh boy, as Aaron pointed out, it's really like a Russian roulette. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil There are two protocols for AGP, the 1,2,4X with one set of keyings and voltages, and the newer 8x/4X which has a different jkeying in the slot to keep older cards from being plugged in (and good thing too, cause the voltages are different) I double-checked from ASRock's web site. It appears the K7VM2 is OK but the K7S8X will have the wrong slot for your Voodoo The K7VM2 has the on-board ProSavage which in my experience is highly temperamental, on some linux distros giving screen noise during disk access, and almost impossible to disable. I got it running on 9.0 but it took a fair amount of tweaking and is not an experience I would like to repeat (consider this from someone who has the rep of being able to install linux on a toaster). If it is within your price range (and I see similar prices here in the US), may I suggest the ASUS A7N266-VM? It requires DDR memory, is micro-ATX in form factor, and its on-board video and audio and LAN all work under 8.2 and 9.0. If you taint the kernel with the proprietary NVidia Drivers, you will also have 3D accel suitable to all purposes and superior to the performance of your Voodoo 3 3000, then you can find another board for the Voodoo, cause the slot on the NForce board from ASUS is 8X/4X and will not fit Voodoos. I did have one and I had to sell it to pay rent. It was a sweet performer. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This would be a sweet addition to Mandrake's base install: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/ to compile on Mandrake, download the src.rpm and rpm -ivh it. Then edit the /usr/src/RPM/SPEC/smartsuite-2.1.spec file, go to the bottom and replace: /usr/man/man8/smartctl.8.gz /usr/man/man8/smartd.8.gz with /usr/man/man8/smartctl.8.bz2 /usr/man/man8/smartd.8.bz2 Now rpm -bb /usr/src/RPM/SPEC/smartsuite-2.1.spec and rpm -ivh the generated RPM. Next edit /etc/init.d/smartd and insert something like: # chkconfig: 2345 05 97 in the comments at the top run chkconfig smartd on, then service smartd start. This will dump any SMART errors into the syslog as they happen. You can also get extended info on the fly and run some intensive tests with smartctl, but that data looks tough to interpret. Ben Reser maintains a related rpm called 'hddtemp' which pulls harddrive temps out of the smart data. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XQQuBn4EFUVUIO0RAv8tAKDG6UASmw/AH7AmWZSBVtqGAnM3TwCgiXHv ZroG421OyDV0rblX5bbz/KU= =lePp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:15:10 + Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Reser maintains a related rpm called 'hddtemp' which pulls harddrive temps out of the smart data. Also there is already an ide-smart rpm in Contribs Charles -- What will you do if all your problems aren't solved by the time you die? - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-10mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 11:06 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Perhaps, like so many others you missed the intent of the statements to start with. The problem is, Mandrake is losing out on the desktop, and server wars for a reason. The problem of every release is a .0 release, keeps the OS unstable, and shied away from because of it. The suggestions of changing the model were offered in an aire of trying to help. Not just a RANT. I did understand your point, I was not really resonding to you specifically, but to you generally. Although I get your point, I disagree with it somewhat because one of the reasons I use Mandrake is because it is always full of the most current releases of stuff. I don't want 9.1 to have KDE 3.0.5a because it is stable. If I wanted that kind of stability I would use Debian. Of course the other advantages to Mandrake, ease of install and adminstration certainly rank as well. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. Perhaps those users should use Debian than. Yup, that will really help Mandrakesoft out, now won't it? C'mon. I was being somewhat sarcastic here, but none the less, distros have different features for a reason. Debian prides itself on stability, and if somebody needs that, they should be using a distro that is known for stability. I for one would be very disappointed if Mandrake chose to put KDE3.0.5a or Mozilla 1.0.xinto 9.1 for stability reasons. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. I know many say perception is reality, but some must correct thier perceptions with reality. And sometimes, people outside the company with experience in these matters can actually offer suggestions that just could help a company that is faltering. I agree with you wholeheartedly, however the point I was trying to make was that as we all sit around here and discuss these things, very often we have that discussion based on what we think a particular term, like beta, rc or stability mean, without acknowledging the way MandrakeSoft means them. I do not believe that we should not communicate with the company to try to get them to change their definition, or modify thier way of thinking. Perhaps changing the way releases are numbered, so that common perception aligns with reality is the way to go, but as an alternative to your proposal, instead of changing the MandrakeSoft release philosophy, change the numbering so there are no longer any point releases. 10 and 11 vs 9.1 and 9.2. Although this would align reality more with what peoples understandings of releases are, I acknowledge that it does not address your criticism about bug fixing. Personally, if we're going to go the Club route, I'd rather see an annual release with updates to the latest release available for new packages that come out throughout the year. Put one team on maintaining the current stable and another on developing the next annual release. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XQmJGu5uuMFlL5MRAgdbAJwKMWPAUugtd2H4Q0KNdeyOwrykOQCfXj3S IUa1EcQsXrjdIzLQUhVjBWA= =HFOQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
