Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 21:22, Jason Greenwood wrote: Hi Vincent, Like you, I only just picked up on this thread. However, playing devil's advocate here, I'd say that RH figures they have enough market penetration and recognition to drop the costly retail sector. However, 2 things spring to mind, RH built their repuation and branding on having those boxed sets available in retail for a LONG TIME. For a long time they were the ONLY boxed set available and furthermore, that also helped make their name synonymous with Linux in the U.S. - for right or for wrong. Second, RH is clearly targetting a a different market than RH - namely the enterprise. Look how they piss on desktop users with their mangled KDE etc. ML is going after a different market - the desktop, whose users reside mainly in the retail space right now. Just a few thoughts... Cheers Jason PS, I am American (Dual NZ citizen) but have been happily living in New Zealand for over 8 years now... Vincent Danen wrote: One side, This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still on the shelves. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else
ed tharp schrieb am 21 Sep 2003 21:03:49 -0400: not Hochspier in the Pfalzerwald? No. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
Carroll Grigsby schrieb am Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:31:51 -0400: 9.2 is supposed to go final RSN (Monday?), but neither the Mandrake home page nor the Mandrake Store have any mention about accepting orders for it. There's a thread on the Club Forum about this (and yes, I did add my two cents worth), but no response has been forthcoming from anyone at Mandrake. Just FYI: According to reliable information, received today from Gaël Duval, there will be pre-order options available RSN, as usual in the MandrakeStore. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] remote access to text only screens
Hi James, I need it as the program that is running on the server, takes over a virtual screen CRTL/ALT+F8 and I need to be able to see that output, it's also curses based to make things interesting. It looks like the serial option is the only answer as long as I can get to the other virtual screens over a serial link. -Original Message- From: Richard Urwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2003 14:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] remote access to text only screens On Friday 19 Sep 2003 1:47 pm, Kitchener, Steve wrote: Hi James, I know about ssh and the like, but what I was after was the ability to display the screens that are only normally displayed via the console screen, specifically those that are accessed via the CTRL/ALT + F1 etc, but to be able to display those remotely on a different computer. Why do you need those screens and not some functionally identical text logon? It is possible to get the single-user console to be via a serial port, (and by extension over a modem,) but doing it over a network is always going to fail if the network drivers are not loaded, say in single-user mode. The only reason I can think of is if you want to support users who have no GUI running. It might be possible to come up with some app that lets you do that, the interfaces are pretty simple, but it probably isn't out there already. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:09, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ed tharp schrieb am 21 Sep 2003 21:03:49 -0400: not Hochspier in the Pfalzerwald? No. wobo Thank God I knew a Wolfgang there, about the same time frame (late 60s early 70s), I wouldn't want _my_ past to effect the present... G Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] hijacking: was Gopher was something else
ed tharp schrieb am 22 Sep 2003 07:17:11 -0400: Thank God I knew a Wolfgang there, about the same time frame (late 60s early 70s), I wouldn't want _my_ past to effect the present... G That bad? I still have a loose contact to one of the US guys from that times, he's living in Dayton, Ohio. I remember that time as the best part of my service time. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 12:16 am, Vincent Danen wrote: I really have nothing to add to this thread other than one thought (I'm taking a back seat in this one... it's not worth it for me to open my mouth since I'm not in marketing... I've also only begun to read the thread for moderator purposes). If most people in North America, or the US, feel this way, then let me pose this question. Why has Red Hat then, the most well-known Linux vendor in the US, decided that they are getting out of the retail box market, if this is in fact the case? Seems to me that if Mandrake has stupid marketing folks, then Red Hat must as well. However, considering Red Hat's revenues are also increasing, it would seem to me that they think this is viable and will not hurt the business. So which is right? Not that I want to get drawn into this conversation but comparisons with Red Hat only work if the targeted market is the same. Red Hat, IIRC markets its distribution to businesses, specializing in corporate and small business environments and specifically target servers. Those customers probably purchase retail boxed sets pretty rarely, they have dedicated IT personnel to install and support, in most cases, and they are probably not sending the local CEO or owner out to a store to buy a boxed Red Hat set and install it on all of their business servers. Not to mention that a pre-packaged installation is probably not valid for most servers in any case. Mandrake, IIRC, is marketing itself more to consumers and as a desktop alternative, not simply as a server alternative. On the desktop, one is more likely to see a consumer go to a retail store and purchase a boxed set than for a business. That having been said, I still don't see this as being applicable to the discussion. Unless we are suggesting that Mandrake Linux is installable and configurable by an unsophisticated user who would be the person most likely to purchase an OS from a retail chain, the the existence of retail boxed sets is immaterial. Assume for an instant that your mother or grandmother were to purchase Mandrake from a retail chain, do you think that the experience installing and configuring will be fair to the distribution and recommend further purchases by others? I like Mandrake and think that it is one of the easiest of all Linux distributions to work with and I have worked with several others including Red Hat, Knoppix, Debian, Mepis, etc. Still, knowing end users as I do, I would not expect a casual user to get very far trying to properly configure Linux of any flavor. I am not the most technical of persons, but I do work in the IT field and run Linux. I do NOT buy software from retail outlets. I research packages and either buy online or find open source alternatives. Either way, I do not know anyone that I would expect to be able to configure and run Linux adequately that would purchase software from a retail outlet. If I were trying to market this, I would attempt to get the OS pre-loaded, as others have suggested and as I believe that Mandrake is trying to do with HP (a very good move, IMHO). I might also try to produce some easy to use scripts to ease mass installation and configuration in a business environment (perhaps use a script that draws from a text file that contains properties like Samba shares, domain names, machine names, email address, other options) so that admins could quickly setup new machines by pre-populating with the auto install disk and then running the configuration script. The script would place the correct info into configuration files to ease the process of individual personalization of the machine. With the auto install disk and a personalization script, I think that the Mandrake experience would be even better than current disk imaging of alternative-OS (evil-empire) machines. This might make Mandrake more attractive to the corporate desktop crowd and even if Red Hat is the choice for the server, they may choose Mandrake for the desktop. Eventually, desktop might influence server and Mandrake might extend throughout the enterprise. Keep in mind, this is nothing that a savvy admin couldn't do themselves, but having something already made would simply be one more reason to choose this particular distribution. All of that assuming that the corporate desktop is the targeted segment. