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Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 00:04 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Miark: Excellent post! Kudos to you for that fine response. I can't add much to that, except to say that companies like Chrysler have weathered bankruptcy protection in the past, and look where they are today. Dennis Meyers was pointing this out in a post sometime yesterday. So there are successful companies out there (big ones) that have had the same dilemma as Mandrakesoft has now. And they have grown and prospered as a result. In this case, what doesn't kill you will make you stronger. I also regard Miark's response a fine wrap-up of the whole thing. To you US-Americans and French people such a bankrupt but still in business is common ground and well understood as a positive step towards a healthy business. The difficulty is to tell it to folks like mine (Germans) who don't have that kind of Chapter 11. Well in a sense we have it too but the normal way is: You can't pay your bills and you don't get investors to do that for you? You can't find a larger company to buy you out? You're out. The business will be closed and everything will be sold to satisfy the creditors. You can start with a new business. Now we have to tell German users that it is a positive move that MandrakeSoft made and by far not the end of it. (Not only the Germans, there are some other countries where bankruptcy is the end of a company.) wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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K-Mart seems to file for bankruptcy protection so often that I think it must be part of their business model! :-) They're closing some stores, but I don't see them going out of business in the near future. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 16:30, Miark wrote: Ken, Don't be passive. If you, Ken Hawkins, want Mandrakesoft to prosper, then you Ken Hawkins, should do what you can to see that happen. I'm no suggesting taking out a bank loan to donate to Mandrake, but if you had already planned on renewing your subscription, then you should do so. If you don't, on the other hand, you'll be adding to their financial challenges--challenges that may force Mandrakesoft to let go of great people. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem--even if I lose my stupid club membership money. And forget about pointing fingers at management. The current financial woes are the remains of the old management, not the new. Mistakes were made; mistakes were corrected--end of story. The only question now is what we can do to help. Remember Kennedy's, Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.? It's the same thing. Renew your membership. Miark Miark: Excellent post! Kudos to you for that fine response. I can't add much to that, except to say that companies like Chrysler have weathered bankruptcy protection in the past, and look where they are today. Dennis Meyers was pointing this out in a post sometime yesterday. So there are successful companies out there (big ones) that have had the same dilemma as Mandrakesoft has now. And they have grown and prospered as a result. In this case, what doesn't kill you will make you stronger. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Please, it's to me understand. I believe that here in Brazil we have something similar to US-Chapter 11. So, this C.11 would be like a moratorium? Like what is happening to Argentina this moment for example. Because, certainly, things don't take place here as in Germany. On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: The difficulty is to tell it to folks like mine (Germans) who don't have that kind of Chapter 11. Well in a sense we have it too but the normal way is: You can't pay your bills and you don't get investors to do that for you? You can't find a larger company to buy you out? You're out. The business will be closed and everything will be sold to satisfy the creditors. You can start with a new business. -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Please, it's to me understand. I believe that here in Brazil we have something similar to US-Chapter 11. So, this C.11 would be like a moratorium? Like what is happening to Argentina this moment for example. Because, certainly, things don't take place here as in Germany. On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: The difficulty is to tell it to folks like mine (Germans) who don't have that kind of Chapter 11. Well in a sense we have it too but the normal way is: You can't pay your bills and you don't get investors to do that for you? You can't find a larger company to buy you out? You're out. The business will be closed and everything will be sold to satisfy the creditors. You can start with a new business. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Yes, a kind of. They are under protection of the state, so that they can stop paying their debts. Then a judge is responsible to estimate the viability of the company, and they can renegociate their payments. Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 07:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I also regard Miark's response a fine wrap-up of the whole thing. To you US-Americans and French people such a bankrupt but still in business is common ground and well understood as a positive step towards a healthy business. The difficulty is to tell it to folks like mine (Germans) who don't have that kind of Chapter 11. Well in a sense we have it too but the normal way is: You can't pay your bills and you don't get investors to do that for you? You can't find a larger company to buy you out? You're out. The business will be closed and everything will be sold to satisfy the creditors. You can start with a new business. Ouch. A very unforgiving system The reasons that bankruptcy protection are done over here are probably manyfold. But one that comes to mind right away is that if you disassociate the organization, you also are dissolving the people infrastructure, which is the REAL TRUE valuable thing about the company. For instance, Mandrake now has a system of programmers and systems personell that work well together, and know each other's habits; a unique plethora of interactive habits that all come together to help produce the result we know as the Mandrake distro. In a forgiving system that allows for mistakes, such a positive system can weather bad times with it's unique virtues intact, allowing those positive virtues of the people infrastructure to grow stronger, and the company to evolve. Companies are not static entities, they are dynamic and continually evolving. A Chapter 11 style protection allows the evolution to