[Factor-talk] Does renderer method column-titles need a scroller ?
---
IN: items
USING: accessors kernel models ui ui.gadgets.scrollers
ui.gadgets.tables ;
MAIN-WINDOW: main { { pref-dim { 300 100 } } }
{ { "aaa" "bbb" } } trivial-renderer
>>gadgets ;
M: trivial-renderer column-titles drop { "A" "B" } ;
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works as expected. But without scroller column titles disappear:
---
IN: items
USING: accessors kernel models ui ui.gadgets.scrollers
ui.gadgets.tables ;
MAIN-WINDOW: main { { pref-dim { 300 100 } } }
{ { "aaa" "bbb" } } trivial-renderer
!
>>gadgets ;
M: trivial-renderer column-titles drop { "A" "B" } ;
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Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
Thanks, I have joined the Discord server and will seek help there if needed. John Benediktsson ezt írta (időpont: 2023. szept. 21., Cs, 18:33): > Yes, and we would be happy to help assist. > > A fair amount of developer conversation takes place on the Discord server, > if you want more real-time chats about it. Or on the Github issue I just > opened: > > https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2876 > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Krisztián Schaffer < > schaffer.kriszt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > *Is that something a newcomer can do?* > > Hello, > > This is my first post here. > > I've admired Factor for years, and reading its documentation once helped > me grasp the concept of refactoring. However, I've never really used it. > > Do you think this issue would be a good starting point? > > Thanks, > Krisztián > > John Benediktsson ezt írta (időpont: 2023. szept. 21., > Cs, 17:24): > >> I suspect if you put those font lines in your .factor-boot-rc and >> bootstrap it will all look good. We must be caching the default font in >> places and need that to all be responsive to changes. >> >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:22 AM Georg Simon wrote: >> >>> Yes restart and yes new listener window. >>> >>> For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". >>> I get an error message with two tiny lines. >>> I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. >>> >>> Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 >>> -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : >>> >>> > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? >>> > >>> > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size >>> > and that needs to be fixed. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Thank you, much better now. >>> > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. >>> > > >>> > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 >>> > > schrieb John Benediktsson : >>> > > >>> > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts >>> > >> vocab to be larger. >>> > >> >>> > >> IN: fonts >>> > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 >>> > >> “help.stylesheet” reload >>> > >> save >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon >>> > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes >>> > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Thanks, Georg >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ___ >>> > >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______ >>> > >> Factor-talk mailing list >>> > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ___ >>> > > Factor-talk mailing list >>> > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Factor-talk mailing list >>> > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] how to join the Discord server (was: font sizes in browser und listener)
Hi, Le 21/09/2023 à 19:46, CW Alston a écrit : Hi -- Just joined Discord! How do I find the Factor server there? This link should work: https://discord.gg/QxJYZx3QDf -- Vivien (jmiven) ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
https://discord.gg/QxJYZx3QDfOn Sep 21, 2023, at 10:48 AM, CW Alston wrote:Hi -- Just joined Discord! How do I find the Factor server there?On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:33 AM John Benediktsson <mrj...@gmail.com> wrote:Yes, and we would be happy to help assist. A fair amount of developer conversation takes place on the Discord server, if you want more real-time chats about it. Or on the Github issue I just opened:https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2876On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Krisztián Schaffer <schaffer.kriszt...@gmail.com> wrote:Is that something a newcomer can do?Hello,This is my first post here.I've admired Factor for years, and reading its documentation once helped me grasp the concept of refactoring. However, I've never really used it.Do you think this issue would be a good starting point?Thanks,KrisztiánJohn Benediktsson <mrj...@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2023. szept. 21., Cs, 17:24):I suspect if you put those font lines in your .factor-boot-rc and bootstrap it will all look good. We must be caching the default font in places and need that to all be responsive to changes. On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:22 AM Georg Simon <georg.si...@auge.de> wrote:Yes restart and yes new listener window. For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". I get an error message with two tiny lines. I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson <mrj...@gmail.com>: > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? > > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size > and that needs to be fixed. > > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon <georg.si...@auge.de> > > wrote: > > > > Thank you, much better now. > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. > > > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 > > schrieb John Benediktsson <mrj...@gmail.com>: > > > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts > >> vocab to be larger. > >> > >> IN: fonts > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 > >> “help.stylesheet” reload > >> save > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon <georg.si...@auge.de> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. > >>> > >>> Thanks, Georg > >>> > >>> > >>> _______ > >>> Factor-talk mailing list > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > >> > >> > >> _______ > >> Factor-talk mailing list > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___Factor-talk mailing listFactor-talk@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk_______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- ~ Memento Amori ___Factor-talk mailing listFactor-talk@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
Hi -- Just joined Discord! How do I find the Factor server there? On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:33 AM John Benediktsson wrote: > Yes, and we would be happy to help assist. > > A fair amount of developer conversation takes place on the Discord server, > if you want more real-time chats about it. Or on the Github issue I just > opened: > > https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2876 > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Krisztián Schaffer < > schaffer.kriszt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > *Is that something a newcomer can do?* > > Hello, > > This is my first post here. > > I've admired Factor for years, and reading its documentation once helped > me grasp the concept of refactoring. However, I've never really used it. > > Do you think this issue would be a good starting point? > > Thanks, > Krisztián > > John Benediktsson ezt írta (időpont: 2023. szept. 21., > Cs, 17:24): > >> I suspect if you put those font lines in your .factor-boot-rc and >> bootstrap it will all look good. We must be caching the default font in >> places and need that to all be responsive to changes. >> >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:22 AM Georg Simon wrote: >> >>> Yes restart and yes new listener window. >>> >>> For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". >>> I get an error message with two tiny lines. >>> I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. >>> >>> Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 >>> -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : >>> >>> > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? >>> > >>> > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size >>> > and that needs to be fixed. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Thank you, much better now. >>> > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. >>> > > >>> > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 >>> > > schrieb John Benediktsson : >>> > > >>> > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts >>> > >> vocab to be larger. >>> > >> >>> > >> IN: fonts >>> > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 >>> > >> “help.stylesheet” reload >>> > >> save >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon >>> > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes >>> > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Thanks, Georg >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ___ >>> > >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> _______ >>> > >> Factor-talk mailing list >>> > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ___ >>> > > Factor-talk mailing list >>> > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Factor-talk mailing list >>> > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > -- *~ Memento Amori* ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
Yes, and we would be happy to help assist. A fair amount of developer conversation takes place on the Discord server, if you want more real-time chats about it. Or on the Github issue I just opened: https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2876 > On Sep 21, 2023, at 9:00 AM, Krisztián Schaffer > wrote: > > Is that something a newcomer can do? > > Hello, > > This is my first post here. > > I've admired Factor for years, and reading its documentation once helped me > grasp the concept of refactoring. However, I've never really used it. > > Do you think this issue would be a good starting point? > > Thanks, > Krisztián > > John Benediktsson mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>> ezt írta > (időpont: 2023. szept. 21., Cs, 17:24): >> I suspect if you put those font lines in your .factor-boot-rc and bootstrap >> it will all look good. We must be caching the default font in places and >> need that to all be responsive to changes. >> >> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:22 AM Georg Simon > <mailto:georg.si...@auge.de>> wrote: >>> Yes restart and yes new listener window. >>> >>> For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". >>> I get an error message with two tiny lines. >>> I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. >>> >>> Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 >>> -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson >> <mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>>: >>> >>> > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? >>> > >>> > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size >>> > and that needs to be fixed. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon >> > > <mailto:georg.si...@auge.de>> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Thank you, much better now. >>> > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. >>> > > >>> > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 >>> > > schrieb John Benediktsson mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>>: >>> > > >>> > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts >>> > >> vocab to be larger. >>> > >> >>> > >> IN: fonts >>> > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 >>> > >> “help.stylesheet” reload >>> > >> save >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon >> > >>> <mailto:georg.si...@auge.de>> >>> > >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes >>> > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Thanks, Georg >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ___ >>> > >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > >>> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> ___ >>> > >> Factor-talk mailing list >>> > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > >> <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ___ >>> > > Factor-talk mailing list >>> > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > > <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> > >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Factor-talk mailing list >>> > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> > <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
*Is that something a newcomer can do?* Hello, This is my first post here. I've admired Factor for years, and reading its documentation once helped me grasp the concept of refactoring. However, I've never really used it. Do you think this issue would be a good starting point? Thanks, Krisztián John Benediktsson ezt írta (időpont: 2023. szept. 21., Cs, 17:24): > I suspect if you put those font lines in your .factor-boot-rc and > bootstrap it will all look good. We must be caching the default font in > places and need that to all be responsive to changes. > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:22 AM Georg Simon wrote: > >> Yes restart and yes new listener window. >> >> For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". >> I get an error message with two tiny lines. >> I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. >> >> Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 >> -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : >> >> > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? >> > >> > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size >> > and that needs to be fixed. >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Thank you, much better now. >> > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. >> > > >> > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 >> > > schrieb John Benediktsson : >> > > >> > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts >> > >> vocab to be larger. >> > >> >> > >> IN: fonts >> > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 >> > >> “help.stylesheet” reload >> > >> save >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes >> > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks, Georg >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> _______ >> > >>> Factor-talk mailing list >> > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______ >> > >> Factor-talk mailing list >> > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ___________ >> > > Factor-talk mailing list >> > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Factor-talk mailing list >> > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
