Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On November 3, 2003 08:33 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. Everything has moved to the Fedora project from there forward. Hmmm. I'm wondering if that smell I'm smelling is gunpowder and toe jam. There strength in the US has always been Word of Mouth advertising. If they chose to move out of the community as a brand I suspect that they will either have to create an advertising dept/budget or face the loss of brand recognition. The first one affects profits directly. The second more subtly. An interesting position. Kinda GM like. We've been selling those brands for 20 years and everyone knows them, lets drop the brand lines and stop advertising. (this was done to the Oldsmobile line btw.) *Sigh* sounds like the marketing experts are at it again. James Like the author I'm only mildly surprised they've moved in that direction. The surprise is they've moved that fast. I am concerned that they'll cut their noses off to spite their faces with this one though. The brand is the most important thing they have. And not supporting a free OS may find them not getting any new customers who might have downloaded/purchased boxed sets/etc for a test drive before jumping in. OTOH, they have deals with IBM, our friends today but who knows what tomorrow, and others to bundle their Enterprise stuff so maybe it will work out for them. That seems to leave just Mandrake and SuSE for the desktop and we both know which is better in that enviornment, don't we? :) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Nows the time to Move.
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:33:22PM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. Everything has moved to the Fedora project from there forward. [...] This is old news. That change has been discussed to death on almost all RH related mailing lists for the past months... :-} I think it's a valid move for them, as they've built up a good reputation with business, so they want to strengthen their brand in that market. Personally (as a long time RH user), I think it's a pity they're moving away from the original crowd, which included many home users like me. Hence, for me this change was the main reason to take a look at Mandrake, though I will give Fedora a try as well (having more than one computer is fun... ;-) ). On the other hand, I've already heard from many other SOHO users that they will move to Red Hat Personal Workstation, which is the smallest of their new offerings and clocks in at about $100 (including support). That's far too much for what I have in mind, though, and I don't need the support. Anyway, I wish good luck to them and I'm curious how Fedora will develop. After all, choice is good! :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
John Wilson schrieb am Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:45:43 -0800: ...we both know which is better in that enviornment, don't we? :) Uh, excuse me, could you help me on that? ;-) Saw the big RH booth at the LWCE in Frankfurt last week. Lots of suits with red hats crawling around, jabbering with other suits. They had many small demo points for the various offers and Red Hat Linux products. There was NOT ONE SINGLE demo point of a normal desktop Linux distribution. It was enterprise all over. Not even a demo point for Fedora! Thinking back to last years LWCE here I remember lots of normal visitors crowded at the RH stand and RH giving away demo CDs for the hunter-gatherers. Or even this year's LinuxTag it was the same picture. Even some guys running around in shirtsleeves, No Jacket Required. All this has changed now. It's sad in a way. You could always point out from where we came and what a long way we've gone since then. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mozilla native builds won't underline fonts
Hey everybody, I just got a v1.5 native mozilla build from mozilla.org. But if HTML requires a font to be underlined - this mozilla does not underline it. However, the mozilla included in mandrake 9.2 does, and this mozilla.org build being used on redhat 7.3 also underlines fonts. This was also there when I tried to use native mozilla 1.2.1 instead of included 1.3 on mandrake 9.1. What could be the problem? I assume this is because this is a non-Xft build. But this is what I want. So, utext/u won't work as well as font style=text-decoration: underlinetext/font won't work too. I can send you links to screenshots if you want. Thanks for any help. Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] making the upgrade to 9.2 apache 1.3 or 2.x ?..
hi guys, I am in the middle of downloading the mandrake 9.2 iso's from a local server in Australia (no bandwidth charges if I get it from local mirror).. I didn't even know it was available for public download yet.. there is no reference to them being the RC's, and the last modified date is today.. The details are: MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk1of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 08:25 652M MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk2of3.i586.iso 03-Nov-2003 04:44 698M MandrakeLinux-9.2_disk3of3.i586.iso 04-Nov-2003 16:36 548M Anyway, assuming they are the real thing my next step will be to make a CD of all the updates up till now.. Then I will start trying to replace my 9.0 servers, (I need several newer packages then 9.0 came with and don't think compiling them from scatch is the best answer.). So, onto my question.. I currently use apache 1.3x on 9.0 and I am considering the change to 9.2 and apache 2.x I have many virtual name hosts, digital cert and stuff running on the current server, and I am concerned about how hard it its going to be to upgrade.. does apache 2 use the same Vhosts settings?? I heard something to the effect that http and http-perl are no longer seperate processes, is this true? what about integration with openSSL and the use of certs? has that changed much? Has anyone done this and is able to advise me of troubles I might face? I ask because several clients use this one server and its been rock solid on 9.0 hoping to not break that reliability.. Is there anything else I should be wary off or look into before/during/after I upgrade? (I will be upgrading a DNS bind server, a postfix/amavis-new/trophie mail server, irc server, mysql server etc...) One of these days I will get around to learning the ins and outs of Djbdns, but for now I'm stuck with Bind. kindest regards Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:33 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. I think someone sent me a link to an article where Fedora is shaking hands with Debian to use either each others apps or something like that? Sorry it is long gone, and I can't recall from whence it came. Charlie -- When your perception only equals that of your teacher, you lessen the teacher's virtue by half. When your perception goes beyond the teacher, only then can you express the teacher's teaching. - Fayan This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] minor annoyance
Hi this is minor, this machine has had kernel upgrades as they became available, ie, from 2.4.22-10 2.4.22-18 2.4.22-21 after upgrading to 2.4.22-18 the nice blue screen disappeared at startup ( the one with 9.2 in the bottom RH corner) It still starts up as graphical lilo then drops to text mode. the other machines went from 2.4.22-10 to 2.4.22-21 and all is normal with them. Just a bit strange thats all, it dos'nt effect the operation of this machine, just curious as to why. Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:45 pm, many eyes noted that John Wilson wrote: On November 3, 2003 08:33 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp I recall now that Debian was going to use Anaconda as its installer and it had something to do with Arts Technica or something like that? Something along those lines. Charlie -- Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison. -- Henry David Thoreau This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] NTFS file copy permissions
On Monday 03 Nov 2003 6:10 pm, Brian Sands wrote: Hello, I recently copied various pdf files and folders from an NTFS partition on my computer over to my Mandrake 9.2 distro; and I am having some issues. When running ls -l as a user, it says that I own the file; and I get the same permissions when running ls -l as root. Yet, I am unable to enact any changes when running chmod as a user (who owns the file) OR as root. I noticed that all of the pdf files have a trailing * which I assume to mean the file is an excutable. However, any pdf's that I download while using linux do not show up with a trailing *. I am also unable to change any permissions on directories that I transferred over from an NTFS partition. What am I missing here; and how do I fix this? The NTFS permissions were probably everybody, full access which is why you are getting execute permission added. To change permissions on Linux you need write access to the directory, not the file. But root should be able to set everything. Check the permissions of each directory above the files. They must have read and execute permission for the user that is trying to read the file. HTH, -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] minor annoyance
after upgrading to 2.4.22-18 the nice blue screen disappeared at startup ( the one with 9.2 in the bottom RH corner) It still starts up as graphical lilo then drops to text mode. In order to have graphical boot mode, you need to have 800x600 frame buffer mode. The installation might have changed it to other mode. Checkout your /etc/lilo.conf. My config was like this to have 800x600 mode: ... image=/boot/vmlinuz label=mdk_linux root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append=devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent read-only vga=788 ^^^ your vga mode ... You should have vga=788 in your boot kernel. Also, splash=silent append option changes the boot look (didn't test this - it probably changes to verbose mode just if you pressed esc). I have vga=791 for 1024x768 console, for example - just because I love the oldschool kernel boot mode :-) Good luck and hope this works for you. Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] XFree86 -nolisten