continue, instead of truncating it and then having to rebuild a people infrastructure that has a completely different (and perhaps inferior) set of characteristics about it. In my view, people systems are individuals; unique in the same way that individuals themselves are unique. That's why I've always considered it very important that I be a part of the Mandrake club; that is my way of protecting that individuality that is the people infrastructure of Mandrakesoft. This list here is a people system; so is the newbie; so is the cooker. And further, these people systems are all part of the larger Mandrakesoft system. The characteristics of these lists (I believe) reflect on Mandrake system at large; showing those characteristics that are prevalent in the French company. The fact that we are all here shows that we all have characteristics within our unique selves that extrapolate to the larger entity with ease. That's why we all enjoy being on the lists. That's also why we should and mostly do support the company. Now we have to tell German users that it is a positive move that MandrakeSoft made and by far not the end of it. (Not only the Germans, there are some other countries where bankruptcy is the end of a company.) wobo --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Makes ya wonder why they don't change their name to B-Mart. :-) Miark On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:00:34 -0600 Jim Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K-Mart seems to file for bankruptcy protection so often that I think it must be part of their business model! :-) They're closing some stores, but I don't see them going out of business in the near future. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Alan, Yes... you've correctly stated it for the US version. People you owe money to have to halt collection proceedings, the court appoints an overseer to decide who gets paid when etc. Downside is that quite often you now become a cash only business (for the small guy with little in the way of assets.) The up side is that it's considered responsible business (You aren't cheating people out of money, you're just taking longer to pay them.) James On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 06:07, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Please, it's to me understand. I believe that here in Brazil we have something similar to US-Chapter 11. So, this C.11 would be like a moratorium? Like what is happening to Argentina this moment for example. Because, certainly, things don't take place here as in Germany. On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: The difficulty is to tell it to folks like mine (Germans) who don't have that kind of Chapter 11. Well in a sense we have it too but the normal way is: You can't pay your bills and you don't get investors to do that for you? You can't find a larger company to buy you out? You're out. The business will be closed and everything will be sold to satisfy the creditors. You can start with a new business. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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In Canada it is the same as Germany, the equivalent of Chapter 11 is for the benefit of the creditors, not the company. Assets get disposed of to satisfy debt. We are in fact losing the head office of many Canadian Co's that move their address to Delaware USA because of the tendancy there to give preference to keeping the company viable. In my defence, my pension plan had some $ in Nortel, so I am automatically concerned over any sign of tech company problems. Sorry for the OT... Ken On Thursday 16 January 2003 12:49 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 00:04 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Miark: Excellent post! Kudos to you for that fine response. I can't add much to that, except to say that companies like Chrysler have weathered bankruptcy protection in the past, and look where they are today. Dennis Meyers was pointing this out in a post sometime yesterday. In this case, what doesn't kill you will make you stronger. SNIP I also regard Miark's response a fine wrap-up of the whole thing. To you US-Americans and French people such a bankrupt but still in business is common ground and well understood as a positive step towards a healthy business. SNIP (Not only the Germans, there are some other countries where bankruptcy is the end of a company.) wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?
I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. I hoped that the Club development could be a good new commercial model for Mandrake; I am a silver member and I have also bought a PowerPack to Mandrake Store. I am actually very happy with the 9.0 (also I was with 7.0, 7.2, 8.0 and 8.2), I have tested other distributions, but I don't know mailing-list as actives as the Mandrake ones (newbie, expert, cooker and this almost dead crashtesters) and I have ever found solutions for my problems thanks to the help of lot of Mandrake users ^_^; in fact I have never needed the 60 days Mandrake official help for my bought packages of the different distributions. My Mandrake Club will expire in more or less a month, I was decided to renove it, but now I am in a trouble. Will Mandrake dissapear and due to that I will lost the money and the services of the club? or this will help Mandrake to survive? I actually don't know what to do??? I am testing 9.1 beta and it looks pretty to a first beta... I will be a pity to lost the 9.1.. -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia Campus de Espinardo E-30100 Murcia España (Spain) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. My question is where the problem originated. After the recent CEO/ scandals in the US, I begin to be suspicious of the management team at MandrakeSoft ( or any corporation for that matter). Were they a group of suits who SUPPOSEDLY knew about raising capital? What are they being paid? What colour is their parachute? Far too often in the last decade, businesses needing to raise funds to grow have fallen victim to scammers who wring them dry, drive them into the ground, then receive parting bonuses for this service. I have played with a lot of distro's, and I believe that Mandrake is the best all-around. The guru's such as Civileme and Todd, and the community support on this list are second-to-none. Senior managers MUST be held to account. If Mandrake keeps management, but releases tech staff, then I will no longer support them with my dollars. Sorry for my rant, but too many good people have been paying the price for bad decisions by jack-asses. Ken On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:26 pm, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. I hoped that the Club development could be a good new commercial model for Mandrake; I am a silver member and I have also bought a PowerPack to Mandrake Store. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 01:47, Ken Hawkins wrote: I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. Yes, if enough people think like that, Mandrake will go down. If on the other hand they don't, it will survive and one day prosper. Like it or not many of us are part of the herd where the herd goes, we go. Thus, it's partly up to people like you. We've got to think with the bigger picture in mind. Damon -- Damon Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I certainly don't want Mandrake to fail; what I want is an idea of whether my money is going to developers and product improvement, or to some suit's Caymen Island bank account.. Ken On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:58 pm, Damon Lynch wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 01:47, Ken Hawkins wrote: I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. Yes, if enough people think like that, Mandrake will go down. If on the other hand they don't, it will survive and one day prosper. Like it or not many of us are part of the herd where the herd goes, we go. Thus, it's partly up to people like you. We've got to think with the bigger picture in mind. Damon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:04 am, Ken Hawkins wrote: I certainly don't want Mandrake to fail; what I want is an idea of whether my money is going to developers and product improvement, or to some suit's Caymen Island bank account.. Ken well that is the best part about Chapt. 11, you get to have lawyers and judges looking over everthing to make sure it seems fair to the folks owed the money, and that owing the money was fair too. and if it ain't fair, just cause some manager who was here 3 years ago signed the contract, if it ain't fair, then the judges have the responsibility of saying to someoneget over it. At least in the bankruptcy courts I have been in*, the judges seemed to feel that if you had money to loan you had money to loose, and that forgiveness was the responsibility of the least fair. * and it weren't for my being broke, it was companies (and individuals) owing me and claiming bankruptcy. On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:58 pm, Damon Lynch wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 01:47, Ken Hawkins wrote: I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. Yes, if enough people think like that, Mandrake will go down. If on the other hand they don't, it will survive and one day prosper. Like it or not many of us are part of the herd where the herd goes, we go. Thus, it's partly up to people like you. We've got to think with the bigger picture in mind. Damon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Ken, Don't be passive. If you, Ken Hawkins, want Mandrakesoft to prosper, then you Ken Hawkins, should do what you can to see that happen. I'm no suggesting taking out a bank loan to donate to Mandrake, but if you had already planned on renewing your subscription, then you should do so. If you don't, on the other hand, you'll be adding to their financial challenges--challenges that may force Mandrakesoft to let go of great people. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem--even if I lose my stupid club membership money. And forget about pointing fingers at management. The current financial woes are the remains of the old management, not the new. Mistakes were made; mistakes were corrected--end of story. The only question now is what we can do to help. Remember Kennedy's, Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.? It's the same thing. Renew your membership. Miark On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:47:23 + Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. My question is where the problem originated. After the recent CEO/ scandals in the US, I begin to be suspicious of the management team at MandrakeSoft ( or any corporation for that matter). Were they a group of suits who SUPPOSEDLY knew about raising capital? What are they being paid? What colour is their parachute? Far too often in the last decade, businesses needing to raise funds to grow have fallen victim to scammers who wring them dry, drive them into the ground, then receive parting bonuses for this service. I have played with a lot of distro's, and I believe that Mandrake is the best all-around. The guru's such as Civileme and Todd, and the community support on this list are second-to-none. Senior managers MUST be held to account. If Mandrake keeps management, but releases tech staff, then I will no longer support them with my dollars. Sorry for my rant, but too many good people have been paying the price for bad decisions by jack-asses. Ken On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:26 pm, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. I hoped that the Club development could be a good new commercial model for Mandrake; I am a silver member and I have also bought a PowerPack to Mandrake Store. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Speaking only for myself and not as representative of the company because I don't know a great deal of what's going on. Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 09:26:10PM +0100 : I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. Guys this is not the mailing list for this discussion. So I will end it with the obvious: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt Chapter 11 is bankruptcy protection. Google for it if you need more info. Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ Hey, I'm perfectly reasonable once you realize I'm right. -- John Buttery on Mutt Users ML Cooker Version mandrake-release-9.1-0.1mdk Kernel 2.4.20-2mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JdTclp7v05cW2woRAtu8AKDApXZZy93MULHrsChLey8TzaAZJwCfRagu tdedc/3oQmpJI0lZshftyGs= =NsLA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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One point ... they take out the fee monthly from my card. Now if the company fails... they can't take out the fee and or I can stop payment through my ccard company. So if I pay.. I get the service until the service is no more, and then I don't pay. James On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 12:26, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. I hoped that the Club development could be a good new commercial model for Mandrake; I am a silver member and I have also bought a PowerPack to Mandrake Store. I am actually very happy with the 9.0 (also I was with 7.0, 7.2, 8.0 and 8.2), I have tested other distributions, but I don't know mailing-list as actives as the Mandrake ones (newbie, expert, cooker and this almost dead crashtesters) and I have ever found solutions for my problems thanks to the help of lot of Mandrake users ^_^; in fact I have never needed the 60 days Mandrake official help for my bought packages of the different distributions. My Mandrake Club will expire in more or less a month, I was decided to renove it, but now I am in a trouble. Will Mandrake dissapear and due to that I will lost the money and the services of the club? or this will help Mandrake to survive? I actually don't know what to do??? I am testing 9.1 beta and it looks pretty to a first beta... I will be a pity to lost the 9.1.