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2RC2 on VMware
Vincent Danen wrote: On Sun Sep 21, 2003 at 10:29:46PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: I installed 9.2RC2 on VMware. I can startx, but when I exit from the Xwindows. My console is all warped. I get four tiny screens. The two on the top is identical. Two at the bottom, I can't see anything, but grided color lines. I need to reboot machine to get the normal text again. Does anyone know a fix for this? I don't meant to sound flippent, but the best way to handle this problem is to throw VMware out the window, ( at least where this application is concerned ) and install Mandrake on it's own partition and run it natively. I really don't see the sense if running Mandrake in this manner when the support to run it natively exists. No... I'd actually like to see this fixed as well (I get the same behaviour here). Trust me, having this in vmware is very very convenient. While I'm running 9.2/cooker/whatever as my primary desktop, I'm also running everything from Mandrake 8.2-cooker in vmware. It's invaluable for testing stuff. With vmware, I have about 2 dozen operating systems/Linux variants/versions on this machine with only one host OS. For something like that, vmware is invaluable. Hi Vincent, Actually I hadn't thought of it that way and I see your point. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] rfbdrake
Hi I do use rfbdrake (0.8.2) to connect to some M$ server boxes for sysadm purposes. The problem is, if the M$ box is setup as TS administation and Application, after a period of time I cannot connect to it anymore. I know that something to do with temp licences, or get a full license. In w98 you could delete a key in the registry to reset it, but under Linux how do you do it. Regards, Andre Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 07:52 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: whack That having been said, I still don't see this as being applicable to the discussion. Unless we are suggesting that Mandrake Linux is installable and configurable by an unsophisticated user who would be the person most likely to purchase an OS from a retail chain, the the existence of retail boxed sets is immaterial. Assume for an instant that your mother or grandmother were to purchase Mandrake from a retail chain, do you think that the experience installing and configuring will be fair to the distribution and recommend further purchases by others? I started with a copy of Mandrake 7.0 PowerPack at the local Staples. Took it home, installed it, and went surfing -- within an hour or so. I had done some research about installation and hardware beforehand (and I had both a blank HD and PartitionMagic available), but the ease of installation blew me away. I continued to buy each new version at some local store until 8.1, when I started to buy from the Store to give Mandrake a bigger share of my bucks. I'd suggest that the way to look at the mass market chains (office supply places, bookstores, CompUSA, etc) is that those outlets get the Mandrake name out where people see it. While the Mandrake name is well known and well liked within the Linux community, I submit that it is largely unknown in the outside world. BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 05:25 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Carroll Grigsby schrieb am Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:31:51 -0400: 9.2 is supposed to go final RSN (Monday?), but neither the Mandrake home page nor the Mandrake Store have any mention about accepting orders for it. There's a thread on the Club Forum about this (and yes, I did add my two cents worth), but no response has been forthcoming from anyone at Mandrake. Just FYI: According to reliable information, received today from Gaël Duval, there will be pre-order options available RSN, as usual in the MandrakeStore. wobo wobo: Thank you very much. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 2:33 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg Oi - in the name of all grandmothers - I resemble that remark! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Devfsd
Whilst troubleshooting my problems with GnomeMeeting, (having been told by the GM list that devfsd was probably the cause of my trouble) I came across this: quote The following addition needed to be added to '/etc/fstab': none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 This line causes usbdevfs to dump the condition of USB into /proc/bus/usb, as it changes, to keep it up to date. The following deletion had to be made in '/etc/fstab': none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 This line needed to be removed because devfsd controls '/dev/pts', too, and there had been reports to the author that the two running together caused problems. So, use one or the other, but not both. I find it interesting that the Mandrake install would not have dealt with this considering this is a condition that was there from the very beginning. /quote Would anyone care to comment on that? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:45 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 22 Sep 2003 2:33 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg Oi - in the name of all grandmothers - I resemble that remark! AOL Me too! /AOL 8-) -- Trish Fraser, Sunbury, Australia Linux user #283226 counter.li.org andromeda up 21 days and counting kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 rc2
James Sparenberg kirjoitti viestissn (lhetysaika Sunnuntai 21 Syyskuu 2003 23:06): On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 09:23, Jack Coates wrote: alright, installed it on my laptop. [...] 5) Getting the bad key error on RPM upgrades, I thought Mandrake's key was included in the gnupg package? Should have been included. Perhaps it hasn't gone through the final check by Warly on the rpms to make sure they are all signed. Maybe the gnupg rpm didn't get updated. The other thing is that I've noticed that sometimes RPM's in Contrib get skipped or missed (could be either case.) on having an MDK sig. chkrootkit with 9.1 was one example of this. James The problem arised from the fact that rpm 4.2 series does not use gnupg for key amangement anymore, it's using it's own internal handling, and some packages was not properly signed on rc2, but AFAIK it's fixed now... -- Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
