Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:02:09PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02 +, Larry Marshall wrote: It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. Mandrake doesn't seem to know that :-) I have the same problem Ken has and I'm running an AMD K6-2 500. Same here: AMD K6-2 400 being recognized by MDK 7.2 as i586 wobo My K6-3 450 is recognised by LM7.2 as i586 also. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mob: 0419 535539 Can you buy friendship? You not only can, you must. It's the only way to obtain friends. Everything worthwhile has a price. -- Robert J. Ringer
RE: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
This is normal. As far as Linux is concerned your K6's MTRR registers conform to the i586 specs, not i686 specs... If you set your kernel to use i686 code you'll get a bunch of i686 MTRR errors during bootup. -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Robertson Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 11:02:09PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02 +, Larry Marshall wrote: It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. Mandrake doesn't seem to know that :-) I have the same problem Ken has and I'm running an AMD K6-2 500. Same here: AMD K6-2 400 being recognized by MDK 7.2 as i586 wobo My K6-3 450 is recognised by LM7.2 as i586 also. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mob: 0419 535539 Can you buy friendship? You not only can, you must. It's the only way to obtain friends. Everything worthwhile has a price. -- Robert J. Ringer
WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
Stop, Mandrake!!! You can't do that!! I still have a AMD K6 I need you guys to leave the i586 rpms IN the installation!! and I don't have the money to just go get a new i686 machine. Please do not exclude the i586 rpms from newer versions. I want to stay with Mandrake, I would hate to change dists again. On Tuesday 27 March 2001 01:28 am, so spoke Digital Wokan: Someone tell that to the people who let the d*** i686 packages into MandrakeFreq. Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear friends: I just an expert opinion on the --ignore command in rpm installations. E.g. #rpm -Uvh --ignorearch RealPlayer8.xxx.rpm My friend STRONGLY advises AGAINST using this command. He says that trying to get around the "different architecture" error message in this case is a hug mistake that will wipe out libraries and wreak havoc. So, do NOT use the --ignorearch way of installing an rpm file. Benjamin
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
um The K6 should be recognized as an i686. The Pentium 60-233mmx, Cyrix 6x86/MX, and AMD K5 were all i586 type processors. The PPro 150-200, P2/3, and K6/6-2 would be considered i686. Chubby Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 03/28/2001 10:10:58 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! Stop, Mandrake!!! You can't do that!! I still have a AMD K6 I need you guys to leave the i586 rpms IN the installation!! and I don't have the money to just go get a new i686 machine. Please do not exclude the i586 rpms from newer versions. I want to stay with Mandrake, I would hate to change dists again. On Tuesday 27 March 2001 01:28 am, so spoke Digital Wokan: Someone tell that to the people who let the d*** i686 packages into MandrakeFreq. Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear friends: I just an expert opinion on the --ignore command in rpm installations. E.g. #rpm -Uvh --ignorearch RealPlayer8.xxx.rpm My friend STRONGLY advises AGAINST using this command. He says that trying to get around the "different architecture" error message in this case is a hug mistake that will wipe out libraries and wreak havoc. So, do NOT use the --ignorearch way of installing an rpm file. Benjamin
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
On Wednesday 28 March 2001 07:25 am, you wrote: um The K6 should be recognized as an i686. The Pentium 60-233mmx, Cyrix 6x86/MX, and AMD K5 were all i586 type processors. The PPro 150-200, P2/3, and K6/6-2 would be considered i686. My AMD K6-2 450 is NOT recognized as i686 by makdrake. On the other hand, my intel PII 400 is, go figure... -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services Payette, Idaho 83661 (208) 642-11701 Web: http://www.nwaa.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HAM: WA7SYR - Member QCWA
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. Ken Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 03/28/2001 11:59:33 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! On Wednesday 28 March 2001 07:25 am, you wrote: um The K6 should be recognized as an i686. The Pentium 60-233mmx, Cyrix 6x86/MX, and AMD K5 were all i586 type processors. The PPro 150-200, P2/3, and K6/6-2 would be considered i686. My AMD K6-2 450 is NOT recognized as i686 by makdrake. On the other hand, my intel PII 400 is, go figure... -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services Payette, Idaho 83661 (208) 642-11701 Web: http://www.nwaa.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HAM: WA7SYR - Member QCWA
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until
the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors.
Ken Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 03/28/2001 11:59:33 AM
maybe you have to point your kernel to that family arch explicitly,
first?