Thank you Civileme. On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, civileme wrote: If it is within your price range (and I see similar prices here in the US), may I suggest the ASUS A7N266-VM? It requires DDR memory, is micro-ATX in form factor, and its on-board video and audio and LAN all work under 8.2 and 9.0. If you taint the kernel with the proprietary NVidia Drivers, you will also have 3D accel suitable to all purposes and superior to the performance of your Voodoo 3 3000, then you can find another board for the Voodoo, cause the slot on the NForce board from ASUS is 8X/4X and will not fit Voodoos. Yes, a friend of mine bought it and it's great, however, I ought to buy DDR memory. Maybe, if I can sell my old stuff, so I can face this budget. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
On 26. feb 2003 09:23, Jack Coates wrote: This would be a sweet addition to Mandrake's base install: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/ hey, wake up! are you check date of latest version? this is unmaintained project, and there is another s.m.a.r.t. capable package into mandrake, which called smartmontools (which is my favorite), or ide-smart .. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my experience. It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the eye-candy, get faster response. Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the point of it works on the primary developer's machine is not very fun. dos centavos, Jack On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows ... And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers are a problem (strange, Windows doesn't write video drivers), and of course the overhead in maintaining decent security is there by design in linux. My own results, on my own equipment, do not support your results, but then I have machines with a LOT of memory which linux uses and Windows does not. Civileme I bet your network is correctly setup and tweaked, and his /etc/host file is empty too Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Samba LDAP PDC an answer, not a question
So I've been racking my brains over why my Samba-LDAP PDC wont add a machine account automatically like it is supposed to. If I add the machine by hand there is no problem with joining the domain. So what's up? I try to log on and I don't get any error codes that pertain to adding a user showing up in the logs. In addition Samba does not want to execute the 'add user script' at all even if I use a custom script. Until today I had thought the problem might have to do with my Perl libraries. BU! Wrong answer! Turns out that if you have the ldap port set incorrectly in /etc/smb.conf you can only join the domain if the user has already been added. Reason being that Samba refuses to execute the 'add user script'. I found this very weird as I would have expected that no joining the domain at all would have been possible under these conditions. Jim C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
I am using a PC Chips 810L and have no problems running it with Mandrake 9.0 or any of the 9.1 betas or RC1. I should say, that I don't use the modem riser and I am using the on-board video (mine does have an AGP slot - but I don't have an AGP video card) . I purchased mine last Fall from www.econopc.com with a Duron 1.3ghz for $65 (US). You should be aware, though, that besides the AGP slot, there are only two PCI slots. But, with video, sound and ethernet on-board, I actually have two more slots than my old computer! I have been very pleased with this board and would not have a problem recommending it. You do want to check the bios date, though and make sure it's fairly current. And, as with all AMD Duron/XP processors, you want to make sure you have a good power supply. Most of the problems attributed to low-end system boards seem really to be caused by low-end or low-powered power supplies. Just because something says 350 or 400 watts doesn't mean it has the right amperage. I don't have the manual handy, but it does have what the minimum power supply ratings should be (you can also view the manual online from PC Chips website). You mention having a Voodo 3 3000 AGP card, my old video card was a Voodoo 3, but it was PCI (which is why I wanted on-board video, because I didn't have the money for a new MB and video card). The onboard video runs circles around it, but of course the total machine is twice as fast as the old one, too, so YMMV. Joeb ---Original Message--- From: Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/26/03 07:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] PC Chips 810 Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. Are there any serious issues about these mbs with MDK 9.0? I'm concerned about if my Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 2x is compatible with them. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Konqueror broke in 9.1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:30 am, Robert Goshko wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 19:33, David McGlone wrote: I recently updated my website and I have noticed that Konqueror is broken when it comes to frames. is it me or is konq broken? my domains, transfer domains, namespin, and account login pages are all messed up in Konqueror, but they display nicely in Mozilla, Netscape, and IE. the pages looked fine in MDK 9.0! Hello, I have no problem with Konqeror under KDE 3.1, it displays frames fine as I can see, my home page and web mail both use frames and look fine. : - ) I figured out my problem. it was BAD buggy code. I fixed the problem and everything looks great now. - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XRPuAulWMV3BRjARAoUgAJ9sVMM04bPvcN8j5Myp7iYMNtaCmQCdHjXl MheQoKz5HjmXuyWFYOuQkYk= =WdFN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:57:09 -0500 flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miark, According to Distrowatch, 9.0 uses glibc 2.2.5, and 9.1rc1 uses glibc 2.3.1. Is that incorrect? They also report gcc is upgraded to 3.2.2. I dunno. This is what Civileme told me. Civileme?! Miark Robert C. On Tuesday 25 February 2003 06:28 pm, Miark wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:04:51 -0500 So this is a major release, but it's numbered 9.1 because: * 9.1 uses the same glibc as 9.0. * The 9.1 binaries will be compatible with 9.0 systems, and * It still uses kernel 2.4.x Hope that helps. It made a big difference to me. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Shorewall+Samba
