[expert] Java?
Recently I have noticed that my java applets have stopped working, and I found the problem: I have no plugin for java on my machine. Hunting around, I find that I don't even have Java running. I notice that I have Kaffe pretending to be java. I can't find a proper JRE on the cds. Nothing seems to query it up? Out of despairation, I am currently downloading JRE 1.4.1 from Blackdown.org. Is java included with 9.1, and if so, what is the JRE called? -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Getting rid of supermount
How does one go about getting rid of supermount? I have played with it long enough to decide that I like Mandrake without it, as it seems to act weird, not mounting some jobs, locking some from being a unmounted, and just being a pain. Heck, Icons in KDE can replace it in a snap. I can imagine that I will need to rewrite my fstab to not include it. But where else will I need to fix things up? -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting rid of supermount
Rob Blomquist wrote: How does one go about getting rid of supermount? I have played with it long enough to decide that I like Mandrake without it, as it seems to act weird, not mounting some jobs, locking some from being a unmounted, and just being a pain. Heck, Icons in KDE can replace it in a snap. I can imagine that I will need to rewrite my fstab to not include it. But where else will I need to fix things up? As root, supermount -i disable will disable supermount and modify /etc/fstab accordingly. See man supermount. Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] weird cdrom problem
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 21:10, Leonardo Sá wrote: Em Dom 15 Jun 2003 00:52, Greg Meyer escreveu: On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:31 pm, Leonardo Sá wrote: Look at this: inserted the m$office cd into the drive just for test purposes... [EMAIL PROTECTED] leo]# mount /mnt/cdrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] leo]# cd /mnt/cdrom/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrom]# ls FILES/ INSTALAR.EXE* INSTMSI.EXE* INSTMSIW.EXE* MSDE2000/ OWC10.MSI* PRORET.MSI* README.HTM* after some minutes (less than five) and in the same terminal window... [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrom]# ls ls: FILES: No such file or directory ls: INSTMSI.EXE: No such file or directory ls: INSTMSIW.EXE: No such file or directory ls: MSDE2000: No such file or directory ls: OWC10.MSI: No such file or directory ls: PRORET.MSI: No such file or directory ls: README.HTM: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] cdrom]# This also happens with the floppy drive and other cd-rom disks (all of them i think). What went wrong? yes, i'm using 9.0. Is this a supermount bug? is it fixed in 9.1? Yes and Yes... I'm also told (although the box that had this problem for me died completely.) that the latest kernel for 9.0 (2.4.19-32mdk) also solves the problem. I'd try it first before the upgrade if you are happy with 9.0. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Java?
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 23:01, Rob Blomquist wrote: Recently I have noticed that my java applets have stopped working, and I found the problem: I have no plugin for java on my machine. Hunting around, I find that I don't even have Java running. I notice that I have Kaffe pretending to be java. I can't find a proper JRE on the cds. Nothing seems to query it up? Out of despairation, I am currently downloading JRE 1.4.1 from Blackdown.org. Is java included with 9.1, and if so, what is the JRE called? j2re-1.4.1_01-2mdk is the rpm name. I believe it's in contrib... but it could have been club... I get rpms from so many places I get lost *grin* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting rid of supermount
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 23:05, Rob Blomquist wrote: How does one go about getting rid of supermount? I have played with it long enough to decide that I like Mandrake without it, as it seems to act weird, not mounting some jobs, locking some from being a unmounted, and just being a pain. Heck, Icons in KDE can replace it in a snap. I can imagine that I will need to rewrite my fstab to not include it. But where else will I need to fix things up? supermount disable and then edit fstab to replace supermount with the correct fs. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Java?
On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:25 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 23:01, Rob Blomquist wrote: Recently I have noticed that my java applets have stopped working, and I found the problem: I have no plugin for java on my machine. Hunting around, I find that I don't even have Java running. I notice that I have Kaffe pretending to be java. I can't find a proper JRE on the cds. Nothing seems to query it up? Out of despairation, I am currently downloading JRE 1.4.1 from Blackdown.org. Is java included with 9.1, and if so, what is the JRE called? j2re-1.4.1_01-2mdk is the rpm name. I believe it's in contrib... but it could have been club... I get rpms from so many places I get lost *grin* I didn't have the club download configured, so urpmi never checked there. I set it up and it was found. Now, the big question is, why is it in club downloads? I would think that java is so central to life that it would be part of the distrobution. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Java?
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 00:08, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:25 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 23:01, Rob Blomquist wrote: Recently I have noticed that my java applets have stopped working, and I found the problem: I have no plugin for java on my machine. Hunting around, I find that I don't even have Java running. I notice that I have Kaffe pretending to be java. I can't find a proper JRE on the cds. Nothing seems to query it up? Out of despairation, I am currently downloading JRE 1.4.1 from Blackdown.org. Is java included with 9.1, and if so, what is the JRE called? j2re-1.4.1_01-2mdk is the rpm name. I believe it's in contrib... but it could have been club... I get rpms from so many places I get lost *grin* I didn't have the club download configured, so urpmi never checked there. I set it up and it was found. Now, the big question is, why is it in club downloads? I would think that java is so central to life that it would be part of the distrobution. Rob One word License. Due to the one Sun has on it they (RH SuSe MDK et al) can't distribute it on the download version ... only commercial (boxed set) and via something like the club. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Coreldraw files to?
James, Also problem to compile; I have the libs that the the programe need (mentioned in the INSTALL file): [EMAIL PROTECTED] gfXcon_0.3]# make g++ -c misc.c misc.c:38:20: Imlib2.h: No such file or directory misc.c: In function `void init(Display**, Visual**, Screen**, Window*)': misc.c:63: `imlib_context_set_display' undeclared (first use this function) misc.c:63: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) misc.c:64: `imlib_context_set_visual' undeclared (first use this function) misc.c:65: `imlib_context_set_colormap' undeclared (first use this function) misc.c:66: `imlib_context_set_drawable' undeclared (first use this function) make: *** [misc] Error 1 ¿Any ideas? Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Murcia, España (Spain) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATI Radeon 7000 DRI
John Haywood wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2003 08:07 am, Jack Coates wrote: [...] for 3D, you´re going to need the proprietary dri and fglrx drivers from ATI. They were posted on their German support site, and, while I could get them to sort of work under 9.0 (X worked in blissful 3-D, but going back to runlevel 3 gave me a messed-up/blitted console, I could not get the newer drivers to work on 9.1. There was a short thread on this a coupla months back - ´ATI Radeon Drivers´ The other thing I just noticed, is that the latest kernel from MDK seems to include some fixes for the Radeon good luck with it all - I must admit I gave up under 9.1 and bought a Ti4200 - what to do? Actually - the ATI stuff work - but in case you have a NForce2 Board you have to compile your Kernel and apply some patches. The problem is that the agpgart module has not been adapted to recognise also never ATI cards - so - only possibility is to patch it yourself. References: http://etudiant.epita.fr:8000/~nonolk/nforce-agp.diff and thread about this patch is under: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=2c9d5a3b6f0dce436445a7019c8c3b7ethreadid=9396perpage=25pagenumber=3 I have however to say - that I'm not really able to play UT2003 the way I could using the NVidia card - under Nvidia - it's much smoother and no Fast Dia-Show (even if stat fps shows me 60fps). The reason I switched was Noise. Hi hate noisy computers - and the NVidia cards are just tooo loud. Cheers Joerg -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Make xconfig doesn't work in new kernel
James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 20:52, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: I've had this for a while on all kernels with my hardware. I just vi .config and search for asm or ASM every time I find it I comment the line out with a #. Then it compiles. Seems that ASM can only compile on boxes that need/use it I guess. OR there is something else that needs a yes or module that isn't obvious. I got it done by using make oldconfig, but I suppose it should work. I also just got dumped out of menuconfig when I tried to enter the ALSA configuration. I suppose I should report both of these to vdanen. xconfig works ok if you can use it. Talking about Alsa, you can download the new alsa 0.9.4 drivers if you want. Just make sure - during compile time you disable the verbose-printk with ./configure --disable-verbose-printk if not - you'll get failed dependencies on snd.o which makes the entire soundsystem unusable. Cheers Joerg -- | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED](Home)| | in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Work)| | Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 54 | Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 11:37 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 13:44, Simon Naish wrote: Hi, I'm trying to create a boot floppy for my mdk9.1 system. However, it stalls, saying there's not enough space to copy mkinitrd or saying that the floppy is mounted. Pain in the arse this, any ideas? mkbootfloppy gives the same response as the control center (being that that is what the center is running eh!). Cheers all Si Mine does this on occasion... I have to unmount the floppy then mkdosfs /dev/fd0 then use the tool and suddenly the floppy is the right size... I don't understand... it just worked. I don't know what causes it, but it's not new. I had the same problem in 8.2. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
** Anne Wilson (Sonntag, 15. Juni 2003 11:28) On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 11:37 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Mine does this on occasion... I have to unmount the floppy then mkdosfs /dev/fd0 then use the tool and suddenly the floppy is the right size... I don't understand... it just worked. I don't know what causes it, but it's not new. I had the same problem in 8.2. I thought it was related to supermount but I can't remember: was supermount in 8.2 already? A related question: Is there a doc somewhere on putting a boot-floppy on CD or IOW: making a special bootable rescue/install CD? wobo -- Public GnuPG key available at http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: 9.1 kernel 2.4.21 vs cooker 2.4.21
Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 14 June 2003 06:04 pm, Joan Tur wrote: Es Dissabte 14 Juny 2003 23:52, en Jack Coates va escriure: doesn't matter where it is, urpmi will select the one with the highest version number. This way your computer installs the update package instead of the distribution package for packages that have been updated but weren't previously installed. You're wright. But there's an error in cooker's kernel-source-2.4.21-1mdk. It installs itself in /usr/src/linux-2.4.21-0.1 instead 8-? Ah, you too. This install made me think it was a kernel version previous to my current 2.4.21-0.13mdk. Is this erroneous? Is it actually more recent than 0.13mdk? I ran urpmi --update kernel-source and get squat. I am doing an update on my sources to see if this changes the situation but if 2.4.21-0.1mdk is the most recent then I'll just go with it. Just to clarify for you all... The 2.4.21-0.1mdk that is the current kernel in Cooker is a 2.4.21-rc1 based... As for all users running MDK 9.1 I suggest you stick with the 18mdk from updates atleast for now (or my modified one for aic79xx support)... And those of you that have Club accounts, I suggest using Danny's latest kernels that has all my updates, and then some... ;-) And AFAIK Danny is building a kernel that will end up on a public host, that whould have all of theese new fixes + some more... As for 2.4.21 Release in Cooker, I think Juan is working on it, but since all MDK specific stuff also needs to be adapted to it, it will take some time (not to mention all the supported arches...) Best Regards Thomas Backlund www.iki.fi/tmb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Urpmi a non-Mandrake RPM package?
