Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Oct 2003 at 10:40, Eric Fernandez wrote: Add the main source of the 9.2 branch and you can get it with urpmi through FTP. But I agree it is nice to have it on the 3rd CD. Can you put that in English for me? I finally got urpmi to add media, by using the apparently command drakclub that someone here kindly mentioned a couple of days ago (which caused it to add something called club.comm_i586_9.2, whatever that means -- the commercial packages, maybe?, but not the kernel sources). What exactly is the name of the kernel source RPM? I tried listing all the ones that contain kernel, but none of those looks right. Maybe I'm just looking for the wrong name; I've never needed to find kernel sources before. Doc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 -- QDPGP 2.70 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBP5br0WnXrLw2KRK4EQLE5QCeJc77toRYZs5h1iFrH1LCynsLvj8AnAhy Q5ytemRcC9n56sDHhxhGSuj1 =Amph -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 22, 2003 02:42 pm, D. R. Evans wrote: On 16 Oct 2003 at 10:40, Eric Fernandez wrote: Add the main source of the 9.2 branch and you can get it with urpmi through FTP. But I agree it is nice to have it on the 3rd CD. Can you put that in English for me? I finally got urpmi to add media, by using the apparently command drakclub that someone here kindly mentioned a couple of days ago (which caused it to add something called club.comm_i586_9.2, whatever that means -- the commercial packages, maybe?, but not the kernel sources). What exactly is the name of the kernel source RPM? I tried listing all the ones that contain kernel, but none of those looks right. Maybe I'm just looking for the wrong name; I've never needed to find kernel sources before. Doc Sorry for the book below! urpmi kernel-source Doc; If you have an update_source configured for the Software Manager (urpmi) to use, the kernel-source for the update kernel (2.4.22-18mdk) should have propagated to all the update mirrors by now. If not you can get it directly and rpm -Uvh it, but when you do update the kernel as well. It fixes some glitches according to the advisory I got this afternoon. The following commands run as super user from a terminal may help: urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/contrib/i586 with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/9.2 with hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia update_source ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz will get you everything except the club, which it seems you already have. Check the sources you already have first though. You may have to run: urpmi.removemedia -a first then start from scratch. If you do I'd suggest adding the club last but it may not matter. When I tried to update my son's machine this morning the updates weren't on the mirrors yet, but I just spoke to my daughter and had her run: urpmi.update -a -f urpmi --wget --auto-select -v on that machine. She says the total was shown as 279 MB. I hope everbody has a fast connection. (-; Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-12.tmb.1mdk 15:19:51 up 22:58, 2 users, load average: 0.29, 0.45, 0.40 You will meet an important person who will help you advance professionally. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/lv2bG11CaRuZZSIRAv8vAKCLBSBOHdQSkpKh2GX/n2Le1z5oKQCfU1MP fPi8MlVdRZEr0Acu8vnlydU= =jb2V -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Exactly. Could someone tell me how to build a 4th CD with RPMs not included in the first 3 ISOs but available on the FTP site? Once burned the ISOs I'd like to be able to install software without being connected to the internet. Download it , burn it on CD and add it with urpmi.addmedia -f or as nicer solution: d/l = save the rpms in directories that fit on one disc = go in that dir and run genhdlist . (The point is important). This will give you a hdlist.cz for that RPMs. If you want to download all that is available but not on the 3 cd set, one CD isn't enough (hint: contrib/plf/java/club/...). Thanks for your help! Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. You are right... I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Exactly. Could someone tell me how to build a 4th CD with RPMs not included in the first 3 ISOs but available on the FTP site? Once burned the ISOs I'd like to be able to install software without being connected to the internet. Thanks Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Am Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 14:38 schrieb Olaf Marzocchi: I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. You are right... I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Exactly. Could someone tell me how to build a 4th CD with RPMs not included in the first 3 ISOs but available on the FTP site? Once burned the ISOs I'd like to be able to install software without being connected to the internet. Download it , burn it on CD and add it with urpmi.addmedia -f or as nicer solution: d/l = save the rpms in directories that fit on one disc = go in that dir and run genhdlist . (The point