I suspect if you put those font lines in your .factor-boot-rc and bootstrap it will all look good. We must be caching the default font in places and need that to all be responsive to changes. On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 8:22 AM Georg Simon wrote: > Yes restart and yes new listener window. > > For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". > I get an error message with two tiny lines. > I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. > > Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 > -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : > > > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? > > > > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size > > and that needs to be fixed. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon > > > wrote: > > > > > > Thank you, much better now. > > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. > > > > > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 > > > schrieb John Benediktsson : > > > > > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts > > >> vocab to be larger. > > >> > > >> IN: fonts > > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 > > >> “help.stylesheet” reload > > >> save > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes > > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, Georg > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> Factor-talk mailing list > > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Factor-talk mailing list > > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > Factor-talk mailing list > > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
Yes restart and yes new listener window. For instance I can start the listener and enter "today". I get an error message with two tiny lines. I choose "Use the calendar vocabulary" and get some more tiny messages. Am Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:04:48 -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : > Did you restart Factor after saving? Or open a new listener window? > > I noticed the tips of the day at the top don’t properly grow in size > and that needs to be fixed. > > > > > On Sep 21, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Georg Simon > > wrote: > > > > Thank you, much better now. > > Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. > > > > Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 > > schrieb John Benediktsson : > > > >> The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts > >> vocab to be larger. > >> > >> IN: fonts > >> CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 > >> “help.stylesheet” reload > >> save > >> > >> > >>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes > >>> permanently, menu bar and search field included. > >>> > >>> Thanks, Georg > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Factor-talk mailing list > >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > >> > >> > >> _______ > >> Factor-talk mailing list > >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > > > > > ___________ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
Thank you, much better now. Only the messages printed by the listener are still tiny. Am Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:27:45 -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : > The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts > vocab to be larger. > > IN: fonts > CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 > “help.stylesheet” reload > save > > > > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon > > wrote: > > > > Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes > > permanently, menu bar and search field included. > > > > Thanks, Georg > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font sizes in browser und listener
The quickest way is to change the default-font-size in the fonts vocab to be larger. IN: fonts CONSTANT: default-font-size 36 “help.stylesheet” reload save > On Sep 19, 2023, at 12:56 AM, Georg Simon wrote: > > Using now 2560x1600 pixels I would like to change all font sizes > permanently, menu bar and search field included. > > Thanks, Georg > > > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor 0.99 now available
Congratz on the release ! It's very nice to see the continued
involvement in Factor :)
Jon
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 6:30 PM John Benediktsson wrote:
>
> "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -
> Confucius
>
> I’m very pleased to announce the release of Factor 0.99! You can find download
> links on the Factor website:
>
> https://factorcode.org
>
> This release is brought to you with over 4,100 commits by the following
> individuals:
>
> Abtin Molavi, Ales Huzik, Alex null Maestas, Alexander Ilin, Alexandre
> Rousseau, Aleksander Sabak, Arnaut Daniel, Ashish Kurmi, Benjamin Pollack,
> Cat Stevens, Cecilia Knäbchen, Chris Double, Craig Allen, Dave Carlton,
> David Flores, David Mindlin, Doug Coleman, Dusk Banks, Fred Alger,
> Giftpflanze, Ikko Ashimine, Jack Lucas, John Benediktsson, Jon Harper,
> Justin Hill, KUSUMOTO Norio, Keldan Chapman, Kevin Cope, Konrad Hinsen,
> Kye
> Shi, Mark Sweeney, Mohamed Akram, Nandeeka Nayak, Niklas Larsson, Raghu
> Ranganathan, Rudi Grinberg, Samuel Tardieu, Sebastian Strobl, Sergii
> Fesenko, Silvio Mayolo, Steve Ayerhart, Zoltán Kéri, @Capital-EX,
> @inivekin, @mariari, @nicolas-p, @nomennescio, @timor
>
> Besides some bug fixes and library improvements, I want to highlight the
> following changes:
>
> * Added a Guided Tour of Factor
> * Upgraded to Unicode 15
> * The fixups vocabulary makes upgrading easier when words are renamed
> * Windows binaries now include OpenSSL 3.1.2 and SQLite 3.42.0 for
> convenience
> * Re-added some support for FreeBSD
> * Improved non-English text entry on macOS
> * Removed support for 32-bit macOS
> * File editors are now specified using EDITOR: syntax
> * Switched to newer ucrtbase.dll on Windows
> * Support disassembly using Capstone in addition to Udis86
> * String literals must be separated by whitespace — "hello"length and
> "foo""bar"append are no longer accepted by the parser
> * The fry and locals syntax words are now in syntax for use in all
> vocabularies
> * Any word can be referred to by it’s fully-qualified name (e.g., math:+ or
> xml.writer:pprint-xml)
> * The Emacs “FUEL” and VIM plugins have been updated
>
> Some possible backwards compatibility issues:
>
> * Moved colors.constants and colors.hex to colors vocabulary
> * Merged io.binary.fast into io.binary
> * Merged io.directories.{hierarchy,search} into io.directories
> * Merged io.encodings.utf16n into io.encodings.utf16
> * Renamed math.ranges to ranges
> * Renamed ranges words from [a,b] to [a..b]
> * Changed FUNCTION: syntax to not require a semi-colon at the end
> * Renamed exists? to file-exists?
> * Renamed vector dot product from v. to vdot
> * Renamed short to index-or-length
> * Renamed various sorting words to be more simple
> * Improved icons and other UI images on retina displays
> * URL query strings only split on ampersand (?a=b=d) not semi-colon
> (?a=b;c=d)
> * Renamed some words in interval-sets to prefix interval-…
> * Renamed contents to read-contents
> * Renamed lines to read-lines
> * Renamed selections to all-selections
> * Renamed intersection to intersect-all
> * Merged json.reader and json.writer into json vocabulary
> * Merged bson.reader and bson.writer into bson vocabulary
> * Moved talks to separate factor-talks repository
> * Renamed ui.backend.gtk to ui.backend.gtk2 to prepare for newer GTK support
>
> For more details, please see the full announcement at:
>
> https://re.factorcode.org/2023/08/factor-0-99-now-available.html
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[Factor-talk] Factor 0.99 now available
"I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." - Confucius
I’m very pleased to announce the release of Factor 0.99! You can find download
links on the Factor website:
https://factorcode.org
This release is brought to you with over 4,100 commits by the following
individuals:
Abtin Molavi, Ales Huzik, Alex null Maestas, Alexander Ilin, Alexandre
Rousseau, Aleksander Sabak, Arnaut Daniel, Ashish Kurmi, Benjamin Pollack,
Cat Stevens, Cecilia Knäbchen, Chris Double, Craig Allen, Dave Carlton,
David Flores, David Mindlin, Doug Coleman, Dusk Banks, Fred Alger,
Giftpflanze, Ikko Ashimine, Jack Lucas, John Benediktsson, Jon Harper,
Justin Hill, KUSUMOTO Norio, Keldan Chapman, Kevin Cope, Konrad Hinsen, Kye
Shi, Mark Sweeney, Mohamed Akram, Nandeeka Nayak, Niklas Larsson, Raghu
Ranganathan, Rudi Grinberg, Samuel Tardieu, Sebastian Strobl, Sergii
Fesenko, Silvio Mayolo, Steve Ayerhart, Zoltán Kéri, @Capital-EX,
@inivekin, @mariari, @nicolas-p, @nomennescio, @timor
Besides some bug fixes and library improvements, I want to highlight the
following changes:
* Added a Guided Tour of Factor
* Upgraded to Unicode 15
* The fixups vocabulary makes upgrading easier when words are renamed
* Windows binaries now include OpenSSL 3.1.2 and SQLite 3.42.0 for convenience
* Re-added some support for FreeBSD
* Improved non-English text entry on macOS
* Removed support for 32-bit macOS
* File editors are now specified using EDITOR: syntax
* Switched to newer ucrtbase.dll on Windows
* Support disassembly using Capstone in addition to Udis86
* String literals must be separated by whitespace — "hello"length and
"foo""bar"append are no longer accepted by the parser
* The fry and locals syntax words are now in syntax for use in all
vocabularies
* Any word can be referred to by it’s fully-qualified name (e.g., math:+ or
xml.writer:pprint-xml)
* The Emacs “FUEL” and VIM plugins have been updated
Some possible backwards compatibility issues:
* Moved colors.constants and colors.hex to colors vocabulary
* Merged io.binary.fast into io.binary
* Merged io.directories.{hierarchy,search} into io.directories
* Merged io.encodings.utf16n into io.encodings.utf16
* Renamed math.ranges to ranges
* Renamed ranges words from [a,b] to [a..b]
* Changed FUNCTION: syntax to not require a semi-colon at the end
* Renamed exists? to file-exists?
* Renamed vector dot product from v. to vdot
* Renamed short to index-or-length
* Renamed various sorting words to be more simple
* Improved icons and other UI images on retina displays
* URL query strings only split on ampersand (?a=b=d) not semi-colon
(?a=b;c=d)
* Renamed some words in interval-sets to prefix interval-…
* Renamed contents to read-contents
* Renamed lines to read-lines
* Renamed selections to all-selections
* Renamed intersection to intersect-all
* Merged json.reader and json.writer into json vocabulary
* Merged bson.reader and bson.writer into bson vocabulary
* Moved talks to separate factor-talks repository
* Renamed ui.backend.gtk to ui.backend.gtk2 to prepare for newer GTK support
For more details, please see the full announcement at:
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Re: [Factor-talk] Vocabulary sorting.slots disappeared ?
It was proposed to rename to sorting.specification, as part of a sorting cleanup:sorting.specification vocabulary - Factor Documentationdocs.factorcode.orgOn May 30, 2023, at 5:10 AM, Georg Simon wrote:InFactor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 202217:53:17) [GCC 11.2.0] on linuxI use compare-slots from sorting.slotsNow inFactor 0.99 x86.64 (2210, heads/master-d3f152ca06, May 28 202300:36:35) [GCC 11.3.0] on linuxI can no longer find it.Thanks, Georg___Factor-talk mailing listFactor-talk@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Vocabulary sorting.slots disappeared ?
In Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 2022 17:53:17) [GCC 11.2.0] on linux I use compare-slots from sorting.slots Now in Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2210, heads/master-d3f152ca06, May 28 2023 00:36:35) [GCC 11.3.0] on linux I can no longer find it. Thanks, Georg ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor for micro controllers?
no, none that I know of, at least. an arm64 backend is in progress (visible on a branch in github), and that should be of help to run factor on microcontrollers that support it. On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 10:31 AM Martin Hohmann-Marriott < martin.hohmann-marri...@united-scientists.org> wrote: > Hi > > I was wondering if someone is working on a Factor implementation for micro > controllers (e.g. Esp32-C3, RPiPico) ? any leads? > > Cheers, > Martin > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Factor for micro controllers?
Hi I was wondering if someone is working on a Factor implementation for micro controllers (e.g. Esp32-C3, RPiPico) ? any leads? Cheers, Martin___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Handling keyboard input
Hi,
in terminals, the application interacts with text streams (0 stdin, 1
stdout, 2 stderr, and optionally others with higher numbers) so all
you can get is text (including control characters). You can find
documentation here
https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-streams.html . You should
be able to write a program to solve
https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Keyboard_input/Obtain_a_Y_or_N_response
from https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-stream-examples.html
for example.
This is very mature.
To work with keyboard key codes (which can represent modifiers like
control or alt) in the terminal, you need a more general library.
Factor has ncurses bindings which look like it should work on windows
mac and linux: https://docs.factorcode.org/content/vocab-curses.html
if that's what you're looking for.
To work with keyboard key codes in a graphical window, you can use the
UI support in the library:
https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-ui.html and more precisely
https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-ui-gestures.html and
https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-keyboard-gestures.html .
You can get a feel of what kind of event you can receive by running
the run-gesture-logger from extra/gesture-logger/gesture-logger.factor
. Here's the output from a short session I just did:
(random pressing keys on my keyboard and moving the cursor with the
focus on the the black window opened by factor to have focus on it:
T{ key-down }
T{ key-up { mods { A+ } } }
lose-focus
gain-focus
lose-focus
gain-focus
T{ key-down }
T{ key-up { mods { C+ } } }
T{ key-down }
T{ key-down { sym "A" } }
T{ key-up { sym "A" } }
T{ key-up }
T{ key-down }
T{ key-up }
T{ key-down { sym "D" } }
T{ key-up { sym "D" } }
T{ key-down { sym "A" } }
T{ key-up { sym "A" } }
T{ key-down }
T{ key-up }
T{ key-down { sym "RET" } }
T{ key-up { sym "RET" } }
T{ key-down { sym "BACKSPACE" } }
T{ key-up { sym "BACKSPACE" } }
mouse-enter
motion
motion
motion
motion
motion
mouse-leave
lose-focus
)
Hope that helps, feel free to ask more questions !
