Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 17.47 19/10/2003, you wrote: ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/vol/1/mandrake-mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.22-10.mdk.i586.rpm is what you're looking for (IIRC this was about kernel sources wasn't it?). It's about 40Mb big which is a lot less to download than a complete iso image. But I would download the ISO image with a 10 mbps connection, while the kernel source should be downloaded with a 56k, it's different. I will make a bigger CD set with the 10mbps pc. So as you see everything's freely available to everybodyyou do need to look though! I always known the sources were available, I only complained they weren't in the standard CDs. Methinks you owe linux (and Anne) a twiki-howto;) ok, ok... someone else wants to suggests it again? :-))) Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 17.32 19/10/2003, you wrote: There's nothing wrong with waiting a little bit but, since you would have to have the 9.2 tree downloaded to make the isos, have you considered doing an hd install from the tree? Probably I will download the full tree (could someone tell me in advance how much big it is? I have to warn the friend that will download it...) and then make the CDs on my PC (I have linux 9.1). I don't know whether to install from HD or from those CD I will make. Probably from HD, where I will keep the tree until the HD gets filled. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 04.33 20/10/2003, you wrote: I did have dependency problems, but the CDs were made and boot and install. It looks like most of the dependency issues were with apache2 (which I'm not running, anyway). I need to know how to solve the dependency problems. I suppose Mandrakesoft solved them before making the ISO, so there must be a way. Probably now a tip from MDKSoft people would be the best. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 24, 2003 03:05 am, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 17.32 19/10/2003, you wrote: There's nothing wrong with waiting a little bit but, since you would have to have the 9.2 tree downloaded to make the isos, have you considered doing an hd install from the tree? Probably I will download the full tree (could someone tell me in advance how much big it is? I have to warn the friend that will download it...) and then make the CDs on my PC (I have linux 9.1). I don't know whether to install from HD or from those CD I will make. Probably from HD, where I will keep the tree until the HD gets filled. Olaf If you exclude all SRPMS and jpackage entries you can get away with about 6.0 GB for main and contrib. If you want everything including those directories count on around 10.5 GB. Or at least that's what the Mandrake current tree (9.2) is here. You may want to rsync the 9.2 updates directory as well. I did. It's only 248.4 MB. Good luck. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-18mdk The best security update for Windows that I've found is the installer for Mandrake Linux. Especially the Use Entire Disk option. (-; -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mVRPG11CaRuZZSIRApbyAKCoM/Qi8VdXy+vuymiyHL1SYScedACgjFfc KszKHqsxn7zv+wZ23hHQkXo= =R4Ah -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? It probably was not intentional. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
Dave Seff schrieb am Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:10:49 -0400: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? It probably was not intentional. It is intentional and it is not a violation of the GPL. Period. Time to move on. wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
You'll want to look at the urpmi --parallel switch. It's more fully explianed in the urpmi HOWTO at http://www.urpmi.org. The links returned a '404 - File Not Found' message. Anyplace else this could be hosted? Kat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sunday 19 Oct 2003 4:13 pm, kat wrote: You'll want to look at the urpmi --parallel switch. It's more fully explianed in the urpmi HOWTO at http://www.urpmi.org. The links returned a '404 - File Not Found' message. Anyplace else this could be hosted? Kat It might be worth trying again, Kat. It is working from here (just tried it) and it offered me English and French versions. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
You'll want to look at the urpmi --parallel switch. It's more fully explianed in the urpmi HOWTO at http://www.urpmi.org. The links returned a '404 - File Not Found' message. Anyplace else this could be hosted? Kat It might be worth trying again, Kat. It is working from here (just tried it) and it offered me English and French versions. Anne The first few links work but when I go to the individual tools, such as 'urpmi,' the '404' message comes up. Kat Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 00.02 19/10/2003, you wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:27, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf It already is and has been all along..check the mirrors. It's only the 9.2 iso's that aren't available allover (yet). But I don't have an hi-speed coection to install the sys via ftp... I NEED the ISOs... I could even create my ISOs with MakeCD, but Joeb in another thread said he had dependency problems... so I wait until ISOs are available. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 00.02 19/10/2003, you wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:27, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf It already is and has been all along..check the mirrors. It's only the 9.2 iso's that aren't available allover (yet). But I don't have an hi-speed coection to install the sys via ftp... I NEED the ISOs... I could even create my ISOs with MakeCD, but Joeb in another thread said he had dependency problems... so I wait until ISOs are available. Olaf There's nothing wrong with waiting a little bit but, since you would have to have the 9.2 tree downloaded to make the isos, have you considered doing an hd install from the tree? Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sunday 19 October 2003 17:23, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 00.02 19/10/2003, you wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:27, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf It already is and has been all along..check the mirrors. It's only the 9.2 iso's that aren't available allover (yet). But I don't have an hi-speed coection to install the sys via ftp... I NEED the ISOs... I could even create my ISOs with MakeCD, but Joeb in another thread said he had dependency problems... so I wait until ISOs are available. Olaf ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/vol/1/mandrake-mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.22-10.mdk.i586.rpm is what you're looking for (IIRC this was about kernel sources wasn't it?). It's about 40Mb big which is a lot less to download than a complete iso image. There's probably a server nearer to you but this is the one I know. So as you see everything's freely available to everybodyyou do need to look though! Methinks you owe linux (and Anne) a twiki-howto;) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, kat wrote: The first few links work but when I go to the individual tools, such as 'urpmi,' the '404' message comes up. Yes, it appears that the HOWTO links no longer work, as the tiscali.co.uk site that held those pages is no longer valid; however, you can view the Google cached version of that page at: http://tinyurl.com/rho7 As you can see, you're not missing much. The other (non-HOWTO) links on the urpmi.org page work, and most of them provide the full man page for the command in question. The information on the urpmi man page covers the --parallel option and the /etc/urpmi/parallel.cfg file, to some extent. If you can decipher Perl, installing one of the required backend RPMs for parallel operation, either urpmi-parallel-ka-run or urpmi-parallel-ssh, will provide a Perl module that may or may not offer further information, either in the comments (one hopes g) or in the flow of the code itself. HTH! -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 The engineer is neither optimist nor pessimist. He sees the proverbial half-full/empty glass and says, The glass is twice as big as there is any need for it to be. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:44, kat wrote: You'll want to look at the urpmi --parallel switch. It's more fully explianed in the urpmi HOWTO at http://www.urpmi.org. The links returned a '404 - File Not Found' message. Anyplace else this could be hosted? Kat It might be worth trying again, Kat. It is working from here (just tried it) and it offered me English and French versions. Anne The first few links work but when I go to the individual tools, such as 'urpmi,' the '404' message comes up. Kat Kat, Keep trying it... it seems they are updating/changing the site live. If you hit at the wrong point it will have the 404. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 00.02 19/10/2003, you wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:27, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf It already is and has been all along..check the mirrors. It's only the 9.2 iso's that aren't available allover (yet). But I don't have an hi-speed coection to install the sys via ftp... I NEED the ISOs... I could even create my ISOs with MakeCD, but Joeb in another thread said he had dependency problems... so I wait until ISOs are available. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I did have dependency problems, but the CDs were made and boot and install. It looks like most of the dependency issues were with apache2 (which I'm not running, anyway). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 14:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 11:21 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 10:44 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? Also, kernel2.4-marcelo could be dropped, there are also 4 kernel-doc packages, one (or even none) would be sufficient. And maybe kernel-secure, which is really for professional use ? Eric even if it was... it wouldn't yield sufficient room. Now if Emacs was dropped or perhaps all of the kde eye candy etc.. To be honest. What they have done fits perfectly in with the way they are positioning themselves in the market. They are THE desktop distro. Remember all the flack they took for leaving kdeartwork out of 9.1. Someone's always bitching. Kinda reminds you of the old fairy tale, doesn't it? Momma Bear: My porridge is too cold. Poppa Bear: My porridge is too hot. Baby Bear: All they do around here is bitch, bitch, bitch. -- cmg Baby Bear would like a 4th cd with source and contrib as a optional extra. Ahh thats just right :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 18.08 17/10/2003, you wrote: and looking at 9.1 Prosuite Edition CDs+DVD ONLY, they came with 8CD + 1DVD... the same for 9.2 is 9 + 1DVD, so that's 700MB of extra stuff between 9.1 and 9.2 ok, ok, you are right... but if you can't download the extra stuff over your modem, you could of course go somewhere (friend / library / net-cafe), where you can download it, burn it to a CD, and take it home... and install from the cd... I think that Mandrakesoft should explain somewhere how to build a forth install CD: having the RPMs burned in a CD or having them in a CD added to the urpmi (+GUI) sources is different... And to add the CD to the sources there must be a hdlist.cz file. Now I know how to do (Steffen Barszus explained it in another post), but many people don't. Thanks Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 Oct 