I installed 9.2RC2 on VMware. I can startx, but when I exit from the Xwindows. My console is all warped. I get four tiny screens. The two on the top is identical. Two at the bottom, I can't see anything, but grided color lines. I need to reboot machine to get the normal text again. Does anyone know a fix for this? I don't meant to sound flippent, but the best way to handle this problem is to throw VMware out the window, ( at least where this application is concerned ) and install Mandrake on it's own partition and run it natively. I really don't see the sense if running Mandrake in this manner when the support to run it natively exists. No... I'd actually like to see this fixed as well (I get the same behaviour here). Trust me, having this in vmware is very very convenient. While I'm running 9.2/cooker/whatever as my primary desktop, I'm also running everything from Mandrake 8.2-cooker in vmware. It's invaluable for testing stuff. So this happens with 8.2 too. I would like to narrow this down, so I can submit appropriate bug report to right people. Is this a Mandrake, VMware or XFree issue? My guess would be the video driver. Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:41, Norman Zhang wrote: I installed 9.2RC2 on VMware. I can startx, but when I exit from the Xwindows. My console is all warped. I get four tiny screens. The two on the top is identical. Two at the bottom, I can't see anything, but grided color lines. I need to reboot machine to get the normal text again. Does anyone know a fix for this? I don't meant to sound flippent, but the best way to handle this problem is to throw VMware out the window, ( at least where this application is concerned ) and install Mandrake on it's own partition and run it natively. I really don't see the sense if running Mandrake in this manner when the support to run it natively exists. No... I'd actually like to see this fixed as well (I get the same behaviour here). Trust me, having this in vmware is very very convenient. While I'm running 9.2/cooker/whatever as my primary desktop, I'm also running everything from Mandrake 8.2-cooker in vmware. It's invaluable for testing stuff. So this happens with 8.2 too. I would like to narrow this down, so I can submit appropriate bug report to right people. Is this a Mandrake, VMware or XFree issue? My guess would be the video driver. Regards, Norman What's the host OS? Does all that video corruption happen within the VMWare window, or is the whole display messed up? Recent VMWare? (I only have and know about 2.x, so rotsaruck if you're on the latest.) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Sun Sep 21, 2003 at 11:36:13PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
Like you, I only just picked up on this thread. However, playing devil's
advocate here, I'd say that RH figures they have enough market
penetration and recognition to drop the costly retail sector. However, 2
things spring to mind, RH built their repuation and branding on having
those boxed sets available in retail for a LONG TIME. For a long time
they were the ONLY boxed set available and furthermore, that also helped
make their name synonymous with Linux in the U.S. - for right or for
wrong. Second, RH is clearly targetting a a different market than RH -
namely the enterprise. Look how they piss on desktop users with their
mangled KDE etc. ML is going after a different market - the desktop,
whose users reside mainly in the retail space right now.
Just a few thoughts...
Cheers
Jason
PS, I am American (Dual NZ citizen) but have been happily living in New
Zealand for over 8 years now...
Vincent Danen wrote:
One side,
This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in
the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed
sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still
on the shelves.
Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are
still being produced, just not the more expensive ones.
Interesting.
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Re: [expert] 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 08:21:34AM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
I installed 9.2RC2 on VMware. I can startx, but when I exit from
the Xwindows. My console is all warped. I get four tiny screens.
The two on the top is identical. Two at the bottom, I can't see
anything, but grided color lines. I need to reboot machine to get
the normal text again. Does anyone know a fix for this?
I don't meant to sound flippent, but the best way to handle this
problem is to throw VMware out the window, ( at least where this
application is concerned ) and install Mandrake on it's own
partition and run it natively. I really don't see the sense if
running Mandrake in this manner when the support to run it natively
exists.
No... I'd actually like to see this fixed as well (I get the same
behaviour here).
Trust me, having this in vmware is very very convenient. While I'm
running 9.2/cooker/whatever as my primary desktop, I'm also running
everything from Mandrake 8.2-cooker in vmware. It's invaluable for
testing stuff. With vmware, I have about 2 dozen operating
systems/Linux variants/versions on this machine with only one host
OS. For something like that, vmware is invaluable.
Hi Vincent,
Actually I hadn't thought of it that way and I see your point.
For me, vmware is invaluable. The cost would be far too high for me to have
a machine that multi-boots all these distros for testing (in terms of time:
too many reboots). Cost is also too high to have one machine per supported
distrib: Electricity, hardware, etc. Having all of this in vmware is cheap
on both accounts... no physical hardware, no time for reboots (suspending
in vmware is *awesome*).
vmware is probably the one tool that I've bought for Linux that gave me
1000% ROI within a month of using it. =)
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Re: [expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 07:41:01AM -0700, Norman Zhang wrote:
I installed 9.2RC2 on VMware. I can startx, but when I exit from
the Xwindows. My console is all warped. I get four tiny screens.
The two on the top is identical. Two at the bottom, I can't see
anything, but grided color lines. I need to reboot machine to get
the normal text again. Does anyone know a fix for this?
I don't meant to sound flippent, but the best way to handle this
problem is to throw VMware out the window, ( at least where this
application is concerned ) and install Mandrake on it's own
partition and run it natively. I really don't see the sense if
running Mandrake in this manner when the support to run it natively
exists.
No... I'd actually like to see this fixed as well (I get the same
behaviour here).
Trust me, having this in vmware is very very convenient. While I'm
running 9.2/cooker/whatever as my primary desktop, I'm also running
everything from Mandrake 8.2-cooker in vmware. It's invaluable for
testing stuff.
So this happens with 8.2 too. I would like to narrow this down, so I can
submit appropriate bug report to right people. Is this a Mandrake, VMware or
XFree issue? My guess would be the video driver.
8.2 as a guest? I don't get this here... did you install the vmware tools,
which has it's own guest driver for X?