Is it possible to #urpmi XYZ.rpm, where XYZ was not packaged for Mandrake, and a previous version of XYZ exists on the systems and is running? I am specifically interested in IceWM, which has a couple of updates beyond what MDK delivered with 9.1, and those are in RPM format, but not for MDK. TIA, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running updatedb crashes my comp!
On Saturday June 14 2003 10:59 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 09:43 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: That means you've got no problems with cpu/cache/ram and that your cooling is adequate under extreme load. I suspect your problem involves some files or such that got corrupted by all these hard lockups and resets you've had. Tho I really don't know what slocate uses to build the db, I suspect it doesn't do it all by itself. Whats puzzling (extremely!) Is that I had reinstalled (fresh) then ran updatedb -first- before doing anything else. Happened from from the very first reboot after installation. Not much chance of damage done there, eh? I do know that slocate -u and updatedb do the same thing, AFAIK. 'locate -u' == 'updatedb'Sorry I must'a missed the part where you've had this problem even after a fresh install. You could try 'bonnie++' to see if your drive(s) are behaving up to par. Should be on your CD's. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi -- I'm impressed!
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:25:52 -0400 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the executable is inside the package and the hdlist keeps that info. urpmi is awesome and IMO, the best thing about Mandrake. To be honest the real reason that it works it that we who build rpms do show some sense once in awhile. When the pkg name changed from nt to d4x the d4x rpm builds for the Mandrake rpms included in the spec Obsoletes: nt This ensures that if nt is installed, and update is run, urpmi will install d4x Provides: nt This allows urpmi to install d4x when someone calls it as nt as Miark did. Charles -- Arithmetic: An obscure art no longer practiced in the world's developed countries. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.1mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 I have tried everything one can imagine, in regards to previously posted advices, from creating symlinks to existing libs, to modifying /etc/ld.so.conf, to rerunning ldconfig ... etc. I almost envy winblows users now, who can install multiple versions of dll-s in the directories of the executables, and they run programs fine. I have been trying to keep the system urpmi database friendly, but this way I won't be able to install different libraries, as installing the ones I need, from source, would probably have undesired effects. What are you - people - doing with the programs requiring different libraries than what MDK provides? Or are you using only MDK packaged programs? Another perfect example of something needed, but impossible to install in MDK9.1: nagios 1.1 (the www part), which - yet again - cannot install because of the same issue of libraries (and - by the way - the packagers from MDK decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which TIA, Stef P.S. Speaking of nagios - the person who contributed the nagios packag for MDK9.1 decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which are based on a /usr/local/nagios consolidated directory install. I spent almost a week adjusting all config files to take into account the new placement, MDK9.1 specific, and I (hope) documented everything. If anybody is interested, I can clean the docs up and send them over. What a PITA that was!!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
Very weird situation - didn't pay much attention to it, until now, when - due to some immediate needs to resolve some issues via email - it seems to go beyond a simple nuisance level: I can highlight (thus copy) anything from any window, and then paste by mid-click-ing (does this sound winblowz-like, or what ? ;( ), except from a terminal window (eterm, to be more specific) to kmail, where I need to go through nedit, for example (i.e. I highlight what I need copied from eterm -- paste into nedit -- highlight in nedit -- paste into kmail). Winmgr used: IceWM. Has anybody experienced this? My hope is to upgrade IceWM, to see if this changes behavior ... reason for another email of mine, in regards to how to do this clean for the urpmi database... TIA, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Getting rid of supermount
On Sunday 15 June 2003 02:05 am, Rob Blomquist wrote: How does one go about getting rid of supermount? I have played with it long enough to decide that I like Mandrake without it, as it seems to act weird, not mounting some jobs, locking some from being a unmounted, and just being a pain. Heck, Icons in KDE can replace it in a snap. I can imagine that I will need to rewrite my fstab to not include it. But where else will I need to fix things up? Hi Rob. For me, its supermount -i disable then delete the existing floppy, DVD, CDRW, and Zip icons. After that, right-click on the desktop and choose create new devices (the old icons point to the wrong place). Usually, supermount will change what needs to be changed in /etc/fstab. You can do a mount -a after all this and fstab gets read again, but...I've found that I still need to do a reboot before all my new icons/drives are recognized. Sometimes you have to play with it a bit. :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running updatedb crashes my comp!
On Saturday 14 June 2003 06:39 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: pulling at straws here. if you do ulimit... what does it say? James James, that was a good thought there, but for root and my normal user it reports unlimited. :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:35 am, stefmit wrote: Very weird situation - didn't pay much attention to it, until now, when - due to some immediate needs to resolve some issues via email - it seems to go beyond a simple nuisance level: I can highlight (thus copy) anything from any window, and then paste by mid-click-ing (does this sound winblowz-like, or what ? ;( ), except from a terminal window (eterm, to be more specific) to kmail, where I need to go through nedit, for example (i.e. I highlight what I need copied from eterm -- paste into nedit -- highlight in nedit -- paste into kmail). Winmgr used: IceWM. Has anybody experienced this? My hope is to upgrade IceWM, to see if this changes behavior ... reason for another email of mine, in regards to how to do this clean for the urpmi database... TIA, Stef Stef, you'll find a thread I started on this subject on the newbie list. To cut to the chase - there was no answer. Others users seem to be able to do it just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running updatedb crashes my comp!
On Sunday 15 June 2003 07:58 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: 'locate -u' == 'updatedb'Sorry I must'a missed the part where you've had this problem even after a fresh install. You could try 'bonnie++' to see if your drive(s) are behaving up to par. Should be on your CD's. No problem - I tend to ramble when facing seemingly insurmountable and unsolvable problems! grin I'll try that - I've used bonnie before, thats a pretty good piece of software. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi -- I'm impressed!
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:25:52 -0400 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because the executable is inside the package and the hdlist keeps that info. urpmi is awesome and IMO, the best thing about Mandrake. To be honest the real reason that it works it that we who build rpms do show some sense once in awhile. When the pkg name changed from nt to d4x the d4x rpm builds for the Mandrake rpms included in the spec Obsoletes: nt This ensures that if nt is installed, and update is run, urpmi will install d4x Provides: nt This allows urpmi to install d4x when someone calls it as nt as Miark did. Charles -- Arithmetic: An obscure art no longer practiced in the world's developed countries. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.1mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Urpmi a non-Mandrake RPM package?
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 04:55, stefmit wrote: Is it possible to #urpmi XYZ.rpm, where XYZ was not packaged for Mandrake, and a previous version of XYZ exists on the systems and is running? I am specifically interested in IceWM, which has a couple of updates beyond what MDK delivered with 9.1, and those are in RPM format, but not for MDK. TIA, Stef yes, but proceed with great caution. Better to try a Mandrake cooker RPM first -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... http://www.monkeynoodle.org/resume.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 05:27, stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 I have tried everything one can imagine, in regards to previously posted advices, from creating symlinks to existing libs, to modifying /etc/ld.so.conf, to rerunning ldconfig ... etc. I almost envy winblows users now, who can install multiple versions of dll-s in the directories of the executables, and they run programs fine. I have been trying to keep the system urpmi database friendly, but this way I won't be able to install different libraries, as installing the ones I need, from source, would probably have undesired effects. What are you - people - doing with the programs requiring different libraries than what MDK provides? Or are you using only MDK packaged programs? Usually a problem like this indicates I've downloaded the wrong RPM for my distribution. If it turns out that it is the right RPM, I'll try --nodeps and see if it can install and run. Another perfect example of something needed, but impossible to install in MDK9.1: nagios 1.1 (the www part), which - yet again - cannot install because of the same issue of libraries (and - by the way - the packagers from MDK decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which TIA, Stef P.S. Speaking of nagios - the person who contributed the nagios packag for MDK9.1 decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which are based on a /usr/local/nagios consolidated directory install. I spent almost a week adjusting all config files to take into account the new placement, MDK9.1 specific, and I (hope) documented everything. If anybody is interested, I can clean the docs up and send them over. What a PITA that was!!! no different than what is done with Apache... the compile-from-source package puts everything related to foobar in /usr/local/foobar because that's where it is expected. The came-with-the-OS package (or contrib in this case) puts all configuration in /etc, all logs in /var, all libraries in /usr/lib, etc. That's the way distros are. If you don't want to do it that way, then download the source from nagios.org and configure it, then make rpm. Besides, Nagios is a royal PITA to configure anyway... it took a week to figure out how to do it, yes -- but conversion of my config to Oden's RPM was only an hour. Now, figuring out that it wouldn't run in msec level 4, that took some significant time :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... http://www.monkeynoodle.org/resume.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:35 am, stefmit wrote: Very weird situation - didn't pay much attention to it, until now, when - due to some immediate needs to resolve some issues via email - it seems to go beyond a simple nuisance level: I can highlight (thus copy) anything from any window, and then paste by mid-click-ing (does this sound winblowz-like, or what ? ;( ), except from a terminal window (eterm, to be more specific) to kmail, where I need to go through nedit, for example (i.e. I highlight what I need copied from eterm -- paste into nedit -- highlight in nedit -- paste into kmail). Winmgr used: IceWM. Has anybody experienced this? My hope is to upgrade IceWM, to see if this changes behavior ... reason for another email of mine, in regards to how to do this clean for the urpmi database... TIA, Stef Stef, you'll find a thread I started on this subject on the newbie list. To cut to the chase - there was no answer. Others users seem to be able to do it just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. I'd like to add something to this, if I may. During the 9.1 development cycle, I took the time to download the cooker edition of 9.1 and was testing it in a work environment. I found the problem you gentlemen are discussing above and then went to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com where I posted a bugreport to Bugzilla concerning it. It was not addressed, and went unfixed. So Darklord, there's alot I'm not saying here that could be said offlist. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sunday 15 June 2003 09:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: So Darklord, there's alot I'm not saying here that could be said offlist. --LX I hear ya -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Make xconfig doesn't work in new kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've had no problems at all. Are you all sure you are first running make mrproper? praedor On Saturday 14 June 2003 10:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 20:16, Greg Meyer wrote: Has anybody else tried to recompile the new Mandrake 9.1 kernel. I am trying to apply the win4lin patches and recompile it for Athlon and make xconfig is dumping out with: rm -f include/asm ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm) if [ -f .need_mrproper ]; then \ rm .need_mrproper; \ make mrproper; \ make preconfig; \ [...] I've had this for a while on all kernels with my hardware. I just vi .config and search for asm or ASM every time I find it I comment the line out with a #. Then it compiles. Seems that ASM can only compile on boxes that need/use it I guess. OR there is something else that needs a yes or module that isn't obvious. James - -- The First Amendment rests on the assumption that the widest possible dissemination of information from diverse and antagonistic sources is essential to the welfare of the public. - --Justice Hugo Black GnuPG fingerprint: D170 2A02 B426 6AA0 5E68 3EDC 68AA FDB0 961E 4F18 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+7H4YaKr9sJYeTxgRAnyAAJ9VEAfaiHR5ukNFUluMWoRMqhwZTACfRbgZ GzCNrj+8kqWh0V+7nTfhrhY= =aRQ8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Stef, you'll find a thread I started on this subject on the newbie list. To cut to the chase - there was no answer. Others users seem to be able to do it just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. Same here using 9.0, always worked that way, just thought it was the norm.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] updatedb prob