Hello, I just found out why my xhosts haven't worked since 9.1. It looks like X is set by default to '-nolisten' and with the amount of searching I did, I couldn't find where this option is set on starting Xserver. If someone could point me to the correct place? -- Seppo Jarvinen,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never trust an operating system Kenttäkatu 9 A 2,76100 PIEKSÄMÄKIyou don't have sources for. GSM +358 40 568 1756 You never know what you're facing Power the World, With Linux! unless you dare to LOOK AT IT. Technology lies on the leading edge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] USB woes
At the weekend my usb hub stopped working. All lights went out, nothing recognised. I bought a Belkin 4-port usb2/1.1 hub. Since then I have had problems. This morning I tried to run GnomeMeeting and it crashed. Now I find that I have a power light on the hub, but no green connection lights. Neither printer, scanner nor webcam are found by the system. This is obviously crippling me. Has anyone any ideas? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] USB woes
Unplug the hub and plug a single device into the port on the PC. If it works then its the hub, if not, try all the devices you had plugged into the hub one at a time, cos it might just be your first choice that's stopping everything. If all fails its then down to the machine/operating system. :o) Do one thing at a time and you should soon find the reason. -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2003 12:51:pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] USB woes At the weekend my usb hub stopped working. All lights went out, nothing recognised. I bought a Belkin 4-port usb2/1.1 hub. Since then I have had problems. This morning I tried to run GnomeMeeting and it crashed. Now I find that I have a power light on the hub, but no green connection lights. Neither printer, scanner nor webcam are found by the system. This is obviously crippling me. Has anyone any ideas? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree86 -nolisten
On Tuesday, November 4, 2003 06:41 am, Seppo Jarvinen wrote: Hello, I just found out why my xhosts haven't worked since 9.1. It looks like X is set by default to '-nolisten' and with the amount of searching I did, I couldn't find where this option is set on starting Xserver. If someone could point me to the correct place? grep -R nolisten /etc/* should list all the config files with that set. However, msec (man msec, mseclib) may rewrite any manual changes you make. If that's the case, you'll have to create a /etc/security/msec/level.local file with allow_x_connections and allow_xserver_to_listen set to your liking. See http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php for a useful, if dated, HOWTO. HTH, Arn PS - Also look at Mandrake Control Center. There's some sort of msec gui there. It didn't work very well last I looked, but that was a while ago. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFree86 -nolisten
Found it by pure mistake :) It's actually in GDM Config. There's an option to disallow listening and it seems it's on by default... On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:29, AAW wrote: On Tuesday, November 4, 2003 06:41 am, Seppo Jarvinen wrote: Hello, I just found out why my xhosts haven't worked since 9.1. It looks like X is set by default to '-nolisten' and with the amount of searching I did, I couldn't find where this option is set on starting Xserver. If someone could point me to the correct place? grep -R nolisten /etc/* should list all the config files with that set. However, msec (man msec, mseclib) may rewrite any manual changes you make. If that's the case, you'll have to create a /etc/security/msec/level.local file with allow_x_connections and allow_xserver_to_listen set to your liking. See http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php for a useful, if dated, HOWTO. HTH, Arn PS - Also look at Mandrake Control Center. There's some sort of msec gui there. It didn't work very well last I looked, but that was a while ago. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Seppo Jarvinen,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never trust an operating system Kenttäkatu 9 A 2,76100 PIEKSÄMÄKIyou don't have sources for. GSM +358 40 568 1756 You never know what you're facing Power the World, With Linux! unless you dare to LOOK AT IT. Technology lies on the leading edge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Redhat discontinued? was: Re: [expert] Mandrake Clubs
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:59, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 17:02, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 07:01 pm, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 02 November 2003 09:03 am, Brian V Bonini wrote: Not exactly a tech questions but: Where can I find a list of differences between the different club membership levels, assuming there are differences? Brian: The Club FAQ gives some help, although IMHO it could be more complete: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=1294mode=nocomments -- cmg I agree they need to be more clear. They explain Standard vs Silver and above. But not Silver vs Gold, or Gold vs Platinum. It would be nice to get some special stuff as a Gold or Platinum user, like real ftp of iso's instead of bittorrent... :) Brian: Gold and Platinum memberships are targeted at corporate sponsors -- as in folks with big bucks to spend. I don't think that they get any special benefits beyond those of a Silver member. -- cmg And it works like an umbrella membership for all employee systems. James Thanks for the info, just looking to support it in some way so we don't end up like RedHat. I must be slow on getting news this week but I just learned of this: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Probably a good time for mdk to have their ducks in a row, I'm guessing there will be RH users looking to move elsewhere since RH is bailing on them. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Red Hat ends free product line
What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. James S. Lawson Network Manager Brown Raysman Millstein Felder Steiner 900 Third Avenue New York, NY 10022 Tel: (212) 895-2679 (@ @) oOO--(_)--OOo- Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Er, not really. The RPM standard is GPL and many distributions use it for packaging. When Mandrake got its start it was basically RH compiled for i586 with KDE installed, but things have changed since 1998 or so. msec, urpmi, the Drak tools, different handling of internationalization, it's not RH any more. On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 06:37, Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. James S. Lawson Network Manager Brown Raysman Millstein Felder Steiner 900 Third Avenue New York, NY 10022 Tel: (212) 895-2679 (@ @) oOO--(_)--OOo- Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. No, That used to be the case.. nowdays mandrake rolls its own RPM's and has for some time now... I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of redhat users looking around for a new distro... rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
I hope so. -Original Message- From: Franki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. No, That used to be the case.. nowdays mandrake rolls its own RPM's and has for some time now... I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of redhat users looking around for a new distro... rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:37:48AM -0500, Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? Potentially more users? :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. Franki wrote: No, The reason I moved to mandrake was that it is not redhat. :-) I had RH 7.3 running for more than a year. Then RH 8.0 came out and it was crap. Then I tried mdk 9.0 and was impressed but was too lazy to migrate. Then I installed mdk 9.1 and - uhmmm, interesting. I didn't even think to look at RH 9.0. And finally with 9.2 - it got me! - I migrated my whole thing (development, databases etc.) to it and I'm very happy! I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of redhat users looking around for a new distro... Yes, I just talked to a friend of mine that keeps on using RedHats and I told him: what will you do? He said I dunno Then I offered him mandrake to try out... :-) I think mandrake has a great future as a world's no.1 desktop, multimedia and development distro. The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no problems compiling sources. Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
I like mandrake 9.0. 9.1 was disappointing. I hope as soon as the ISO are ready I can download and try 9.2. If its better than 9.0 and 9.1 I will buy it. I really like the way I can download things and install them with out a problem on Red hat. Mandrake must use different places they store files in. Cause every time I download a rpm and install it the program never works. I have to uninstall it. I really like the urpmi. It is so cool. -Original Message- From: Artemio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line Lawson, Jim wrote: What does this mean for the future of Mandrake? I know that Mandrake is based on red hat's rpm's.. Franki wrote: No, The reason I moved to mandrake was that it is not redhat. :-) I had RH 7.3 running for more than a year. Then RH 8.0 came out and it was crap. Then I tried mdk 9.0 and was impressed but was too lazy to migrate. Then I installed mdk 9.1 and - uhmmm, interesting. I didn't even think to look at RH 9.0. And finally with 9.2 - it got me! - I migrated my whole thing (development, databases etc.) to it and I'm very happy! I imagine this is good news for mandrake as there will be a ton of redhat users looking around for a new distro... Yes, I just talked to a friend of mine that keeps on using RedHats and I told him: what will you do? He said I dunno Then I offered him mandrake to try out... :-) I think mandrake has a great future as a world's no.1 desktop, multimedia and development distro. The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no problems compiling sources. Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? Strange times ahead . . . Comments? -- Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fox Consulting Services Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] minor annoyance