I'm using these. Seems to work but I am not sure that this is optimal. ACCEPT fw masqtcp 631,137,139,445 - ACCEPT fw masqudp 631,137,138,139 - ACCEPT masqfw tcp 631,137,139,445 - ACCEPT masqfw udp 631,137,138,139 - ACCEPT loc masqtcp 631,137,139,445 - ACCEPT loc masqudp 631,137,138,139 - ACCEPT masqloc tcp 631,137,139,445 - ACCEPT masqloc udp 631,137,138,139 - REJECT net masqtcp 631,137,139,445 - REJECT net masqudp 631,137,138,139 - REJECT net fw tcp 137,139,445 - REJECT net fw udp 137,138,139 - REJECT net loc tcp 631,137,139,445 - REJECT net loc udp 631,137,138,139 - Richard Humphrey wrote: These are the instructions I followed: http://www.shorewall.net/samba.htm I added these rules to my firewall and still no dice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim C Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Shorewall+Samba How about a reference to those instructions? Richard Humphrey wrote: I have seen in the archives where it talks about Samba and Shorewall having problems. I have followed the instructions from Shorewall bout how to set the firewall. Still does not work. Has anyone gotten this to work and if so, can you explain what you did to fix it? Thanks. I am unable to access Samba shares from my Windows PC because Shorewall isn't playing nice. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Contribs
Mandrake-Authoritative answers requested: Question One. My local mirror here shows that there has been no update to 9.0-contribs since October last year. Is this correct? What has gone wrong? Question Two. When 9.1 is released, will the present Cooker-contrib become 9.1-contrib and a new Cooker-contrib be started? -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] 20030119 Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Empty warhead found in White House Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:06:14 +1100 Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My local mirror here shows that there has been no update to 9.0-contribs since October last year. That's correct Ron. Neither the 9.0 main or the Contrib tree will have changed since 9.0 went final which was in Oct. Once 9.1 goes final the and mirrors are updated current Cooker Contrib will become the 9.1 Contrib but there is usually a delay between the appearance of the new Main and new Contrib on the mirrors as Main is always changed/updated first. During this delay it is safe to use the current Cooker Contrib as an update source, but only for a period of a week or 2. Charles -- Everybody gets free BORSCHT! - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21pre4-10mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:34 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: snip Yes, in the US, RedHat is the brand that's known and that's what we're trying to address. Blue skies... Todd Ok, let us know what we can do to help. ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] High System Load on disk activity
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:49 am, thorsten Sideb0ard wrote: Hi there, i recently subscribed to the list, and have been enjoying browsing the threads, however i didn't think i would be posting as soon... I wonder if anyone can offer any advice... I have two two machines, built from scratch comprising of Asus P4S8X motherboard, P4 2.4GHz, with two IBM drives each, one Deskstar 120GXP 82.3GB UDMA100 for the system drive and one Deskstar180GXP 185.2GB UDMA100 as a data partition. They have a clean install of Mandrake 9.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# uname -an Linux morpheus.cissme.com 2.4.19-16mdkcustom #4 SMP The drives themselves seem in good shape: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 10011/255/63, sectors = 160836480, start = 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 22526/255/63, sectors = 361882080, start = 0 and seem to get good throughput: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm -tT /dev/hda /dev/hda: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.28 seconds =457.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.40 seconds = 45.71 MB/sec [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# hdparm -tT /dev/hdc /dev/hdc: Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.28 seconds =457.14 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.18 seconds = 54.24 MB/sec Running Bonnie++ also confirms these results and in addition tells me that i get about 23MB a second on Rewrite speeds. All seems pretty good, until i start trying to move any large amounts of data around on the drives while also having mysql and apache running. One of the systems is still not being used, so i can use it as a test box: When i copy 1.7GB of data from hda - hdc, it doesn't seem like much load: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# time cp *.gz /space/scratch.backup/ 0.13user 17.59system 1:44.22elapsed 17%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (130major+23minor)pagefaults 0swaps Output of non-idle mode ps: 4:02pm up 8 days, 22:35, 6 users, load average: 0.97, 0.35, 0.12 86 processes: 83 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 0.5% user, 25.2% system, 0.0% nice, 74.1% idle Mem: 1551472K av, 1521556K used, 29916K free, 0K shrd, 68920K buff Swap: 2097136K av, 154508K used, 1942628K free 1299612K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 380 root 18 0 512 512 440 R15.3 0.0 0:17 cp 421 thorsten 12 0 1044 1044 820 R 0.5 0.0 0:00 top 383 thorsten 9 0 1816 1816 1628 R 0.0 0.1 0:00 sshd And here is a sample of vmstat 1 while the copy is running: procs memoryswap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si sobibo incs us sy id 1 1 1 154508 31488 69112 1297788 0 0 16000 36752 989 719 0 29 71 0 1 0 154508 31748 69064 1297580 0 0 16128 40648 1023 851 0 25 75 1 0 0 154508 31080 69060 1298236 0 0 16128 36692 928 695 1 26 73 1 0 0 154508 31044 69068 1298280 0 0 16768 36632 998 765 0 28 72 1 0 0 154508 31004 69036 1298588 0 0 21888 32592 973 922 0 31 69 0 1 1 154508 31084 68928 1298468 0 0 17664 40800 1004 774 2 29 69 1 0 0 154508 31348 68856 1298296 0 0 17792 32596 947 766 0 25 75 1 0 0 154508 31012 68892 1298652 0 0 20480 32592 958 884 1 26 73 0 1 1 154508 30488 68960 1299100 0 0 18048 36692 939 799 0 30 70 1 0 1 154508 29728 68968 1299748 0 0 16128 40932 1034 722 1 20 79 0 1 0 154508 30192 68940 1299324 0 0 16000 36492 971 834 1 24 75 0 1 0 154508 30060 68928 1299464 0 0 16128 38696 933 735 0 23 77 0 1 0 154508 29908 68920 1299612 0 0 16128 34544 943 656 0 28 72 Howver on the box also running mysql and httpd at the same time: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# time cp *.gz /space/scratch.backup/ 0.31user 15.43system 3:27.27elapsed 7%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (130major+23minor)pagefaults 0swaps non-idle ps output: 4:26pm up 27 days, 3:03, 6 users, load average: 7.97, 4.42, 2.42 419 processes: 418 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 18.0% user, 58.9% system, 0.0% nice, 23.0% idle Mem: 1551472K av, 1520456K used, 31016K free, 0K shrd, 17532K buff Swap: 2097136K av, 39756K used, 2057380K free 1129820K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 5120 thorsten 14