What's going on here? # updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 15907 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:38 am, Jack Coates wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 05:27, stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 I have tried everything one can imagine, in regards to previously posted advices, from creating symlinks to existing libs, to modifying /etc/ld.so.conf, to rerunning ldconfig ... etc. I almost envy winblows users now, who can install multiple versions of dll-s in the directories of the executables, and they run programs fine. I have been trying to keep the system urpmi database friendly, but this way I won't be able to install different libraries, as installing the ones I need, from source, would probably have undesired effects. What are you - people - doing with the programs requiring different libraries than what MDK provides? Or are you using only MDK packaged programs? Usually a problem like this indicates I've downloaded the wrong RPM for my distribution. If it turns out that it is the right RPM, I'll try --nodeps and see if it can install and run. Another perfect example of something needed, but impossible to install in MDK9.1: nagios 1.1 (the www part), which - yet again - cannot install because of the same issue of libraries (and - by the way - the packagers from MDK decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which TIA, Stef P.S. Speaking of nagios - the person who contributed the nagios packag for MDK9.1 decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which are based on a /usr/local/nagios consolidated directory install. I spent almost a week adjusting all config files to take into account the new placement, MDK9.1 specific, and I (hope) documented everything. If anybody is interested, I can clean the docs up and send them over. What a PITA that was!!! no different than what is done with Apache... the compile-from-source package puts everything related to foobar in /usr/local/foobar because that's where it is expected. The came-with-the-OS package (or contrib in this case) puts all configuration in /etc, all logs in /var, all libraries in /usr/lib, etc. That's the way distros are. If you don't want to do it that way, then download the source from nagios.org and configure it, then make rpm. Sure - wish you were right ... you probably missed the other part of the email: I WANTED to use nagios from the source (i.e. 1.1), as it was fixed for a couple of things. But the www part won't install ... guess why? Because of some libraries problems, which ... and here I can start all over again with my original email ... I guess the question still is: when you NEED a specific library, and ln -s -ing with existing one won't work, WHAT are you doing? Besides, Nagios is a royal PITA to configure anyway... it took a week to figure out how to do it, yes -- but conversion of my config to Oden's RPM was only an hour. Now, figuring out that it wouldn't run in msec level 4, that took some significant time :-) Thx, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] regular expressions with quotes
Hai
I'm trying to do a regular expression, which contains '
As far as I know, I have to backslash the ' but that gives me an error.
expr that returns the part of a string between (' '):
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(\(.*\)).*'
'hello'
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*('\(.*\)').*'
0
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(\'\(.*\)\').*'
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(''\(.*\)'').*'
'hello'
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(.\(.*\).).*'
hello
Anyone has an idea how to contain a single quote in the expression ?
I managed to work around this using just a point (last command above)
but I really want to check for the quote
tia
Steven
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Re: [expert] Wanted to try wine
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 12:37, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 16:22, Jason Guidry wrote: Piero Piutti wrote: Do you know if the cvs works fine as well? I'm working on it, I'll report back on how it goes Just tried Transgaming with a couple of kid games, no success. They both install okay, but neither runs. Arthur's Wilderness Adventure Rescue Heroes Hurricane Havoc. Will take this to the Transgaming list of course, but thought I'd bring it up in light of recent threads :-) What Transgaming list? I thought there were only forums on the Transgaming site. Is there a list? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 For this one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmf libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmq --sources dockingstation /dockingstation-195.64-1.i386.rpm When I get this sort of output, it means the package is on a Club source and I have to be root to see the full url, which includes a password. If you are not a Club member, you could try searching on dockingstation or the library at rpmfind.net. Rolf [..] TIA, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] regular expressions with quotes
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:43, Steven Broos wrote:
Hai
I'm trying to do a regular expression, which contains '
As far as I know, I have to backslash the ' but that gives me an error.
expr that returns the part of a string between (' '):
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(\(.*\)).*'
'hello'
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*('\(.*\)').*'
0
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(\'\(.*\)\').*'
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)'
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(''\(.*\)'').*'
'hello'
$ expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : '.*(.\(.*\).).*'
hello
Anyone has an idea how to contain a single quote in the expression ?
I managed to work around this using just a point (last command above)
but I really want to check for the quote
tia
Steven
Double quoting the regexp will do it:
expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : .*('\(.*\)').*
Adolfo
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Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I thought it was related to supermount but I can't remember: was supermount in 8.2 already? Yes. A related question: Is there a doc somewhere on putting a boot-floppy on CD or IOW: making a special bootable rescue/install CD? These may help: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.11 http://www.cdpage.com/Compact_Disc_Variations/danaboot.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rourke Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] regular expressions with quotes
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 17:24, Adolfo Bello wrote:
Double quoting the regexp will do it:
expr dag('hello')goodafternoon : .*('\(.*\)').*
Adolfo
works. Stupid me didn't think of it...
Thanks!
Steven
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Re: [expert] weird cdrom problem
On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:51, James Sparenberg wrote: 3 Upgrade to 2.4.19-32mdk (the latest kernel for 9.0) it works much nicer. James Where do you find kernel updates for 9.0? When I run Mandrake Update I never see any Kernel updates... -- If it's not on fire, it's a software problem. Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cfs-tech.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Running updatedb crashes my comp!
On Sunday June 15 2003 07:52 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 07:58 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: 'locate -u' == 'updatedb'Sorry I must'a missed the part where you've had this problem even after a fresh install. You could try 'bonnie++' to see if your drive(s) are behaving up to par. Should be on your CD's. No problem - I tend to ramble when facing seemingly insurmountable and unsolvable problems! grin I'll try that - I've used bonnie before, thats a pretty good piece of software. One more thought, tho I think the suggestions you've gotten to check the filesystem are probly better ... take a look at /etc/updatedb.conf and see if it isn't corrupted or incomplete. Here's mine: tom$ cat /etc/updatedb.conf ## Linux-Mandrake configuration. # # Originally written by Chmouel Boudjnah [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Modified 20010109 by Francis Galiegue [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Fixes by [EMAIL PROTECTED], 20010328 # Where to start. FROM=/ # Which directories to exclude. /home and /root are excluded for privacy, but # YMMV PRUNEPATHS=/proc,/tmp,/var/tmp,/usr/tmp,/net,/afs,/mnt # Security level : # 0 turns security checks off. This will make searchs faster. # 1 turns security checks on. This is the default. SECURITY=1 # Be verbose or no. VERBOSE=NO # Where the database is located. DATABASE=/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db # Which filesystems do we exclude from search? PRUNEFS=nfs,smbfs,ncpfs,proc,devpts,supermount,vfat,iso9660,udf,usbdevfs,devfs -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 07:40, stefmit wrote: ... no different than what is done with Apache... the compile-from-source package puts everything related to foobar in /usr/local/foobar because that's where it is expected. The came-with-the-OS package (or contrib in this case) puts all configuration in /etc, all logs in /var, all libraries in /usr/lib, etc. That's the way distros are. If you don't want to do it that way, then download the source from nagios.org and configure it, then make rpm. Sure - wish you were right ... you probably missed the other part of the email: I WANTED to use nagios from the source (i.e. 1.1), as it was fixed for a couple of things. But the www part won't install ... guess why? Because of some libraries problems, which ... and here I can start all over again with my original email ... You were probably missing gd-devel -- there's some weirdness there with Mandrake's RPM-naming scheme (foobar1-0.3.i586.rpm vs. foobar-1.0.3.i586.rpm). I guess the question still is: when you NEED a specific library, and ln -s -ing with existing one won't work, WHAT are you doing? ... what are you doing? Installing from RPM or installing from source? If installing from source, having the binary library available as any name doesn't do you diddly, you have to have the headers from the -devel rpm. If installing from RPM and having dependencies problem, realize that the rpm tool doesn't look at your filesystem, it looks in its database. Hence the --nodeps I recommended earlier -- you've already made things so that they ought to work, so you need to override the old information in the rpm database. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... http://www.monkeynoodle.org/resume.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wanted to try wine
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:01, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 12:37, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 16:22, Jason Guidry wrote: Piero Piutti wrote: Do you know if the cvs works fine as well? I'm working on it, I'll report back on how it goes Just tried Transgaming with a couple of kid games, no success. They both install okay, but neither runs. Arthur's Wilderness Adventure Rescue Heroes Hurricane Havoc. Will take this to the Transgaming list of course, but thought I'd bring it up in light of recent threads :-) What Transgaming list? I thought there were only forums on the Transgaming site. Is there a list? --LX turns out it's only forums. Lame, lame, lame. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... http://www.monkeynoodle.org/resume.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:14 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 For this one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmf libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-lib c6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmq --sources dockingstation /dockingstation-195.64-1.i386.rpm When I get this sort of output, it means the package is on a Club source and I have to be root to see the full url, which includes a password. If you are not a Club member, you could try searching on dockingstation or the library at rpmfind.net. Rolf [..] Thank you for your suggestion. I know this may solve one spcific problem, but I not only mentioned a couple of programs, but rather was very much interested in resolving library issues in general. If the only solution would be to install every time another program (or others) which MAY be bundled with the missing library(ies) for the ones I need, then it sounds very ... Microsoft-like (install IE to be able to run dir ... ;)). There has to be a better way ... I hope ... Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] updatedb prob
