Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: Richard didn't need it,he just knows! Don't be a fool, Curtis, - there's not a single thing you can learn at a TTC, CCP, or ATC, that you can't learn right where you are sitting. Some of you TM teachers get all puffed up with pride at all your vaulted learning. Keep it simple - all you have to do is relax - you'd don't need to know anything about all the seven states of conciousness and how many yakshis are up in the tree. All you have to do is stop your striving. Now Richard, don't go all neo-advaita on us! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp wrote: Although your last two paragraphs get a bit flaky, Richard, I have to say this is one of the best damn posts you've ever done. Thanks Shemp, but the last paragraph still stands. Franky, Peter, I'm surprised that I'm having to explain this to you, you being an educated doctor and all. You really suck as a TM teacher. But you suck even more as a cult exit counselor. I seem to have missed the front half of this conversation! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
Richard, are you a TM teacher? A Governor? --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, where, exactly, in SBAL does Maharishi talk about demons? Curtis wrote: What kind of line are you trying to draw here Richard? That almost all of the Maharishi trained TM teachers are idiots and stoopid schmucks who all failed to understand the process of effortless transcending? That many of them wanted TM to be a religion and Maharishi to be the Pope? That many of them left the TMO when they realized that TM was not a new reeligion? And that they mis-understood the most basic teaching of Adwaita? So, where, exactly, anywhere, does Maharishi talk about the demons? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Vaj wrote: Most westerners would do well, for the sake of perspective, to look at what political movements these Vedic Fundies are associated with. I think they'd be downright shocked. Unless of course Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Anally or some other right-wing wind-up doll happens to be your hero... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Curtis wrote: My point was only concerning certain specific content. My point was that I can't find any reference in SBAL where the Maharishi talks about the demons of Hindu mythology. Did he mention this at your TTC? According to Ed, Maharishi mentions demons in SBAL. He probably was thinking of M's 1/3 of the Gita translation.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:25 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM) Is anyone else besides the WAR MONGER thinking that I ever mentioned demons being in the SBAL? He was overwhelmingly answered by several other posters with several quotations from the SBAL with my exact words, but after such, this massively brain damaged person's query having been satisfied entirely, suddenly he's talking about demons as if I ever used that word. Pure troll shit. Hey, everyone..HEY HEY HEY..(Rick's party stops, music put on pause, everyone stares at me, and I yell) THIS GUY RIGHT HERE WITH THE MASSIVE ASTRAL HEAD WOUND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY -- AN AMBULANCE HAS BEEN CALLED. Congratulations, Edg. You finally “got” WillyTex. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1257 - Release Date: 2/3/2008 5:49 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Duveyoung wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never was myself a TM teacher and personally I WAS interested in MMY's commentary on the Gita and his SBAL - as an underlying universal spiritual perspective to the practice of TM, but one which was not forced down your throat (unless perhaps you became a teacher?). Because of that it WAS OK to see the technique independently, as a SECULAR procedure. TM teachers got it across to everyone by a variety of methods right from the start: the puja required one to kneel -- okay, they were invited, merely, to kneel, but I never had anyone not kneel over 2,000 pujas. It was a religious rite, a worship -- plain and simple. The fact that mantras were sounds of Hindu significance was to be expected, given MMY's cultural background, Jerry Jarvis made fun of the concept by saying we could be using sounds that were, in Chinese, the names of spices but that didn't make TM an act of cookery. But it was a big fat lie and every teacher knew that the mantras were the names and attributes of Gods that the Holy Tradition ADORED, and today, we openly SELL PRAYERS TO THESE GODS and call them yagyas. but there was nothing in TM practice itself that resembled a religious practice - no required articles of faith, moral commandments to follow, nothing that resembled traditional prayer. Meditate twice a day and take it easy. THAT'S A RELIGIOUS COMMANDMENT. If one didn't do it twice a day, the TM teacher was expected to challenge the meditator about that.it was a TM teacher's morality being imposed on them. Take it easy meant a host of lifestyle changes that TM teachers slowly indoctrinated them with -- sleep by 10pm, no root veggies, no salt, no meat.these were especially seen in resident courses. WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS WHAT...even though it wasn't official, we sure knew it was. Sitting with eyes closed, repeating a sound, after a puja -- this screams RELIGION. Edg, the closer you look, the more you'll see (and this is a shocker for most westerners) that the root of TM are Vedic Fundamentalism and Hindu nationalism. It's bizarrely parallel, in a somewhat different manner, to Christian Fundamentalism. Vedic Fundamentalism, from the POV of western tastes, appears very left to our western worldview, but in terms of India/ Bharat itself, it's similar to other right-wing nationalistic family value type movements in that it tries to be very puritanical and pretends to return to some imagined past. Instead of a Judeo-Christian Creation Science, these guys admonish a Vedic Creation Science provocatively (and very tenuously) connected to Quantum physics. Hinduism as a popular movement has lost most of it's Dionysian gnostic roots and has instead settled into a sentimental, puritanical form of Vaishnavism. Once, in the middle ages, the leanings of the merchant class; now it has become mainstream--much like the fundie megachurches of the American middle classes. Most westerners would do well, for the sake of perspective, to look at what political movements these Vedic Fundies are associated with. I think they'd be downright shocked.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat later, yes, indeed. Ya gotta love the theater of the absurd performed by Nabby, Richard and me arguing about which one of us mad hatters understands MMY's teacher BETTER! What a moment of comedy on FFL! It is pretty funny! Are Richard and Nabby even TM teachers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Curtis wrote: So Richard claims to know more about TM than MMY, but I claim to know more about his teaching than people who haven't gone through TTC. Maybe so, but you don't know more about TM than I do regardless of your TTC claims. The proof is here for anyone to read. I'm afraid that this ship sailed over 18 years ago Richard. You want the crown, TM expert, it is all yours. Have fun with it, I certainly did. When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat later, yes, indeed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM has never been secular (secular organization to teach TM)
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis wrote: So Richard claims to know more about TM than MMY, but I claim to know more about his teaching than people who haven't gone through TTC. Maybe so, but you don't know more about TM than I do regardless of your TTC claims. The proof is here for anyone to read. I'm afraid that this ship sailed over 18 years ago Richard. You want the crown, TM expert, it is all yours. Have fun with it, I certainly did. When someone claims to know more about TM than MMY, the conversation screeches to an immediate halt and one politely excuses oneself because they left something cooking on the stove, so sorry! We must chat later, yes, indeed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