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm trying to really learn about my Linux systems. I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really helped me tremendously. I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or windows. Robert Crawford On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:11 pm, et wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my experience. It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the eye-candy, get faster response. Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the point of it works on the primary developer's machine is not very fun. dos centavos, Jack On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows ... And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers are a problem (strange, Windows doesn't write video drivers), and of course the overhead in maintaining decent security is there by design in linux.
Re: [expert] High System Load on disk activity
Offhand I would expect you have hit a condition in a filesystem. You say move does that mean delete as well? If so and if you are using XFS, that is normal. XFS seems to do something really interesting with deletion, perhaps some form of defragging of open space. if you are using ext2 I would be shocked by this behavior, but the journaling filesystems do have additional overhead. Let's get a little better description of your setup and see if someone can reproduce the behavior. Doh! Filesystem is the obvious thing i forgot to describe. All partitions are formatted with ext3. I've have them mounted with data=journal at the moment, but i found a speed comparison with ext2, ext3 and reiserfs, which showed the default ext3 to be considerably slower. i'm going to wait till early tommorow till i'm sure there are no or minimal users on the site, stop apache and mysql, then remount the data partition with data=writeback, which is supposedly a lot faster and will still give the same guarantee of consistancy as reiserfs. I had tried data=writeback on the quiet machine, but didn't notice a considerable difference. I'm going to run some tests on the quiet system at the moment, and then try the live system in the morning, so i'll let you know how it goes. my reference: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8selm=linux.kernel.E162ZQN-00069u-00%40fenrus.demon.nl thanks, thorsten -- |---| |Thorsten-Sideb0ard-| |---Consolidated Independent| |---| Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD = 8.1?
Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Hello all, Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? Get a grip people! Cool it Ric, slow down. Caught in the race are you? ;-) This is Linux! It's not, it's just one of the many distributions. Linus has nothing to do with Mandrake releases. If you want the newest software, run the new versions, And change every 6 months, no thanks! Now that we finally got all our 3rd party s.w. working like vpn clients (cicso, freeswan), vmware workstations, banking software, NVIDIA drivers, sound drivers... to name but a few. Do you think those suppliers are happy with having to support 50 versions of their product on their website for Liniux? And what about those new users, how do you expect them to cope with ever changing versions and get orientated? It's hard enough for them to get on board in the 1st place. When the poor guys ask for help it's o so easy to tell them 'upgrade'. There are also a lot of people who want to put their system to good use once it's up and has most of what they need working and not having to think about doing it all over again in 6 mths. OR: Go get KDE x.xx and install it yourself! Yes, lets to the same work a thousand times over! In stead of Mandrake doing it just once and sharing it with their community. Very smart... How can you people continue to push Mandrake to release the newest software for old releases, AND expect them to put out new releases?!?! How are we pushing when we are holding on to our older (I hate to use that word) releases? What is harder, compiling a few major apps or a whole release? Yes, I agree (in part) that the release cycle is too fast. They have developed the habit of moving on to the next version, before they get the current one, up to date, and working (se my last post on this). I'm not the only one who's thinking that. Don't get me wrong, I loved Mandrake since 6.x . In stead of having a big following for one release you end up with many small ones. Now there's even more divisions with the non-club, standard, silver and golden categories. This is not good for support. It's not good for Mandrake either having to adapt their thinking or solutions to so many versions. It's making everybody's live hard. I'm on a rant today. I see two distinct flavors of users on this list: 1) I want the latest greatest everything, all the time, on my 2 year old distro. And it better be stable. and 2) I want new versions of everything, including the OS monthly.. and it better be stable. Well it's still a free list, touch wood, and these are the 2 extremes. That shouldn't defer Mandrake from choosing a golden middle path. In the longer run we would apreciate. Give Mandrakesoft a break folks. If you want to run bleeding edge, either run cooker, upgrade, or, install it yourself. That's like saying bugger off. Where's the spirit of sharing and helping out? Enough ranting. I have work to do. Upgrading no doubt. :-D Cheers, Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