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 10:47, Brian V Bonini wrote: What's going on here? # updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 15907 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY Not running as root? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Make xconfig doesn't work in new kernel
On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:09 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I've had no problems at all. Are you all sure you are first running make mrproper? Yes, I ran mrproper. I'm going to try and reinstall it again tonight and see if it was something that got borked in the patching process (I applied the win4lin patches). -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
On Sunday 15 June 2003 11:28 am, Jack Coates wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 07:40, stefmit wrote: ... no different than what is done with Apache... the compile-from-source package puts everything related to foobar in /usr/local/foobar because that's where it is expected. The came-with-the-OS package (or contrib in this case) puts all configuration in /etc, all logs in /var, all libraries in /usr/lib, etc. That's the way distros are. If you don't want to do it that way, then download the source from nagios.org and configure it, then make rpm. Sure - wish you were right ... you probably missed the other part of the email: I WANTED to use nagios from the source (i.e. 1.1), as it was fixed for a couple of things. But the www part won't install ... guess why? Because of some libraries problems, which ... and here I can start all over again with my original email ... You were probably missing gd-devel -- there's some weirdness there with Mandrake's RPM-naming scheme (foobar1-0.3.i586.rpm vs. foobar-1.0.3.i586.rpm). And ...?!? Some weirdness is what I discovered throughout - nothing new there. I guess the question still is: when you NEED a specific library, and ln -s -ing with existing one won't work, WHAT are you doing? ... what are you doing? Installing from RPM or installing from source? If installing from source, having the binary library available as any name doesn't do you diddly, you have to have the headers from the -devel rpm. If installing from RPM and having dependencies problem, realize that the rpm tool doesn't look at your filesystem, it looks in its database. Hence the --nodeps I recommended earlier -- you've already made things so that they ought to work, so you need to override the old information in the rpm database. Both! For example: #urpmi --allow-nodeps qtopia_bla_bla installs fine ... but won't run! Having it installed only was not the final objective, though. I would have liked to use it. As someone else pointed out earlier (find libraries in other programs, and install those, in the hope of getting the missing libs), I found it faster this time to run W2K in VMWare (which was there for other reasons - i.e. quicken), and run qtopia within. The d**n thing runs flawlessly inside windows, so I got that one fixed. Now I have to try nagios 1.1 the same way, and I could potentially end up with an awesome MDK9.1, running only VMWare, with W2K inside, running all the programs MDK can't run ... am I missing something here ;) ?!? All in all - I remember the days of Slackware or even Redhat, four-five years ago , when every freaking thing I tried could run, and libraries of different versions could live alongside each other. Now they won't even install ;( Thanks for all the good hints, though ... Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
stefmit wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:14 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 For this one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmf libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-lib c6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmq --sources dockingstation /dockingstation-195.64-1.i386.rpm When I get this sort of output, it means the package is on a Club source and I have to be root to see the full url, which includes a password. If you are not a Club member, you could try searching on dockingstation or the library at rpmfind.net. Rolf [..] Thank you for your suggestion. I know this may solve one spcific problem, but I not only mentioned a couple of programs, but rather was very much interested in resolving library issues in general. If the only solution would be to install every time another program (or others) which MAY be bundled with the missing library(ies) for the ones I need, then it sounds very ... Microsoft-like (install IE to be able to run dir ... ;)). There has to be a better way ... I hope ... Stef So far as I can see, qtopia-desktop is not provided by Mandrake. If that is the case, it would be fortuitous that a Mandrake (Club) package would provide the library you needed for it. Urpmi can only know about what has been configured as its sources. It works well for what Mandrake provides and what you can add to it. Mandrake cannot be expected to anticipate the requirements of every possible third-party program. The only other issue you cited, AFAICT, is that Mandrake's package of nagios puts files in more than one directory: # rpm -qpl /backup/contrib/nagios-1.0b6-1mdk.i586.rpm /etc/nagios /etc/nagios/cgi.cfg /etc/nagios/checkcommands.cfg /etc/nagios/contactgroups.cfg /etc/nagios/contacts.cfg /etc/nagios/dependencies.cfg /etc/nagios/escalations.cfg /etc/nagios/hostgroups.cfg /etc/nagios/hosts.cfg /etc/nagios/misccommands.cfg /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg /etc/nagios/resource.cfg /etc/nagios/services.cfg /etc/nagios/timeperiods.cfg /etc/rc.d/init.d/nagios /usr/lib/nagios/plugins /usr/sbin/nagios /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6 /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/Changelog /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/INSTALLING /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/LEGAL /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/README /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/UPGRADING /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/htaccess.sample /var/log/nagios /var/log/nagios/archives I am not sure what you are comparing to but this list does not seem inconsistent with the typical Mandrake package, which should strive to comply with LSB, which invokes FHS2.2: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/ Different entities have different interpretations/levels of interest in complying with LSB, so you will have to deal with these inconsistencies. Furthermore, contrib/ are considered unsupported, so, with all the other concerns Mandrake has, I doubt that complaints about contrib/ packages will receive a high priority. There is no comparison to Windows. Linux is not Windows. What works in Windows is, usually, irrelevant. You should put some effort into learning how Mandrake works before you try to re-invent the wheel, IMO. Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 1:49 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:35 am, stefmit wrote: Stef, you'll find a thread I started on this subject on the newbie list. To cut to the chase - there was no answer. Others users seem to be able to do it just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. It's a real oddity. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and you have to use that extra step Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
Actually I think he has got a point and everybody misunderstood him. IMHO he wasn't bashing Mandrake, but merely stating a Linux general problem. The libraries and dependencies thing is linux is really a big PITA. Each time I want to install something which is not in my standard distro I have to go through the pains of hell for searching for dependencies. As far as urpmi is concerned it does a great job, but since it cannot resolve dependencies outside the mdk distro, it doesn't help much. I hate Winblows and still dream of the day when I could totally switch to linux, but linux is not making things very easy for us who want to switch to it. In winblows I don't have to give a rats ass about dependencies. Most programs come with the needed library statically binded or depends on libraries which are already in the distros of about 5 major types of winblows on the use at this time. Let me try to depict the Linux problem in clear: 1. Linux exists in a huge load of distro's and no real standard here. LSB or not, you will have real pains in trying to install even between 2 distro's which should represent same branch of development on the major packages/apps. 2. Except few things there are still enough of the major libs which are not backwards compatible. Frequent install scenarios involve installing a newer lib as you need them for a new app and the lib changes some of the main links in your distro and breaks up a lot of other apps who stupidly refuse to run with updated libs. 3. BTW... Rethoric question: Who was the %$/ who hardcoded apps to not even try to run if the lib version mismatch?!? Ffs. Even if I got a 15% chance to succesfully run the app, let me do it. Warn me and let me decide if I want to experience a crash or kernel panic... :/ 4. With linux all the apps which are beyond the basic console editing (or at least most of them) is a hit and miss thing to install Oh well... My rant could continue, but I am tired and have to take a shower. Anyway, don't get me wrong. I am not bashing linux, I am just stating my frustration with linux. I've been working with it for the last 2 years on a constant base and at home I use it as firewall and application server, but for my desktop no go. When it's not a missing driver problem, there is a mismatching library, missing kernel patch, a dumb app who refuses even to try to start with new library, hours of search on the net to try and figure a long chain of dependencies... Thank God I am stubborn and don't give up easily. I curse linux every day, but don't want to give up. Still it would be nice if I could use more time with my needed apps instead of most of my free time to try to get them work... Best regards, Adrian P.S. I am a Mandrake Linux Club member and proud of it. :) - Original Message - From: Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK) stefmit wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:14 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 For this one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmf libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-li b c6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmq --sources dockingstation /dockingstation-195.64-1.i386.rpm When I get this sort of output, it means the package is on a Club source and I have to be root to see the full url, which includes a password. If you are not a Club member, you could try searching on dockingstation or the library at rpmfind.net. Rolf [..] Thank you for your suggestion. I know this may solve one spcific problem, but I not only mentioned a couple of programs, but rather was very much interested in resolving library issues in general. If the only solution would be to install every time another program (or others) which MAY be bundled with the missing library(ies) for the ones I need, then it sounds very ... Microsoft-like (install IE to be able to run dir ... ;)). There has to be a better way ... I hope ... Stef So far as I can see, qtopia-desktop is not provided by Mandrake. If that is the case, it would be fortuitous that a Mandrake (Club) package would provide the library you needed for it. Urpmi can
[expert] laptop install XF86 prob
Hi getting a problem on a install to my laptop,Toshiba 4000CDS, its an old clunker but still useful. XFdrake sets up for flat panel 800x600 and res of 800x600, but on test always reverts to 600x400. On install of MDK9.1 the screen res is OK so it looks like the default svga driver is OK. can some one help with where in XF86-4.conf I need to make the alteration to use the svga driver thats used in the install.. Tnx Richard -- richard bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Batch bookmarks conversion Konqueror - Mozilla
Keditbookmarks can convert konqueror bookmarks from and to Mozilla. Is there a way to access these fonctions from a shell script ? With DCOP ? -- Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
030615 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
** Anne Wilson (Sonntag, 15. Juni 2003 11:28)
I don't know what causes it, but it's not new.
I had the same problem in 8.2.
I thought it was related to supermount but I can't remember:
was supermount in 8.2 already?
i just made a 9.1 boot diskette using a blank preformatted disk
following the instructions on the Mdk mirror ('dd if... of... ').
AFAIK i'm not using supermount: i normally use 'mdir' etc or a GUI front-end.
Is there a doc somewhere on putting a boot-floppy on CD or IOW:
making a special bootable rescue/install CD?
Mdk CD1's nowadays cb used as rescue media asis.