Cheers,
Jon
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 4:58 PM Cleverson Casarin Uliana
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Have you implemented keyboard handling in a terminal like the Windows
> command prompt? In the factor library, there is e.g. extra/key-handlers,
> but it seems quite sparse.
>
> In Rosetta Code there is no related tasks implemented as well; see for
> example the Keyboard Input related tasks at:
> https://rosettacode.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Programming_Tasks=Four+is+magic#mw-pages
>
> I'd like something similar to 8th in this respect, see:
> https://8th-dev.com/manual.html#key-codes
>
> P.S.: Apologies to the moderator for sending a message from the wrong
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>
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[Factor-talk] Handling keyboard input
Hi, Have you implemented keyboard handling in a terminal like the Windows command prompt? In the factor library, there is e.g. extra/key-handlers, but it seems quite sparse. In Rosetta Code there is no related tasks implemented as well; see for example the Keyboard Input related tasks at: https://rosettacode.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Programming_Tasks=Four+is+magic#mw-pages I'd like something similar to 8th in this respect, see: https://8th-dev.com/manual.html#key-codes P.S.: Apologies to the moderator for sending a message from the wrong address earlier. Greetings, Cleverson ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
Examples https://github.com/George66/Factor/tree/main/OpenGL3.2%2B%20examples пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:26, George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com>: > Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. > > George > _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Does calendar.format vocabulary need the UI ?
This .factor-rc fixed it : USING: calendar kernel namespaces timers tools.scaffold ui ui.tools.browser ui.tools.listener ; "Georg Simon" developer-name set-global [ ui-running? [ "DejaVu Sans Mono" 18 set-listener-font ] when ] .1 seconds later drop [ ui-running? [ browser-window ] when ] 1 seconds later drop I do not know why but at least it is fixed. Thank you, Georg. Am Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:10:06 -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : > You might want to wrap those with ui-running? [ … ] when > > And see if that fixes it? > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:58 AM Georg Simon > wrote: > > > .factor-rc > > --- > > USING: > > calendar kernel namespaces timers tools.scaffold > > ui.tools.browser ui.tools.listener > > ; > > "Georg Simon" developer-name set-global > > > > [ "DejaVu Sans Mono" 18 set-listener-font ] .1 seconds later drop > > > > [ browser-window ] 1 seconds later drop > > --- > > and no .factor-boot-rc > > > > Thanks, > > Georg. > > > > Am Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:25:06 -0700 > > schrieb John Benediktsson : > > > > > I'm not aware of any dependency, and I can't reproduce it on > > > linux or macOS just now. > > > > > > I opened an issue on GitHub to investigate: > > > > > > https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2697 > > > > > > Do you have any UI code in your .factor-rc or .factor-boot-rc? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > John. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 5:15 AM Georg Simon > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 2022 > > > > 17:53:17) [GCC 11.2.0] on linux > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to narrow down my problem. > > > > > > > > For this I run two slightly different scripts > > > > which only load a vocabulary. > > > > > > > > For the second script Factor reports an error : > > > > > > > > > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > > > > IN: test_script > > > > USING: calendar ; > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > > > > > > > > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > > > > IN: test_script > > > > USING: calendar.format ; > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > > > > Error in thread 33 (Timer, [ ~timer~ timer-loop ]): > > > > > > > > UI not running > > > > > > > > (U) [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call => stop ] > > > > (O) timer-loop > > > > (O) run-timer > > > > (O) set-listener-font > > > > (O) graft > > > > (O) (queue-graft) > > > > (O) graft-queue > > > > (O) M\ object throw > > > > (U) [ > > > > OBJ-CURRENT-THREAD special-object error-thread > > > > set-global current-continuation => error-continuation set-global > > > > [ original-error set-global ] [ rethrow ] bi > > > > ] > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Factor-talk mailing list > > > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Does calendar.format vocabulary need the UI ?
You might want to wrap those with ui-running? [ … ] when And see if that fixes it? On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:58 AM Georg Simon wrote: > .factor-rc > --- > USING: > calendar kernel namespaces timers tools.scaffold > ui.tools.browser ui.tools.listener > ; > "Georg Simon" developer-name set-global > > [ "DejaVu Sans Mono" 18 set-listener-font ] .1 seconds later drop > > [ browser-window ] 1 seconds later drop > --- > and no .factor-boot-rc > > Thanks, > Georg. > > Am Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:25:06 -0700 > schrieb John Benediktsson : > > > I'm not aware of any dependency, and I can't reproduce it on linux or > > macOS just now. > > > > I opened an issue on GitHub to investigate: > > > > https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2697 > > > > Do you have any UI code in your .factor-rc or .factor-boot-rc? > > > > Thanks, > > John. > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 5:15 AM Georg Simon > > wrote: > > > > > Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 2022 > > > 17:53:17) [GCC 11.2.0] on linux > > > > > > > I tried to narrow down my problem. > > > > > > For this I run two slightly different scripts > > > which only load a vocabulary. > > > > > > For the second script Factor reports an error : > > > > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > > > IN: test_script > > > USING: calendar ; > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > > > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > > > IN: test_script > > > USING: calendar.format ; > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > > > Error in thread 33 (Timer, [ ~timer~ timer-loop ]): > > > > > > UI not running > > > > > > (U) [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call => stop ] > > > (O) timer-loop > > > (O) run-timer > > > (O) set-listener-font > > > (O) graft > > > (O) (queue-graft) > > > (O) graft-queue > > > (O) M\ object throw > > > (U) [ > > > OBJ-CURRENT-THREAD special-object error-thread set-global > > > current-continuation => error-continuation set-global > > > [ original-error set-global ] [ rethrow ] bi > > > ] > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Factor-talk mailing list > > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
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.factor-rc --- USING: calendar kernel namespaces timers tools.scaffold ui.tools.browser ui.tools.listener ; "Georg Simon" developer-name set-global [ "DejaVu Sans Mono" 18 set-listener-font ] .1 seconds later drop [ browser-window ] 1 seconds later drop --- and no .factor-boot-rc Thanks, Georg. Am Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:25:06 -0700 schrieb John Benediktsson : > I'm not aware of any dependency, and I can't reproduce it on linux or > macOS just now. > > I opened an issue on GitHub to investigate: > > https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2697 > > Do you have any UI code in your .factor-rc or .factor-boot-rc? > > Thanks, > John. > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 5:15 AM Georg Simon > wrote: > > > Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 2022 > > 17:53:17) [GCC 11.2.0] on linux > > > > I tried to narrow down my problem. > > > > For this I run two slightly different scripts > > which only load a vocabulary. > > > > For the second script Factor reports an error : > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > > IN: test_script > > USING: calendar ; > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > > IN: test_script > > USING: calendar.format ; > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > > Error in thread 33 (Timer, [ ~timer~ timer-loop ]): > > > > UI not running > > > > (U) [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call => stop ] > > (O) timer-loop > > (O) run-timer > > (O) set-listener-font > > (O) graft > > (O) (queue-graft) > > (O) graft-queue > > (O) M\ object throw > > (U) [ > > OBJ-CURRENT-THREAD special-object error-thread set-global > > current-continuation => error-continuation set-global > > [ original-error set-global ] [ rethrow ] bi > > ] > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > ------------ > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Does calendar.format vocabulary need the UI ?
I'm not aware of any dependency, and I can't reproduce it on linux or macOS just now. I opened an issue on GitHub to investigate: https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/2697 Do you have any UI code in your .factor-rc or .factor-boot-rc? Thanks, John. On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 5:15 AM Georg Simon wrote: > Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 2022 17:53:17) > [GCC 11.2.0] on linux > > I tried to narrow down my problem. > > For this I run two slightly different scripts > which only load a vocabulary. > > For the second script Factor reports an error : > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > IN: test_script > USING: calendar ; > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > > ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor > IN: test_script > USING: calendar.format ; > ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor > Error in thread 33 (Timer, [ ~timer~ timer-loop ]): > > UI not running > > (U) [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call => stop ] > (O) timer-loop > (O) run-timer > (O) set-listener-font > (O) graft > (O) (queue-graft) > (O) graft-queue > (O) M\ object throw > (U) [ > OBJ-CURRENT-THREAD special-object error-thread set-global > current-continuation => error-continuation set-global > [ original-error set-global ] [ rethrow ] bi > ] > ~/factor/work/test_script$ > -------- > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Does calendar.format vocabulary need the UI ?
Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2165, heads/master-b0f39e3617, Feb 16 2022 17:53:17) [GCC 11.2.0] on linux I tried to narrow down my problem. For this I run two slightly different scripts which only load a vocabulary. For the second script Factor reports an error : ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor IN: test_script USING: calendar ; ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor ~/factor/work/test_script$ ~/factor/work/test_script$ cat test_script.factor IN: test_script USING: calendar.format ; ~/factor/work/test_script$ factor-lang test_script.factor Error in thread 33 (Timer, [ ~timer~ timer-loop ]): UI not running (U) [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call => stop ] (O) timer-loop (O) run-timer (O) set-listener-font (O) graft (O) (queue-graft) (O) graft-queue (O) M\ object throw (U) [ OBJ-CURRENT-THREAD special-object error-thread set-global current-continuation => error-continuation set-global [ original-error set-global ] [ rethrow ] bi ] ~/factor/work/test_script$ ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] The Listener's interface and screen readers
Hi John, thanks for willing to help. Yes, you can expose relevant information to screen readers via APIs. Please see for details: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/blob/master/devDocs/technicalDesignOverview.md Best, Cleverson Em 18/08/2022 16:25, John Benediktsson escreveu: Hello! We do support a command line interface, you can run that from a command prompt, or power shell, by doing: factor -run=listener It is also possible the factor.com is command line and the factor.exe is the graphical listener. Unfortunately, for the user interface, we currently have it rendered using OpenGL and custom controls, and I’m unsure about screen readers — it might be equivalent to trying to use a screen reader with a game interface. If we can improve it for you, we would like to. I am not very familiar with how screen readers work, but would love to learn. Maybe there are APIs we can call that can provide descriptors of what our user interface controls can do. Thanks, John. On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Cleverson wrote: Hello all, Is anyone here aware of screen reading software, that is software which helps blind people to use the computer by speaking aloud information that is on the screen? You can see an example here: www.nvaccess.org I'd like to learn factor, so I of course need to use its listener feature in order to enter commands. However, the screen reader linked above, called NVDA, isn't able to interact well with the listener's user interface. Is ot OpenGL? Normally, screen readers like NVDA are able to interact well with console applications, such as the Windows command prompt (cmd) or PowerShell, which make use of standard controls (or widgets) for console applications in Windows. So, it appears that the UI you chose for the Listener are implementing some custom control that isn't being recognized by NVDA. My suggestion is that you could offer a way to choose an alternative interface, lets say a command line option, which would select the standard UI offered by the system for console applications. Thanks and best, Cleverson ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] The Listener's interface and screen readers
Hello! We do support a command line interface, you can run that from a command prompt, or power shell, by doing: factor -run=listener It is also possible the factor.com is command line and the factor.exe is the graphical listener. Unfortunately, for the user interface, we currently have it rendered using OpenGL and custom controls, and I’m unsure about screen readers — it might be equivalent to trying to use a screen reader with a game interface. If we can improve it for you, we would like to. I am not very familiar with how screen readers work, but would love to learn. Maybe there are APIs we can call that can provide descriptors of what our user interface controls can do. Thanks, John. > On Aug 18, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Cleverson wrote: > Hello all, > > Is anyone here aware of screen reading software, that is software which helps > blind people to use the computer by speaking aloud information that is on the > screen? You can see an example here: > www.nvaccess.org > > I'd like to learn factor, so I of course need to use its listener feature in > order to enter commands. However, the screen reader linked above, called > NVDA, isn't able to interact well with the listener's user interface. Is ot > OpenGL? > > Normally, screen readers like NVDA are able to interact well with console > applications, such as the Windows command prompt (cmd) or PowerShell, which > make use of standard controls (or widgets) for console applications in > Windows. So, it appears that the UI you chose for the Listener are > implementing some custom control that isn't being recognized by NVDA. > > My suggestion is that you could offer a way to choose an alternative > interface, lets say a command line option, which would select the standard UI > offered by the system for console applications. > > Thanks and best, > Cleverson > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] The Listener's interface and screen readers
Hello all, Is anyone here aware of screen reading software, that is software which helps blind people to use the computer by speaking aloud information that is on the screen? You can see an example here: www.nvaccess.org I'd like to learn factor, so I of course need to use its listener feature in order to enter commands. However, the screen reader linked above, called NVDA, isn't able to interact well with the listener's user interface. Is ot OpenGL? Normally, screen readers like NVDA are able to interact well with console applications, such as the Windows command prompt (cmd) or PowerShell, which make use of standard controls (or widgets) for console applications in Windows. So, it appears that the UI you chose for the Listener are implementing some custom control that isn't being recognized by NVDA. My suggestion is that you could offer a way to choose an alternative interface, lets say a command line option, which would select the standard UI offered by the system for console applications. Thanks and best, Cleverson ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] gml graphics vocabs unit tests fail
There's an issue with the tests not using what they need -- this works: "gml" load "gml" test On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:21 AM CW Alston wrote: > Hi - > Experimenting with Slava's ``gml'' (Generative Modeling Language) > 3D graphics vocabs in ``resource:extra'', I ran into a glitch involving > unit tests. > Some vocabs in the gml directory don't get loaded via > ``load-child-vocabs'': > gml.coremath, gml.geometry, & gml.modeling -- thus unit-tests fail. > I'm running > Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2166, heads/master-96743eeca4, May 28 2022 23:43:06) > [Clang (GCC Apple LLVM 13.1.6 (clang-1316.0.21.2.5))] on macosx > > IN: scratchpad USE: gml "gml" test ! tests fail > > -Crafted a workaround using ``find-vocab-root'' to > fix gml vocabs loading issue: > > IN: scratchpad auto-use > "gml" [ find-vocab-root ] keep ! ( -- "resource:extra" "gml" ) > append-path! ( -- path ) get gml vocab parent directory > directory-entries [ directory? ] filter > [ name>> "gml." prepend ] map > [ file-extension "examples" = ] reject ! skip gml code examples directory > [ require ] each ! load all relevant vocabs > "gml" test ! now all tests succeed > > -Is there a better, more direct solution? > Thanks for any advice, > ~ CW Alston > -- > *~ Memento Amori* > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] gml graphics vocabs unit tests fail
Hi - Experimenting with Slava's ``gml'' (Generative Modeling Language) 3D graphics vocabs in ``resource:extra'', I ran into a glitch involving unit tests. Some vocabs in the gml directory don't get loaded via ``load-child-vocabs'': gml.coremath, gml.geometry, & gml.modeling -- thus unit-tests fail. I'm running Factor 0.99 x86.64 (2166, heads/master-96743eeca4, May 28 2022 23:43:06) [Clang (GCC Apple LLVM 13.1.6 (clang-1316.0.21.2.5))] on macosx IN: scratchpad USE: gml "gml" test ! tests fail -Crafted a workaround using ``find-vocab-root'' to fix gml vocabs loading issue: IN: scratchpad auto-use "gml" [ find-vocab-root ] keep ! ( -- "resource:extra" "gml" ) append-path! ( -- path ) get gml vocab parent directory directory-entries [ directory? ] filter [ name>> "gml." prepend ] map [ file-extension "examples" = ] reject ! skip gml code examples directory [ require ] each ! load all relevant vocabs "gml" test ! now all tests succeed -Is there a better, more direct solution? Thanks for any advice, ~ CW Alston -- *~ Memento Amori* ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Port on Z80 computers.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:30 PM yves gerey wrote: > > I'd like to port a lightweight language to a Z80-based computer older than > you (the Amstrad CPC 6128), and to CP/M as well if there is interest. A while back I played with using Factor to create and upload Z80 code to an MP3 player. I wrote about it here: https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2006/09/16/writing-your-own-mp3-player-firmware.html https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2006/09/17/factor-code-to-upload-to-s1-mp3-player.html While I don't think a port of Factor to Z80 would be a realistic task at this stage, it'd make a great environment or remote development of Z80 code and uploading to devices. -- https://bluishcoder.co.nz _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Port on Z80 computers.
Hi Yves, Unfortunately, I think that factor is not the language you are looking for. Although it has the same concatenative style as forth, it's not at all a lightweight language like forth. The runtime requires an OS for many things. It's a general purpose high level language with garbage collection, cooperative threading, many functional programming operations, runtime JIT code generation, etc. I'd be very surprised if you could run it on anything with less than 64Mb of ram (I personally ran it on a robotino which had linux and 256Mb of ram, and there it ran great). So targeting a 4MHz cpu with 128 kb of ram is out of reach I'm afraid. Cheers, Jon On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 9:30 AM yves gerey wrote: > > Bonjour, noob here, but [Z80 connaisseur](http://orgams.wikidot.com/)! > > I'd like to port a lightweight language to a Z80-based computer older than > you (the Amstrad CPC 6128), and to CP/M as well if there is interest. > * Sub-goal: porting a vm. > * Main-goal: having the whole toolchain on the native machine (no > cross-compilation) > More context > [here](https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=12155=1#c571455). > > Factor is a pretty interesting candidate. My main concern is that it wouldn't > be high-level enough! If I had to juggle with the stack, I might do it in > assembler directly. > > My first questions are: > - Is there already related work? (my google-fu wasn't strong enough) > - Is anyone interested to work on that with me? (I'm an outgoing introvert, > according to my dog). Following Erdòs, I believe that programming is the > perfect social activity for asocials (ok, just kidding, I don't mean to > reinforce stereotypes). > > Cheers! > > -- > -- > λves > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Port on Z80 computers.
Bonjour, noob here, but [Z80 connaisseur](http://orgams.wikidot.com/)! I'd like to port a lightweight language to a Z80-based computer older than you (the Amstrad CPC 6128), and to CP/M as well if there is interest. * Sub-goal: porting a vm. * Main-goal: having the whole toolchain on the native machine (no cross-compilation) More context [here]( https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=12155=1#c571455). Factor is a pretty interesting candidate. My main concern is that it wouldn't be high-level enough! If I had to juggle with the stack, I might do it in assembler directly. My first questions are: - Is there already related work? (my google-fu wasn't strong enough) - Is anyone interested to work on that with me? (I'm an outgoing introvert, according to my dog). Following Erdòs, I believe that programming is the perfect social activity for asocials (ok, just kidding, I don't mean to reinforce stereotypes). Cheers! -- -- λves ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Compiler
OK, thanks. — don > On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:53, John Benediktsson wrote: > > Probably 2022. > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:33 PM dgpdx <mailto:dgroves...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I’d love to use factor. Any idea when the port to arm64 will be completed? > — > don > > >> On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:29, John Benediktsson > <mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Contributions are welcome! >> >> (Also questions, if you have any.) >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko >> mailto:george.chereviche...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem >> (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, but >> Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) >> >> вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson > <mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>>: >> You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: >> >> https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 >> >> <https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko >> mailto:george.chereviche...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> Hi >> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >> kernel.factor >> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >> "because the compiler special-cases them". >> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Compiler
Probably 2022. On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:33 PM dgpdx wrote: > I’d love to use factor. Any idea when the port to arm64 will be completed? > — > don > > > On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:29, John Benediktsson wrote: > > Contributions are welcome! > > (Also questions, if you have any.) > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko < > george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem >> (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, >> but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) >> >> вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson : >> >>> You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < >>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >>>> kernel.factor >>>> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >>>> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >>>> "because the compiler special-cases them". >>>> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> _______ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Compiler
I’d love to use factor. Any idea when the port to arm64 will be completed? — don > On Aug 24, 2021, at 14:29, John Benediktsson wrote: > > Contributions are welcome! > > (Also questions, if you have any.) > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko > mailto:george.chereviche...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem (stack-effect > checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, but Pestov set > types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) > > вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson <mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>>: > You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: > > https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 > > <https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289> > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko > mailto:george.chereviche...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > Hi > Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in > kernel.factor > Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as > : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; > "because the compiler special-cases them". > What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Compiler