I was not speaking about anyone in particular On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:13 pm, flacycads wrote: If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm trying to really learn about my Linux systems. ahh go ahead and overclock and learn linux at the same time,,, nothing like creating extra problems to get extra training on repairing them grin I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really helped me tremendously. I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to decide what really is the best optimization for the ram use. My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or windows. compare the second loading times then, notice how much faster an application loads the second time in Linux, then compare the comparitive app in M$win, or even better, compare loading the app (try Adobe photoshop) in a VMware window the second time, then compare loading it as dual boot. I bet your network is correctly setup and tweaked, and his /etc/host file is empty too Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:06 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: Question One. My local mirror here shows that there has been no update to 9.0-contribs since October last year. Is this correct? Yes What has gone wrong? Nothing Question Two. When 9.1 is released, will the present Cooker-contrib become 9.1-contrib and a new Cooker-contrib be started? Yes, which is why 9.0 contrib has not changed since it was released last October. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XTE6Gu5uuMFlL5MRApIDAJ4lQJYNG5Cgz5jHVhluWHEcEcBZjgCcCiCI NLdTdQ+8aL+GilcGwbjARKA= =rfQu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD = 8.1?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:10 pm, Guy Zelck wrote: Tibbetts, Ric wrote: If you want the newest software, run the new versions, And change every 6 months, no thanks! Now that we finally got all our 3rd party s.w. working like vpn clients (cicso, freeswan), vmware workstations, banking software, NVIDIA drivers, sound drivers... to name but a few. Do you think those suppliers are happy with having to support 50 versions of their product on their website for Liniux? And what about those new users, how do you expect them to cope with ever changing versions and get orientated? It's hard enough for them to get on board in the 1st place. When the poor guys ask for help it's o so easy to tell them 'upgrade'. There are also a lot of people who want to put their system to good use once it's up and has most of what they need working and not having to think about doing it all over again in 6 mths. Sounds to me like you are a candidate for Debian stable, slow and steady, no real upgrades for years. Of course they are on KDE 2.2.2 still, so that won't do. OR: Go get KDE x.xx and install it yourself! Yes, lets to the same work a thousand times over! In stead of Mandrake doing it just once and sharing it with their community. Very smart... Or you do it and share it with the community so that they do not have to do it a thousand times over. Become a Club volunteer and package KDE3.1 for club members, I bet you would get a VIP membership out of it. How can you people continue to push Mandrake to release the newest software for old releases, AND expect them to put out new releases?!?! How are we pushing when we are holding on to our older (I hate to use that word) releases? What is harder, compiling a few major apps or a whole release? Yes, I agree (in part) that the release cycle is too fast. They have developed the habit of moving on to the next version, before they get the current one, up to date, and working (se my last post on this). I believe they keep it working (security updates, major bugfixes), but up to date may be another story. I would assume that they believe that is what the new distro is for. In essence saying, if you want the new stuff run the new distro, and if you want new stuff for the old distro, join the Club, but if it is older than 12 months, we don't know what it is. I'm not the only one who's thinking that. Don't get me wrong, I loved Mandrake since 6.x . In stead of having a big following for one release you end up with many small ones. Now there's even more divisions with the non-club, standard, silver and golden categories. This is not good for support. It's not good for Mandrake either having to adapt their thinking or solutions to so many versions. It's making everybody's live hard. Which is exactly why they are going to support only two prior releases as per their new product life initiative. There are strong arguments for lengthening the release cycle and providing more software updates between releases, but that is not what Mandrake is doing right now. Subsequently, it is not us you have to convince, but MandrakeSoft. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XTY7Gu5uuMFlL5MRAp9ZAJ9AB/Jyb8vhiyDMVOzLm19PdzTBnwCeOtVr h6mag1XE4Svld+tbopdg9Z0= =T0Dg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:06:14 +1100 Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My local mirror here shows that there has been no update to 9.0-contribs since October last year. That's correct Ron. Neither the 9.0 main or the Contrib tree will have changed since 9.0 went final which was in Oct. Once 9.1 goes final the and mirrors are updated current Cooker Contrib will become the 9.1 Contrib but there is usually a delay between the appearance of the new Main and new Contrib on the mirrors as Main is always changed/updated first. During this delay it is safe to use the current Cooker Contrib as an update source, but only for a period of a week or 2. My understanding of the purpose of contribs is for 3rd parties to contribute applications, which may be non-GPL, which are then distributed as unsupported contribs by Mandrake as a courtesy. I find it incredible if there have really been no 3rd party application contributions for 9.0 since Oct 2002. Previous releases had plenty of contrib updates during field currency of the current release. So nobody has ever submitted any contribs based on a stable 9.0? Now it seems that 3rd parties must develop thier contributed applications against the always-changing not-stable status of Cooker if they are to make it (untested!!!) into the next release? I reallly do find this incredible! Unbelievable! -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] 20030119 Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ "Empty warhead found in White House" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] postgreSQL / PGaccess