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
el Sun September 21 2003 8:11 pm, HaywireMac escribió: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:39:31 -0600 Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This isn't usenet. The above comments are not appropriate for this forum. You may disagree with what he had to say, and that's fine, but to use that language is entirely unacceptable. Oh I see, he can call the users here a bunch of chattering monkeys, but I'm using inappropriate language. Yes, you are. He did not call them chattering monkeys, he referred to the anecdote that a million monkeys typing on a million keyboards for a million years might one day produce a work similar to one of Shakespeare's. regards, Richard. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] remote access to text only screens
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 11:29 am, Kitchener, Steve wrote: Hi James, I need it as the program that is running on the server, takes over a virtual screen CRTL/ALT+F8 and I need to be able to see that output, it's also curses based to make things interesting. It looks like the serial option is the only answer as long as I can get to the other virtual screens over a serial link. That could prove... interesting. One way I can see would be to rename /dev/aserialport to /dev/avirtualterminal, but that sounds like a can of worms. MDK likes to recreate /dev on a regular basis, and at the level your app uses the interfaces might not be the same. Have you talked to whoever wrote the app? I hope they have a really good excuse for not just making it a text app that you can run anywhere. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
So this happens with 8.2 too. I would like to narrow this down, so I can submit appropriate bug report to right people. Is this a Mandrake, VMware or XFree issue? My guess would be the video driver. What's the host OS? Does all that video corruption happen within the VMWare window, or is the whole display messed up? Recent VMWare? (I only have and know about 2.x, so rotsaruck if you're on the latest.) My host OS is W2K Pro SP4 and am running VMware version 4.02 build-5592. 9.2RC2 would display the text properly if I boot into console mode. startx would display properly too. But after I exit from the Xwindows session, the text mode would be messed up. I get 4 tiny windows (one on each corner), two on top would be identical, two at the bottom--I can't see anything. The text from the top two windows are so tiny and fuzzy that I can make anything out of it. I did install VMware tools. Without it Xwindows won't start. Also during installation, Mandrake was able to identified the video card as VMware virtual driver. Is there a way to reset this without reboot the 9.2RC2? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Back up hfs remotely
Hello I need to back up my entire iBook and wonder whether I could do that using linux. The iBook takes an internal ip address at my private network. Is there a way to copy all mac files to a dir in the linux server? Many thanks Ed Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:08:23 -0400 Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Yes, you are. ya, ya, I know. He did not call them chattering monkeys, he referred to the anecdote that a million monkeys typing on a million keyboards for a million years might one day produce a work similar to one of Shakespeare's. I'm aware of the reference, it's condescending and insulting, nonetheless. Anyway, I finally realized, why should I give a rat's ass what Rolph thinks anyway Oops! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ God made everything out of nothing, but the nothingness shows through. -- Paul Valery Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 09:33 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. I think that they could install it, albeit with major security holes and problems soon to come. I would not recommend that any casual user install an OS, no matter what brand. MS is only saved by having the OS pre-installed by the OEM. I think that Mandrake is in most cases superior to Windows, at least if you get it installed it is secure, but neither should not be done by a casual user who is not prepared to learn how things work in order to get it right. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 08:45, Vincent Danen wrote: One side, This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still on the shelves. Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are still being produced, just not the more expensive ones. Interesting. It seems that the low end boxes move. The high end boxes mostly get back routed through the channel. (the go to the stores, they come back.) It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk only set. Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't need / want the book. Advantage here. The book is, the most expensive part to produce. Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed from winders. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:18, Patricia Fraser wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:45 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 22 Sep 2003 2:33 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg Oi - in the name of all grandmothers - I resemble that remark! AOL Me too! /AOL Old enough to be a grandpa, Young enough to have a 3 year old *grin* James 8-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 rc2
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:19, Thomas Backlund wrote: James Sparenberg kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 21 Syyskuu 2003 23:06): On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 09:23, Jack Coates wrote: alright, installed it on my laptop. [...] 5) Getting the bad key error on RPM upgrades, I thought Mandrake's key was included in the gnupg package? Should have been included. Perhaps it hasn't gone through the final check by Warly on the rpms to make sure they are all signed. Maybe the gnupg rpm didn't get updated. The other thing is that I've noticed that sometimes RPM's in Contrib get skipped or missed (could be either case.) on having an MDK sig. chkrootkit with 9.1 was one example of this. James The problem arised from the fact that rpm 4.2 series does not use gnupg for key amangement anymore, it's using it's own internal handling, and some packages was not properly signed on rc2, but AFAIK it's fixed now... Oh crypes .. the rpm guys went and improved something that worked right grr. OK. I wonder, does this mean 4.2 has a bunch of backwards compatability issues? I've been working in environs that are multi distro, multi version, and like to build cross platform rpms. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
Hi, My host OS is W2K Pro SP4 and am running VMware version 4.02 build-5592. 9.2RC2 would display the text properly if I boot into console mode. startx would display properly too. But after I exit from the Xwindows session, the text mode would be messed up. I get 4 tiny windows (one on each corner), two on top would be identical, two at the bottom--I can't see anything. The text from the top two windows are so tiny and fuzzy that I can make anything out of it. I did install VMware tools. Without it Xwindows won't start. Also during installation, Mandrake was able to identified the video card as VMware virtual driver. Is there a way to reset this without reboot the 9.2RC2? I've found a solution from vmware list. Thought that I should update it here as well. VMware SVGA drive does not restore proper hardware state after exiting from SVGA mode. I need to boot to nonfb, and the problem goes away. Hope this helpful to others too. Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Devfsd
On Monday 22 September 2003 09:42 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Whilst troubleshooting my problems with GnomeMeeting, (having been told by the GM list that devfsd was probably the cause of my trouble) I came across this: quote The following addition needed to be added to '/etc/fstab': none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 This line causes usbdevfs to dump the condition of USB into /proc/bus/usb, as it changes, to keep it up to date. The following deletion had to be made in '/etc/fstab': none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 This line needed to be removed because devfsd controls '/dev/pts', too, and there had been reports to the author that the two running together caused problems. So, use one or the other, but not both. I find it interesting that the Mandrake install would not have dealt with this considering this is a condition that was there from the very beginning. /quote Would anyone care to comment on that? Anne Anne, I'm just curious - have you tried it yet, to see if it makes a diff? -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 6:36 pm, Norman Zhang wrote: I've found a solution from vmware list. Thought that I should update it here as well. VMware SVGA drive does not restore proper hardware state after exiting from SVGA mode. I need to boot to nonfb, and the problem goes away. Hope this helpful to others too. Norman, there is a VMWare page at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/VmWare Could you please add that tidbit to it? You are right, it will help others. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:11:37AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
One side,
This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in
the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed
sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still
on the shelves.
Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are
still being produced, just not the more expensive ones.
Interesting.