2003 10:55 am, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 18.08 17/10/2003, you wrote: and looking at 9.1 Prosuite Edition CDs+DVD ONLY, they came with 8CD + 1DVD... the same for 9.2 is 9 + 1DVD, so that's 700MB of extra stuff between 9.1 and 9.2 ok, ok, you are right... but if you can't download the extra stuff over your modem, you could of course go somewhere (friend / library / net-cafe), where you can download it, burn it to a CD, and take it home... and install from the cd... I think that Mandrakesoft should explain somewhere how to build a forth install CD: having the RPMs burned in a CD or having them in a CD added to the urpmi (+GUI) sources is different... And to add the CD to the sources there must be a hdlist.cz file. Now I know how to do (Steffen Barszus explained it in another post), but many people don't. Thanks Olaf Which is where the TWiki comes in. Why not write up how you did it and make it available for everyone else? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 October 2003 05:55 am, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: I think that Mandrakesoft should explain somewhere how to build a forth install CD: having the RPMs burned in a CD or having them in a CD added to the urpmi (+GUI) sources is different... And to add the CD to the sources there must be a hdlist.cz file. Now I know how to do (Steffen Barszus explained it in another post), but many people don't. Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 12.36 18/10/2003, you wrote: Which is where the TWiki comes in. Why not write up how you did it and make it available for everyone else? But I didn't (yet): I'm not a club member and I son't have 9.2. Furthermore, Steven explained me how to do, you should have received his post as well. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Oct 2003 at 20:59, James Sparenberg wrote: No, the violation would be if it wasn't available at all. Since it is available via urpmi and or the web. I couldn't find anything about obtaining the kernel sources for 9.2 in the wiki. Perhaps someone who knows could add something to the wiki when they get the chance? Otherwise it is almost certain to become a FAQ. Doc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 -- QDPGP 2.70 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBP5FHIWnXrLw2KRK4EQJVxwCfW28tueL7oDCJBLflzPrJ+PFveP8AoPXi chv1QIyukrVsEG9rXSbM8S7E =tqGZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 Oct 2003 12:14 pm, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 12.36 18/10/2003, you wrote: Which is where the TWiki comes in. Why not write up how you did it and make it available for everyone else? But I didn't (yet): I'm not a club member and I son't have 9.2. Furthermore, Steven explained me how to do, you should have received his post as well. Olaf Olaf - 1) I have been away, so I did not receive it. 2) Open Source is about sharing responsibility and labour. It is not for me to learn in depth about a problem that you are solving in order for me to write an article. I am asking you to pay back the help you receive by helping someone else. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
It was mentioned in this thread that all of the Mandrake Packs will come with the nVidia drivers. Anybody care to pass them along to the rest of us? Or do I have to wait until Nvidia gets them onto their site? - Theo Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 18 Oct 2003 12:14 pm, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 12.36 18/10/2003, you wrote: Which is where the TWiki comes in. Why not write up how you did it and make it available for everyone else? But I didn't (yet): I'm not a club member and I son't have 9.2. Furthermore, Steven explained me how to do, you should have received his post as well. Olaf Olaf - 1) I have been away, so I did not receive it. 2) Open Source is about sharing responsibility and labour. It is not for me to learn in depth about a problem that you are solving in order for me to write an article. I am asking you to pay back the help you receive by helping someone else. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM You can generate the hdlist in the RPMS directory before burning with genhdlist dir to write hdlist. It's part of rpmtools. There is also an option to urpmi.addmedia but I don't know how it would work with removable media: -f Force generation of hdlist files. Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 02:30 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM Are you sure about that HarM? I've written an updates disk for use when doing 9.1 installs from my local updates mirror directory and never had a problem. urpmi generates, or seems to, a synthesis for use when none is available. Once the source is set up it's accessible, and a hell of a lot faster than doing an internet update for new installs. Especially for the few around here that are still on dial up. BTW you can download the updates hdlist.cz from the same mirror you get the packages from and just add it to the CD. Then again I rsync everything for the current two releases (9.0, 9.1, and cooker at the moment. Soon dropping 9.0) on my local drives. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 14:38:30 up 28 days, 4:01, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.14, 0.13 LILO, you've got me on my knees! (from David Black, [EMAIL PROTECTED], with apologies to Derek and the Dominos, and Werner Almsberger) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kaaJG11CaRuZZSIRAtZBAKClmqqq16htHSqZfXXo+6aHfWbmpQCff0bW dWzMo+O8UzrNy6+u6TuglUQ= =vf5q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 20.44 18/10/2003, you wrote: 2) Open Source is about sharing responsibility and labour. It is not for me to learn in depth about a problem that you are solving in order for me to write an article. I am asking you to pay back the help you receive by helping someone else. Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 16:31:03 -0400 Theo Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was mentioned in this thread that all of the Mandrake Packs will come with the nVidia drivers. Anybody care to pass them along to the rest of us? Or do I have to wait until Nvidia gets them onto their site? - Theo I just installed the current site drivers onto Cooker 9.2 about a month ago, and have changed kernels about 4 times since then. You just have to run the nVidia installer and let it compile a module for your system. No need to wait for anyone. Tim Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 18 Oct 2003 12:14 pm, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 12.36 18/10/2003, you wrote: Which is where the TWiki comes in. Why not write up how you did it and make it available for everyone else? But I didn't (yet): I'm not a club member and I son't have 9.2. Furthermore, Steven explained me how to do, you should have received his post as well. Olaf Olaf - 1) I have been away, so I did not receive it. 2) Open Source is about sharing responsibility and labour. It is not for me to learn in depth about a problem that you are solving in order for me to write an article. I am asking you to pay back the help you receive by helping someone else. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- I often read this forum on my PDA, please use plain text! _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:46, Charlie M. wrote: Are you sure about that HarM? If you don't download all the rpm's in that directory, then the hdlist.cz will not be valid anymoreyou'll have to generate a new one with the right packages using the -f option. If the gui does that by default...frankly, I don't know. Me and rpmdrake don't get along;) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 13:30, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM Run the program genhdlist (usage: genhdlist dir) and it will output the needed hdlist.cz for you. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 03:16 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:46, Charlie M. wrote: Are you sure about that HarM? If you don't download all the rpm's in that directory, then the hdlist.cz will not be valid anymoreyou'll have to generate a new one with the right packages using the -f option. If the gui does that by default...frankly, I don't know. Me and rpmdrake don't get along;) Good luck, HarM I see what you're saying. I should have mentioned that the disks are always faithful reproductions of _everything_ in the updates directory of the mirrors. I've yet to have it bite me, but since I have the synchronized updates hdlist on my hard drives I can always add it to the disk. So far so good though. It becomes painful at times sitting on this pile of horse shoes. g C. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 15:28:49 up 28 days, 4:51, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.12, 0.10 Man's reach must exceed his grasp, for why else the heavens? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kbFnG11CaRuZZSIRAjtHAJ9EbfE7cWa/mKU+T7pKUbpDmhWoegCfTF2H oH2a1VLGiiT/sZMyGsrjcqM= =iTZv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 13:30, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM HarM Sorry I'm having a really bad day here trying to get me fingers to type what my mind is thinking. genhdlist --with-numbers path to rpms) This should be run from the top of your tree. Man what a day. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 October 2003 23:35, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 13:30, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM HarM Sorry I'm having a really bad day here trying to get me fingers to type what my mind is thinking. genhdlist --with-numbers path to rpms) This should be run from the top of your tree. Man what a day. James Thanks James, Id forgotten that one:) Here's a nice one to get your battered brain in gear: Got any tips on an easy way to keep all the other PC's on the LAN in sync without each and everyone ftp-ing and rsyncing over the www? It just seems a waste of bandwidth to me IMHOmind the word easy though;) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:27, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf It already is and has been all along..check the mirrors. It's only the 9.2 iso's that aren't available allover (yet). Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Saturday 18 October 2003 05:42 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: Here's a nice one to get your battered brain in gear: Got any tips on an easy way to keep all the other PC's on the LAN in sync without each and everyone ftp-ing and rsyncing over the www? It just seems a waste of bandwidth to me IMHOmind the word easy though;) You'll want to look at the urpmi --parallel switch. It's more fully explianed in the urpmi HOWTO at http://www.urpmi.org. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 14:42, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 23:35, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 13:30, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 13:48, Greg Meyer wrote: Download the rpms you want from the mirrors, burn them to cd, then add cd as urpmi source. Which still calls for a hdlist.cz describing the packages on that CD. It will not be accepted without! Good luck, HarM HarM Sorry I'm having a really bad day here trying to get me fingers to type what my mind is thinking. genhdlist --with-numbers path to rpms) This should be run from the top of your tree. Man what a day. James Thanks James, Id forgotten that one:) Here's a nice one to get your battered brain in gear: Got any tips on an easy way to keep all the other PC's on the LAN in sync without each and everyone ftp-ing and rsyncing over the www? It just seems a waste of bandwidth to me IMHOmind the word easy though;) Good luck, HarM Are you refering to data or the way that MDK is installed. For data I'd look into rsync and for a frontend ksync (haven't used it much but it works.) For installs when you finish the install of box 1 click advanced and create an install disk. Then use it to mastermind the installs on the others. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Thursday, 16 October 2003 20:35, Thomas Backlund wrote: From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] A bit more information and I am no longer prepared to be T'd off when I get my CDs. I see that the bare-bones, 3CD iso download addition is what is missing the kernel source, not what I ordered (nor what anyone paid for). Given this, it is still not unreasonable to NOT include the any experimental kernel, multimedia kernel, enterprise kernel, smp kernel, etc, IF that is what it takes to get something as basic as the kernel-source onto the first 3 CDs. Have the others available for download separately as it is a Cant there just be 4 cd's, and also change to separate bittorrent files rather to let you choose which cd you want, that way you can get your 1,2,3 or 4. If you down need your kernels then just dont download the 4th? Also when 9.2 goes public why dont the mirrors mirror the three iso's as torrents and then the general public can get the download advantage? Regards Steve Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? Also, kernel2.4-marcelo could be dropped, there are also 4 kernel-doc packages, one (or even none) would be sufficient. And maybe kernel-secure, which is really for professional use ? Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 09:41, Praedor Atrebates wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. praedor No, the violation would be if it wasn't available at all. Since it is available via urpmi and or the web. (Which is the same way you get the download iso's) it's not a violation. If you notice, none of the iso's have src rpms. No problem they are available in the same manor as the binaries. 'Download. Jaems - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jsowaKr9sJYeTxgRAh8WAKCOIDlJUS5C3yGOQAQcPbSUgkvtLACfUubB IS5qfJ4ABPseslD87RmTwXQ= =fXZN -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
At 20.35 16/10/2003, you wrote: The reason for dropping kernel-source, was AFAIK to make room for all the kde-i18n, koffice-i18n stuff... as you know mdk supports *many* languages... i18n and similar were in other MDK distro... so they added something else, your explanation isn't an explanation. I hope the source will be back in next release, I have a 56k and, once I burned my 3 ISO downloaded somewhere else, I'd like to have the source of the kernel. If 3 ISO are not enough, release 3 ISO or remove some games, but NOT THE KERNEL SOURCE. Removing the kernel source will put off from Mandrake many potential Powerpack customers, I'm sure much more people than those that will buy Powerpack to have the sources or other extras... Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# urpmq kernel-headers glibc-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# rpm -qf /usr/include/linux glibc-devel-2.3.2-15mdk curiouser and curiouser... I can't find a kernel-headers package either, but I know that my kernel-source wasn't installed the last time I reconfigured vmware. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 11:29, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# urpmq kernel-headers glibc-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# rpm -qf /usr/include/linux glibc-devel-2.3.2-15mdk curiouser and curiouser... I can't find a kernel-headers package either, but I know that my kernel-source wasn't installed the last time I reconfigured vmware. ahh, cause the headers are included with glibc, so they match the compiler??? -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
From: Olaf Marzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 20.35 16/10/2003, you wrote: The reason for dropping kernel-source, was AFAIK to make room for all the kde-i18n, koffice-i18n stuff... as you know mdk supports *many* languages... i18n and similar were in other MDK distro... so they added something else, your explanation isn't an explanation. Actually if you think about it a bit before discarding my statement, you see what I mean... as packages / programs get developed / enchanced, they tend to grow, when adding more features... So here is a short comaprision... MDK 9.1 - all kde* + koffice* + locales* = ~240MB MDK 9.2 - all kde* + koffice* + locales* = ~262MB so there went ~22MB compairing the same kernels: MDK 9.1 ~73.6MB MDK 9.2 ~86.2MB so there went ~12.6MB now I am at 34.6MB already ;-) (wich is pretty much the size of kernel-source in 9.1, 9.2 kernel-source is ~40MB) and this list can be made longer... (I havent calculated any other) as we upgraded gnome to 2.4 - more space needed, added more supported kernels... and suddenly those 3 ISOs seem _very_ small... and looking at 9.1 Prosuite Edition CDs+DVD ONLY, they came with 8CD + 1DVD... the same for 9.2 is 9 + 1DVD, so that's 700MB of extra stuff between 9.1 and 9.2 I hope the source will be back in next release, I have a 56k and, once I burned my 3 ISO downloaded somewhere else, I'd like to have the source of the kernel. If 3 ISO are not enough, release 3 ISO or remove some games, but NOT THE KERNEL SOURCE. Removing the kernel source will put off from Mandrake many potential Powerpack customers, I'm sure much more people than those that will buy Powerpack to have the sources or other extras... and yes ... I do understand that many people would have liked the kernel-source on the download isos, but the descision has already been made, cd's manufactured ... and so on... Of course the next release could have a different decision... who knows ... but if you can't download the extra stuff over your modem, you could of course go somewhere (friend / library / net-cafe), where you can download it, burn it to a CD, and take it home... and install from the cd... and there will be an update kernel that will hitting the updates when it's ready... So then you would have to download the stuff anyway... Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 08:34, ed tharp wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 11:29, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# urpmq kernel-headers glibc-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# rpm -qf /usr/include/linux glibc-devel-2.3.2-15mdk curiouser and curiouser... I can't find a kernel-headers package either, but I know that my kernel-source wasn't installed the last time I reconfigured vmware. ahh, cause the headers are included with glibc, so they match the compiler??? that's my interpretation. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? Also, kernel2.4-marcelo could be dropped, there are also 4 kernel-doc packages, one (or even none) would be sufficient. And maybe kernel-secure, which is really for professional use ? Eric even if it was... it wouldn't yield sufficient room. Now if Emacs was dropped or perhaps all of the kde eye candy etc.. To be honest. What they have done fits perfectly in with the way they are positioning themselves in the market. They are THE desktop distro. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric Matter of fact ... in the download version, I believe you are right. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 08:29, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# urpmq kernel-headers glibc-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# rpm -qf /usr/include/linux glibc-devel-2.3.2-15mdk curiouser and curiouser... I can't find a kernel-headers package either, but I know that my kernel-source wasn't installed the last time I reconfigured vmware. Kernel headers are supplied by gcc. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 08:34, ed tharp wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 11:29, Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 07:46, Eric Fernandez wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? been done for years. I don't see a kernel-headers package since 9.0 (and maybe even before). Am I mistaken ? Eric ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# urpmq kernel-headers glibc-devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] htdocs]# rpm -qf /usr/include/linux glibc-devel-2.3.2-15mdk curiouser and curiouser... I can't find a kernel-headers package either, but I know that my kernel-source wasn't installed the last time I reconfigured vmware. ahh, cause the headers are included with glibc, so they match the compiler??? err yeah.. glibc I always say one when I mean the other. Neat part is. Unless you are compiling a kernel or some kernel (but not all) kernel additons (like pcmcia) you don't need the full source. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? Also, kernel2.4-marcelo could be dropped, there are also 4 kernel-doc packages, one (or even none) would be sufficient. And maybe kernel-secure, which is really for professional use ? Eric It is glibc supplies headers the rest is in kernel source. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Friday 17 October 2003 10:44 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? Also, kernel2.4-marcelo could be dropped, there are also 4 kernel-doc packages, one (or even none) would be sufficient. And maybe kernel-secure, which is really for professional use ? Eric even if it was... it wouldn't yield sufficient room. Now if Emacs was dropped or perhaps all of the kde eye candy etc.. To be honest. What they have done fits perfectly in with the way they are positioning themselves in the market. They are THE desktop distro. Remember all the flack they took for leaving kdeartwork out of 9.1. Someone's always bitching. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Friday 17 October 2003 11:21 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 17 October 2003 10:44 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 02:52, ef2 wrote: What about splitting the kernel into source and headers, for driver compilations ? Also, kernel2.4-marcelo could be dropped, there are also 4 kernel-doc packages, one (or even none) would be sufficient. And maybe kernel-secure, which is really for professional use ? Eric even if it was... it wouldn't yield sufficient room. Now if Emacs was dropped or perhaps all of the kde eye candy etc.. To be honest. What they have done fits perfectly in with the way they are positioning themselves in the market. They are THE desktop distro. Remember all the flack they took for leaving kdeartwork out of 9.1. Someone's always bitching. Kinda reminds you of the old fairy tale, doesn't it? Momma Bear: My porridge is too cold. Poppa Bear: My porridge is too hot. Baby Bear: All they do around here is bitch, bitch, bitch. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jsowaKr9sJYeTxgRAh8WAKCOIDlJUS5C3yGOQAQcPbSUgkvtLACfUubB IS5qfJ4ABPseslD87RmTwXQ= =fXZN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
Praedor Atrebates kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu 2003 19:41): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. It is supplied, just not on the CD:s, head over to the ftp mirrors and grab it there... and as far as GPL go, It has been stated before, you don't need to ship the sourcecode with your rpms, _only_ make them easy available, wich they are... -- Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