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Re: [expert] weird cdrom problem
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:17, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:51, James Sparenberg wrote: 3 Upgrade to 2.4.19-32mdk (the latest kernel for 9.0) it works much nicer. James Where do you find kernel updates for 9.0? When I run Mandrake Update I never see any Kernel updates... They get visually and physically excluded because they are kernels and need to be installed not upgraded. Do, urpmi --update kernel from a command line and it will properly install the kernel, it should be something like 2419-32 in your lilo.conf by name... then reboot... kernels because of their nature can only be done explicitly not passively like all the other rpms. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Make xconfig doesn't work in new kernel
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:44, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:09 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: I've had no problems at all. Are you all sure you are first running make mrproper? Yes, I ran mrproper. I'm going to try and reinstall it again tonight and see if it was something that got borked in the patching process (I applied the win4lin patches). Greg, I've had similar lack of luck with the win4lin patches... they seem to go in ok but for some reason it isn't working right. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 13:13, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: ... 1. Linux exists in a huge load of distro's and no real standard here. LSB or not, you will have real pains in trying to install even between 2 distro's which should represent same branch of development on the major packages/apps. 2. Except few things there are still enough of the major libs which are not backwards compatible. Frequent install scenarios involve installing a newer lib as you need them for a new app and the lib changes some of the main links in your distro and breaks up a lot of other apps who stupidly refuse to run with updated libs. 3. BTW... Rethoric question: Who was the %$/ who hardcoded apps to not even try to run if the lib version mismatch?!? Ffs. Even if I got a 15% chance to succesfully run the app, let me do it. Warn me and let me decide if I want to experience a crash or kernel panic... :/ 4. With linux all the apps which are beyond the basic console editing (or at least most of them) is a hit and miss thing to install all fairly accurate and I've run into all the same problems. I've also consistently steered away from the OS's that solve them because I dislike their vertically integrated command-and-control way of doing things. Linux's problems are caused by the very things that make it so strong. Oh well... My rant could continue, but I am tired and have to take a shower. Anyway, don't get me wrong. I am not bashing linux, I am just stating my frustration with linux. I've been working with it for the last 2 years on a constant base and at home I use it as firewall and application server, but for my desktop no go. When it's not a missing driver problem, there is a mismatching library, missing kernel patch, a dumb app who refuses even to try to start with new library, hours of search on the net to try and figure a long chain of dependencies... Thank God I am stubborn and don't give up easily. I curse linux every day, but don't want to give up. Still it would be nice if I could use more time with my needed apps instead of most of my free time to try to get them work... Best regards, Adrian P.S. I am a Mandrake Linux Club member and proud of it. :) - Original Message - From: Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK) stefmit wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:14 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 For this one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmf libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-li b c6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmq --sources dockingstation /dockingstation-195.64-1.i386.rpm When I get this sort of output, it means the package is on a Club source and I have to be root to see the full url, which includes a password. If you are not a Club member, you could try searching on dockingstation or the library at rpmfind.net. Rolf [..] Thank you for your suggestion. I know this may solve one spcific problem, but I not only mentioned a couple of programs, but rather was very much interested in resolving library issues in general. If the only solution would be to install every time another program (or others) which MAY be bundled with the missing library(ies) for the ones I need, then it sounds very ... Microsoft-like (install IE to be able to run dir ... ;)). There has to be a better way ... I hope ... Stef So far as I can see, qtopia-desktop is not provided by Mandrake. If that is the case, it would be fortuitous that a Mandrake (Club) package would provide the library you needed for it. Urpmi can only know about what has been configured as its sources. It works well for what Mandrake provides and what you can add to it. Mandrake cannot be expected to anticipate the requirements of every possible third-party program. The only other issue you cited, AFAICT, is that Mandrake's package of nagios puts files in more than one directory: # rpm -qpl /backup/contrib/nagios-1.0b6-1mdk.i586.rpm /etc/nagios /etc/nagios/cgi.cfg /etc/nagios/checkcommands.cfg
Re: [expert] Make xconfig doesn't work in new kernel
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 02:27, Joerg Mertin wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 20:52, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 11:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: I've had this for a while on all kernels with my hardware. I just vi .config and search for asm or ASM every time I find it I comment the line out with a #. Then it compiles. Seems that ASM can only compile on boxes that need/use it I guess. OR there is something else that needs a yes or module that isn't obvious. I got it done by using make oldconfig, but I suppose it should work. I also just got dumped out of menuconfig when I tried to enter the ALSA configuration. I suppose I should report both of these to vdanen. xconfig works ok if you can use it. Talking about Alsa, you can download the new alsa 0.9.4 drivers if you want. Just make sure - during compile time you disable the verbose-printk with ./configure --disable-verbose-printk if not - you'll get failed dependencies on snd.o which makes the entire soundsystem unusable. Cheers Joerg Since valuable info like this needs to be captured I started a new section in the HowTo's on the Twiki... called Tips and Tricks. It's at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/TipsAndTricks With the object of allowing anyone who sees something they think is really neat and or usefull to put it in the twiki, The idea is that sometimes our suggestions result in a fix that is really a combination of suggestions. If this happens it would be real nice to capture. I'm hoping by setting it up ... then doing it a little myself to promote more people to put what worked in a place it can be researched. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 03:15, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ** Anne Wilson (Sonntag, 15. Juni 2003 11:28) On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 11:37 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Mine does this on occasion... I have to unmount the floppy then mkdosfs /dev/fd0 then use the tool and suddenly the floppy is the right size... I don't understand... it just worked. I don't know what causes it, but it's not new. I had the same problem in 8.2. I thought it was related to supermount but I can't remember: was supermount in 8.2 already? A related question: Is there a doc somewhere on putting a boot-floppy on CD or IOW: making a special bootable rescue/install CD? wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] alphabetizing / sorting seems screwy
Hi Folks, Is there any way to set the default linux alphanumeric order? I can't remember from my unix days anymore, but the last several years i have happily placed _ at the beginning of filenames and directories i wanted to show up first. But that doesn't work. I have noticed it even ignores _'s in the middle of a word. And didn't files that started with . show up first, too? I have this problem with lots of apps (galeon, rox, xterms, etc). Is there any way around it? Thanks, eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] weird cdrom problem
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 15:41, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:17, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:51, James Sparenberg wrote: 3 Upgrade to 2.4.19-32mdk (the latest kernel for 9.0) it works much nicer. James Where do you find kernel updates for 9.0? When I run Mandrake Update I never see any Kernel updates... They get visually and physically excluded because they are kernels and need to be installed not upgraded. Do, urpmi --update kernel from a command line and it will properly install the kernel, it should be something like 2419-32 in your lilo.conf by name... then reboot... kernels because of their nature can only be done explicitly not passively like all the other rpms. Thanks for the info. Before I got your post I did some digging around on the Mandrake site and came across this page. http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/kernelupdate.php It said to do - urpmi kernel-2.4.19.32mdk It installed the kernel and after a reboot: uname -a indicates that it is the running kernel. Does urpmi --update kernel do anything different? -- Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 03:15, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ** Anne Wilson (Sonntag, 15. Juni 2003 11:28) On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 11:37 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Mine does this on occasion... I have to unmount the floppy then mkdosfs /dev/fd0 then use the tool and suddenly the floppy is the right size... I don't understand... it just worked. I don't know what causes it, but it's not new. I had the same problem in 8.2. I thought it was related to supermount but I can't remember: was supermount in 8.2 already? A related question: Is there a doc somewhere on putting a boot-floppy on CD or IOW: making a special bootable rescue/install CD? wobo Ok,,, now that I've sent a totally blank reply how about one that has some content. I had to do this recently because I needed to update bios on a motherboard that doesn't have a floppy controler. (I sent the manf a little note about, why do they give out a floppy img for BIOS upgrades to a mobo that can't do floppies, and I got back an ooops reply.) What I did was this. Create an empty working directory and cd into it. dd if=/dev/zero of=file.img bs=1k count=1440 (this creates an image that we will use to do the bootable CD.) mkdosfs file.img (or whatever you called it above.) mount -o loop file.img /mnt/img Now you have a mounted dos image of an empty dos floppy ... to verify size you can do df -h and you'll see it 1.4 megs in size. put your bootable floppy in a floppy drive and do cp /mnt/floppy/* /mnt/img/ Now your image and floppy are identical.. then umount /mnt/img (not really needed but ) cd to the directory with file.img and do mkisofs -r -b file.img -c boot.cat -o mybootablecd.iso . Note that the above line ends with a dot ... this is important because it tells mkisofs to start here. then just burn mybootablecd.iso to a cd and you are off and running... you can even put more software than the boot image on the cd just by adding it to the directory you are in when you boot the cd. (although this will require that your boot disk understand what in the heck a cdrom drive is so that it can be mounted.) As for the second. I've two preferences for rescue disks. lnxbbc (50 megs with X!) or for heavy work Knoppix. Don't know of a single rescue system using anything but debian or slack.. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] updatedb prob
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 12:37, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 10:47, Brian V Bonini wrote: What's going on here? # updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 15907 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY Not running as root? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] brian]# updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 16857 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Coreldraw files to?