Contributions are welcome! (Also questions, if you have any.) On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem > (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, > but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) > > вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson : > >> You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: >> >> >> https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < >> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >>> kernel.factor >>> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >>> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >>> "because the compiler special-cases them". >>> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >>> _______ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Compiler
Thank you. I think, I understand stack-checker now. The problem (stack-effect checking) is very close to "typization" in lambda-calculi, but Pestov set types to "loop" and "while". I'll think about it:) вт, 24 авг. 2021 г. в 21:59, John Benediktsson : > You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: > > > https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < > george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in >> kernel.factor >> Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as >> : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; >> "because the compiler special-cases them". >> What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Compiler
You can see some curry declared and then defined as part of bootstrap in: https://github.com/factor/factor/blob/master/core/bootstrap/primitives.factor#L289 On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 3:01 PM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in > kernel.factor > Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as > : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; > "because the compiler special-cases them". > What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] The original mailing list
That’s too bad, it was a nice group. — don > On Aug 20, 2021, at 15:36, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > > Unless the maintainers of the Yahoo list took active steps to migrate > it, it died when Yahoo killed Yahoo Groups. > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM dgpdx wrote: >> >> This is the factor-talk mail list, I’m asking about the original >> concatenative mail list that was hosted by Yahoo. >> It seems to have disappeared. >> — >> don >> >> >>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:37, Benjamin Pollack wrote: >>> ng >>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: >>>> Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? >>> >>> Unless I'm rather fundamentally miisunderstanding your question: you're on >>> it. >>> >>> >>> _______ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > -- > Borasky Research Journal https://www.znmeb.mobi > > Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] The original mailing list
Unless the maintainers of the Yahoo list took active steps to migrate it, it died when Yahoo killed Yahoo Groups. On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM dgpdx wrote: > > This is the factor-talk mail list, I’m asking about the original > concatenative mail list that was hosted by Yahoo. > It seems to have disappeared. > — > don > > > > On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:37, Benjamin Pollack wrote: > > ng > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: > >> Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? > > > > Unless I'm rather fundamentally miisunderstanding your question: you're on > > it. > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Borasky Research Journal https://www.znmeb.mobi Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] The original mailing list
This is the factor-talk mail list, I’m asking about the original concatenative mail list that was hosted by Yahoo. It seems to have disappeared. — don > On Aug 20, 2021, at 12:37, Benjamin Pollack wrote: > ng > On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: >> Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? > > Unless I'm rather fundamentally miisunderstanding your question: you're on it. > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] A new concatenative language (CL)
On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:04, dgpdx wrote: > I’m aware of that. I would be implementing in C but the gcc port to arm64 > also isn’t finished. I feel like there might be a misunderstanding here. The Factor compiler is itself written in Factor. The VM is in C++, true, but that's honestly the easiest part of moving to a new architecture. If you're interested in joining the arm64 effort, you might find you can be quite comfy contributing meaningfully while staying entirely in Factor. ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] The original mailing list
On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, at 14:25, dgpdx wrote: > Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? Unless I'm rather fundamentally misunderstanding your question: you're on it. ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] The original mailing list
Does the original concatenative mail list still exist. If so, where is it? — don ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] A new concatenative language (CL)
I’m aware of that. I would be implementing in C but the gcc port to arm64 also isn’t finished. — don > On Aug 20, 2021, at 11:01, John Benediktsson wrote: > > Factor works fine using Rosetta. > > The arm64 port of Factor hasn’t been finished yet. > > >> On Aug 20, 2021, at 11:00 AM, dgpdx wrote: >> >> Hi, all — >> >> I cannot use factor as it is only for Intel architecture and I use arm64 on >> a MacBook Pro. >> >> So, I’m implementing a CL in Julia, called jacl. It’s at the basics level >> with lots of work yet >> to do and I’m wondering if any interested parties would like to contribute. >> If so, send me an >> email and I’ll send you the source code and documentation. jacl Is open >> source. >> — >> don >> >> PS - Is the concatenative mail list still active? I looked but couldn’t find >> itce >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] A new concatenative language (CL)
Factor works fine using Rosetta. The arm64 port of Factor hasn’t been finished yet. > On Aug 20, 2021, at 11:00 AM, dgpdx wrote: > > Hi, all — > > I cannot use factor as it is only for Intel architecture and I use arm64 on a > MacBook Pro. > > So, I’m implementing a CL in Julia, called jacl. It’s at the basics level > with lots of work yet > to do and I’m wondering if any interested parties would like to contribute. > If so, send me an > email and I’ll send you the source code and documentation. jacl Is open > source. > — > don > > PS - Is the concatenative mail list still active? I looked but couldn’t find > itce > > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] A new concatenative language (CL)
Hi, all — I cannot use factor as it is only for Intel architecture and I use arm64 on a MacBook Pro. So, I’m implementing a CL in Julia, called jacl. It’s at the basics level with lots of work yet to do and I’m wondering if any interested parties would like to contribute. If so, send me an email and I’ll send you the source code and documentation. jacl Is open source. — don PS - Is the concatenative mail list still active? I looked but couldn’t find itce ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Compiler
Hi Where are definitions of "curry" and "compose"? I can't find them in kernel.factor Is it a trick of compiler? For example, "dip" is defined as : dip ( x quot -- x ) swap [ call ] dip ; "because the compiler special-cases them". What is "namespaces:set" in compiler.factor? _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Strange using of variables
Sometimes it's nice to not have to define a separate state variable, counter is the most often case that I've seen but there are others. On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 6:02 AM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > The vocab stack-checker/values line 7 > > : ( -- value ) \ counter ; > > Why do Pestov use \ (the name of a function) as a variable? > > The vocab stack-checker/recursive-state line 7 > > TUPLE: recursive-state quotations inline-words ; > : ( -- state ) recursive-state new ; inline > recursive-state set-global > > Why do Pestov use "recursive-state" (the name of a tuple) as a variable? > > George > > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Strange using of variables
The vocab stack-checker/values line 7 : ( -- value ) \ counter ; Why do Pestov use \ (the name of a function) as a variable? The vocab stack-checker/recursive-state line 7 TUPLE: recursive-state quotations inline-words ; : ( -- state ) recursive-state new ; inline recursive-state set-global Why do Pestov use "recursive-state" (the name of a tuple) as a variable? George _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL 3.3 + Factor, the result
Else we have an error "unknown-image-extension" https://www.mail-archive.com/factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08655.html вт, 22 июн. 2021 г. в 22:45, John Benediktsson : > Why do you have to use platform specific image loader? > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 PM George Cherevichenko < > george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> https://pastebin.com/faGJUH6v >> https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13J21P >> Put it to a new vocab "sphere" and run. If you will use deploy-tool, >> change the line163 (write "1.jpg" instead of "vocab:sphere/1.jpg") and add >> one of the lines >> USE: images.loader.gdiplus (for Windows) >> USE: images.loader.gtk(for Linux) >> USE: images.loader.cocoa(for MacOS) >> And put 1.jpg to the folder with the result! >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL 3.3 + Factor, the result
Why do you have to use platform specific image loader? On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:44 PM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > https://pastebin.com/faGJUH6v > https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13J21P > Put it to a new vocab "sphere" and run. If you will use deploy-tool, > change the line163 (write "1.jpg" instead of "vocab:sphere/1.jpg") and add > one of the lines > USE: images.loader.gdiplus (for Windows) > USE: images.loader.gtk(for Linux) > USE: images.loader.cocoa(for MacOS) > And put 1.jpg to the folder with the result! > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] OpenGL 3.3 + Factor, the result
https://pastebin.com/faGJUH6v https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13J21P Put it to a new vocab "sphere" and run. If you will use deploy-tool, change the line163 (write "1.jpg" instead of "vocab:sphere/1.jpg") and add one of the lines USE: images.loader.gdiplus (for Windows) USE: images.loader.gtk(for Linux) USE: images.loader.cocoa(for MacOS) And put 1.jpg to the folder with the result! _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Am I in the listener?
You can tell if you are running with the ui versus the command-line with "ui-running?". If you want to see if the listener is open, you can find it's window: [ listener-gadget? ] find-window And if you want to get a listener, opening one if it is not open, just call: get-listener On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 8:33 AM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > How can my program know is it running in the listener or as .exe? > > George > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Am I in the listener?
Is it cheating to just use the "environment" vocabulary and pass in an indicator that way? I'm new with Factor so don't know of any fancier ways to reflect on the source/type of the running code. --Abraham On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:32 AM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > How can my program know is it running in the listener or as .exe? > > George > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > -- http://boxturtlebakery.com (919)357-6034 abra...@boxturtlebakery.com ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Am I in the listener?
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Re: [Factor-talk] Loading images
https://pastebin.com/VzSZAxVy Simplest possible loading get "bad-stack-effect word load got ( -- ) expected ( -- x ) " https://pastebin.com/ggtF5DZu Slightly more complex loading after deploy-tool get "unknown-image-extension" https://www.imagevenue.com/ME13HP4U Win10 x64 George пт, 11 июн. 2021 г. в 20:20, George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com>: > Hi > "C:\\1.jpg" load-image > perfectly works in the listener, but throws "unknown-image-extension" in > the executable file (obtained with the help of deploy-tool). Why? > > George > _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Loading images
Hi "C:\\1.jpg" load-image perfectly works in the listener, but throws "unknown-image-extension" in the executable file (obtained with the help of deploy-tool). Why? George ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
A simple example with matrices
https://pastebin.com/5S5Lf17E
George
ср, 2 июн. 2021 г. в 03:53, George Cherevichenko <
george.chereviche...@gmail.com>:
> A problem. In OpenGL3.0+ we have to sent a matrix to a shader
> float matrix[ ] = {any-16-elements-array};
> glUniformMatrix4fv(... , matrix);
> I try to do the same in Factor
> {any-16-elements-array} alien.c-types:float >c-array glUniformMatrix4fv
> and get an OpenGL error. Then I try
> {any-16-elements-array} alien.c-types:float >c-array >c-ptr
> glUniformMatrix4fv
> and get an OpenGL error too.
>
> George
>
>
> вт, 1 июн. 2021 г. в 23:21, George Cherevichenko <
> george.chereviche...@gmail.com>:
>
>> How to turn a Factor's 4X4 matrix to C array (I need a pointer float*) in
>> column-major order?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row-_and_column-major_order
>> Thank you.
>>
>> George
>>
>> сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 21:37, George Cherevichenko <
>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Simple examples without matrices.
>>> Triangle with glDrawArrays
>>> https://pastebin.com/QNgGuM2B
>>> Rectangle with glDrawElements
>>> https://pastebin.com/cxDvwyqj
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 02:56, :
>>>
>>>> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum
>>>> class. Dispatching on object: 1"
>>>> What does it mean?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It means you called `1 obj >>my-tuple-field` instead of `obj 1
>>>> >>my-tuple-field`.
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>>> On Saturday, May 29th, 2021 at 1:47 AM, George Cherevichenko -
>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum
>>>> class. Dispatching on object: 1"
>>>> What does it mean?
>>>> Now I can draw with glDrawArrays.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 17:16, Ken Causey :
>>>>
>>>>> First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more
>>>>> of an interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at
>>>>> least in the form of example code:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl
>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny
>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda
>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu
>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes
>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko <
>>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices,
>>>>>> GL_STATIC_DRAW);
>>>>>> glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat),
>>>>>> (GLvoid*)0);
>>>>>> glEnableVertexAttribArray(0);
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's
>>>>>> opengl vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just C ffi calls right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko <
>>>>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png
>&
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
A problem. In OpenGL3.0+ we have to sent a matrix to a shader
float matrix[ ] = {any-16-elements-array};
glUniformMatrix4fv(... , matrix);
I try to do the same in Factor
{any-16-elements-array} alien.c-types:float >c-array glUniformMatrix4fv
and get an OpenGL error. Then I try
{any-16-elements-array} alien.c-types:float >c-array >c-ptr
glUniformMatrix4fv
and get an OpenGL error too.