is important). This will give you a hdlist.cz for that RPMs. If you want to download all that is available but not on the 3 cd set, one CD isn't enough (hint: contrib/plf/java/club/...). Greets Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 07:28 schrieb Joeb: I don't have broadband at home, but I do at work. Therefore, installing 9.2 at home but not having the kernel sources is a real problem (since it also effectively kills off my modem, since I can't compile it's drivers and my NVidia card, too). Yes, I can go to work, download the sources, burn them to CD and then bring them home and the problem is resolved (but not solved). But, how many people without broadband will buy CDs from one of the web-sites that sell them and will be stuck because they can't effectively create a source for URPMI with their dial up. Or what about the poor people in Europe who have monthly download/upload minutes who have used up most of the month's quota just getting the ISOs only to find out they need to download more, but now have to wait till next month? The kernel sources should have been included! As for Emacs, I agree, but, just about anybody who is a fan of Emacs is going to want/need the kernel sources anyway! Joeb Its sure not nice that kernel-source is missing from download edition. I think its an oversight. Stating that this will put people off of mandrake is sure a bit much I think. the 3-cd iso set of powerpack contains the kernel source, so at least no problem for me, as if i get it downloaded at work, i will have all i need for the first. And also i have my DVD-only version ordered, so its just a question of time i would suffer from it. Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 00:17, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James disk 3 download is 652 megs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Steffen Barszus wrote: Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 07:28 schrieb Joeb: I don't have broadband at home, but I do at work. Therefore, installing 9.2 at home but not having the kernel sources is a real problem (since it also effectively kills off my modem, since I can't compile it's drivers and my NVidia card, too). Yes, I can go to work, download the sources, burn them to CD and then bring them home and the problem is resolved (but not solved). But, how many people without broadband will buy CDs from one of the web-sites that sell them and will be stuck because they can't effectively create a source for URPMI with their dial up. Or what about the poor people in Europe who have monthly download/upload minutes who have used up most of the month's quota just getting the ISOs only to find out they need to download more, but now have to wait till next month? The kernel sources should have been included! As for Emacs, I agree, but, just about anybody who is a fan of Emacs is going to want/need the kernel sources anyway! Joeb Its sure not nice that kernel-source is missing from download edition. I think its an oversight. Stating that this will put people off of mandrake is sure a bit much I think. the 3-cd iso set of powerpack contains the kernel source, so at least no problem for me, as if i get it downloaded at work, i will have all i need for the first. And also i have my DVD-only version ordered, so its just a question of time i would suffer from it. Steffen Add the main source of the 9.2 branch and you can get it with urpmi through FTP. But I agree it is nice to have it on the 3rd CD. Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
ed tharp kirjoitti viestissn (lhetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu 2003 13:17): disk 3 download is 652 megs Then you have a bad image: [EMAIL PROTECTED] download]$ du -m * 652 MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso 699 MandrakeLinux-9.2-18-Download-2.i586.iso 696 MandrakeLinux-9.2-19-Download-3.i586.iso [EMAIL PROTECTED] powerpack]$ du -m * 695 MandrakeLinux-9.2-03-Install-1.i586.iso 695 MandrakeLinux-9.2-04-Install-2.i586.iso 695 MandrakeLinux-9.2-05-I18n-Com.i586.iso -- Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Am Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 11:40 schrieb Eric Fernandez: Steffen Barszus wrote: Its sure not nice that kernel-source is missing from download edition. I think its an oversight. Stating that this will put people off of mandrake is sure a bit much I think. the 3-cd iso set of powerpack contains the kernel source, so at least no problem for me, as if i get it downloaded at work, i will have all i need for the first. And also i have my DVD-only version ordered, so its just a question of time i would suffer from it. Steffen Add the main source of the 9.2 branch and you can get it with urpmi through FTP. But I agree it is nice to have it on the 3rd CD. Eric Sure I can. But with ISDN it takes ages to download that 20-30 MB. With DSL i wouldn't care anyway. And as stated, it will not affect me. I get the PowerPack CDs from the Club or the DVD and both don't have that problem. Steffen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Wouldn't it make more sense to leave out some