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 01:53, Francisco Alcaraz wrote: James, Also problem to compile; I have the libs that the the programe need (mentioned in the INSTALL file): [EMAIL PROTECTED] gfXcon_0.3]# make g++ -c misc.c misc.c:38:20: Imlib2.h: No such file or directory misc.c: In function `void init(Display**, Visual**, Screen**, Window*)': misc.c:63: `imlib_context_set_display' undeclared (first use this function) misc.c:63: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) misc.c:64: `imlib_context_set_visual' undeclared (first use this function) misc.c:65: `imlib_context_set_colormap' undeclared (first use this function) misc.c:66: `imlib_context_set_drawable' undeclared (first use this function) make: *** [misc] Error 1 ¿Any ideas? Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Murcia, España (Spain) I'm assuming you tried the gimp... h How about http://download.com.com/3120-20-0-1-0.html?qt=Corelauthor=titlename=desc=dlcount=daysback=swlink=os=30li=dlsize=ca= It's Corel Phot-Paint for Linux... free but still closed source. large to download... but easier than building a winders box. The rpm is 91megs. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] alphabetizing / sorting seems screwy
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 17:44, eric huff wrote: Hi Folks, Is there any way to set the default linux alphanumeric order? I can't remember from my unix days anymore, but the last several years i have happily placed _ at the beginning of filenames and directories i wanted to show up first. But that doesn't work. I have noticed it even ignores _'s in the middle of a word. And didn't files that started with . show up first, too? I have this problem with lots of apps (galeon, rox, xterms, etc). It's probably a function of your LANG variable. What is it set to now? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] updatedb prob
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 18:09, Brian V Bonini wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] brian]# updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 16857 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY A thread a while back mentioned that some functions are disabled because of msec. This applied to remote logins then su'ing over to root. The workaround was to login directly as the root user. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] weird cdrom problem
On Sunday June 15 2003 04:47 pm, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: Does urpmi --update kernel do anything different? Look in /etc/urpmi/inst.list ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Batch bookmarks conversion Konqueror - Mozilla
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 13:35, BOURDEU d'AGUERRE Philippe wrote: Keditbookmarks can convert konqueror bookmarks from and to Mozilla. Is there a way to access these fonctions from a shell script ? With DCOP ? Don't know the answer but I know a path to find it. Run kdcop from the command line (it's part of kdebase) it is a searchable database so to speak of dcop commands for the command line. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] updatedb prob
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 15:09, Brian V Bonini wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 12:37, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 10:47, Brian V Bonini wrote: What's going on here? # updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 15907 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY Not running as root? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] brian]# updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 16857 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY Ok this is now 2 people with problems in this area but I'm not sure if they are connected... Dark, Does any of this look familiar to you? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 06:48, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:35 am, stefmit wrote: Very weird situation - didn't pay much attention to it, until now, when - due to some immediate needs to resolve some issues via email - it seems to go beyond a simple nuisance level: I can highlight (thus copy) anything from any window, and then paste by mid-click-ing (does this sound winblowz-like, or what ? ;( ), except from a terminal window (eterm, to be more specific) to kmail, where I need to go through nedit, for example (i.e. I highlight what I need copied from eterm -- paste into nedit -- highlight in nedit -- paste into kmail). Winmgr used: IceWM. Has anybody experienced this? My hope is to upgrade IceWM, to see if this changes behavior ... reason for another email of mine, in regards to how to do this clean for the urpmi database... TIA, Stef Stef, you'll find a thread I started on this subject on the newbie list. To cut to the chase - there was no answer. Others users seem to be able to do it just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. I'd like to add something to this, if I may. During the 9.1 development cycle, I took the time to download the cooker edition of 9.1 and was testing it in a work environment. I found the problem you gentlemen are discussing above and then went to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com where I posted a bugreport to Bugzilla concerning it. It was not addressed, and went unfixed. So Darklord, there's alot I'm not saying here that could be said offlist. --LX And a lot your not saying here that you did (righteously) say then Ice in 9.1 is IMHO hosed. I moved back to the 9.0 rpms and it all began to work right. Then put ICE into the skiplist for urpmi. I had my own bugs but they also got ignored *sigh* BUT the 9.0 rpms work just fine on 9.1 if anyone is interested. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] updatedb prob
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 18:15, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 18:09, Brian V Bonini wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] brian]# updatedb /usr/bin/updatedb: line 13: 16857 Broken pipe /usr/bin/slocate -c -u -l$SECURITY A thread a while back mentioned that some functions are disabled because of msec. This applied to remote logins then su'ing over to root. The workaround was to login directly as the root user. I rebooted the machine and ran it again just as before with no problems. That's a little too 'Windows-like' for my comfort... ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 05:27, stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 I have tried everything one can imagine, in regards to previously posted advices, from creating symlinks to existing libs, to modifying /etc/ld.so.conf, to rerunning ldconfig ... etc. I almost envy winblows users now, who can install multiple versions of dll-s in the directories of the executables, and they run programs fine. I have been trying to keep the system urpmi database friendly, but this way I won't be able to install different libraries, as installing the ones I need, from source, would probably have undesired effects. What are you - people - doing with the programs requiring different libraries than what MDK provides? Or are you using only MDK packaged programs? I usually build from source rpm failing that source code. The problem you are having is because libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is a pretty old program and the developer that did qtopia hasn't provided a newer product. egcs-c++ provided it on 9.0 but supposedly the src rpm won't build on 9.1. Now yes it (qtopia) could be repackaged with this lib included. OR you can do this, find it on another box. Then ftp it down and move it to /usr/local/lib/mylibs/. (make sure you get all symlinks etc so that it looks just like it did on it's originating box. Then edit ld.so.conf and add the line (at the very end) /usr/local/lib/mylibs then re-run ldconfig At this point this lib should now be available to your box. NOTE Don't ever do this with glibc libs. All kinds of funky things happen if you do... none of them are good. James Another perfect example of something needed, but impossible to install in MDK9.1: nagios 1.1 (the www part), which - yet again - cannot install because of the same issue of libraries (and - by the way - the packagers from MDK decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which TIA, Stef P.S. Speaking of nagios - the person who contributed the nagios packag for MDK9.1 decided - for some weird reasons - to have the nagios 1.0 install all over the place, vs. the docs provided with the source, which are based on a /usr/local/nagios consolidated directory install. I spent almost a week adjusting all config files to take into account the new placement, MDK9.1 specific, and I (hope) documented everything. If anybody is interested, I can clean the docs up and send them over. What a PITA that was!!! __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] weird cdrom problem
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 14:47, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 15:41, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:17, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-14 at 22:51, James Sparenberg wrote: 3 Upgrade to 2.4.19-32mdk (the latest kernel for 9.0) it works much nicer. James Where do you find kernel updates for 9.0? When I run Mandrake Update I never see any Kernel updates... They get visually and physically excluded because they are kernels and need to be installed not upgraded. Do, urpmi --update kernel from a command line and it will properly install the kernel, it should be something like 2419-32 in your lilo.conf by name... then reboot... kernels because of their nature can only be done explicitly not passively like all the other rpms. Thanks for the info. Before I got your post I did some digging around on the Mandrake site and came across this page. http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/kernelupdate.php It said to do - urpmi kernel-2.4.19.32mdk It installed the kernel and after a reboot: uname -a indicates that it is the running kernel. Does urpmi --update kernel do anything different? Not really but if you have a large urpmi database it finds it faster cause it only looks in the update section. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Coreldraw files to?
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 16:37, Pierre Fortin wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 15:07:02 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming you tried the gimp... h Doesn't support Corel's proprietary format. How about http://download.com.com/3120-20-0-1-0.html?qt=Corelauthor=titlename=desc=dlcount=daysback=swlink=os=30li=dlsize=ca= It's Corel Phot-Paint for Linux... free but still closed source. large to download... but easier than building a winders box. The rpm is 91megs. From that site... * PsychoBudgie wrote (15-May-2003 11:50:09 AM): * It doesn't seem to be available anymore * It would appear that Corel has pulled it. * Shame. I used to like Corel too. Looks like Corel formats are now about as useful as an 8 floppy... I'd laugh if it wasn't so true. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Acrobat Reader installation fails
Hi Per-Olof, I'm a bit late on this thread, and was expecting someone else to suggest this, but not seeing it: Have you tried installing the ed package? I ran into the same problem, and, after installing ed, it worked perfectly. My system shows that ed-0.2-29mdk is now installed. Brian. From: Per-Olof Litby (Reg'l Mgr - Java Web Services - Nordic/Baltic - Sun Microsystems) Greetings, I've attempted to install Acrobat Reader on my 9.1 system, and I get the following error - apparently the installer expects to use a command that isn't available. See below. Can anyone help out? Enter installation directory for Acrobat 5.0.5 [/usr/local/Acrobat5] Installing platform independent files ... Done Installing platform dependent files ... Done ./INSTALL: line 219: ed: command not found ERROR installing /usr/local/Acrobat5/bin/acroread _ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] per-directory umask
Resend (june 4th) What I basically need is: - a shared directory for users in a group - Access to own files - No access to other files - Access to all files for user apache I now I can use their homedirs in apache, but I would like to do this in one directory if possible. Anyone who can help me please ? Steven Original message: Is it possible to set a umask for a specific directory ? I want to give some users personal access to the www-directory. They should have the right to manage their own files, but not the files of others. User apache has to have (full?) access on the files. I've set the sticky and SGID bits for the www-directory. (which is owned by apache) But people still can alter files from other people. Only deletion is not permitted, but what about reading and writing from/to the files ? This should be done on the local machine, I'm not talking about FTP-settings. Only things about filesecurity I knew until now where the basic settings, so this is all kinda new for me. If anyone can/want to give me some explination, advice and/or nice examples, or a very clear website which covers it all... ? Greetings Steven Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] alphabetizing / sorting seems screwy