George
вт, 1 июн. 2021 г. в 23:21, George Cherevichenko <
george.chereviche...@gmail.com>:
> How to turn a Factor's 4X4 matrix to C array (I need a pointer float*) in
> column-major order?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row-_and_column-major_order
> Thank you.
>
> George
>
> сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 21:37, George Cherevichenko <
> george.chereviche...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Simple examples without matrices.
>> Triangle with glDrawArrays
>> https://pastebin.com/QNgGuM2B
>> Rectangle with glDrawElements
>> https://pastebin.com/cxDvwyqj
>>
>> George
>>
>> сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 02:56, :
>>
>>> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum
>>> class. Dispatching on object: 1"
>>> What does it mean?
>>>
>>>
>>> It means you called `1 obj >>my-tuple-field` instead of `obj 1
>>> >>my-tuple-field`.
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>> On Saturday, May 29th, 2021 at 1:47 AM, George Cherevichenko -
>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum
>>> class. Dispatching on object: 1"
>>> What does it mean?
>>> Now I can draw with glDrawArrays.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 17:16, Ken Causey :
>>>
>>>> First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more of
>>>> an interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor.
>>>>
>>>> However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at
>>>> least in the form of example code:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl
>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny
>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda
>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu
>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes
>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko <
>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor
>>>>>
>>>>> glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW);
>>>>> glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat),
>>>>> (GLvoid*)0);
>>>>> glEnableVertexAttribArray(0);
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's
>>>>> opengl vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands?
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman :
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's just C ffi calls right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko <
>>>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko <
>>>>>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough.
>>>
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
How to turn a Factor's 4X4 matrix to C array (I need a pointer float*) in column-major order? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row-_and_column-major_order Thank you. George сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 21:37, George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com>: > Simple examples without matrices. > Triangle with glDrawArrays > https://pastebin.com/QNgGuM2B > Rectangle with glDrawElements > https://pastebin.com/cxDvwyqj > > George > > сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 02:56, : > >> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum >> class. Dispatching on object: 1" >> What does it mean? >> >> >> It means you called `1 obj >>my-tuple-field` instead of `obj 1 >> >>my-tuple-field`. >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Saturday, May 29th, 2021 at 1:47 AM, George Cherevichenko - >> george.chereviche...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum >> class. Dispatching on object: 1" >> What does it mean? >> Now I can draw with glDrawArrays. >> >> George >> >> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 17:16, Ken Causey : >> >>> First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more of >>> an interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor. >>> >>> However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at >>> least in the form of example code: >>> >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer >>> >>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko < >>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor >>>> >>>> glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); >>>> glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat), >>>> (GLvoid*)0); >>>> glEnableVertexAttribArray(0); >>>> >>>> I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's >>>> opengl vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands? >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman : >>>> >>>>> It's just C ffi calls right? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko < >>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ >>>>>> >>>>>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle >>>>>> >>>>>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png >>>>>> >>>>>> George >>>>>> >>>>>> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : >>>>>> >>>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < >>>>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> George >>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______ >>>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
Simple examples without matrices. Triangle with glDrawArrays https://pastebin.com/QNgGuM2B Rectangle with glDrawElements https://pastebin.com/cxDvwyqj George сб, 29 мая 2021 г. в 02:56, : > "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum > class. Dispatching on object: 1" > What does it mean? > > > It means you called `1 obj >>my-tuple-field` instead of `obj 1 > >>my-tuple-field`. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Saturday, May 29th, 2021 at 1:47 AM, George Cherevichenko - > george.chereviche...@gmail.com > wrote: > > "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum > class. Dispatching on object: 1" > What does it mean? > Now I can draw with glDrawArrays. > > George > > сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 17:16, Ken Causey : > >> First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more of >> an interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor. >> >> However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at >> least in the form of example code: >> >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer >> >> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko < >> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor >>> >>> glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); >>> glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat), >>> (GLvoid*)0); >>> glEnableVertexAttribArray(0); >>> >>> I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's >>> opengl vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands? >>> >>> George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman : >>> >>>> It's just C ffi calls right? >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko < >>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ >>>>> >>>>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle >>>>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : >>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < >>>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______ >>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>> >>>>> _______ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
> "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum class. > Dispatching on object: 1" > What does it mean? It means you called `1 obj >>my-tuple-field` instead of `obj 1 >>my-tuple-field`. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, May 29th, 2021 at 1:47 AM, George Cherevichenko - george.chereviche...@gmail.com wrote: > "Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum class. > Dispatching on object: 1" > What does it mean? > Now I can draw with glDrawArrays. > > George > > сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 17:16, Ken Causey : > >> First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more of an >> interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor. >> >> However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at least >> in the form of example code: >> >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer >> >> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko >> wrote: >> >>> There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor >>> >>> glBufferData( >>> >>> GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, >>> >>> sizeof >>> >>> (vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); >>> >>> glVertexAttribPointer( >>> >>> 0 >>> >>> , >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> , >>> >>> GL_FLOAT >>> >>> , >>> >>> GL_FALSE >>> >>> , >>> >>> 3 >>> >>> * >>> >>> sizeof >>> >>> ( >>> >>> GLfloat >>> >>> ), (GLvoid*) >>> >>> 0 >>> >>> ); >>> >>> glEnableV >>> >>> ertexAttribArray( >>> >>> 0 >>> >>> ); >>> >>> I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's >>> opengl vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands? >>> >>> George >>> >>> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman : >>> >>>> It's just C ffi calls right? >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ >>>>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle >>>>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : >>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> George >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
"Generic word my-tuple-field<< does not define a method for the fixnum class. Dispatching on object: 1" What does it mean? Now I can draw with glDrawArrays. George сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 17:16, Ken Causey : > First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more of an > interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor. > > However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at least > in the form of example code: > > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko < > george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor >> >> glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); >> glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat), >> (GLvoid*)0); >> glEnableVertexAttribArray(0); >> >> I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's opengl >> vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands? >> >> George >> >> >> >> >> >> >> сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman : >> >>> It's just C ffi calls right? >>> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko < >>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ >>>> >>>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle >>>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : >>>> >>>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < >>>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> George >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>>> >>>>> _______ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
First I should be clear that I claim no special knowledge. I'm more of an interested observer and occasional dabbler with Factor. However, a quick grep turned up these areas that may help further at least in the form of example code: https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/basis/opengl https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/bunny https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/cuda https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/gpu https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/grid-meshes https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/model-viewer On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:01 AM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor > > glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); > glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat), > (GLvoid*)0); > glEnableVertexAttribArray(0); > > I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's opengl > vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands? > > George > > > > > > > сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman : > >> It's just C ffi calls right? >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko < >> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ >>> >>> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle >>> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png >>> >>> George >>> >>> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : >>> >>>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < >>>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> _______ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
There are three lines of the code which I cannot write in Factor glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW); glVertexAttribPointer(0, 3, GL_FLOAT, GL_FALSE, 3 * sizeof(GLfloat), (GLvoid*)0); glEnableVertexAttribArray(0); I wanted to use "with-gl-buffer" or "with-vertex-array" from Factor's opengl vocabulary. Are there examples of using these commands? George сб, 22 мая 2021 г. в 00:46, Doug Coleman : > It's just C ffi calls right? > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko < > george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ >> https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle >> https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png >> >> George >> >> пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : >> >>> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >>> >>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < >>> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>>> >>>> George >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> >>> _______ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
It's just C ffi calls right? On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 4:38 PM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ > https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle > https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png > > George > > пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : > >> https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < >> george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >>> >>> George >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
It is VERY outdated. I need OpenGL3.0+ https://learnopengl.com/code_viewer.php?code=getting-started/hellotriangle https://hsto.org/files/709/5ad/69c/7095ad69c2a5431083ec84dc25b35cdb.png George пт, 21 мая 2021 г. в 23:42, Ken Causey : > https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe > > On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < > george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. >> >> George >> ___________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
https://github.com/factor/factor/tree/master/extra/nehe On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:27 PM George Cherevichenko < george.chereviche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is there an example? A rotating triangle would be enough. > > George > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] OpenGL3.0+
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Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
Co-sign that thanks for posting the video! Great to see interest in Factor spreading, & I’ll learn a lot from their work. Cheers! ~ cw On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 10:04 PM Sankaranarayanan Viswanathan < rationalrev...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for the video! I enjoyed watching it, and they've done a great > job going over their work on compression and http2 support. > > - Sankar > > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 4:47 PM John Benediktsson > wrote: > >> For anyone that missed the session, or is interested in looking at the 20 >> minute video portion of their presentation, you can look here: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGWMNK5C5go >> >> Best, >> John. >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:04 AM John Benediktsson >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on >>> some improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a >>> Factor native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. >>> >>> They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am >>> PST online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest >>> would come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future >>> steps. >>> >>> Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this >>> session. >>> >>> Best, >>> John. >>> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > -- *~ Memento Amori* ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
Thank you for the video! I enjoyed watching it, and they've done a great job going over their work on compression and http2 support. - Sankar On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 4:47 PM John Benediktsson wrote: > For anyone that missed the session, or is interested in looking at the 20 > minute video portion of their presentation, you can look here: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGWMNK5C5go > > Best, > John. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:04 AM John Benediktsson > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on >> some improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a >> Factor native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. >> >> They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am PST >> online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest would >> come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future steps. >> >> Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this >> session. >> >> Best, >> John. >> > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
For anyone that missed the session, or is interested in looking at the 20 minute video portion of their presentation, you can look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGWMNK5C5go Best, John. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:04 AM John Benediktsson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on > some improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a > Factor native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. > > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am PST > online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest would > come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future steps. > > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this > session. > > Best, > John. > ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
Hi John, I'm interested in learning about the Harvey Mudd projects. Thanks, CW (Charles Alston) On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 2:57 AM Sankaranarayanan Viswanathan < rationalrev...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > I'm interested in participating as well. > > Thanks! > Sankar > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jon Harper wrote: > >> sure ! How long have they been working on it ? How much time do they have >> left ? >> Jon >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:51 AM cat via Factor-talk >> wrote: >> > >> > I'm interested! >> > >> > >> > >> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:04 PM, John Benediktsson < >> mrj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on >> some improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a >> Factor native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. >> > >> > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am >> PST online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest >> would come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future >> steps. >> > >> > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this >> session. >> > >> > Best, >> > John. >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Factor-talk mailing list >> > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > -- *~ Memento Amori* ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
Hello John, I'm interested in participating as well. Thanks! Sankar On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:57 PM Jon Harper wrote: > sure ! How long have they been working on it ? How much time do they have > left ? > Jon > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:51 AM cat via Factor-talk > wrote: > > > > I'm interested! > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:04 PM, John Benediktsson > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on > some improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a > Factor native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. > > > > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am > PST online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest > would come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future > steps. > > > > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this > session. > > > > Best, > > John. > > > > > > ___ > > Factor-talk mailing list > > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
sure ! How long have they been working on it ? How much time do they have left ? Jon On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:51 AM cat via Factor-talk wrote: > > I'm interested! > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:04 PM, John Benediktsson > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on some > improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a Factor > native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. > > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am PST > online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest would > come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future steps. > > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this session. > > Best, > John. > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
I'm interested! ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:04 PM, John Benediktsson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on some > improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a Factor > native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. > > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am PST > online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest would > come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future steps. > > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this session. > > Best, > John.___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
I am interested! On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:05 PM John Benediktsson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on > some improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a > Factor native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. > > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am PST > online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest would > come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future steps. > > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this > session. > > Best, > John. > ___________ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] May 5th
Interested — Dave Carlton da...@polymicro.net > On Apr 20, 2021, at 11:04, John Benediktsson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > We have a team of college students from Harvey Mudd College working on some > improvements to the Factor web frameworks, specifically implementing a Factor > native GZIP vocabulary and a HTTP/2 web server. > > They are going to discuss and present their results on May 5th at 9am PST > online via a Zoom session. It would be nice if anyone with interest would > come and listen and perhaps ask them about their work and future steps. > > Please write me back directly if you would like an invitation to this session. > > Best, > John. > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] May 5th
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Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020, at 15:44, John Benediktsson wrote: > We need to figure that out. > > bi/bi*/bi@ > tri/tri*/tri@ > cleave/spread/apply > > It might make more sense to have a numerical syntax instead of words or > better yet would be to only have cleave/spread/apply and have shorter > symbolic syntax for it. > > Plenty of places where [ foo ] keep bar seems to look cleaner than [ foo ] [ > bar ] bi and I’d rather we had more consistency and fewer tokens possibly. I'm speaking purely for myself, but even to the extent I might agree in the narrow case of [ foo ] [ bar ] bi versus [ foo ] keep bar, the relationship between bi/bi*/bi@ and tri/tri*/tri@ I think is important, and can cause me to lean for bi in many cases even where a keep sequence might arguably be clearer. That said, if cleave/spread/apply didn't feel so "heavy", I'd definitely be fine ditching the bi/tri families in favor of the generics. Your point on syntax might work. It also might honestly not feel heavy in practice, even today; it'd be interesting to try going a couple weeks using *only* cleave/spread/apply directly and see if it actually makes my code worse.___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] How to validate different formats in an array?