Is anyone using this combination successfully? regards Daryl -- Help! I'm trapped in a PDP 11/70! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:13 pm, flacycads wrote: If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm trying to really learn about my Linux systems. I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really helped me tremendously. I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or windows. Robert Crawford On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:11 pm, et wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my experience. It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the eye-candy, get faster response. Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the point of it works on the primary developer's machine is not very fun. dos centavos, Jack On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows ... And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers are a problem (strange,
Re: [expert] Contribs
E, pardon my intrusion but I think you might want to check your mailer settings. I am sure you didn't want to send html to the list On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:16 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 10:56, Tibor Pittich wrote: On 26. feb 2003 09:23, Jack Coates wrote: This would be a sweet addition to Mandrake's base install: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/ hey, wake up! are you check date of latest version? this is unmaintained project, and there is another s.m.a.r.t. capable package into mandrake, which called smartmontools (which is my favorite), or ide-smart .. huh -- wish they'd have said something in the README. It does mention it on their homepage, but I didn't check it before since a lot of sourceforge projects don't put anything there at all. As for the date of 2001, that didn't bother me because the version number was high enough to imply that it had simply hit a stable point; after all, it's just a utility to dump information from a standard interface, I don't expect daily changes. I'll look into the other projects when I get a chance, but this is working for now. In fact, smartmontools appears to be the same project. urpmi smartmontools gets nothing. http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ -- excuse me? Don't download the src.rpm? Okay [/me backs slowly towards exit] A little diffing of the source tarballs shows they are indeed the same project. src.rpm builds and installs with no issues. smartd works and smartctl shows same information, only more of it. well, that was exciting. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 10:37, Greg Meyer wrote: ... I agree with you wholeheartedly, however the point I was trying to make was that as we all sit around here and discuss these things, very often we have that discussion based on what we think a particular term, like beta, rc or stability mean, without acknowledging the way MandrakeSoft means them. I do not believe that we should not communicate with the company to try to get them to change their definition, or modify thier way of thinking. Perhaps changing the way releases are numbered, so that common perception aligns with reality is the way to go, but as an alternative to your proposal, instead of changing the MandrakeSoft release philosophy, change the numbering so there are no longer any point releases. 10 and 11 vs 9.1 and 9.2. Although this would align reality more with what peoples understandings of releases are, I acknowledge that it does not address your criticism about bug fixing. ... I think this is the most reasonable course of action; it assuages symptoms and concerns without imposing more stress on MandrakeSoft. That way, instead of continually re-explaining that Mandrake doesn't follow the convention of bleeding-edge in x.0, increasing stability in x.1,2, Mandrake and its users can simply say it's a different release strategy. Date-based release name is certainly one good way to imply this philosophy, but it has a few bad marketing implications. Code names are fun, but people will probably gripe. Sticking with the ordinal numbers and losing the decimals is probably the best option. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD = 8.1?
Greg Meyer wrote: Sounds to me like you are a candidate for Debian stable, slow and steady, no real upgrades for years. Of course they are on KDE 2.2.2 still, so that won't do. Actually on http://www.kde.org/info/3.1.php there are kde3.1 packages for debian stable (note that I'm not interested ATM neither in debian nor in kde3.1, but it seemed strange to me that there were no kde3.1 packages for debian). Maybe he could be better served by suse, since there are packages for 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 8.0, 8.1 (but since I don't track suse I cannot tell how old or how new these releases are) Bye -- Luca Olivetti Note.- This message reached you today, it may not tomorrow if you are using MAPS or other RBL. They arbitrarily IP addresses not related in any way to spam, disrupting Internet connectivity. See http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/21/1944247 and http://theory.whirlycott.com/~phil/antispam/rbl-bad/rbl-bad.html pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
On 26. feb 2003 15:23, Jack Coates wrote: project, and there is another s.m.a.r.t. capable package into mandrake, which called smartmontools (which is my favorite), or ide-smart .. urpmi smartmontools gets nothing. smartmontools is in contrib. have you defined contrib in urpmi sources? if no, there is package, for example: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/contrib/i586/smartmontools-5.0-8.2mdk.i586.rpm and srpm of course, easy.. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 16:31, Tibor Pittich wrote: On 26. feb 2003 15:23, Jack Coates wrote: project, and there is another s.m.a.r.t. capable package into mandrake, which called smartmontools (which is my favorite), or ide-smart .. urpmi smartmontools gets nothing. smartmontools is in contrib. have you defined contrib in urpmi sources? if no, there is package, for example: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/contrib/i586/smartmontools-5.0-8.2mdk.i586.rpm and srpm of course, easy.. I had, but I recently undefined it because everything from contrib fails due to glibc incompatibilities. :-P [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ rpm -q glibc glibc-2.2.5-16mdk wow! Me thinks this tool is incorrectly configured, or else my right hand is too burned to feel heat any more... Feb 26 15:51:11 chupacabra smartd[4976]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 161 to 152 -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 07:39 pm, Jack Coates wrote: I had, but I recently undefined it because everything from contrib fails due to glibc incompatibilities. :-P Were you trying to use Cooker contrib instead of 9.0 contrib? - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XWUMGu5uuMFlL5MRApYjAJ4gMYSRYruQAzkyzWOW7m4/JI19RQCfaF8o vKzwrqkaYiJS7y74QuK12lk= =kG+7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] www.TrueMajority.com