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:24, Artemio wrote: after upgrading to 2.4.22-18 the nice blue screen disappeared at startup ( the one with 9.2 in the bottom RH corner) It still starts up as graphical lilo then drops to text mode. In order to have graphical boot mode, you need to have 800x600 frame buffer mode. The installation might have changed it to other mode. Checkout your /etc/lilo.conf. My config was like this to have 800x600 mode: ... image=/boot/vmlinuz label=mdk_linux root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append=devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent read-only vga=788 ^^^ your vga mode Thanks for the reply, checked my lilo.conf, and its in, also tried adding splash=silent , but that made no difference boot=/dev/hda vga=normal default=win4lin keytable=/boot/uk.klt prompt nowarn timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/win4lin label=win4lin root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append=quiet noapic devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent vga=788 read-only strange that ! Richard -- Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:15:17 +0200 Artemio [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no problems compiling sources. I must say, for all the blabber I hear about Mandrake not following those standards, I have not had a problem since 9.0 with building anything from source due to non-standard locations of shared objects, with one exception: pygtk2. but even that was apparently resolved in 9.1, because I didn't have to ./configure --prefix=/usr as I had before. This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If we do not change our direction we are likely to end up where we are headed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
I know Novell needs this to get back in the game against MS. I think it's a good move. They were always Number 1 in networking until MS under priced them out. I know a lot of people might say this is bad for Linux but I think it's good. Novell has serious network experience and was a serious server and to endorse Linux says a lot. -Original Message- From: Robert Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake? Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? Strange times ahead . . . Comments? -- Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fox Consulting Services Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
For the curious, here's Novell's press release: http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/11/pr03069.html Cheerio, Thomas -- - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:22, HaywireMac wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:15:17 +0200 Artemio [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The main thing for mdk cookers to keep in mind is compatibility with other distros - just to be sure there will be no problems compiling sources. I must say, for all the blabber I hear about Mandrake not following those standards, I have not had a problem since 9.0 with building anything from source due to non-standard locations of shared objects, with one exception: pygtk2. but even that was apparently resolved in 9.1, because I didn't have to ./configure --prefix=/usr as I had before. This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? yup -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 3:17 pm, Robert Fox wrote: Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? Can't help but think that companies that have been acquired by Novell in the past don't appear to have had a happy future. Strange times ahead . . . Comments? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:17:54 +0100 Robert Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? Strange times ahead . . . But could you, or perhaps more appropriately, *want to*, buy Mandrake? It would be kinda like buying Debian, you'd just be getting the name, you would be faced with the *hundreds* of community volunteers jumping ship, and that is really what makes Mandrake a distro, all those package maintainers who do it for nothing. Suse and RedHat are different beasts entirely, from what I can see, most of the construction of the various components that make up the distros is done in house by paid developers, hence they are not really free as in beer distros. Have I got this straight? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Your wig steers the gig. -- Lord Buckley Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:38:30 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: yup LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Of all men's miseries, the bitterest is this: to know so much and have control over nothing. -- Herodotus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:49, HaywireMac wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:38:30 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: yup LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? Man, nobody reads my mind properly... I guess the AFDB is working :-) Yup, it's LSB. standard file system, standard compiler and glibc conventions. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? yup Would that be a yup to the LSB, or a yup to something different? -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 07:58:27 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Man, nobody reads my mind properly... I guess the AFDB is working :-) Yup, it's LSB. standard file system, standard compiler and glibc conventions. Gotcha, thanks! -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ It is not doing the thing we like to do, but liking the thing we have to do, that makes life blessed. -- Goethe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
yup LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? Now you're scaring me, man! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
But could you, or perhaps more appropriately, *want to*, buy Mandrake? It would be kinda like buying Debian, you'd just be getting the name, you would be faced with the *hundreds* of community volunteers jumping ship, and that is really what makes Mandrake a distro, all those package maintainers who do it for nothing. Suse and RedHat are different beasts entirely, from what I can see, most of the construction of the various components that make up the distros is done in house by paid developers, hence they are not really free as in beer distros. Have I got this straight? Agree with you absolutely! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? Well, I didn't mean I had any problems compiling anything on mdk. I just say cookers must keep this good thing!!! :-) Maybe I'm not exactly correct, but there should be a binary compatibility as well. Because sometimes you have an old, old binary that you can't get sources of and it simply doesn't work - segfaults all the time. But all other binaries from rh 7.3 work fine. I have one old but great software synthesizer - juno6. It was released by some guys for free, but not opensource. It runs on redhat 7.3 perfectly but on mandrake it crashes immediately with a segfault. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Eric Huff wrote: yup LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? Now you're scaring me, man! Damn, this thread is LOL!!! Keep on chatting, guys! :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:16:42 +0200 Artemio [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Agree with you absolutely! Well, that doesn't happen every day... ;-) -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ A priest advised Voltaire on his death bed to renounce the devil. Replied Voltaire, This is no time to make new enemies. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Nest year
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RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
juno6 was a cool keyboard. -Original Message- From: Artemio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? Well, I didn't mean I had any problems compiling anything on mdk. I just say cookers must keep this good thing!!! :-) Maybe I'm not exactly correct, but there should be a binary compatibility as well. Because sometimes you have an old, old binary that you can't get sources of and it simply doesn't work - segfaults all the time. But all other binaries from rh 7.3 work fine. I have one old but great software synthesizer - juno6. It was released by some guys for free, but not opensource. It runs on redhat 7.3 perfectly but on mandrake it crashes immediately with a segfault. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
How to reverse insmod (wasRe: [expert] USB woes)
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 12:58 pm, Ken Walker wrote: Unplug the hub and plug a single device into the port on the PC. If it works then its the hub, if not, try all the devices you had plugged into the hub one at a time, cos it might just be your first choice that's stopping everything. If all fails its then down to the machine/operating system. :o) Do one thing at a time and you should soon find the reason. I could not get usb working again at all. I tried everything plugged in directly, but no joy. I then booted to another kernel, started the driver module with a manual insmod, and all the usb stuff works. I have come to the conclusion that GnomeMeeting with the pwcx driver module is not compatible with the win4lin patched kernel. I therefore tried to get rid of it - and have ended up with a big problem. I took the insmod line out of modules.conf and rebooted, but I am still seeing finding module dependencies: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/misc/pwcx-2.4.20.0 so it must still be loading the module, I think. Anyway, it gets to probing the hardware, and freezes. There has to be a way of finding and deleting the startup line that is causing it. Any pointers, please? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
Well, that doesn't happen every day... ;-) :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Lawson, Jim wrote: juno6 was a cool keyboard. Yes... Aghh... those sweet analogues... :-) So, are you a keyboard player? Just asking because I am (since 13 years). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
Guitar for 20 years keyboards for 5... -Original Message- From: Artemio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line Lawson, Jim wrote: juno6 was a cool keyboard. Yes... Aghh... those sweet analogues... :-) So, are you a keyboard player? Just asking because I am (since 13 years). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
Lawson, Jim wrote: I know Novell needs this to get back in the game against MS. I think it's a good move. They were always Number 1 in networking until MS under priced them out. I know a lot of people might say this is bad for Linux but I think it's good. Novell has serious network experience and was a serious server and to endorse Linux says a lot. -Original Message- From: Robert Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake? Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? Strange times ahead . . . Comments? This could be very good for mandrake... first redhat drops out of the free desktop arena... Then SUSE gets aquired by Novel which is much more likely to target the enterprise market as well... That leaves Mandrake as the biggest contender in the desktop market.. possibly the only newbie friendly one left (apart from Lindows and Xandros, which don't have free versions to bring the newbies in...) rgds Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