You can see some solutions for AoC problems on the factor pastebin:
https://paste.factorcode.org/
For day4, there are 2 examples, using 1&& (
https://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-1&&,combinators.short-circuit.html)
or EBNF semantic actions (
https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-peg.ebnf.semantic-action.html
).
Please add your own :)
Jon
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:18 AM Woosuk Kwak wrote:
>
> Thanks, call(...) is exactly what I needed. And yes, that's the intended
> stack effect, and 2all? works for my purpose.
>
> It would be helpful if the help page for 'call' mentions 'call(' as an
> alternative where it doesn't work.
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 12:05 PM John Benediktsson wrote:
>>
>> You should be able to call dynamic quots by specifying their stack effect in
>> the call, assuming your quotations take one input and produce a Boolean
>>
>> [ call( elt — ? ) ] 2map
>>
>> Or even use 2all? If you want to know if an input array passes all the tests.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 6, 2020, at 6:11 PM, bubbler9...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I'm currently solving problems on Advent of Code 2020
>> > (adventofcode.com/2020) and Rosalind (rosalind.info) in Factor.
>> > I encountered an interesting problem in AoC2020 Day4 Part2: the main part
>> > of the problem is, given an array of 7 strings, validate them for seven
>> > different conditions, i.e. test item 0 for condition 0, item 1 for
>> > condition 1, etc.
>> > I initially thought pushing an array of 7 functions and doing "[ call ]
>> > 2map" should work, but it didn't. I "solved" the problem by extracting the
>> > 7 strings on the stack (using "7 firstn"), using spread, and collecting
>> > them back (using "7 narray"). Is there a better way to achieve this?
>> >
>> > The full code can be found here:
>> > github.com/Bubbler-4/factor-problem-solving/blob/main/aoc2020/day4/day4.factor
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Re: [Factor-talk] How to validate different formats in an array?
Thanks, call(...) is exactly what I needed. And yes, that's the intended
stack effect, and 2all? works for my purpose.
It would be helpful if the help page for 'call' mentions 'call(' as an
alternative where it doesn't work.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 12:05 PM John Benediktsson wrote:
> You should be able to call dynamic quots by specifying their stack effect
> in the call, assuming your quotations take one input and produce a Boolean
>
> [ call( elt — ? ) ] 2map
>
> Or even use 2all? If you want to know if an input array passes all the
> tests.
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 2020, at 6:11 PM, bubbler9...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currently solving problems on Advent of Code 2020 (
> adventofcode.com/2020) and Rosalind (rosalind.info) in Factor.
> > I encountered an interesting problem in AoC2020 Day4 Part2: the main
> part of the problem is, given an array of 7 strings, validate them for
> seven different conditions, i.e. test item 0 for condition 0, item 1 for
> condition 1, etc.
> > I initially thought pushing an array of 7 functions and doing "[ call ]
> 2map" should work, but it didn't. I "solved" the problem by extracting the
> 7 strings on the stack (using "7 firstn"), using spread, and collecting
> them back (using "7 narray"). Is there a better way to achieve this?
> >
> > The full code can be found here:
> github.com/Bubbler-4/factor-problem-solving/blob/main/aoc2020/day4/day4.factor
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Re: [Factor-talk] How to validate different formats in an array?
You should be able to call dynamic quots by specifying their stack effect in the call, assuming your quotations take one input and produce a Boolean [ call( elt — ? ) ] 2map Or even use 2all? If you want to know if an input array passes all the tests. > On Dec 6, 2020, at 6:11 PM, bubbler9...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm currently solving problems on Advent of Code 2020 (adventofcode.com/2020) > and Rosalind (rosalind.info) in Factor. > I encountered an interesting problem in AoC2020 Day4 Part2: the main part of > the problem is, given an array of 7 strings, validate them for seven > different conditions, i.e. test item 0 for condition 0, item 1 for condition > 1, etc. > I initially thought pushing an array of 7 functions and doing "[ call ] 2map" > should work, but it didn't. I "solved" the problem by extracting the 7 > strings on the stack (using "7 firstn"), using spread, and collecting them > back (using "7 narray"). Is there a better way to achieve this? > > The full code can be found here: > github.com/Bubbler-4/factor-problem-solving/blob/main/aoc2020/day4/day4.factor > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] How to validate different formats in an array?
Hi, I'm currently solving problems on Advent of Code 2020 (adventofcode.com/2020) and Rosalind (rosalind.info) in Factor. I encountered an interesting problem in AoC2020 Day4 Part2: the main part of the problem is, given an array of 7 strings, validate them for seven different conditions, i.e. test item 0 for condition 0, item 1 for condition 1, etc. I initially thought pushing an array of 7 functions and doing "[ call ] 2map" should work, but it didn't. I "solved" the problem by extracting the 7 strings on the stack (using "7 firstn"), using spread, and collecting them back (using "7 narray"). Is there a better way to achieve this? The full code can be found here: github.com/Bubbler-4/factor-problem-solving/blob/main/aoc2020/day4/day4.factor ___________ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
We need to figure that out. bi/bi*/bi@ tri/tri*/tri@ cleave/spread/apply It might make more sense to have a numerical syntax instead of words or better yet would be to only have cleave/spread/apply and have shorter symbolic syntax for it. Plenty of places where [ foo ] keep bar seems to look cleaner than [ foo ] [ bar ] bi and I’d rather we had more consistency and fewer tokens possibly. > On Dec 6, 2020, at 10:39 AM, kevin wrote: > > > I'm curious, what does higher level cleave/spread/apply syntax look like? > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:48 AM John Benediktsson wrote: >> I’ve always been excited to release 0.99 and then either 0.100 or 0.999 >> depending on my mood. :-) >> >> We have various improvements under way, and would love some contributions if >> anyone has interest and time. It’s unclear how long they will all take. >> >> Some examples: >> >> - ARM support >> - Cross compilation >> - Lexer improvements which enables some better syntax and cross-platform >> parsing >> - Native integer types >> - Better concurrency primitives >> - Higher level cleave/spread/apply syntax to improve readability >> - Multiple dispatch >> - Library improvements like HTTP/2 support >> >> But as with any open source, much of this is driven by the interests and >> needs of contributors and users. >> >> Feel free to post additional ideas that you’d like to see and we can add it >> to the list. >> >> Best, >> John. >> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:40 AM Dave Carlton wrote: >>> Speaking of which, what is the defintion of Factor 1.0? >>> >>> Would be nice to get us to that milestone. >>> — >>> Dave Carlton >>> da...@polymicro.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 09:06, John Benediktsson wrote: >>>> >>>> This whole thing is funny. Let’s postpone a discussion until after we have >>>> Factor working on ARM. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM, sf.alexi...@spamgourmet.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If I were to become a master of computer science or a master in a craft, >>>>> that would mean I've mastered it. >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't mean someone got enslaved in the process. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>>>>> On Friday, December 4, 2020 3:21 PM, Alexander Ilin >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of >>>>>> philosophy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>>>>>> On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - >>>>>>> factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or >>>>>>> college, Headmaster is quite common in UK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SJain >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just don't have time for PC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >>>>>>>> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android >>>>>>>> phone instead. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>>> ___ >>>> Factor-talk mailing list >>>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> >>> ___ >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
I'm curious, what does higher level cleave/spread/apply syntax look like? On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:48 AM John Benediktsson wrote: > I’ve always been excited to release 0.99 and then either 0.100 or 0.999 > depending on my mood. :-) > > We have various improvements under way, and would love some contributions > if anyone has interest and time. It’s unclear how long they will all take. > > Some examples: > > - ARM support > - Cross compilation > - Lexer improvements which enables some better syntax and cross-platform > parsing > - Native integer types > - Better concurrency primitives > - Higher level cleave/spread/apply syntax to improve readability > - Multiple dispatch > - Library improvements like HTTP/2 support > > But as with any open source, much of this is driven by the interests and > needs of contributors and users. > > Feel free to post additional ideas that you’d like to see and we can add > it to the list. > > Best, > John. > > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:40 AM Dave Carlton wrote: > >> Speaking of which, what is the defintion of Factor 1.0? >> >> Would be nice to get us to that milestone. >> — >> Dave Carlton >> da...@polymicro.net >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2020, at 09:06, John Benediktsson wrote: >> >> This whole thing is funny. Let’s postpone a discussion until after we >> have Factor working on ARM. :-) >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM, sf.alexi...@spamgourmet.com wrote: >> >> >> If I were to become a master of computer science or a master in a craft, >> that would mean I've mastered it. >> >> It doesn't mean someone got enslaved in the process. >> >> >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Friday, December 4, 2020 3:21 PM, Alexander Ilin < >> alex.i...@protonmail.com> wrote: >> >> Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of >> philosophy. >> >> >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - >> factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net < >> sf.alexilin.f5f5b45d28.factor-talk#lists.sourceforge@ob.0sg.net> >> wrote: >> >> IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or >> college, Headmaster is quite common in UK. >> >> SJain >> >> On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack < >> benja...@bitquabit.com> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >>> >>> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >>> >>> Just don't have time for PC. >>> >>> >>> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >>> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone >>> instead. >>> >> >> >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Discord server for Factor
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Re: [Factor-talk] Introducing myself.