It seems that the low end boxes move. The high end boxes mostly get
back routed through the channel. (the go to the stores, they come
back.) It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk
only set. Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't
need / want the book. Advantage here. The book is, the most expensive
part to produce. Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through
the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed
from winders.
Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's
available online.
Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to
*NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho,
that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if
there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way.
No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card.
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Re: [expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 09:15:09AM -0700, Norman Zhang wrote:
So this happens with 8.2 too. I would like to narrow this down, so I can
submit appropriate bug report to right people. Is this a Mandrake, VMware
or XFree issue? My guess would be the video driver.
What's the host OS? Does all that video corruption happen within the
VMWare window, or is the whole display messed up? Recent VMWare? (I only
have and know about 2.x, so rotsaruck if you're on the latest.)
My host OS is W2K Pro SP4 and am running VMware version 4.02 build-5592.
9.2RC2 would display the text properly if I boot into console mode. startx
would display properly too. But after I exit from the Xwindows session, the
text mode would be messed up. I get 4 tiny windows (one on each corner), two
on top would be identical, two at the bottom--I can't see anything. The text
from the top two windows are so tiny and fuzzy that I can make anything out
of it. I did install VMware tools. Without it Xwindows won't start. Also
during installation, Mandrake was able to identified the video card as
VMware virtual driver. Is there a way to reset this without reboot the
9.2RC2?
Not to my knowledge. I've had to ssh in to do a reboot since I kinda like
seeing what I type.
I guess it would be feasible to boot into X and remain in X... not quite
what you want to hear, I'm sure, but whatever you want to do on the CLI can
be done from an xterm.
(I'd like to see a fix as well, and this may be something that needs to be
brought up to the vmware folks, but in the meantime, this might be a
half-decent workaround).
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 01:14 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Old enough to be a grandpa, Young enough to have a 3 year old *grin* James 8-) Heaven forbid my 12 yr old makes me a grandparent but I do have a 19 month old baby girl! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:36:07AM -0700, Norman Zhang wrote:
My host OS is W2K Pro SP4 and am running VMware version 4.02 build-5592.
9.2RC2 would display the text properly if I boot into console mode. startx
would display properly too. But after I exit from the Xwindows session,
the text mode would be messed up. I get 4 tiny windows (one on each
corner), two on top would be identical, two at the bottom--I can't see
anything. The text from the top two windows are so tiny and fuzzy that I
can make anything out of it. I did install VMware tools. Without it
Xwindows won't start. Also during installation, Mandrake was able to
identified the video card as VMware virtual driver. Is there a way to
reset this without reboot the 9.2RC2?
I've found a solution from vmware list. Thought that I should update it here
as well. VMware SVGA drive does not restore proper hardware state after
exiting from SVGA mode. I need to boot to nonfb, and the problem goes away.
Hope this helpful to others too.
So you boot the kernel with append=nonfb? That seems like a decent
solution.
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[expert] respect your fellows
Without beating a dead horse, and posting with no expectation or want of a
response, I would encourage everyone to respect their list mates when
writing messages to the list.
By respecting your list mates I mean please be courteous when speaking, be
respectful of them and their opinions, and please do not post anything
(language, allusions, etc.) that may be construed as disrespectful or
insulting. It will make the list far more pleasurable and useful to
everyone.
If you have a real problem with someone, rather than bashing it out on the
list, please take it private. No one needs or wants to see/read that.
I think this list is an invaluable resource to people, and we all know that
folks enjoy jumping in on a flame fest and everyone has their $0.02, but
please keep that kind of thing off list, and if it does appear, please do
not contribute it or even acknowledge it with a response (unless it is off
list).
I've had requests to make the list a closed one where subscriptions are
moderated and I highly disagree with that model, so looking for the best
compromise, I think that conducting yourself in a polite manner is a far
better solution. The motto: treat others as you would have them treat you
(or something to that effect) should apply to all posts.
Please don't reply to this, I don't think it needs to be discussed (in fact
I think there is nothing to discuss). Just keep it in mind.
Thanks.
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 02:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. I'd be interested in that - heck, I'd be thrilled if there was some easy way to pay here in the United States, aside from a credit card (i.e., personal check or better yet, debit card!!!) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 12:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:11:37AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: One side, This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still on the shelves. Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are still being produced, just not the more expensive ones. Interesting. It seems that the low end boxes move. The high end boxes mostly get back routed through the channel. (the go to the stores, they come back.) It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk only set. Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't need / want the book. Advantage here. The book is, the most expensive part to produce. Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed from winders. Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's available online. Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. YES! Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in Edmonton that would jump at that if it were available. 2 would buy from Mandrake store if they could, the others either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit cards at all. I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:21:21 up 2 days, 1:40, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.16, 0.24 It's when they say 2 + 2 = 5 that I begin to argue. - -- Eric Pepke -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/bz5OG11CaRuZZSIRAsqwAJ0ZQ+RnMmRtcBCi/DUq4u2AXiCRlgCeLz5y 3FDbO49eUR+lyDLeWITnFyc= =ZHrU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
James Sparenberg schrieb am Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:14:35 -0700: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 07:18, Patricia Fraser wrote: On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:45 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 22 Sep 2003 2:33 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg Oi - in the name of all grandmothers - I resemble that remark! AOL Me too! /AOL Old enough to be a grandpa, Young enough to have a 3 year old *grin* /me is a grandfather of a teenager (17). So I might fall into that category where I'm not able to install windows. Right. But I am able to install Mandrake Linux! wobo (*not* too old to Rock'n'Roll!) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Devfsd