Franki schrieb am Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:46:23 +0800: That leaves Mandrake as the biggest contender in the desktop market.. possibly the only newbie friendly one left (apart from Lindows and Xandros, which don't have free versions to bring the newbies in...) That may be true for people who care for such issues like SuSE/Novell. Newbies who buy newbie friendly distros don't even know there may be an issue. Here in Germany, the only area SuSE plays a prominent role, SuSE will stay on top for long because it's a German speaking company, because they have an infrastructure all over the place (training centers, resellers, business consultants, etc.). It's like you open a phone directory and look for Linux, SuSE pops up in the first 200 entries. There aren't many Germans who vote for Buy German like it is in large parts of the USA but the direct contact via local phone calls and native tongue support pays out. If Mandrake could afford to establish one or two offices in Germany with German speaking supporters and sales reps, they could cut a fair share of the cake, but not otherwise. It's really amazing how many Mandrake users there are in Germany, though. Our German language MandrakeUser.de has met the 300 registered users mark after 14 days and is still growing. We had more than 3000 forum entries in 2 weeks and still growing. Maybe we can help getting some of SuSE's share. ;-) wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 03:22, Charlie wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 06:45 pm, many eyes noted that John Wilson wrote: On November 3, 2003 08:33 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp I recall now that Debian was going to use Anaconda as its installer and it had something to do with Arts Technica or something like that? Something along those lines. Charlie Progeny did the port. http://pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=7924 If you want the link Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:23, Charlie wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:33 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. I think someone sent me a link to an article where Fedora is shaking hands with Debian to use either each others apps or something like that? Sorry it is long gone, and I can't recall from whence it came. Charlie And to add to the confusion Novell just bought SuSE and Nestle bought google. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] minor annoyance
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 04:24, Artemio wrote: after upgrading to 2.4.22-18 the nice blue screen disappeared at startup ( the one with 9.2 in the bottom RH corner) It still starts up as graphical lilo then drops to text mode. In order to have graphical boot mode, you need to have 800x600 frame buffer mode. The installation might have changed it to other mode. Checkout your /etc/lilo.conf. My config was like this to have 800x600 mode: ... Wonder why the ability to do larger than 800x600 in fb was dropped. hmmm explains why I can't get FB on my 9.2 box when I had it in 9.1. James image=/boot/vmlinuz label=mdk_linux root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append=devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent read-only vga=788 ^^^ your vga mode ... You should have vga=788 in your boot kernel. Also, splash=silent append option changes the boot look (didn't test this - it probably changes to verbose mode just if you pressed esc). I have vga=791 for 1024x768 console, for example - just because I love the oldschool kernel boot mode :-) Good luck and hope this works for you. Artemio. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 7:02 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: There aren't many Germans who vote for Buy German like it is in large parts of the USA but the direct contact via local phone calls and native tongue support pays out. Inevitably. Our German language MandrakeUser.de has met the 300 registered users mark after 14 days and is still growing. We had more than 3000 forum entries in 2 weeks and still growing. Maybe we can help getting some of SuSE's share. ;-) I wonder if MandrakeSoft realise what a marketable resource you have there? I wonder how they can be made aware of it? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 08:01, Eric Huff wrote: This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? yup Would that be a yup to the LSB, or a yup to something different? I could be a real a$$ and just say yup here again. But it's IMHO a combination of MDK moving more in line with the LSB. and the developers recognizing that LSB is real and leveraging it. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 08:17, Artemio wrote: This must be due to Mandrake's signing on to the LSB? Or is that something different? Well, I didn't mean I had any problems compiling anything on mdk. I just say cookers must keep this good thing!!! :-) Maybe I'm not exactly correct, but there should be a binary compatibility as well. Because sometimes you have an old, old binary that you can't get sources of and it simply doesn't work - segfaults all the time. But all other binaries from rh 7.3 work fine. I have one old but great software synthesizer - juno6. It was released by some guys for free, but not opensource. It runs on redhat 7.3 perfectly but on mandrake it crashes immediately with a segfault. The difference in libs between RH7.3 (MDK 8.2 time) and now are so great as to make a number of older compiled binaries choke. The biggest difference is that RH7.3(MDK8.2) is compiled with gcc2.9x and now it's gcc3.x The incompatibility is there. Remember that the distro's aren't Linux, but rather packagers of Linux. So they are subject to the problems there. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:47, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 3:17 pm, Robert Fox wrote: Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? Can't help but think that companies that have been acquired by Novell in the past don't appear to have had a happy future. Strange times ahead . . . Comments? Anne Anne, Ya got me thinking. And it's true. The other funny part is every time they buy a Unix product it's in the middle of a lawsuit and ends up being owned by SCO *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 11:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Franki schrieb am Wed, 05 Nov 2003 00:46:23 +0800: That leaves Mandrake as the biggest contender in the desktop market.. possibly the only newbie friendly one left (apart from Lindows and Xandros, which don't have free versions to bring the newbies in...) That may be true for people who care for such issues like SuSE/Novell. Newbies who buy newbie friendly distros don't even know there may be an issue. Here in Germany, the only area SuSE plays a prominent role, SuSE will stay on top for long because it's a German speaking company, because they have an infrastructure all over the place (training centers, resellers, business consultants, etc.). It's like you open a phone directory and look for Linux, SuSE pops up in the first 200 entries. There aren't many Germans who vote for Buy German like it is in large parts of the USA but the direct contact via local phone calls and native tongue support pays out. If Mandrake could afford to establish one or two offices in Germany with German speaking supporters and sales reps, they could cut a fair share of the cake, but not otherwise. It's really amazing how many Mandrake users there are in Germany, though. Our German language MandrakeUser.de has met the 300 registered users mark after 14 days and is still growing. We had more than 3000 forum entries in 2 weeks and still growing. Maybe we can help getting some of SuSE's share. ;-) wobo Not to disagree with a single word you said, but I read an strange one the other day. Seems that the #1 distro in Russia is MDK, or variants off of it. curious. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
Anne Wilson schrieb am Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:15:31 +: I wonder if MandrakeSoft realise what a marketable resource you have there? I wonder how they can be made aware of it? They know. As Mandrake webslave I have a steady contact with Gaël and François is not further away than my mail app here. They offered the site to be hosted on a MandrakeSoft server (because I told them that our web hoster runs his servers on SuSE ;-) ). But the point is: our site is a private user project and I decided to stay free of all continuous sponsoring from anybody. So we can always claim to be independent from anybody. Basically we have 2 principles we stick to: Mandrake-Issues only German language only. All articles/HowTos are written to be followed step by step on a standard Mandrake installation. So, we differ from most other sites where you have a mix of languages or a mix of distributions or both. Compare it to the site Tom Berger has founded (except that it was in English and he was sponsored by MDK). BTW: There are people working on a German translation of the MandrakeUser.org docs which will be hosted in our docu section. Enough advertising, sorry, but it's my baby and I feel like a dad when Junior show his first smile :) (Although he has some uncles who care as well!) wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 7:46 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Anne Wilson schrieb am Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:15:31 +: I wonder if MandrakeSoft realise what a marketable resource you have there? I wonder how they can be made aware of it? Enough advertising, sorry, but it's my baby and I feel like a dad when Junior show his first smile :) (Although he has some uncles who care as well!) And I should think so too g Not to do away with your independence, but I would think that MandrakeSoft need to think about how your efforts (and ours on the TWiki for that matter) can remain independant but still be exploited in selling the distro. There must be very many people like me who would simply not have made it without the list support, and these sites are in a way an extension of that user-to-user support. I'm rambling, but I'm sure you know what I mean. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