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 13:38 -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: Speaking only for myself and not as representative of the company because I don't know a great deal of what's going on. Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 09:26:10PM +0100 : I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. Guys this is not the mailing list for this discussion. So I will end it with the obvious: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt Chapter 11 is bankruptcy protection. Google for it if you need more info. Of course, we all know that. In the newsgroup and here were some kind souls to explain what Chapter 11 and the french equivalent (which is what MandrakeSoft applied for) really mean. But one thing is sure: there will be changes. And as long as we don't know which changes are to come all discussion here is void and only based on speculations. I have a very strong interest in seeing MandrakeSoft alive because I'd have to find a contract with some other project if my contract with MandrakeSoft will go down the drain. I have a much stronger interest in seeing MandrakeSoft alive because I really like it and after trying Caldera, Red Hat and SuSE it was the #1 for me since 5.3. So let's all keep calm and wait what comes out of this newest move from MandrakeSoft. Any Mandrake should have this and Mandrake should have not done that! is obsolete now and only interesting for history geeks. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C programmers.. when trying to state something meant to be obvious, please do not save yourself from the hassle to type is different from :o) Damian (always with the stupidest comment at his fingertips) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:38 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C programmers.. when trying to state something meant to be obvious, please do not save yourself from the hassle to type is different from :o) Damian (always with the stupidest comment at his fingertips) You don´t need to know C, python or perl will do ;-) Sascha - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JjvggzJdfX+cTW8RAmiKAJwOdo5PLfl/ggnJAyJPqXpPInkqVQCfYxDL e5PSDbyMkvUoPhVrqbgIl34= =cecS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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This time Sascha Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:38 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C programmers.. when trying to state something meant to be obvious, please do not save yourself from the hassle to type is different from :o) Damian (always with the stupidest comment at his fingertips) You don´t need to know C, python or perl will do ;-) Actually, just plain math will do...at least here in Mexico we get to learn that != moans is different from when in 9th or 10th grade. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg64412/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Dang and me just being a shell hack, and an old one to boot remember that Chrysler once went bankrupt.. James On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 20:58, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:38 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C programmers.. when trying to state something meant to be obvious, please do not save yourself from the hassle to type is different from :o) Damian (always with the stupidest comment at his fingertips) You don´t need to know C, python or perl will do ;-) Sascha - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JjvggzJdfX+cTW8RAmiKAJwOdo5PLfl/ggnJAyJPqXpPInkqVQCfYxDL e5PSDbyMkvUoPhVrqbgIl34= =cecS -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Actually, just plain math will do...at least here in Mexico we get to learn that != moans is different from when in 9th or 10th grade. Vox Well, make it just plain mexican math will do then :o) Over here, we are taught that is different from is symbolized with a striked-out = sign. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 16:30, Miark wrote: Ken, Don't be passive. If you, Ken Hawkins, want Mandrakesoft to prosper, then you Ken Hawkins, should do what you can to see that happen. I'm no suggesting taking out a bank loan to donate to Mandrake, but if you had already planned on renewing your subscription, then you should do so. If you don't, on the other hand, you'll be adding to their financial challenges--challenges that may force Mandrakesoft to let go of great people. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem--even if I lose my stupid club membership money. And forget about pointing fingers at management. The current financial woes are the remains of the old management, not the new. Mistakes were made; mistakes were corrected--end of story. The only question now is what we can do to help. Remember Kennedy's, Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.? It's the same thing. Renew your membership. Miark Miark: Excellent post! Kudos to you for that fine response. I can't add much to that, except to say that companies like Chrysler have weathered bankruptcy protection in the past, and look where they are today. Dennis Meyers was pointing this out in a post sometime yesterday. So there are successful companies out there (big ones) that have had the same dilemma as Mandrakesoft has now. And they have grown and prospered as a result. In this case, what doesn't kill you will make you stronger. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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This time James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: Dang and me just being a shell hack, and an old one to boot remember that Chrysler once went bankrupt.. Actually twice...once at the beginning of the Iaccoca age (he used it to stop the debt payments so he could sink money in the development of the K cars) and once a few years after him. Ford has gone Ch.11 too, IIRC. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg64421/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