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 7:07 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Monday 22 September 2003 09:42 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Whilst troubleshooting my problems with GnomeMeeting, (having been told by the GM list that devfsd was probably the cause of my trouble) I came across this: quote The following addition needed to be added to '/etc/fstab': none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 This line causes usbdevfs to dump the condition of USB into /proc/bus/usb, as it changes, to keep it up to date. The following deletion had to be made in '/etc/fstab': none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 This line needed to be removed because devfsd controls '/dev/pts', too, and there had been reports to the author that the two running together caused problems. So, use one or the other, but not both. I find it interesting that the Mandrake install would not have dealt with this considering this is a condition that was there from the very beginning. /quote Would anyone care to comment on that? Anne Anne, I'm just curious - have you tried it yet, to see if it makes a diff? No - I've mulled it over. I just wondered if anyone knows enough about devfs to tell me if it would be disastrous. Otherwise, I might try it tomorrow. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 12:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:11:37AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: One side, This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still on the shelves. Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are still being produced, just not the more expensive ones. Interesting. It seems that the low end boxes move. The high end boxes mostly get back routed through the channel. (the go to the stores, they come back.) It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk only set. Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't need / want the book. Advantage here. The book is, the most expensive part to produce. Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed from winders. Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's available online. Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. YES! Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in Edmonton that would jump at that if it were available. 2 would buy from Mandrake store if they could, the others either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit cards at all. I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I. Regards; Charlie guys$54 check it out. http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_0/menu_2.phpid_art=277LANG_=en#GOTO_277 -- Alan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 7:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:11:37AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: One side, This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still on the shelves. Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are still being produced, just not the more expensive ones. Interesting. It seems that the low end boxes move. The high end boxes mostly get back routed through the channel. (the go to the stores, they come back.) It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk only set. Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't need / want the book. Advantage here. The book is, the most expensive part to produce. Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed from winders. Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's available online. Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. It sounds an excellent idea to me, Vincent. Convenient for the user and cheaper to make and ship. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 7:42 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Oi - in the name of all grandmothers - I resemble that remark! AOL Me too! /AOL Old enough to be a grandpa, Young enough to have a 3 year old *grin* /me is a grandfather of a teenager (17). So I might fall into that category where I'm not able to install windows. Right. But I am able to install Mandrake Linux! wobo (*not* too old to Rock'n'Roll!) My granddaughter is 17 and my grandson almost 16, and I am the tech support for the whole family (and a few friends) g But so far I've managed to draw the line at xp Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
Anne Wilson schrieb am Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:52:31 +0100: Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. It sounds an excellent idea to me, Vincent. Convenient for the user and cheaper to make and ship. Of course you all know that this already exists. Check out MandrakeStore and gaze at the never-heard-of DVD-Only-Edition of Mandrake Linux. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Back up hfs remotely
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 18:49, Eduardo M. A. M. Mendes wrote: Hello I need to back up my entire iBook and wonder whether I could do that using linux. The iBook takes an internal ip address at my private network. Is there a way to copy all mac files to a dir in the linux server? Many thanks Ed use rsync. For a network-level backup, it really doesn't matter what filesystem you're using on either end. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 9:21 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Anne Wilson schrieb am Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:52:31 +0100: Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. It sounds an excellent idea to me, Vincent. Convenient for the user and cheaper to make and ship. Of course you all know that this already exists. Check out MandrakeStore and gaze at the never-heard-of DVD-Only-Edition of Mandrake Linux. wobo Sure, but we were talking about it being in bookshops and other places Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
Hi Anne, I've found a solution from vmware list. Thought that I should update it here as well. VMware SVGA drive does not restore proper hardware state after exiting from SVGA mode. I need to boot to nonfb, and the problem goes away. Hope this helpful to others too. Norman, there is a VMWare page at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/VmWare Could you please add that tidbit to it? You are right, it will help others. I created account at the above site, logged in. Allowed to edit, preview, but couldn't save the text (some internal errors). Perhaps you may want to help update the site with the following info. Regards, Norman ###Updated Text for Wiki (Please remove this line)### *Running LM as a Guest OS* *Problem:* My host OS is W2K Pro SP4 and am running VMware version 4.02 build-5592. 9.2RC2 would display the text properly if I boot into console mode. startx would display properly too. But after I exit from the Xwindows session, the text mode would be messed up. I get 4 tiny windows (one on each corner), two on top would be identical, two at the bottom--I can't see anything. The text from the top two windows are so tiny and fuzzy that I can make anything out of it. I did install VMware tools. Without it Xwindows won't start. Also during installation, Mandrake was able to identified the video card as VMware virtual driver. Is there a way to reset this without reboot the 9.2RC2? *Solution:* (from Petr Vandrovec) Mandrake should have created nonfb choice in your LILO. Boot this, instead of default configuration - VMware SVGA driver does not restore proper hardware state when exiting from SVGA mode. *Follow-up:* Thanks. That seems to solve the problem. However I do see the following warning =(WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to setup write-combing range (0xf600,0x1000)= Is this critical? *Answer:* (from Peter Vandrovec) No, it is normal. Virtual CPU does not support MTRR registers, and so X server complains. You can ignore it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
Alan Shoemaker wrote: Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 12:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 10:11:37AM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: One side, This statement by RH was made before the release of 9 9 is in the stores all that was dropped was the less profitable high end boxed sets. (those costing $100.00 US +) the lower end boxed sets are still on the shelves. Ahhh... ok, thanks for the clarification, James. So they cheap boxes are still being produced, just not the more expensive ones. Interesting. It seems that the low end boxes move. The high end boxes mostly get back routed through the channel. (the go to the stores, they come back.) It seems thought there is room for one more version a disk only set. Cheaper to produce, and a lot of people (a lot not all) don't need / want the book. Advantage here. The book is, the most expensive part to produce. Heck include a gift Certificate for the book through the mail or just put it on a documentation disk that can be read/printed from winders. Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's available online. Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. YES! Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in Edmonton that would jump at that if it were available. 2 would buy from Mandrake store if they could, the others either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit cards at all. whoops! i forgot to mention that there are options other than using a credit card for payment on mandrakestore. i quote the first page of the checkout sequence, Please note that orders paid by bank transfer, check or PayPal are processed once/twice a week upon receipt of the payment in our accounts., which show three alternate payment options other thgan credit cards for customers to use. :) I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I. Regards; Charlie guys$54 check it out. http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_0/menu_2.phpid_art=277LANG_=en#GOTO_277 -- Alan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 01:50 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote: [..] Agreed on the book part and, IIRC, it comes on the CDs or at least it's available online. Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. YES! Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in Edmonton that would jump at that if it were available. 