The difference in libs between RH7.3 (MDK 8.2 time) and now are so great as to make a number of older compiled binaries choke. The biggest difference is that RH7.3(MDK8.2) is compiled with gcc2.9x and now it's gcc3.x The incompatibility is there. Remember that the distro's aren't Linux, but rather packagers of Linux. So they are subject to the problems there. Of course we're talking of Linux as a distro, not the kernel. Well, this kind of slight (or not slight?) backwards incompatibility has always been a bit of disappointment. And frankly, redhat 7.3 lives on my /dev/hda4 just to run than juno6!!! :-) But hey - there are at least 300 _known_ distros, so what can you do... Oh - 300 and one! I just remembered that I recently made my own Linux from scratch on a 128 MB FlashIDE disk :-) And, by the way, my installer is very fast and simple: dd /mnt/cdrom/disk.img /dev/hda1 :-) Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:33:19 -0800: Not to disagree with a single word you said, but I read an strange one the other day. Seems that the #1 distro in Russia is MDK, or variants off of it. curious. We have a very determined girl there as webslave who does the Mandrake Linux website in Russian and cares for a mailinglist and stuff like that. Again it's a user contribution. Poland is similar. Mandrake gained a lot in Poland since the site is in polski language. There is even a real joint venture in the pipe line. Language support is one of the most important assets we have worldwide, provided by Mandrake users. This is one of the main differences between RH, SuSE on one side and Mandrake on the other side. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] another KMail filters question...
So, I have KMail filters working and everytime I check mail it pops up a window where I select whether I want to get the mail, keep it on server or delete from server. However, the default action is to keep the message on server, so that if I receive 50 mails - I have to switch 50 radio buttons to get them. Is there a way to make download action default? Thanks! Artemio. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] another KMail filters question...
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 8:13 pm, Artemio wrote: So, I have KMail filters working and everytime I check mail it pops up a window where I select whether I want to get the mail, keep it on server or delete from server. However, the default action is to keep the message on server, so that if I receive 50 mails - I have to switch 50 radio buttons to get them. Is there a way to make download action default? I don't know if you are using a later version that mine (1.5) but in Settings Configure KMail Network you can select your account name on the receiving tab, then Modify. There is a check box for 'Delete message from server after fetching' Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
The sequel to RH 9 is Fedora, next issue is ???. Still free. See: http://fedora.redhat.com/ Severn is the code name. RCT Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
Anne Wilson schrieb am Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:55:37 +: Not to do away with your independence, but I would think that MandrakeSoft need to think about how your efforts (and ours on the TWiki for that matter) can remain independant but still be exploited in selling the distro. There must be very many people like me who would simply not have made it without the list support, and these sites are in a way an extension of that user-to-user support. OK, a start is the Other resources page on the Mandrake Linux site http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/others.php3 which is of course available in the different languages. You can write to an address and your site will be listed there. Of course the TWiki is already listed there. Then they have a list of links on the greeting page which is displayed as standard Home in the browser. This list should be language dependent (according to the locales setting) and it should be updated. Another thing is sponsoring of events. Nothing big, but sometimes really efficient. Example: I get a mail of a German user who puts up a LAN party. Gamers, stale coke, cold pizza, all the bellswhistles. They ask for things like T-Shirts, a PowerPack or something Mandrake could give. Even inviting me to do a demo in the lobby. But such things are out of the question at the moment. Lets do our best and hope for the worst - or was it the other way round? wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:16, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: James Sparenberg schrieb am Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:33:19 -0800: Not to disagree with a single word you said, but I read an strange one the other day. Seems that the #1 distro in Russia is MDK, or variants off of it. curious. We have a very determined girl there as webslave who does the Mandrake Linux website in Russian and cares for a mailinglist and stuff like that. Again it's a user contribution. Poland is similar. Mandrake gained a lot in Poland since the site is in polski language. There is even a real joint venture in the pipe line. Language support is one of the most important assets we have worldwide, provided by Mandrake users. This is one of the main differences between RH, SuSE on one side and Mandrake on the other side. wobo In a way this makes sense, in that everyone does English, so MDK's inroads have been less dramatic. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] another KMail filters question...
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 03:13 pm, Artemio wrote: So, I have KMail filters working and everytime I check mail it pops up a window where I select whether I want to get the mail, keep it on server or delete from server. However, the default action is to keep the message on server, so that if I receive 50 mails - I have to switch 50 radio buttons to get them. Is there a way to make download action default? Thanks! Artemio. Please check that you have filters configured not pop filters. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:02, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:23, Charlie wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:33 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. I think someone sent me a link to an article where Fedora is shaking hands with Debian to use either each others apps or something like that? Sorry it is long gone, and I can't recall from whence it came. Charlie And to add to the confusion Novell just bought SuSE and Nestle bought google. The heck with all this, I'm moving to FreeBSD.. ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Cooker update with newer packages
I've noticed that Cooker contains KDE 3.1.4, Mozilla 1.4, Evolution 1.4.4 and other packages that have newer versions. Is there a timeframe for when these will be updated. Just curious. -- Cheers, Trey --- Thieves respect property; they merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. -- G.K. Chesterton, The Man Who Was Thursday signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] another KMail filters question...
Salane KIng wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 03:13 pm, Artemio wrote: So, I have KMail filters working and everytime I check mail it pops up a window where I select whether I want to get the mail, keep it on server or delete from server. However, the default action is to keep the message on server, so that if I receive 50 mails - I have to switch 50 radio buttons to get them. Is there a way to make download action default? Please check that you have filters configured not pop filters. I have them configured - but they apply only on received mail, don't they? I need all messages that I get from pop server to have a download now radio button to be default. Currently the download later button is deafult as I wrote. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 13:09, Brian V Bonini wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 14:02, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:23, Charlie wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:33 pm, many eyes noted that James Sparenberg wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. I think someone sent me a link to an article where Fedora is shaking hands with Debian to use either each others apps or something like that? Sorry it is long gone, and I can't recall from whence it came. Charlie And to add to the confusion Novell just bought SuSE and Nestle bought google. The heck with all this, I'm moving to FreeBSD.. ;-) They've been there done this... *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
Brian V Bonini wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. I think someone sent me a link to an article where Fedora is shaking hands with Debian to use either each others apps or something like that? Sorry it is long gone, and I can't recall from whence it came. Charlie And to add to the confusion Novell just bought SuSE and Nestle bought google. The heck with all this, I'm moving to FreeBSD.. ; Move on, brother! FreeBSD rocks, especially as a server. Mandrake is poised to rock the workstation. All is good in the land of the big penguin... drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Engineer http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.htm Let him that would move the world, first move himself. --Socrates Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Clubs
Brian: Gold and Platinum memberships are targeted at corporate sponsors -- as in folks with big bucks to spend. I don't think that they get any special benefits beyond those of a Silver member. -- cmg No, they have a seprate thing for corprate sponsors. The standard is $2,500. You have to call mandrake to get a quote on Silver or Platinum. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/corporateclub/benefits Corprate club is a completly different animal than the regular club. For those who do not want a corprate-club account, but would like a regular club account, don't get anything special if they get Gold or Platinum. I think this should be changed... And it works like an umbrella membership for all employee systems. Only with a corprate club membership. -- Bryan Whitehead SysAdmin - JPL - Interferometry and Large Optical Systems Phone: 818 354 2903 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] another KMail filters question...