On Sunday 15 June 2003 03:13 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 17:44, eric huff wrote: Hi Folks, Is there any way to set the default linux alphanumeric order? I can't remember from my unix days anymore, but the last several years i have happily placed _ at the beginning of filenames and directories i wanted to show up first. But that doesn't work. I have noticed it even ignores _'s in the middle of a word. And didn't files that started with . show up first, too? I have this problem with lots of apps (galeon, rox, xterms, etc). It's probably a function of your LANG variable. What is it set to now? [EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ echo $LANG en_US Since i hadn't thought of that at all, i googled LANG sort environment and you're on the right track. I have to run off, but later i will look into a few of these links. Hopefully there is a way to change some of these variables. It looks like LC_COLLATE might help... Thanks for the tip. eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This also illustrates a problem with depending on urpmi for anything from outside the Mandrake distro. If you use urpmi it will crap out and not be able to handle it if you try to install a non-native rpm. In such a case, you may have to rely on plain old rpm -Uvh --nodeps your desired rpm (or you can use -ivh). Perhaps better still, when possible, is to use rpm - --rebuild on a source rpm. This often results in failures because the Makefile/software creator expects/expected a different lib naming convention than that of Mandrake. You may have to do a bunch of symlinks or hope there is a static-build of your desired rpm. Often you will actually have the libs an rpm is complaining about not finding, but it is merely that Mandrake has a different naming convention than what the binary expects. This would be one area in particular that linux should standardize on - a single naming convention for different libs, etc, so that no matter what, a software package will always look for the same thing regardless of distro (it is annoying when an rpm complains about not finding tiff-devel when you HAVE it installed, but it is called libtiff-devel on your system). praedor On Sunday 15 June 2003 03:13 pm, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Actually I think he has got a point and everybody misunderstood him. IMHO he wasn't bashing Mandrake, but merely stating a Linux general problem. The libraries and dependencies thing is linux is really a big PITA. Each time I want to install something which is not in my standard distro I have to go through the pains of hell for searching for dependencies. As far as urpmi is concerned it does a great job, but since it cannot resolve dependencies outside the mdk distro, it doesn't help much. I hate Winblows and still dream of the day when I could totally switch to linux, but linux is not making things very easy for us who want to switch to it. In winblows I don't have to give a rats ass about dependencies. Most programs come with the needed library statically binded or depends on libraries which are already in the distros of about 5 major types of winblows on the use at this time. Let me try to depict the Linux problem in clear: 1. Linux exists in a huge load of distro's and no real standard here. LSB or not, you will have real pains in trying to install even between 2 distro's which should represent same branch of development on the major packages/apps. 2. Except few things there are still enough of the major libs which are not backwards compatible. Frequent install scenarios involve installing a newer lib as you need them for a new app and the lib changes some of the main links in your distro and breaks up a lot of other apps who stupidly refuse to run with updated libs. 3. BTW... Rethoric question: Who was the %$/ who hardcoded apps to not even try to run if the lib version mismatch?!? Ffs. Even if I got a 15% chance to succesfully run the app, let me do it. Warn me and let me decide if I want to experience a crash or kernel panic... :/ 4. With linux all the apps which are beyond the basic console editing (or at least most of them) is a hit and miss thing to install Oh well... My rant could continue, but I am tired and have to take a shower. Anyway, don't get me wrong. I am not bashing linux, I am just stating my frustration with linux. I've been working with it for the last 2 years on a constant base and at home I use it as firewall and application server, but for my desktop no go. When it's not a missing driver problem, there is a mismatching library, missing kernel patch, a dumb app who refuses even to try to start with new library, hours of search on the net to try and figure a long chain of dependencies... Thank God I am stubborn and don't give up easily. I curse linux every day, but don't want to give up. Still it would be nice if I could use more time with my needed apps instead of most of my free time to try to get them work... Best regards, Adrian P.S. I am a Mandrake Linux Club member and proud of it. :) - Original Message - From: Rolf Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK) stefmit wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:14 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation
Re: [expert] per-directory umask
On Sunday 15 June 2003 08:48 pm, Steven Broos wrote: Resend (june 4th) What I basically need is: - a shared directory for users in a group - Access to own files - No access to other files - Access to all files for user apache I now I can use their homedirs in apache, but I would like to do this in one directory if possible. Anyone who can help me please ? How about this? Does anybiody else see how this would not work for you? Directory owned by apache with group ownership consituting a group made up of your users with permissions 775. Have all files owned by user apache so that apache has full access. Then have the group ownership be the user group since each user has his/her own group, in my case the greg group, thus giving me full access to the files you want me to edit, and then set permission to 664 so it would look something like this: www-dir user=apache group=www-users rwxrwxr-x user1file user=apache group=user1 rw-rw-r-- user2file user=apache group=user2 rw-rw-r-- apache has fullread/write access to both files, as long as user1 is not in the apache group, s/he only has read/write access to their own files, same for user2. All users have the ability to view the files. I assume this is okay because they could browse to them on the intranet. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copy/paste between eterm and kmail not working
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 18:31, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 06:48, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 08:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: just fine, but I can't either. I can use Klipper by highlighting what I need in Eterm, then go to Klipper, click on that entry, go to where I want it, and paste it there. Its an extra step, but I don't know why its like that for some of us but not for others. Just out of curiosity, are you using the download edition of 9.1? Thats what I'm using. I'm wondering maybe if its a diff. between the download edition and the boxed set? Never had this problem with the 9.0 boxed set. I'd like to add something to this, if I may. During the 9.1 development cycle, I took the time to download the cooker edition of 9.1 and was testing it in a work environment. I found the problem you gentlemen are discussing above and then went to http://qa.mandrakesoft.com where I posted a bugreport to Bugzilla concerning it. It was not addressed, and went unfixed. So Darklord, there's alot I'm not saying here that could be said offlist. --LX And a lot your not saying here that you did (righteously) say then Ice in 9.1 is IMHO hosed. I moved back to the 9.0 rpms and it all began to work right. Then put ICE into the skiplist for urpmi. I had my own bugs but they also got ignored *sigh* BUT the 9.0 rpms work just fine on 9.1 if anyone is interested. James Thanks alot for the nod, James! It's appreciated. Sometimes I wonder whether the content is being read or not, and it's times like this that I feel it was worth the effort to put into email. I think we both love the distro, but then we both have been around long enough to realize that if there are not some corrections made (by virtue of someone talking about the less than pleasant things) then we will find ourselves inside the event horizon of the black hole. Then it will be too late. Now is the time to be applying the thrusters to get some altitude. Only thing is you and I both have been slapping the throttle to no avail; I'm starting to think that there's something wrong with the hydraulics. And btw, who cut the wires to the warning lights, James? --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] alphabetizing / sorting seems screwy
Woohoo! export LC_COLLATE=POSIX does the trick. I googled before on sorting, alphabetizing, etc, and every thing i could pf, but there's just too many hits. Thanks for the lead Kwan! I put export LC_COLLATE=POSIX in .bash_profile so filemanagers (like rox) would get it and also in .bashrc (after /etc/bashrc gets run, since it sets it back) so xterms, etc wuld get it. Whoops: it's a little off. Heres the order: dot files numbers caps symbols lower case In rox, you have to choose either caps 1st (even before dots) or caps/lower the same. If i get inspired i'll poke around and see if there's an ASCII sorting setting, but i'm pretty happy with this. Thanks! eric On Sunday 15 June 2003 06:00 pm, eric huff wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 03:13 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 17:44, eric huff wrote: Hi Folks, Is there any way to set the default linux alphanumeric order? I can't remember from my unix days anymore, but the last several years i have happily placed _ at the beginning of filenames and directories i wanted to show up first. But that doesn't work. I have noticed it even ignores _'s in the middle of a word. And didn't files that started with . show up first, too? I have this problem with lots of apps (galeon, rox, xterms, etc). It's probably a function of your LANG variable. What is it set to now? [EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ echo $LANG en_US Since i hadn't thought of that at all, i googled LANG sort environment and you're on the right track. I have to run off, but later i will look into a few of these links. Hopefully there is a way to change some of these variables. It looks like LC_COLLATE might help... Thanks for the tip. eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
** James Sparenberg (Sonntag, 15. Juni 2003 23:56) Ok,,, now that I've sent a totally blank reply how about one that has some content. I read that with growing interest. :) [Good micro-howto saved] As for the second. I've two preferences for rescue disks. I already have a Knoppix CD but what I want to do is: A CD that can work as a rescue media for my installation and also can do as an installation CD containing only the apps and tools I have installed now. Kind of a individual installation CD. wobo -- Public GnuPG key available at http://www.wolf-b.de/misc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
TWiki [Re: [expert] Make xconfig doesn't work in new kernel]
On 15 Jun 2003 14:12:07 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since valuable info like this needs to be captured I started a new section in the HowTo's on the Twiki... called Tips and Tricks. It's at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/TipsAndTricks With the object of allowing anyone who sees something they think is really neat and or usefull to put it in the twiki, The idea is that sometimes our suggestions result in a fix that is really a combination of suggestions. If this happens it would be real nice to capture. I'm hoping by setting it up ... then doing it a little myself to promote more people to put what worked in a place it can be researched. James Hope my additions/stucture are useful... just a start... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Urpmi a non-Mandrake RPM package?
On Sunday 15 June 2003 04:55 am, stefmit wrote: Is it possible to #urpmi XYZ.rpm, where XYZ was not packaged for Mandrake, and a previous version of XYZ exists on the systems and is running? I am specifically interested in IceWM, which has a couple of updates beyond what MDK delivered with 9.1, and those are in RPM format, but not for MDK. I don't use urpmi for these sorts of files. I upload packages that are not designed for Mandrake, and check out their installation by rpm (rpm -ivh XYZ), which will tell you where the dependancies are. And if you think that it should work, you can rpm --nodeps XYZ to force the installation, then check out how it works, and if it doesn't back out with rpm -e XYZ. But I work this out totally manually, so that *I* am in full control of what is going on. -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
On Sunday 15 June 2003 03:13 pm, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Actually I think he has got a point and everybody misunderstood him. IMHO he wasn't bashing Mandrake, but merely stating a Linux general problem. The libraries and dependencies thing is linux is really a big PITA. Each time I want to install something which is not in my standard distro I have to go through the pains of hell for searching for dependencies. As far as urpmi is concerned it does a great job, but since it cannot resolve dependencies outside the mdk distro, it doesn't help much. I hate Winblows and still dream of the day when I could totally switch to linux, but linux is not making things very easy for us who want to switch to it. In winblows I don't have to give a rats ass about dependencies. Most programs come with the needed library statically binded or depends on libraries which are already in the distros of about 5 major types of winblows on the use at this time. snip My point EXACTLY - thank you, Adrian. You see - unlike many of you on this list, I am NOT a Linux guru - I am a network geek, by all means, and I really got a kick out of Linux the first time I discovered it can run tcpdump (1993-4-5?!? ... can't even remember). I LOVE Linux, but I never did development on its platform, and the only time I really touched *nix programming was in school, for Tannenbaum's Minix (awesome!) OS design class. And ever since, I have looked toward Linux as my platform of choice for TOOLS for networking and security ... but in the last couple of years it became more and more bloated, trying to gain a market it has NO CHANCE of conquering (desktop), moving in the direction of Windows, with light-years behind it in regards to ease of use. And you know what? It SHALL NOT be easy to use (as in GUI/KDE/Gnome-like - at least not as a unique purpose! ... perhaps it can come as a by-product, when everything is stable enough to be worth looking in that direction). And all this with the price of incompatibility with the things supposed to be used for ... I have a group I am in charge with, of very sharp network gurus, whom I am trying to continuously push toward Linux, while my job keeps me more and more away from this, more into responsibilities of what I call pie-chart creation :( ... but even this bias toward Linux as a platform comes with a huge price: countless hours spent on trying to make things work under Linux (ntop, nagios, snort, mrtg, rancid, etc.), to the point when the time*resources spent cannot justify anymore the *assumed costless choice of running such things on Linux. Many times I have to humbly recognize my failure when being asked by the CEO: why didn't you buy X, or Y, or Z, pay $$$ on MS W2K and MS SQL, and get YOUR JOB (networking and security!!) done? And many times I have no answer ... Sorry for the off-topic comments above ... all I was hoping was to find the recipe for libraries issues in Linux, primarily for Mandrake. I got some good advices, and I got some new ideas to try, but mostly I got yes, this and that are weird. Thank you all for helping. I sure hope things will get back to where I met Linux first time: Yggdrasil's distro ... what a hell of a time we had together, then ;) ... while trying to resolve my MDK issues ... and wondering if they are really only mine?!? Thx, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] application/buffered/cache