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 06:08, et wrote: Very bad form to send this type (of SPAM) to a tech mail list, From: Adolfo ortiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] has just made it to my spam filters If you still have the message in your trash, you might consider forwarding a complaint to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the original message with full headers. Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] a question about pdf attachments
After further investigation, I found that the problem was with people using Outlook. On Friday 21 February 2003 05:23 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 21 February 2003 07:18 pm, engage wrote: Everytime I receive a message with a PDF file attachment, it shows up as in-line text. Any other attachment type shows up as an icon. What is causing the problem with the PDF file attachments? Mandrake 9.0, Kmail 1.4.3 (set to display attachments as icons). Are you missing a mime-type for pdf docs? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] www.TrueMajority.com
Adolpho should not have done this, but there is right winged shit on this list all the time. Don't get me started! On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:02 pm, Seth Zirin wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 06:08, et wrote: Very bad form to send this type (of SPAM) to a tech mail list, From: Adolfo ortiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] has just made it to my spam filters If you still have the message in your trash, you might consider forwarding a complaint to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the original message with full headers. Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: OT Re: [expert] 9.1 party
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:04 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 13:21, J. Grant wrote: hi Jack Coates wrote: A UK-specific distro is kinda scary, I'm imagining all this Austin Powers theming going on :-) And of course it would have to use the Slackware .tgz packaging system, just to be anachronistically different than the EU... heh, and we all still wear bowler hats and pin strip when we go to work in the city! not to forget the important umbrella, as its always raining! Would be fun to try a Chinese distro, probably got anti capitalist msg in there somewhere. What then would be a US theme? Cheers I don't think I can answer that in this political climate without igniting another OT flame-war, so let's just drop it here :-) I can! it would be red, white and friggin blue! ;) Mark Didn't RedHat once have a Kudzu theme in honor of its North Carolina roots? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] change hostname
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still localhost.localdomain Thanks - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XZdUAulWMV3BRjARAuegAKCKPos7fhrvcPoDaywyiJ4sUQ/vHwCgj6M4 NXDGjZ2j7uKwU/NyUoeeOME= =vXQE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
--- David McGlone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still localhost.localdomain Thanks - -- David M. Do a vi on /etc/sysconfig/network. LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
run linuxconf Mike On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 20:42, David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still localhost.localdomain Thanks - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XZdUAulWMV3BRjARAuegAKCKPos7fhrvcPoDaywyiJ4sUQ/vHwCgj6M4 NXDGjZ2j7uKwU/NyUoeeOME= =vXQE -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Michael Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Argh! fsck failed on boot!
Booting my system tonight, I got the following ominous message: fsck.ext3/dev/hda1: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 8193 device :no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda1 I booted to a rescue disk and tried the e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/hda1, and I tried 16385 and 24577, all are corrupt. I also tried e2fsck -vpf, as the disk appears clean to e2fsck. Errors are found and repaired, and the disk is pronounced usable by e2fsck, but on reboot the above horror story is played out. Am I screwed, or is there something I have done wrong or haven't tried? Documentation in my texts is slim on fs repair and superblock restoration. Please help. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
You might think you want to make this change but you really do not: localhost.localdomain is the name that your loop back device (127.0.0.1) needs in order to maintain stability within the OS. Without this name being in the hosts file, you will have some problems. You could consider naming the hostname, buddy, on a NIC device, such as eth0 (depending on what you have setup). Cheers, drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Administration http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.html Character is built upon the debris of despair --Emerson David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still localhost.localdomain Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to decide what really is the best optimization for the ram use. AFAIK, this is not entirely correct. I've known people running about 768 (or something like that).. oh, no, wait. It was 1G of RAM. The problem with it is that Win9X cannot use all of it. And also, any more than 512MB will only make the machine slower, as Win9x kernels have a memory managment so crippled that it can choke by maintaining too many process tables and memory pages. And no matter how many programs this guy loaded, memory usage was never above ~400 MB, and it would even freeze due to lack of resources without going any further. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest achievable equivalent. Civileme, there are few to none occasions in which i can disagree with you or even judge your knowledge... you are simply above many of us, most of the time, but this is one of the subjects in which you sound a little ...wishful? In this machine of mine, i can load windows 98, and Office will take something like 2 seconds to start. True, most of the libs are already on memory. But then, i can also run Office thru wine on Linux (does Linux preload MS Office in memory?) and it takes about 5 to 10 seconds. (this includes the time needed to launch the wineserver, wine.bin processes, and then MS Office. OpenOffice.org 1.0 takes a full minute. Try it yourself. As you very correctly said, thare are some things for which Linux is faster, and some things for which Windows is faster. Now, MS Office is a VERY fast set of applications. Even if it's not pre-loaded (wine proves it). And OpenOffice.org is a VERY SLOW set of applications (regarding startup anyway. Normal operation does not differ almost) snip I amazed people at a local Computer Renaissance when loading a copy of Mandrake for a business customer. One of the CDs would not read on the target machine (media vs drive error on a brand-new drive) so I used a Mandrake Demonstrator there to burn a copy of the CD which would read. While burning, I was printing the user manual I had prepared and also showing someone how to connect to the internet using the machine and MCC And then I burned a copy of another CD (showing how backing up could be done). The store techs were floored. They had a hyped-up dual P4 running win2K server and when they were burning they could not do anything else, and they HAD to reset after burning or the next CD they burned would have only a directory and no retrievable data. Civileme I have tried this also. In this one you are quite right, Linux 0wnz CD-burning and proper multitasking. :o) Damian --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic after defrag in WinjMe
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 02:43, antonio rodriguez wrote: Dear Ted, Yes it gives more information than gpart, and most of all, it recognizes my linux partitions, with all my dear data within. Now the problem is how to resize the partitions and how to boot again the system. Lilo works OK, the problem is that linux size partitions are all wrong and duplicated. Antonio, It's delicate... it can be done. But if you know which partition is your home partition (or wherever the data is) all is not lost. If gparted or the other tool give you the beginning of each partition (this is more important than the end actually) You can use fdisk to recreate them. What I've done in the past is boot from the disk 1 rescue disk. then using it, create the first partition. Test mount it. If it mounts ok and is readable go on to the second. If it isn't readable recheck the beginning of the partition doing so one at a time your data will re-appear since it's not gone... just hidden from view. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: OT Re: [expert] 9.1 party
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 18:47, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:04 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 13:21, J. Grant wrote: hi Jack Coates wrote: A UK-specific distro is kinda scary, I'm imagining all this Austin Powers theming going on :-) And of course it would have to use the Slackware .tgz packaging system, just to be anachronistically different than the EU... heh, and we all still wear bowler hats and pin strip when we go to work in the city! not to forget the important umbrella, as its always raining! Would be fun to try a Chinese distro, probably got anti capitalist msg in there somewhere. What then would be a US theme? Cheers I don't think I can answer that in this political climate without igniting another OT flame-war, so let's just drop it here :-) I can! it would be red, white and friggin blue! ;) Mark Didn't RedHat once have a Kudzu theme in honor of its North Carolina roots? -- cmg dunno about that but the first i18n locale they ever did was redneck. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 08:22, civileme wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:36 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 10:50 pm, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:12 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. Anne If you buy a boxed set from mandrakestore, they see about half the proceeds. If you buy a boxed set from a computer store or office supply, they see about $4 for out of the price. If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme - interested from a business pov - 'covering costs' of the club? I imagine most of that is labour costs? Presumably there are optimum numbers of club members for those costs? If we get more members, would the 'share' received increase? Anne Of course. It is a far superior purchase for both sides unless someone really needs support, in which case a packaged product or one of the products sold wiht extensive support (like MNF) is the customer's choice. But for many users, Mandrake Club is the win/win situation. Civileme Still I hope for one thing. That this time the 9.1 boxes will be on the shelves BEFORE everyone has downloaded a copy. Yes 89 bucks for an OS and a tone of software is a heck of a deal. But it seems like less of one when you've already burned your own CD. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 12:52, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:34 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: snip Yes, in the US, RedHat is the brand that's known and that's what we're trying to address. Blue skies... Todd Ok, let us know what we can do to help. ET ET First thing from my limited viewpoint I've already seen you doing. Beta testing. Second. thing... Every time someone asks about Linux don't talk down others but rather talk up the fact that bar none MDK is the best Desktop Linux distro around. My personal fav is to ask people why there 1.5ghz laptop boots so much slower than my 500mhz laptop. *grin* (I use iceWM with the XP theme... In fact I've even got a LinuxXP professional edition backgroud *grin, grin, grin*) The most effective tactics have been. 1. Don't talk down another OS, talk up Linux. 2. Always answer with the honest truth. If the tool drakfoo bytes admit it. Honesty goes further than hype. But don't forget the objective of the tool and where it will go. 3. Show RH users the tools in MDK... ESPECIALLY urpmi... if there is one reason to use MDK that's the one. 4. Always wear a cheesy grin when using your computer with MDK (Makes em curious as heck.) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