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 8:13 pm, Artemio wrote: So, I have KMail filters working and everytime I check mail it pops up a window where I select whether I want to get the mail, keep it on server or delete from server. However, the default action is to keep the message on server, so that if I receive 50 mails - I have to switch 50 radio buttons to get them. Is there a way to make download action default? I don't know if you are using a later version that mine (1.5) but in Settings Configure KMail Network you can select your account name on the receiving tab, then Modify. There is a check box for 'Delete message from server after fetching' Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Cyrus-imapd
Hi, I just installed cyrus-imapd-2.1.15-6mdk on my 9.2 box. Should I create users for /etc/postfix/aliases or should I just create them in cyrus? The cyrus-imapd package adds a cyrus user by default. Do I need to change its password? Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cyrus-imapd
Norman Zhang wrote: Hi, I just installed cyrus-imapd-2.1.15-6mdk on my 9.2 box. Should I create users for /etc/postfix/aliases or should I just create them in cyrus? You create *mailboxes* for users in cyrus and *aliasies* in postfix. Postfix will resolve aliases to mailboxes and will try to deliver messages to those mailboxes in cyrus. If the mailbox exist the message goes through, otherwise it will be befused by cyrus and bounced by postfix. The cyrus-imapd package adds a cyrus user by default. Do I need to change its password? Yes (it's in the README.RPM in the doc directory). Bye -- - Yo también quiero una Europa libre de Patentes de Software - - I want a Software Patents Free Europe too! And you? - --- EuropeSwPatentFree - http://EuropeSwPatentFree.hispalinux.es pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mandrake?
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 02:17, Robert Fox wrote: Would it have been better if Mandrake were acquired instead? I think not, sometimes when buy outs happen the activity in the projects seem to stop, Novell have been buying, they have purchased Ximian, now Suse Now on a different sight what the relationship between Mandrake and HP? Cheers Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 16:49, J.C. Woods wrote: Brian V Bonini wrote: OK, Guess what RH9 is the last Redhat distro to be released. At least as a free OS. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1371164,00.asp For the article. After next summer they will no longer support or release patches for RH. I think someone sent me a link to an article where Fedora is shaking hands with Debian to use either each others apps or something like that? Sorry it is long gone, and I can't recall from whence it came. Charlie And to add to the confusion Novell just bought SuSE and Nestle bought google. The heck with all this, I'm moving to FreeBSD.. ; Move on, brother! FreeBSD rocks, especially as a server. Mandrake is poised to rock the workstation. All is good in the land of the big penguin... Ironically enough that's exactly how I'm set up now, FreeBSD on all my servers and Mdk on all my workstations... :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Cyrus-imapd
Hi, I just installed cyrus-imapd-2.1.15-6mdk on my 9.2 box. Should I create users for /etc/postfix/aliases or should I just create them in cyrus? You create *mailboxes* for users in cyrus and *aliasies* in postfix. Postfix will resolve aliases to mailboxes and will try to deliver messages to those mailboxes in cyrus. If the mailbox exist the message goes through, otherwise it will be befused by cyrus and bounced by postfix. I read somewhere that I could create mailboxes for users in cyrus and don't need to useradd if only using MySQL. Is this correct? For example, if I'm to create a mailbox for myself, say nzhang and want to receive mail for address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do I just create a mailbox nzhang with alias nzhang: norman.zhang? The cyrus-imapd package adds a cyrus user by default. Do I need to change its password? Yes (it's in the README.RPM in the doc directory). Sorry I will read up on that again. BTW thanks for making the RPM available in Contrib. Regards, Norman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] HP Laptop hardware: zd7020
Hi Experts! I have posted the output of lspcidrake and lspci on this system... they are located here: http://www.physics.unr.edu/cshirley/misc/lspcidrake_hp-zd7020.txt http://www.physics.unr.edu/cshirley/misc/lspci_hp-zd7020.txt I have a few more days of use left on a HP pavilion zd7020 desktop replacement laptop computer. I have posted to the club website and to the cooker devel list, but with no responses. I am not looking to get help so much as to provide it. If there are any diagnostics I can run to help make this system usable for others with a linux bent, please let me know what to do, and I'll post the results! I have not done anything with the built-in wireless adapter, modem, PCMCIA cardslots, USB, nor IEEE 1394 hardware. If I can run some utility to test them without needing hardware, let me know, and I'll be happy to do it. Time is of the essence, as I have to turn this system back in on the coming Saturday! (08 Nov 2003) Many thanks! For the most part, Mandrake 9.2 installed well, except: The touchpad/scrollpad did had to be reconfigured after being installed as a generic PS/2 mouse. Selecting generic PS/2 w/scrolling at install time resulted in an unusable mouse-pad during the install. Re-configuring as ipms2 after install, it works fine. There are serious issues with the sound card and the artsd. Running the artsd causes some very angry sounds to come out of the speakers... All seems well with arts suspended. The 4-in-1 memory reader, CB710 Cardbus Controller (4 in 1 reader) was not detected, and does not appear to be usable. The WVA display was not properly configured. I had to manually calculate the proper mode-line entries to make it work. The native resolution is 1440x900. Once I geve XFree86 the right modeline, all seems to be well. The installer had no problem with the GeForce FX Go 6500 graphics adapter. Thanks! -Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
2 questions: 1. Doesn't RH have to make the source available? I thought that was the deal with GPL. 2. Just what does SuSE stand for, anyway ;-) Phil On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:19:27 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Wilson schrieb am Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:45:43 -0800: ...we both know which is better in that enviornment, don't we? :) Uh, excuse me, could you help me on that? ;-) Saw the big RH booth at the LWCE in Frankfurt last week. Lots of suits with red hats crawling around, jabbering with other suits. They had many small demo points for the various offers and Red Hat Linux products. There was NOT ONE SINGLE demo point of a normal desktop Linux distribution. It was enterprise all over. Not even a demo point for Fedora! Thinking back to last years LWCE here I remember lots of normal visitors crowded at the RH stand and RH giving away demo CDs for the hunter-gatherers. Or even this year's LinuxTag it was the same picture. Even some guys running around in shirtsleeves, No Jacket Required. All this has changed now. It's sad in a way. You could always point out from where we came and what a long way we've gone since then. wobo -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 www.mandrakesoft.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Nows the time to Move.