Thank you for the lovely welcome. I hope you enjoy playing with Quackery. I've had a lot of pleasure putting it together over the last two years. I don't think I'll be a frequent contributor to factor-talk - learning About Factor is on my to-do list, but at the moment I've been browsing the list archives and it's all just whooshing right over my head. I do, however, hope to be a regular contributor to concatenative.org - in the New Year. The Quackery Crew are looking for an increased online presence for Quackery in wiki form, and it looks like the perfect place to give them a team project to work on. (This is me giving you an opportunity to let me know if that wouldn't be appropriate, btw.) The good news in that respect is that I found the wiki sandpit - so I won't be cluttering up the "recent edits" with a dozen "fixed typo's" in future. Sorry about that. Bests, Gordon > On 5 Dec 2020, at 02:46, John Benediktsson wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > Welcome! I read your wiki page and bookmarked Quackery to play with later. > Looks neat! > > Thanks for sharing! > > Best, > John. > >> On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Gordon Charlton >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I just added a page to concatenative.org so I figure it would be polite to >> introduce myself here. (I'm new to this editing wikis thing and don't want >> to inadvertently step on toes). >> >> So, Hi! I'm Gordon, and this is the page I added. I hope that's OK. :-) >> >> https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Quackery >> >> Gordon Charlton >> (More than you ever needed or wanted to know about me, here... >> https://www.facebook.com/gordon.charlton/ ) >> _______ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
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Hi Gordon, Welcome! I read your wiki page and bookmarked Quackery to play with later. Looks neat! Thanks for sharing! Best, John. > On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Gordon Charlton wrote: > > > Hi, > > I just added a page to concatenative.org so I figure it would be polite to > introduce myself here. (I'm new to this editing wikis thing and don't want to > inadvertently step on toes). > > So, Hi! I'm Gordon, and this is the page I added. I hope that's OK. :-) > > https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Quackery > > Gordon Charlton > (More than you ever needed or wanted to know about me, here... > https://www.facebook.com/gordon.charlton/ ) > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Introducing myself.
Hi, I just added a page to concatenative.org so I figure it would be polite to introduce myself here. (I'm new to this editing wikis thing and don't want to inadvertently step on toes). So, Hi! I'm Gordon, and this is the page I added. I hope that's OK. :-) https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Quackery Gordon Charlton (More than you ever needed or wanted to know about me, here... https://www.facebook.com/gordon.charlton/ ) ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
I’ve always been excited to release 0.99 and then either 0.100 or 0.999 depending on my mood. :-) We have various improvements under way, and would love some contributions if anyone has interest and time. It’s unclear how long they will all take. Some examples: - ARM support - Cross compilation - Lexer improvements which enables some better syntax and cross-platform parsing - Native integer types - Better concurrency primitives - Higher level cleave/spread/apply syntax to improve readability - Multiple dispatch - Library improvements like HTTP/2 support But as with any open source, much of this is driven by the interests and needs of contributors and users. Feel free to post additional ideas that you’d like to see and we can add it to the list. Best, John. On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:40 AM Dave Carlton wrote: > Speaking of which, what is the defintion of Factor 1.0? > > Would be nice to get us to that milestone. > — > Dave Carlton > da...@polymicro.net > > > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 09:06, John Benediktsson wrote: > > This whole thing is funny. Let’s postpone a discussion until after we have > Factor working on ARM. :-) > > > On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM, sf.alexi...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > > > If I were to become a master of computer science or a master in a craft, > that would mean I've mastered it. > > It doesn't mean someone got enslaved in the process. > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Friday, December 4, 2020 3:21 PM, Alexander Ilin < > alex.i...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of > philosophy. > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - > factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net < > sf.alexilin.f5f5b45d28.factor-talk#lists.sourceforge@ob.0sg.net> > wrote: > > IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or > college, Headmaster is quite common in UK. > > SJain > > On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack < > benja...@bitquabit.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >> >> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >> >> Just don't have time for PC. >> >> >> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone >> instead. >> > > > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
Speaking of which, what is the defintion of Factor 1.0? Would be nice to get us to that milestone. — Dave Carlton da...@polymicro.net > On Dec 4, 2020, at 09:06, John Benediktsson wrote: > > This whole thing is funny. Let’s postpone a discussion until after we have > Factor working on ARM. :-) > > >> On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM, sf.alexi...@spamgourmet.com wrote: >> >> >> If I were to become a master of computer science or a master in a craft, >> that would mean I've mastered it. >> >> It doesn't mean someone got enslaved in the process. >> >> >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Friday, December 4, 2020 3:21 PM, Alexander Ilin >> wrote: >> >>> Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of >>> philosophy. >>> >>> >>> >>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>> On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - >>> factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> wrote: >>> >>>> IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or >>>> college, Headmaster is quite common in UK. >>>> >>>> SJain >>>> >>>> On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack >>>> wrote: >>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >>>>> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >>>>> >>>>> Just don't have time for PC. >>>> >>>> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >>>> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone >>>> instead. >>> >> >> ___________ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
This whole thing is funny. Let’s postpone a discussion until after we have Factor working on ARM. :-) > On Dec 4, 2020, at 6:24 AM, sf.alexi...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > > > If I were to become a master of computer science or a master in a craft, that > would mean I've mastered it. > > It doesn't mean someone got enslaved in the process. > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Friday, December 4, 2020 3:21 PM, Alexander Ilin >> wrote: >> >> Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of philosophy. >> >> >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >>> On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - >>> factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >>> wrote: >>> >>> IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or college, >>> Headmaster is quite common in UK. >>> >>> SJain >>> >>>> On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >>>>> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >>>>> >>>>> Just don't have time for PC. >>>> >>>> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >>>> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone >>>> instead. >> > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
If I were to become a master of computer science or a master in a craft, that would mean I've mastered it. It doesn't mean someone got enslaved in the process. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, December 4, 2020 3:21 PM, Alexander Ilin wrote: > Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of philosophy. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - > factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > wrote: > >> IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or college, >> Headmaster is quite common in UK. >> >> SJain >> >> On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >>> >>>> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >>>> >>>> Just don't have time for PC. >>> >>> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >>> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone >>> instead.___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
Right. I'm a master of philosophy, but I don't want to be main of philosophy. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, December 4, 2020 8:34 AM, SJain via Factor-talk - factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: > IMHO, master is such an honourable word. Ex. Master of a school or college, > Headmaster is quite common in UK. > > SJain > > On 3 December 2020 3:56:01 AM IST, Benjamin Pollack > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: >> >>> I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. >>> >>> Just don't have time for PC. >> >> Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's >> ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone >> instead.___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] font size in help browser
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:52 PM John Benediktsson wrote: > The easiest way, I suppose, to change all the font sizes is to increase > this constant, and then refresh help.stylesheet, and restart: > > https://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-default-font-size,fonts.html > > We have a patch to make this a bit easier, but currently several of our > libraries like the help system start by basing their font sizes on that > default value. I’d like that to hit master soon. > > You can also Ctrl +/- in the help browser to change font sizes. > > The Crtl +/- thing doesn't appear to work for me either in windows nor linux > Best, > John. > > On Nov 27, 2020, at 7:48 PM, support wrote: > > > Hi everyone. > > I was wondering how would I change the font size in the help browser and > generally the IDE under Windows. > > I don't really want to have to change the font size in all the other > unrelated windows. > > TIA, > -Kevin > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > _______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, at 16:56, Dave Carlton wrote: > I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. > > Just don't have time for PC. Well, the good news is we thankfully run just fine on Mac, and there's ongoing work to add ARM support so you could use a tablet or Android phone instead._______ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Should we default to main?
I'm getting cranky in my old age. Aplogies. Just don't have time for PC. — Dave Carlton da...@polymicro.net <mailto:da...@polymicro.net> > On Dec 2, 2020, at 14:56, John Benediktsson <mailto:mrj...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > I really don't disagree with you that much, however there is likely going to > be an increasing shift to main over the next few years, here's some > background by GitHub on the topic: > > https://github.com/github/renaming <https://github.com/github/renaming> > > And some information about the change to support init.defaultBranch in git > 2.28: > > https://github.blog/2020-07-27-highlights-from-git-2-28/ > <https://github.blog/2020-07-27-highlights-from-git-2-28/> > > There is no need to rush into a rename... If anyone feels strongly, we can > even delay it or discuss it further. Ideally, it won't impact anyone except > the core developers since we can maintain a master branch that mirrors main > (rather than the other way around) if we commit to the rename at some point. > In addition, "fixing" other language uses like whitelist/blacklist to > allowlist/blocklist is pretty much a resolved topic for most projects, > whether they've had direct feedback about offensive language or not. > > I wonder when it's not going to be PC to refer to algorithms like STONITH. > > Best, > John. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Dave Carlton <mailto:da...@polymicro.net>> wrote: > I see no reason to change existing project to use this stupid convention. If > you want to use main for new projects, fine, but why take time and effort to > fit into a new PC paradyme is asinine. Whats this world ocming to? > master/slave, master/client in context of CS in no way reflects upon slavery > in the south IMHO. Put on your big guy shorts or big girl panties as the case > may be and get on with your life, its too short for this kind of PC shite. > > > — > Dave Carlton > da...@polymicro.net <mailto:da...@polymicro.net> > > > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:30, Zoltán Kéri via Factor-talk >> > <mailto:factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote: >> >> Dear Lord, I am so sorry that this is a thing today. The main reason for the >> change is the word's ties to slavery, except the term within this context >> has absolutely nothing to do with slavery. It is a bullshit move from >> whoever keeps pushing it, they have zero context-awareness. Welp. >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:53 PM, Benjamin Pollack >> mailto:benja...@bitquabit.com>> wrote: >> >>> I noticed that we've got both main and master branches at this point. >>> Should I be pushing to main or to master? Do we have a workflow, or we're >>> just keeping them in sync for now? >>> >>> Factor-talk mailing list >>> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >>> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Factor-talk mailing list >> Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk >> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > > _______ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk> > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