I don't think it violates the GPL because it is available freely for download. My original complaint was that unlike some of the other packages that were included, the kernel source is pretty important and should have been included. If space was the problem, then maybe the enterprise and smp kernels could have been left off of the 3CD download set as many more people need the kernel source than either of those kernels. Not to say that they aren't important, but it would make more sense that since an enterprise or smp class machine can boot from the standard kernel, then those two kernels could have been on the powerpack CD or downloaded. Joeb -Original Message- From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 16, 2003 11:41 AM To: Mandrake Expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jsowaKr9sJYeTxgRAh8WAKCOIDlJUS5C3yGOQAQcPbSUgkvtLACfUubB IS5qfJ4ABPseslD87RmTwXQ= =fXZN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, thanks for the clarification...that said however, I am now concerned that I wasted my money by purchasing 9.2. I expect the CDs to arrive by the end of the month and expect the source to be included as my Nvidia card is essentially useless without the official, compiled Nvidia driver (it is wasted to own a 3D accelerated card and not be able to take advantage of 3D acceleration by using the GPL driver - you might as well get a cheapo 2D-only video card). Now let me preface this next with the statement that I am NOT ranting. I am providing a very reasonable critique with the underlying implication on how to fix it... I do NOT have broadband and it is not acceptable to tie up my phoneline for the incredibly long period necessary to download a kernel source rpm (my wife is on call, our phone service in the boonies is less than perfect). If I just spent money to support Mandrake but get screwed without kernel source, then I feel I've wasted my money. I buy the CDs for convenience, to avoid useing exceedingly slow modem connections. What's the point of spending money on something that is incomplete and difficult to complete? I need the kernel source within minutes of completing the installation or my video card is garbage - as is some of my other hardware which flat-out requires kernel-source to build their drivers, which MUST be built, and some of my software, which MUST be built. Experimental kernels are garbage, in the scheme of things, and should be left for downloading only rather than be supplied on CDs. I would have to say that the multimedia kernel is also pointless given that most people don't need, nor use it. Cut this extraneous fluff to permit room for rather critical packages. I am NOT even really ranting against experimental kernels or the multimedia kernel, etc, but I am saying that their importance is small relative to more important items like kernel source (from which you can build your multimedia kernel if you wish and do not want to download such a binary rpm). I am merely ranking things in order of importance considering limited resources (CDs). If space is limited, then you make cuts to cover the most ground with the most efficiency. Now I hope I am wrong and that when my paid-for CDs come I find kernel source on them. If not, then Mandrake is simply leaving a bad taste in my mouth and causing what would otherwise be a simple install to become problematic. POTENTIALLY (not certain as I do not have the CDs yet) more problem than it is worth given all the factors I must consider. Get real here. There are a bunch of kernel rpms supplied that are just not critical right off the bat (experimental, multimedia). Dump them if space is a premium and have those who want them download them...why should this minority of users who actually use these kernels receive more consideration (given the CD limitations) than most users who do not use them? Now I do base this criticism upon what I am reading in the thread about missing kernel source. Is this the limit for those downloading base iso's? Or is it true for those of us who shell out for official CDs too? If it is the former...I am less upset though I think my logic (ranking what is really important vs what is nice) holds. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:47 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: Praedor Atrebates kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu 2003 19:41): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. It is supplied, just not on the CD:s, head over to the ftp mirrors and grab it there... and as far as GPL go, It has been stated before, you don't need to ship the sourcecode with your rpms, _only_ make them easy available, wich they are... - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jtEoaKr9sJYeTxgRApMoAJ9SqZnFXtFsApgkw9+EbCvC8xmHgQCfWFz0 rZ0ExqnT3hpvqcH/XxRTZ10= =4EZK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A bit more information and I am no longer prepared to be T'd off when I get my CDs. I see that the bare-bones, 3CD iso download addition is what is missing the kernel source, not what I ordered (nor what anyone paid for). Given this, it is still not unreasonable to NOT include the any experimental kernel, multimedia kernel, enterprise kernel, smp kernel, etc, IF that is what it takes to get something as basic as the kernel-source onto the first 3 CDs. Have the others available for download separately as it is a relative few that use them as compared to those with NVidia video cards and the like (those who need to rebuild the kernel or build drivers that depend on the kernel source). This is simply something that should be reconsidered for future releases as a way to optimize for functionality given limited space. As I paid for the powerpack addition, I am no longer concerned with being without the kernel-source on one of the CDs. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 12:11 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: OK, thanks for the clarification...that said however, I am now concerned that I wasted my money by purchasing 9.2. I expect the CDs to arrive by the end of the month and expect the source to be included as my Nvidia card is essentially useless without the official, compiled Nvidia driver (it is wasted to own a 3D accelerated card and not be able to take advantage of 3D acceleration by using the GPL driver - you might as well get a cheapo 2D-only video card). Now let me preface this next with the statement that I am NOT ranting. I am providing a very reasonable critique with the underlying implication on how to fix it... I do NOT have broadband and it is not acceptable to tie up my phoneline for the incredibly long period necessary to download a kernel source rpm (my wife is on call, our phone service in the boonies is less than perfect). If I just spent money to support Mandrake but get screwed without kernel source, then I feel I've wasted my money. I buy the CDs for convenience, to avoid useing exceedingly slow modem connections. What's the point of spending money on something that is incomplete and difficult to complete? I need the kernel source within minutes of completing the installation or my video card is garbage - as is some of my other hardware which flat-out requires kernel-source to build their drivers, which MUST be built, and some of my software, which MUST be built. Experimental kernels are garbage, in the scheme of things, and should be left for downloading only rather than be supplied on CDs. I would have to say that the multimedia kernel is also pointless given that most people don't need, nor use it. Cut this extraneous fluff to permit room for rather critical packages. I am NOT even really ranting against experimental kernels or the multimedia kernel, etc, but I am saying that their importance is small relative to more important items like kernel source (from which you can build your multimedia kernel if you wish and do not want to download such a binary rpm). I am merely ranking things in order of importance considering limited resources (CDs). If space is limited, then you make cuts to cover the most ground with the most efficiency. Now I hope I am wrong and that when my paid-for CDs come I find kernel source on them. If not, then Mandrake is simply leaving a bad taste in my mouth and causing what would otherwise be a simple install to become problematic. POTENTIALLY (not certain as I do not have the CDs yet) more problem than it is worth given all the factors I must consider. Get real here. There are a bunch of kernel rpms supplied that are just not critical right off the bat (experimental, multimedia). Dump them if space is a premium and have those who want them download them...why should this minority of users who actually use these kernels receive more consideration (given the CD limitations) than most users who do not use them? Now I do base this criticism upon what I am reading in the thread about missing kernel source. Is this the limit for those downloading base iso's? Or is it true for those of us who shell out for official CDs too? If it is the former...I am less upset though I think my logic (ranking what is really important vs what is nice) holds. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:47 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: Praedor Atrebates kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu 2003 19:41): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL.
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:11:03 -0500 Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, thanks for the clarification...that said however, I am now concerned that I wasted my money by purchasing 9.2. I expect the CDs to arrive by the end of the month and expect the source to be included as my Nvidia card is essentially useless without the official, compiled Nvidia driver All box sets for 9.2 contain pre-compiled drivers for both nvidia and the ati. you not need to compile them yourself. See http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/92/comparison Charles -- If you want to eat hippopatomus, you've got to pay the freight. -- attributed to an IBM guy, about why IBM software uses so much memory - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-12.tmb.1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] A bit more information and I am no longer prepared to be T'd off when I get my CDs. I see that the bare-bones, 3CD iso download addition is what is missing the kernel source, not what I ordered (nor what anyone paid for). Given this, it is still not unreasonable to NOT include the any experimental kernel, multimedia kernel, enterprise kernel, smp kernel, etc, IF that is what it takes to get something as basic as the kernel-source onto the first 3 CDs. Have the others available for download separately as it is a relative None of the contrib kernels are on the download edition... Here is a list of all packages on the download edition... http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/15.php3 The reason for dropping kernel-source, was AFAIK to make room for all the kde-i18n, koffice-i18n stuff... as you know mdk supports *many* languages... as for dropping smp / enterprise kernels... that's not an option..., as there are many home-users too that have smp systems... of course you could drop the up kernels, since the smp/ent kernels does work on up system, but then again we would have to drop support for laptop features, as not all of them are smp safe... few that use them as compared to those with NVidia video cards and the like (those who need to rebuild the kernel or build drivers that depend on the kernel source). This is simply something that should be reconsidered for future releases as a way to optimize for functionality given limited space. As I paid for the powerpack addition, I am no longer concerned with being without the kernel-source on one of the CDs. Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