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:27, Phil G. wrote: 2 questions: 1. Doesn't RH have to make the source available? I thought that was the deal with GPL. they have to make it available in the same way they make binaries available. Beyond that it's choice. They also have to send patches back to the author. Available and at no charge are two different animals. 2. Just what does SuSE stand for, anyway ;-) No one knows *grin* Phil On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:19:27 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Wilson schrieb am Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:45:43 -0800: ...we both know which is better in that enviornment, don't we? :) Uh, excuse me, could you help me on that? ;-) Saw the big RH booth at the LWCE in Frankfurt last week. Lots of suits with red hats crawling around, jabbering with other suits. They had many small demo points for the various offers and Red Hat Linux products. There was NOT ONE SINGLE demo point of a normal desktop Linux distribution. It was enterprise all over. Not even a demo point for Fedora! Thinking back to last years LWCE here I remember lots of normal visitors crowded at the RH stand and RH giving away demo CDs for the hunter-gatherers. Or even this year's LinuxTag it was the same picture. Even some guys running around in shirtsleeves, No Jacket Required. All this has changed now. It's sad in a way. You could always point out from where we came and what a long way we've gone since then. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake isn't the only CD-killer out there!
While MDK 9.2 might have been the first distribution to get its name in the news for destroying CD-ROMs, I saw a posting on the Gentoo website this evening that someone killed their LG CD-ROM by installing Gentoo. Of course that doesn't help the bad press that Mandrake has had. LeRoy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On November 4, 2003 08:12 am, Eric Huff wrote: yup LOL! yup it's something different, or yup that's what LSB means? Now you're scaring me, man! Haywire's main role in life is to scare as many people as he can. Just as his good buddy Earnie Eves. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake isn't the only CD-killer out there!
On November 4, 2003 05:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While MDK 9.2 might have been the first distribution to get its name in the news for destroying CD-ROMs, I saw a posting on the Gentoo website this evening that someone killed their LG CD-ROM by installing Gentoo. Of course that doesn't help the bad press that Mandrake has had. LeRoy I don' think it's going to make a pinch of coon shite's worth of difference, actually. The bad press seems to have moved from Mandrake to where it belongs with LG. After all, they're the ones that put out drives that when told to flush their content zap their firmware. I don't think that's in the ATA standards. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake isn't the only CD-killer out there!
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 08:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While MDK 9.2 might have been the first distribution to get its name in the news for destroying CD-ROMs, I saw a posting on the Gentoo website this evening that someone killed their LG CD-ROM by installing Gentoo. Of course that doesn't help the bad press that Mandrake has had. LeRoy LeRoy: I understand that Suse has had some problems, too. I'm not sure that the press has been all that bad. Once the root cause had been identified (some LG CD-ROMs think that FLUSH_CACHE means RE-PROGRAM YOURSELF), the general attitude on those sites that I read was that LG screwed up and it ain't Mandrake's fault. This is reinforced by the fact that only the original LG CD's had this defect; LG corrected it in a firmware update. To me, the truly impressive part of the whole episode was how quickly it went from the inital field reports to resolution. The first report of which I'm aware appeared a Club forum on October 17. One week later, Mandrake's home page reported that a serious problem with certain LG CD-ROMs had not only been reported, but the cause had been traced to LG's non-compliance with the ATAPI standard and the addition of packet writing to the kernel. I spent 40 years of doing a lot of that kind of problem solving, and those guys did a damn fine job. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Red Hat ends free product line
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:27:37 -0800 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Just as his good buddy Earnie Eves. :-) Ernie Eves?! He's about as far from me philosophically as you can get, man! -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Your picture of the world often changes just before you get it into focus. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Redhat discontinued? was: Re: [expert] Mandrake Clubs
On 04 Nov 2003 09:35:17 -0500 Brian V Bonini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 22:59, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 17:02, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 07:01 pm, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 02 November 2003 09:03 am, Brian V Bonini wrote: Not exactly a tech questions but: Where can I find a list of differences between the different clubmembership levels, assuming there are differences? Brian: The Club FAQ gives some help, although IMHO it could be more complete: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=1294mode=nocomments -- cmg I agree they need to be more clear. They explain Standard vs Silver and above. But not Silver vs Gold, or Gold vs Platinum. It would be nice to get some special stuff as a Gold or Platinum user, like real ftp of iso's instead of bittorrent... :) Brian: Gold and Platinum memberships are targeted at corporate sponsors -- as in folks with big bucks to spend. I don't think that they get any special benefits beyond those of a Silver member. -- cmg And it works like an umbrella membership for all employee systems. James Thanks for the info, just looking to support it in some way so we don't end up like RedHat. I must be slow on getting news this week but I just learned of this: http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn Probably a good time for mdk to have their ducks in a row, I'm guessing there will be RH users looking to move elsewhere since RH is bailing on them. Redhat are not bailing. They have forked. They have there commercial side and then there is Fedora. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] On disapearing Menus
All, A while back a number of you expressed problems with disappearing menu's right after installing a new KDE or Gnome app. DEG is reporting that the problem seems to be related to cxplugin from codeweavers. Now the question comes. How many of you who have this problem are using cxplugin, or is it happening to you without cxplugin. If it is cxplugin what version are you using? James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] mandrake 9.2 nVIDIA nforce board problme?
Hi, all I just upgrade to mandrake 9.2 and got little audio problem here. I compile and install nforce driver from nVIDIA and modified /etc/modules.conf. First, I removed 'snd-slot-0 i810_audio line' which generated during install and replaced with 'snd-slot-0 nvaudio'. After reboot, mandrake 9.2 restore sound driver to i810audio. How can I let mandrake 9.2 use nvaudio as default audio driver? If I use i810_audio driver, will I lose any great feature from nforce chipset? Thanks, - Yahoo! http://tw.promo.yahoo.com/mail_premium/stationery.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake isn't the only CD-killer out there!