2 would buy from Mandrake store if they could, the others either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit cards at all. I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I. guys$54 check it out. http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_0/menu_2.phpid_art= 277LANG_=en#GOTO_277 Thanks Alan. I'll forward the link to the appropriate people as soon as things are updated to reflect 9.2. The people I'm referring to (my victims) all have 9.1 installed and it's what got them all interested in keeping the distribution alive when they read about the financial difficulties. Most had no idea that anything such as Mandrake Linux was available or possible before I started yammering at them, since they're all refugees from the Windows + OEM way of life. Now that they've been softened up I can (probably) convince almost all that they need to support the distribution. By 'probably' I mean as long as it's convenient, since the rest of their Mandrake experience has been. Or as much as I've been able to make it so. Best Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 14:02:11 up 2 days, 3:21, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.14, 0.20 I have a very good DENTAL PLAN. Thank you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/b1fXG11CaRuZZSIRAjpkAJ9weRCA2EbAkPM31yJ8iHSuisgg2QCeJoIz eL6LkMxnPoAwD9ls80N3WqU= =Jou2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
On Monday 22 Sep 2003 9:41 pm, Norman Zhang wrote: Hi Anne, I've found a solution from vmware list. Thought that I should update it here as well. VMware SVGA drive does not restore proper hardware state after exiting from SVGA mode. I need to boot to nonfb, and the problem goes away. Hope this helpful to others too. Norman, there is a VMWare page at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/VmWare Could you please add that tidbit to it? You are right, it will help others. I created account at the above site, logged in. Allowed to edit, preview, but couldn't save the text (some internal errors). Perhaps you may want to help update the site with the following info. Regards, Norman ###Updated Text for Wiki (Please remove this line)### *Running LM as a Guest OS* *Problem:* My host OS is W2K Pro SP4 and am running VMware version 4.02 build-5592. 9.2RC2 would display the text properly if I boot into console mode. startx would display properly too. But after I exit from the Xwindows session, the text mode would be messed up. I get 4 tiny windows (one on each corner), two on top would be identical, two at the bottom--I can't see anything. The text from the top two windows are so tiny and fuzzy that I can make anything out of it. I did install VMware tools. Without it Xwindows won't start. Also during installation, Mandrake was able to identified the video card as VMware virtual driver. Is there a way to reset this without reboot the 9.2RC2? *Solution:* (from Petr Vandrovec) Mandrake should have created nonfb choice in your LILO. Boot this, instead of default configuration - VMware SVGA driver does not restore proper hardware state when exiting from SVGA mode. *Follow-up:* Thanks. That seems to solve the problem. However I do see the following warning =(WW) VMWARE(0): Failed to setup write-combing range (0xf600,0x1000)= Is this critical? *Answer:* (from Peter Vandrovec) No, it is normal. Virtual CPU does not support MTRR registers, and so X server complains. You can ignore it. Hi, Norman. Sorry you had problems. I've put it on the page, and attributed it to NormZ - I presume that's you? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: 9.2RC2 on VMware
Hi Anne, Hi, Norman. Sorry you had problems. I've put it on the page, and attributed it to NormZ - I presume that's you? Yeah that's me thanks. BTW, just some nitpicking--VMWare should be spelled as VMware. Perhaps you may want to change that too? Thanks. http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/VmWare Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 09:45 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 22 Sep 2003 2:33 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: BTW, from what I read elsewhere, I doubt that your mother/grandmother would be able to install any breed of Windows without some serious problems, let alone all of the other apps that are needed before Windows can do anything useful. -- cmg Oi - in the name of all grandmothers - I resemble that remark! Anne Anne: Sorry, but you are way outside of the 3 sigma limit for any commonly accepted definition of grannies. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Resolv.conf changing
Hi, I wonder if someone can tell me how to prevent the contents of my /etc/resolv.conf from being re-written every time my NIC is brought up? Or at least, allow me to keep entries in that file that I have put there manually. Basically, the NIC connected to my cable modem has to use DHCP to get its address, etc, etc. But I also run a caching DNS server on that machine. Every time the interface is brought up it will re-write /etc/resolv.conf with settings it gets from my ISP's DHCP server, overwriting my entry to point to the local instance of BIND for DNS lookups. This is frustrating, as the result is that all the machines on my network use my self-hosted DNS server except the machine hosting the DNS server. :) I've read about adding the -R switch to dhcpcd but I wondered if there is another solution? I'm using mdk9.1. Many thanks, Graeme. -- Graeme J Hosking pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 13:21, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Anne Wilson schrieb am Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:52:31 +0100: Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. It sounds an excellent idea to me, Vincent. Convenient for the user and cheaper to make and ship. Of course you all know that this already exists. Check out MandrakeStore and gaze at the never-heard-of DVD-Only-Edition of Mandrake Linux. wobo Wobo, I know they exist. Which is why I'm advocating getting it rather than the bulky box into stores. I buy CD only sets (don't have DVD reader in my box) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 12:08 pm, Richard wrote: el Sun September 21 2003 8:11 pm, HaywireMac escribió: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:39:31 -0600 Vincent Danen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This isn't usenet. The above comments are not appropriate for this forum. You may disagree with what he had to say, and that's fine, but to use that language is entirely unacceptable. Oh I see, he can call the users here a bunch of chattering monkeys, but I'm using inappropriate language. Yes, you are. He did not call them chattering monkeys, he referred to the anecdote that a million monkeys typing on a million keyboards for a million years might one day produce a work similar to one of Shakespeare's. regards, Richard. From the old Bob Newhart bit: Hey, Harry, look at this. 'To be or not to be, that is the zdlkaj;oe8r72v'. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] remote access to text only screens
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 03:29, Kitchener, Steve wrote: Hi James, I need it as the program that is running on the server, takes over a virtual screen CRTL/ALT+F8 and I need to be able to see that output, it's also curses based to make things interesting. It looks like the serial option is the only answer as long as I can get to the other virtual screens over a serial link. -Original Message- From: Richard Urwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2003 14:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] remote access to text only screens On Friday 19 Sep 2003 1:47 pm, Kitchener, Steve wrote: Hi James, I know about ssh and the like, but what I was after was the ability to display the screens that are only normally displayed via the console screen, specifically those that are accessed via the CTRL/ALT + F1 etc, but to be able to display those remotely on a different computer. Why do you need those screens and not some functionally identical text logon? It is possible to get the single-user console to be via a serial port, (and by extension over a modem,) but doing it over a network is always going to fail if the network drivers are not loaded, say in single-user mode. The only reason I can think of is if you want to support users who have no GUI running. It might be possible to come up with some app that lets you do that, the interfaces are pretty simple, but it probably isn't out there already. I haven't tried it yet (need to) but if the local user doesn't have a gui running it is possible to do SVGA version of VNC. Check out the tight vnc site for more info. But if you are in frambuffer mode a local gui isn't supposed to be needed. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 12:24:00PM -0600, Charlie M. wrote:
Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to
*NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is,
tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm
wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced
in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration
card.