of the documentation (kernel docs are there 3 times, apache twice and lots of other stuff). Maybe we don't need all of those kernels on the CDs, there are quite a few now. Without the kernel source, you can't compile NVidia drivers or winmodem drivers or other sources that require the kernel headers! Not everybody has a high speed internet connection, so the simple solution of urpmi doesn't work for something as important as a the kernel headers/sources. We're not talking 100s of megabytes, just 40MB. IIRC, the kernel sources were included with the betas and release candidates, so if they could fit then, why not now. Also, isn't the idea of a release candidate to be a test of the final release? If the packages have been deleted, then how is it a test? Anyway, a lot of people will end up needing the kernel sources, so why would they purposely be ommitted (and what was added that caused the need to delete them)? Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:45, Joeb wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Wouldn't it make more sense to leave out some of the documentation (kernel docs are there 3 times, apache twice and lots of other stuff). Maybe we don't need all of those kernels on the CDs, there are quite a few now. Without the kernel source, you can't compile NVidia drivers or winmodem drivers or other sources that require the kernel headers! Not everybody has a high speed internet connection, so the simple solution of urpmi doesn't work for something as important as a the kernel headers/sources. We're not talking 100s of megabytes, just 40MB. IIRC, the kernel sources were included with the betas and release candidates, so if they could fit then, why not now. Also, isn't the idea of a release candidate to be a test of the final release? If the packages have been deleted, then how is it a test? Anyway, a lot of people will end up needing the kernel sources, so why would they purposely be ommitted (and what was added that caused the need to delete them)? Joeb A lot gets duplicated. It does that so you don't have to switch the disks more than 1 time. As for what does doesn't get included. As far as I'm concerned about 1 disk worth is useless. But a lot wouldn't agree. (Emacs in all of it's forms could be dropped and I'd wouldn't miss it, but others would have a hissy fit.) The one major concession was that disk 1 is 650mb. Why. So that if your boxes cd drive can't read 700mb disks (and there are a lot of them.) You can at least get a box up. One note. Anyone downloading the iso's or using bittorrent either has broadband, or ... is a real glutton for pain. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:45, Joeb wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Wouldn't it make more sense to leave out some of the documentation (kernel docs are there 3 times, apache twice and lots of other stuff). Maybe we don't need all of those kernels on the CDs, there are quite a few now. Without the kernel source, you can't compile NVidia drivers or winmodem drivers or other sources that require the kernel headers! Not everybody has a high speed internet connection, so the simple solution of urpmi doesn't work for something as important as a the kernel headers/sources. We're not talking 100s of megabytes, just 40MB. IIRC, the kernel sources were included with the betas and release candidates, so if they could fit then, why not now. Also, isn't the idea of a release candidate to be a test of the final release? If the packages have been deleted, then how is it a test? Anyway, a lot of people will end up needing the kernel sources, so why would they purposely be ommitted (and what was added that caused the need to delete them)? Joeb A lot gets duplicated. It does that so you don't have to switch the disks more than 1 time. As for what does doesn't get included. As far as I'm concerned about 1 disk worth is useless. But a lot wouldn't agree. (Emacs in all of it's forms could be dropped and I'd wouldn't miss it, but others would have a hissy fit.) The one major concession was that disk 1 is 650mb. Why. So that if your boxes cd drive can't read 700mb disks (and there are a lot of them.) You can at least get a box up. One note. Anyone downloading the iso's or using bittorrent either has broadband, or ... is a real glutton for pain. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I don't have broadband at home, but I do at work. Therefore, installing 9.2 at home but not having the kernel sources is a real problem (since it also effectively kills off my modem, since I can't compile it's drivers and my NVidia card, too). Yes, I can go to work, download the sources, burn them to CD and then bring them home and the problem is resolved (but not solved). But, how many people without broadband will buy CDs from one of the web-sites that sell them and will be stuck because they can't effectively create a source for URPMI with their dial up. Or what about the poor people in Europe who have monthly download/upload minutes who have used up most of the month's quota just getting the ISOs only to find out they need to download more, but now