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 17:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While MDK 9.2 might have been the first distribution to get its name in the news for destroying CD-ROMs, I saw a posting on the Gentoo website this evening that someone killed their LG CD-ROM by installing Gentoo. Of course that doesn't help the bad press that Mandrake has had. LeRoy SuSE got bit too. Funny one is that the new MAC OSX has found a similar problem with firewire drives. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] On disapearing Menus
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 11:01 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: All, A while back a number of you expressed problems with disappearing menu's right after installing a new KDE or Gnome app. DEG is reporting that the problem seems to be related to cxplugin from codeweavers. Now the question comes. How many of you who have this problem are using cxplugin, or is it happening to you without cxplugin. If it is cxplugin what version are you using? I have the problem here and I'm not using cxplugin on any of my boxes. I have heard it is actually a bug in rpm that prevents the rpm database from being unlocked in time for the post-install update-menus script to be run, so you have to run it yourself. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] screensaver in 9.0,9.1
while i wait for 9.2 to shake itself out before i install, i'd like to ask if anyone else finds that after a few days in kde whether their screensaver stops coming on? i use euphoria a gl screensaver, i have to restart kde to get it working again, it seems to take about 5 days or so for it to stop kicking in bascule -- Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] On disapearing Menus
Jame, It happened to me and I don't have anything from codeweavers installed. Terry Smith Cape Cod USA On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 23:01, James Sparenberg wrote: All, A while back a number of you expressed problems with disappearing menu's right after installing a new KDE or Gnome app. DEG is reporting that the problem seems to be related to cxplugin from codeweavers. Now the question comes. How many of you who have this problem are using cxplugin, or is it happening to you without cxplugin. If it is cxplugin what version are you using? James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] On disapearing Menus
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 23:19:46 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 11:01 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: All, A while back a number of you expressed problems with disappearing menu's right after installing a new KDE or Gnome app. DEG is reporting that the problem seems to be related to cxplugin from codeweavers. Now the question comes. How many of you who have this problem are using cxplugin, or is it happening to you without cxplugin. If it is cxplugin what version are you using? I have the problem here and I'm not using cxplugin on any of my boxes. I have heard it is actually a bug in rpm that prevents the rpm database from being unlocked in time for the post-install update-menus script to be run, so you have to run it yourself. And there have been two releases of rpm to fix it. The last one came through ChangLog today, and should be on the cooker mirrors at least by tomorrow. I have very few menu problems now, compared to the first one when I moved up to 9.2 Cooker. Tim -- _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cooker update with newer packages
From: Trey Sizemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've noticed that Cooker contains KDE 3.1.4, Mozilla 1.4, Evolution 1.4.4 and other packages that have newer versions. Is there a timeframe for when these will be updated. Just curious. No. It's just that Cooker is now fully open again, and the development for MDK 10.0 is getting up to speed... We have been in a Deep Freeze since the 9.2 Freeze, with only updates for syncking with amd64 development branch... now it's done, so syncing a 9.2 install with Cooker is no longer really an option, unless you want to break your system from time to time... regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: How to reverse insmod (wasRe: [expert] USB woes)
lsmod | less to see what's loaded and what depends on what. modprobe -r [module] to remove a module. grep -r [string] /etc to see where it's being loaded. On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 08:27, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 12:58 pm, Ken Walker wrote: Unplug the hub and plug a single device into the port on the PC. If it works then its the hub, if not, try all the devices you had plugged into the hub one at a time, cos it might just be your first choice that's stopping everything. If all fails its then down to the machine/operating system. :o) Do one thing at a time and you should soon find the reason. I could not get usb working again at all. I tried everything plugged in directly, but no joy. I then booted to another kernel, started the driver module with a manual insmod, and all the usb stuff works. I have come to the conclusion that GnomeMeeting with the pwcx driver module is not compatible with the win4lin patched kernel. I therefore tried to get rid of it - and have ended up with a big problem. I took the insmod line out of modules.conf and rebooted, but I am still seeing finding module dependencies: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.21-0.13mdk/misc/pwcx-2.4.20.0 so it must still be loading the module, I think. Anyway, it gets to probing the hardware, and freezes. There has to be a way of finding and deleting the startup line that is causing it. Any pointers, please? Anne -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] sound in 9.2
You all know how I hate to take time away from the usual chatter with an actual problem, but here goes :-) Has anyone else noticed bad sound choppiness since installing/upgrading to 9.2? I have two systems with this problem, one using the stock 2.4.22-21 kernel and AC97 sound and one using -mm with i810 sound, both using ARTS. artswrapper is suid, run sound server with realtime priority is checked in kcontrol (note that I actually use XFce4, not KDE). XMMS is of course the app where I notice the problem (since GAIM is the only other program that is allowed to make noise and it doesn't make much). On stock-21/AC97 desktop, the use realtime priority flag is set, and true to the warning, I've experienced a system lockup under heavy load when XMMS was playing. On the 21-mm/i810 system, XMMS's use realtime priority flag is not checked (system lockups are more annoying on a laptop when there's no network accessibility). I don't recall if the AC97 desktop is on OSS or ALSA, but the i810 laptop is on OSS since the 9.2 upgrade; it was rock-solid and generally perfect on ALSA for 9.1, but with 9.2 ALSA sounds were drowned in static and frequently played at the wrong frequency. Any ideas? I'm sure I don't need to mention how annoying choppy music and system lockups are, especially when I'm the only hardcore Linux fanatic^H^H^H^H^H^H^Huser in the building. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] help - my box might be a relay
hey - help!
it's seemingly apparent that in the last week or two there seems to
be an increasing number of mails of a dubious nature being sent to
a large number of bogus addresses by yours truly :(.
I'm not a spammer but it seems that my mailing system (postfix) is
misconfigured -- but I was under the impression that postfix was
relay-proof. I have seen evidence though of some chinese sites
masquerading as m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com, probably forging headers
somewhere along the line. It further seems that mail is injected here
and then attempts are made to send the sh*t off to other places.
I have not gotten any complaints but as of now 22:30pm pst 11/4 there is
approximately 2.3 megabytes' worth of mail trying to get out.
1) I want to simply remove these messages. How do I do this? I have not yet
come across a queue removal program - like lprm - for mail. Can (or should)
I just delete all the files underneath /var/spool/postfix/{defer,etc,deferred,
etc} - i.e, keep the directory structure intact but do somehting like
find /var/spool/postfix -type f | xargs grep rm
Is that dangerous?
Secondly, using a fairly stock configuration for postfix, is there some-
thing I've missed? I can attach my configuration if needed. I have
basically kept the same one intact since I initially reinstalled 9.0
and upgraded to various levels of cooker over the past few months.
HELP ;)
David E. Fox Thanks for letting me
[EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk.
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Re: [expert] Novell acquires SuSE!! What does this mean for Mand rake?
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 11:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: ... Here in Germany, the only area SuSE plays a prominent role, SuSE will stay on top for long because it's a German speaking company, because they have an infrastructure all over the place (training centers, resellers, business consultants, etc.). It's like you open a phone directory and look for Linux, SuSE pops up in the first 200 entries. ... SuSE is quite stong in the US as well, at least as strong as Mandrake. You can buy their boxes at almost any computer store, and they're a big favorite among laptop users because the out-of-box experience is reputedly very good. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] sound in 9.2
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:06:26 -0800 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: You all know how I hate to take time away from the usual chatter with an actual problem, but here goes :-) Has anyone else noticed bad sound choppiness since installing/upgrading to 9.2? I have two systems with this problem, one using the stock 2.4.22-21 kernel and AC97 sound and one using -mm with i810 sound, both using ARTS. artswrapper is suid, run sound server with realtime priority is checked in kcontrol (note that I actually use XFce4, not KDE). XMMS is of course the app where I notice the problem (since GAIM is the only other program that is allowed to make noise and it doesn't make much). On stock-21/AC97 desktop, the use realtime priority flag is set, and true to the warning, I've experienced a system lockup under heavy load when XMMS was playing. On the 21-mm/i810 system, XMMS's use realtime priority flag is not checked (system lockups are more annoying on a laptop when there's no network accessibility). I don't recall if the AC97 desktop is on OSS or ALSA, but the i810 laptop is on OSS since the 9.2 upgrade; it was rock-solid and generally perfect on ALSA for 9.1, but with 9.2 ALSA sounds were drowned in static and frequently played at the wrong frequency. Any ideas? I'm sure I don't need to mention how annoying choppy music and system lockups are, especially when I'm the only hardcore Linux fanatic^H^H^H^H^H^H^Huser in the building. Funny you should mention! I have been playing with the 2.6 test 9.4 kernel, and have noticed it even more. I have 9.2 Cooker (2.4.22-21mdk) , which is really just 9.2 since the freeze has been on. This is a desktop with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card (cs46xx), 5.1 Dolby Digital to a kickin' set of Altec Lancing speakers / subwoofer. I _can_ rattle the window! but that is another story. I'm all ALSA. I can stream 128k audio off the net with no problems, but I have some oggs that get funky and choppy, but not always. No lockups at all. There are some issues with gstreamer-alsa based players, and ChangeLog shows fixs have just released. I've played with a bunch of music manager software - it is uses gstreamer I have a serious sound problems; if it uses xmms, then the minor issue mentioned, if it uses alsaplayer, smooth as silk. Anyone else? Tim -- _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