YES!
Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in Edmonton that would
jump at that if it were available. 2 would buy from Mandrake store if they
could, the others either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit
cards at all.
I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I.
Well, for us Edmonton folk, I might be able to rig something myself, but
let's see what we can do about this the right way first.
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Online Security Resource Book; http://linsec.ca/
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 12:50:19PM -0700, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
Sorry for shouting but I know at least ten people here in
Edmonton that would jump at that if it were available. 2
would buy from Mandrake store if they could, the others
either don't use credit cards on-line or don't use credit
cards at all.
I've said it before; some of my friends are as weird as I.
Regards;
Charlie
guys$54 check it out.
http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_0/menu_2.phpid_art=277LANG_=en#GOTO_277
Right, but the point is having something like this in the store
(physically). Might be a better seller than a boxed set (and easier/cheaper
to manufacture/ship).
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Online Security Resource Book; http://linsec.ca/
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Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 22, 2003 07:31 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: [..] Well, for us Edmonton folk, I might be able to rig something myself, but let's see what we can do about this the right way first. Yes please. I didn't say that any of us (my friends and acquaintances, myself, other pains in the etc.(-;) were impatient, just eager. There is a large difference after all. g Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 19:37:39 up 2 days, 8:57, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.14, 0.12 To get back on your feet, miss two car payments. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/b6R7G11CaRuZZSIRAvE9AKCSxszTr84eMEi9aKo1BNTnKPYTQQCcDap0 qemGDpWpS90xa9mMmnqiYLQ= =gdJT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On Monday 22 September 2003 11:12 am, Vincent Danen wrote: Here's an idea tho... I was recently in a local bookstore that caters to *NIX junkies and saw some Yellowdog packages there. The cool thing is, tho, that they came in a regular DVD case, just like a movie. I'm wondering if there is a place for the powerpack (DVD-only) being produced in this way. No manual, no CDs, just the one DVD and your registration card. Send it up the pole! I think it is a fantastic idea!!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Resolv.conf changing
http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/reply-to/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack]$ cat /etc/sysconfig/network NETWORKING=yes FORWARD_IPV4=false DHCP_HOSTNAME=chupacabra.monkeynoodle.org HOSTNAME=chupacabra.monkeynoodle.org DOMAINNAME=monkeynoodle.org PEERDNS=yes DHCP_TIMEOUT=5 peerdns does what you want. That dhcp timeout is a nice one too if you do a lot of moving around with your laptop :-) On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 17:17, Graeme J Hosking wrote: Hi, I wonder if someone can tell me how to prevent the contents of my /etc/resolv.conf from being re-written every time my NIC is brought up? Or at least, allow me to keep entries in that file that I have put there manually. Basically, the NIC connected to my cable modem has to use DHCP to get its address, etc, etc. But I also run a caching DNS server on that machine. Every time the interface is brought up it will re-write /etc/resolv.conf with settings it gets from my ISP's DHCP server, overwriting my entry to point to the local instance of BIND for DNS lookups. This is frustrating, as the result is that all the machines on my network use my self-hosted DNS server except the machine hosting the DNS server. :) I've read about adding the -R switch to dhcpcd but I wondered if there is another solution? I'm using mdk9.1. Many thanks, Graeme. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Resolv.conf changing
First up disable a package called tmdns for some reason it's enabled by default.. don't actually remove the package, as every time you configure your network with drakconf, drakconf will reinstall the package.. The commands to disable it.. service tmdns stop chkconfig --del tndns Next edit a file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and place in there PEERDNS=no for more help to know what you can place in those ifcfg files.. have a look at the man file for ifcfg.. man ifcfg I hope this is a help Cheers Mark On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:17, Graeme J Hosking wrote: Hi, I wonder if someone can tell me how to prevent the contents of my /etc/resolv.conf from being re-written every time my NIC is brought up? Or at least, allow me to keep entries in that file that I have put there manually. Basically, the NIC connected to my cable modem has to use DHCP to get its address, etc, etc. But I also run a caching DNS server on that machine. Every time the interface is brought up it will re-write /etc/resolv.conf with settings it gets from my ISP's DHCP server, overwriting my entry to point to the local instance of BIND for DNS lookups. This is frustrating, as the result is that all the machines on my network use my self-hosted DNS server except the machine hosting the DNS server. :) I've read about adding the -R switch to dhcpcd but I wondered if there is another solution? I'm using mdk9.1. Many thanks, Graeme. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
I think many many people got started on Redhat because it came bundled with dozens of linux in 24 hours, linux for dummies etc, type books.. I'd really love to see mandrake in those books, I wonder what they'd have to do to get that sort of exposure. rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