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Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. Mandrake doesn't seem to know that :-) I have the same problem Ken has and I'm running an AMD K6-2 500. Cheers --- Larry
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
I had this before and ran it down. I was running an authentic AMD '586; this was identified by rpm as a 486. RPM is the problem Now I've two K6/2s also, and investigated a little, being a hardware head. Kernel notes make clear the K6 is an i686. Use --nodeps with rpm and forget it until you crash - that's my advice. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um The K6 should be recognized as an i686. The Pentium 60-233mmx, Cyrix 6x86/MX, and AMD K5 were all i586 type processors. The PPro 150-200, P2/3, and K6/6-2 would be considered i686. Chubby Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 03/28/2001 10:10:58 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! Stop, Mandrake!!! You can't do that!! I still have a AMD K6 I need you guys to leave the i586 rpms IN the installation!! and I don't have the money to just go get a new i686 machine. Please do not exclude the i586 rpms from newer versions. I want to stay with Mandrake, I would hate to change dists again. On Tuesday 27 March 2001 01:28 am, so spoke Digital Wokan: Someone tell that to the people who let the d*** i686 packages into MandrakeFreq. Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear friends: I just an expert opinion on the --ignore command in rpm installations. E.g. #rpm -Uvh --ignorearch RealPlayer8.xxx.rpm My friend STRONGLY advises AGAINST using this command. He says that trying to get around the "different architecture" error message in this case is a hug mistake that will wipe out libraries and wreak havoc. So, do NOT use the --ignorearch way of installing an rpm file. Benjamin
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
The AMD 5x86 is a fast 486, nothing more. It's 100% 486 architecture; they tried to fool a everyone with that. AMD didn't have a true i586 processor until the K5. Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ntlworld.ie on 03/28/2029 01:56:38 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! I had this before and ran it down. I was running an authentic AMD '586; this was identified by rpm as a 486. RPM is the problem Now I've two K6/2s also, and investigated a little, being a hardware head. Kernel notes make clear the K6 is an i686. Use --nodeps with rpm and forget it until you crash - that's my advice. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um The K6 should be recognized as an i686. The Pentium 60-233mmx, Cyrix 6x86/MX, and AMD K5 were all i586 type processors. The PPro 150-200, P2/3, and K6/6-2 would be considered i686. Chubby Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 03/28/2001 10:10:58 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! Stop, Mandrake!!! You can't do that!! I still have a AMD K6 I need you guys to leave the i586 rpms IN the installation!! and I don't have the money to just go get a new i686 machine. Please do not exclude the i586 rpms from newer versions. I want to stay with Mandrake, I would hate to change dists again. On Tuesday 27 March 2001 01:28 am, so spoke Digital Wokan: Someone tell that to the people who let the d*** i686 packages into MandrakeFreq. Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear friends: I just an expert opinion on the --ignore command in rpm installations. E.g. #rpm -Uvh --ignorearch RealPlayer8.xxx.rpm My friend STRONGLY advises AGAINST using this command. He says that trying to get around the "different architecture" error message in this case is a hug mistake that will wipe out libraries and wreak havoc. So, do NOT use the --ignorearch way of installing an rpm file. Benjamin
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02 +, Larry Marshall wrote: It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. Mandrake doesn't seem to know that :-) I have the same problem Ken has and I'm running an AMD K6-2 500. Same here: AMD K6-2 400 being recognized by MDK 7.2 as i586 wobo -- GPG-Fingerprint: FE5A 0891 7027 8D1B 4E3F 73C1 AD9B D732 A698 82EE For Public Key mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: GPG-Request --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
My K6-2/500 shows up as an i586. My Cyrix M2/PR300 shows up as an i686. There's something about the K6 that prevents it from qualifying as an i686. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. Ken Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]@linux-mandrake.com on 03/28/2001 11:59:33 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! On Wednesday 28 March 2001 07:25 am, you wrote: um The K6 should be recognized as an i686. The Pentium 60-233mmx, Cyrix 6x86/MX, and AMD K5 were all i586 type processors. The PPro 150-200, P2/3, and K6/6-2 would be considered i686. My AMD K6-2 450 is NOT recognized as i686 by makdrake. On the other hand, my intel PII 400 is, go figure... -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services Payette, Idaho 83661 (208) 642-11701 Web: http://www.nwaa.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HAM: WA7SYR - Member QCWA -- Digital Wokan, Tribal Mage of the Electronics Age Guerilla Linux Warrior
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
Digital Wokan wrote: My K6-2/500 shows up as an i586. My Cyrix M2/PR300 shows up as an i686. There's something about the K6 that prevents it from qualifying as an i686. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. My AMD K6-2 450 is NOT recognized as i686 by makdrake. On the other hand, my intel PII 400 is, go figure... -- Guys, this is a HUGE issue! There are millions of AMD K6-2s out there -- a large user base. I have one myself. If a new Mandrake i686 release doesn't properly recognize the architecture of these machines as i686 there will be a HUGE void in the potential user base for the new release. Not good for Mandrake. I have been following this thread fairly closely for curiousity sake. From what I have been able to gleen from the learned users that have contributed is that the K6-2 apparently has i686 archetecture. The problem from my reading appears to be that Mandrake doesn't recognize the K6-2 architecture correctly. The logical solution would appear to be to correct the architecture recognition problem BEFORE the next shrink-wrapped release to avoid alienating this large user base. I don't know how difficult this problem is to correct, but with all the great people working for and contributing to Mandrake, it can't be all that difficult. Above all -- when it is all said and done, it is the small things, the attention to detial, that determines whether a distro gains or loses market share. -- David Rankin Nacogdoches, Texas
Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
On Wednesday 28 March 2001 09:33 am, you wrote: It should be. i686 architecture began with the PPro and continued on until the P3. The K6-2 is of that generation of processors. I dunno, but if I try to install any i686 rpm's it howls and yowls about being compiled for a different architecture.. -- Ken Thompson Electrocom Computer Services Payette, Idaho 83661 (208) 642-11701 Web: http://www.nwaa.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HAM: WA7SYR - Member QCWA
RE: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!!
Eh, no. Have you looked at the kernel code? Have you tried recompiling the kernel? (Did you read the HELP about this issue?) Linux utilizes the mtrr registers which differ between the i686 and the K6. The K6 and the i586 are a correct match according to the kernel mtrr handler. If you want optimal speed with your K6 you are better off using the i586 optimizations, otherwise the byte alignments for the i686 will also come into play... etc. -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WAIT!! STOP!! Re: [expert] DON'T USE --ignorearch!!! Guys, this is a HUGE issue! There are millions of AMD K6-2s out there -- a large user base. I have one myself. If a new Mandrake i686 release doesn't properly recognize the architecture of these machines as i686 there will be a HUGE void in the potential user base for the new release. Not good for Mandrake.