Hi all, I'm a recent convert to default MDK 9.1 [+ relevant security updates] after using slackware for a couple of years [and RedHat, Suse, before that]. I'm really very impressed by MDK but there's one thing which is bugging me. I realize that unused memory is wasted memory [in the words of linus himself, IIRC] but I wonder if the pattern of memory usage I'm experiencing is to be expected when using MDK. I have 512Mb RAM and the same amount of swap. I see the amount of memory used creeping ever upward and I find myself wondering what would happen were I to attempt to achieve the kind of uptime which some of you here seem to regard as reasonable - that is to say, months, if not years. I'm dual booting with Win2000 and never have much more than 24hrs uptime with linux due to the demands of an email account set up on the Win2000 side. Ideally i would adopt MDK as my OS of choice if it were not for this paranoia regarding memory use. At the time of writing, after 2 days and 10 hours uptime with MDK, I'm on the verge of swapping. I reduced runnning services to a minimum shortly after install, and tend to average around 51 processes running at any given time, most of which are due to KDE's requirements. I have no network other than ppp with my external modem and I'm not using much other than Sylpheed and Pan most of the time. Top doesn't show anything unusual other than memory use slowly but surely increasing. i did use swap after a wonderful extended session with the Gimp but i'm wondering what will happen if I start compiling kernels, etc, too ... Am i just someone who ought to get out more often or is this kind of memory usage atypical? I ought to add that I'm using the most recent NVIDIA drivers with an unsupported Intel chipset, so the agpgart module does not load. Asus P4G8X Deluxe 512 Mb RAM 2 x WDC 40 Gig MSI Ti4800SE 8x Samsung TFT monitor 3Com USRobotics external modem MS intellimouse Standard PS2 type Keyboard [UK] ... no other peripherals ... Firewire, Onboard NIC, USB, as yet unused ... apologies for being so verbose. many thanks, Janet Blankfield Some doubt the existence of the sun as it slides (like God) between the girders. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probablyeverything non-MDK)
Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:14 am, Rolf Pedersen wrote: stefmit wrote: I am making one last attempt with the great hope that someone, somewhere has figured this libraries issue out. Almost any program coming with libraries slightly different version than MDK ones fails to install, regardless of what I attempt to do. Last example is qtopia's RPM, which I NEED like air, for my Zaurus, but which install (unlike 9.0) breaks now in MDK9.1, with the following message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] utilities]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Installation failed: libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 is needed by qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1 For this one: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmf libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-lib c6.1-2.so.3 dockingstation:/usr/games/dockingstation/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rolf]$ urpmq --sources dockingstation /dockingstation-195.64-1.i386.rpm When I get this sort of output, it means the package is on a Club source and I have to be root to see the full url, which includes a password. If you are not a Club member, you could try searching on dockingstation or the library at rpmfind.net. Rolf [..] Thank you for your suggestion. I know this may solve one spcific problem, but I not only mentioned a couple of programs, but rather was very much interested in resolving library issues in general. If the only solution would be to install every time another program (or others) which MAY be bundled with the missing library(ies) for the ones I need, then it sounds very ... Microsoft-like (install IE to be able to run dir ... ;)). There has to be a better way ... I hope ... Stef [snip some ill-informed, questionable assertions] I apologize, Stefmit. Following up some on my own advice, I perceive that I must have missed much of what you have gone through previously on this topic and misunderstood the situation. Dockingstation (27M) no longer seems like the solution, if any. Searching on the library at rpmfind.net, I tried installing the Mandrake cooker package from the search results on this page: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libstdc%2B%2B-libc6.1-2.so.3submit=Search+...system=arch= The url of the package: ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake-devel/cookfire/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libstdc++-2.95.2-12mdk.i586.rpm Attempting to install this was not a slam-dunk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm]# urpmi libstdc++-2.95.2-12mdk.i586.rpm installing libstdc++-2.95.2-12mdk.i586.rpm Preparing... ## Installation failed: file /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 from install of libstdc++-2.95.2-12mdk conflicts with file from package libstdc++2.10-2.96-0.82mdk I checked the files-list of the two packages: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm]# rpm -ql libstdc++2.10 /usr/lib/libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm]# rpm -qpl libstdc++-2.95.2-12mdk.i586.rpm /usr/lib/gcc-lib /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux/2.95.3 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux/2.95.3/include /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-mandrake-linux/2.95.3/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/libstdc++-3-libc6.1-2-2.10.0.so /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.1.so.2 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.9 So, the conflicting file is /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 Thinking that --replacefiles will overwrite this one file and, hopefully, preserve the functioning of both packages: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm]# rpm -ivh --replacefiles libstdc++-2.95.2-12mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...### [100%] 1:libstdc++ ### [100%] [EMAIL PROTECTED] rpm]# urpmi qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm installing qtopia-desktop-1.6.1-1.i386.rpm Preparing... ## 1:qtopia-desktop ## I don't have a pda but I was able to make a desktop link, start the program, make an entry in events but not much testing. Now, given my uneducated understanding of the ramifications of such a move, I can't endorse it but maybe you can find a way to utilize this information. Presumably, urpme libstdc++-2.95.2 and rpm -U --force /path/to/libstdc++2.10-2.96-0.82mdk would restore the previous condition, if there were problems. Again, sorry for the attitude. Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Ongoing libraries saga (e.g. qtopia, nagios, probably everything non-MDK)
On Sunday 15 June 2003 12:14 pm, Rolf Pedersen wrote: snip The only other issue you cited, AFAICT, is that Mandrake's package of nagios puts files in more than one directory: # rpm -qpl /backup/contrib/nagios-1.0b6-1mdk.i586.rpm /etc/nagios /etc/nagios/cgi.cfg /etc/nagios/checkcommands.cfg /etc/nagios/contactgroups.cfg /etc/nagios/contacts.cfg /etc/nagios/dependencies.cfg /etc/nagios/escalations.cfg /etc/nagios/hostgroups.cfg /etc/nagios/hosts.cfg /etc/nagios/misccommands.cfg /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg /etc/nagios/resource.cfg /etc/nagios/services.cfg /etc/nagios/timeperiods.cfg /etc/rc.d/init.d/nagios /usr/lib/nagios/plugins /usr/sbin/nagios /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6 /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/Changelog /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/INSTALLING /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/LEGAL /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/README /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/UPGRADING /usr/share/doc/nagios-1.0b6/htaccess.sample /var/log/nagios /var/log/nagios/archives I am not sure what you are comparing to but this list does not seem inconsistent with the typical Mandrake package, which should strive to comply with LSB, which invokes FHS2.2: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/ Different entities have different interpretations/levels of interest in complying with LSB, so you will have to deal with these inconsistencies. Furthermore, contrib/ are considered unsupported, so, with all the other concerns Mandrake has, I doubt that complaints about contrib/ packages will receive a high priority. There is no comparison to Windows. Linux is not Windows. What works in Windows is, usually, irrelevant. You should put some effort into learning how Mandrake works before you try to re-invent the wheel, IMO. Rolf Who in the world cares about this? The guy(s?!?) who put their time and brains into developing nagios, have done so with a specific placement of files and directory structure in mind. This is CROSS-PLATFORM development. People like me look toward Linux as the platform of choice for RUNNING nagios, as much as this can suprise many, and unless nagios developers think otherwise, their choice of installation should be respected as such, even when packaging their work - to everyone's benefit. Because of the way it has been done, I have been setting/changing/re-configuring and documenting this thing for days, just to make it work ... and trust me - I have gained NOTHING by doing so (there is no value added to knowledge levels, just because one has to go through all possible configuration files, and change them to match the standard placement of files). I would have rather liked to get the package default to where the author decided to have it installed, and (perhaps) be offered the choice - for the standard fans - to have it installed in a structure like you and me found to exist .. rather than the other way around. Have YOU actually tried to configure and run nagios, from the simple way it is being installed by the MDK package? Don't give me the great LSB discourse, then, please .. By the way: I have put lots of effort into learning Linux, years ago - not as a developer - true!, but rather as a tool user ... Mandrake may be something else to learn, in which case I would be tempted to agree with you, but I honestly - really - had great hopes for it to still be Linux ... or am I wrong here (e.g. libraries MDK naming convention come to mind right away, when thinking that the two are not really one and the same .. see other similar comments on this thread, about this ;))? Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] alphabetizing / sorting seems screwy
On Sunday 15 June 2003 10:00 pm, eric huff wrote: Woohoo! export LC_COLLATE=POSIX does the trick. I googled before on sorting, alphabetizing, etc, and every thing i could pf, but there's just too many hits. Thanks for the lead Kwan! I put export LC_COLLATE=POSIX in .bash_profile so filemanagers (like rox) would get it and also in .bashrc (after /etc/bashrc gets run, since it sets it back) so xterms, etc wuld get it. Whoops: it's a little off. Heres the order: dot files numbers caps symbols lower case In rox, you have to choose either caps 1st (even before dots) or caps/lower the same. If i get inspired i'll poke around and see if there's an ASCII sorting setting, but i'm pretty happy with this. Thanks! eric Thanks Eric. Would putting this in rc.local work also? It seems great except I remember that in additon to what you've got working that the files/dirs were also arranged lowercase followed by uppercase. Does this sound familiar or is my memory at fault? (that couldn't be it...) Jon -- Jonathan Dlouhy Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:56 PM I used to work in a blanket factory, but it folded. Registered Linux user #264482 Powered by Mandrake 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cant Write Boot Floppies
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I already have a Knoppix CD but what I want to do is: A CD that can work as a rescue media for my installation and also can do as an installation CD containing only the apps and tools I have installed now. Kind of a individual installation CD. Perhaps, wobo, starting with the iso of MDK CD #1, loop-mounting it r/w, knocking out whatever you're sure you won't need, replacing the RPMs with your own selection, and then burning the result would work? You'd need to run genhdlist to create the hdlist.cz file, and there are probably a bunch of other considerations that aren't readily apparent, but maybe ... ;) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 The engineer is neither optimist nor pessimist. He sees the proverbial half-full/empty glass and says, The glass is twice as big as there is any need for it to be. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
