Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 8:10 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>


I wouldn't want to get my ass shot off for Israel either.

>
Apparently you wouldn't want to risk your life for anything you believe 
in. So, I wonder how you're going to participate in a "revolution" since 
you don't even seem to want to join in a street protest in Berkeley. 
Shit, you can't even seem to protest the other Barry calling in the cops 
on a Yahoo discussion group.


I mean, why would you want to support the only Democracy in the Middle 
East, when you don't even support the Democracy in the U.S. Go figure./

>/

/"...myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel 
orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the 
American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never 
happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate 
non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind 
Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel)."/


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>


On 12/07/2014 04:21 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I am sure Andy is right and that we all have been had (to varying 
extents and degrees). The key is figuring out by whom and by what.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I wouldn't want to get my ass shot off for Israel either.

On 12/07/2014 04:21 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I am sure Andy is right and that we all have been had (to varying 
extents and degrees). The key is figuring out by whom and by what.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 12:00 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
PS In short, it's not the religion, it's the evolution of the 
practioners and all have fallen short of the glory of God!

>
/It would probably take someone in pretty deep cognitive dissonance to 
think that Christian practitioners are anything like the Christians 
described in the New Testament, Mike./

>




*From:* "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:54 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita? Same thing. "I come to reward the 
rightous and destroy the wicked" and He instructs the devotee not to 
be concerned for those that He judges. Now, men doing the same thing, 
in the *name* of God, is in itself, wicked because it is purely 
political as opposed to God's judgement. You might ask yourself, Why 
did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob judge those groups so harshly 
and wanted them destroyed and why everyone? In one case, the king of 
Israel granted mercy and spaired some lives,really for 
ransom,violating what the prophet had told him. One person that he let 
go, gave birth to a group of people, that hundreds of years later, 
tried to to exterminate all of the Jews, starting with those in 
Persia, read the book of Esther. The Jews were destined to produce the
Kwisatz Haderach, oops... wrong book, I mean the Messiah, who would 
bring salvation to the world. Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back to the 
Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not men. People do all kinds of 
crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not through with those 
that have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will bless those 
that bless you and curse those that curse you".




*From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches 
peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the 
Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have 
it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the 
systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If 
that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.


Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following 
verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God 
himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea:


/Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from 
before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the 
Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest 
you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are 
going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their 
altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images 
(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is 
Jealous, is a jealous God.)/

Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

/You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before 
you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put 
ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before 
you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply 
you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, 
and clear out the old because of the new./

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you 
go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to 
another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for 
yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and 
commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy 
objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely 
you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? 
I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage 
today!


If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point 
about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the 
way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical 
verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for 
thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific 
acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian 
Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic 
slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the 
Bible's genocidal language as justification.


Now

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 12/7/2014 11:54 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita?

>
/Not only has he read it, he probably has a copy at his bedside. How 
many years did he say he was a member to the that Orthodox Christian 
sect?//So, I wonder if he can spell cognitive dissonance?/

>
Same thing. "I come to reward the rightous and destroy the wicked" and 
He instructs the devotee not to be concerned for those that He judges. 
Now, men doing the same thing, in the *name* of God, is in itself, 
wicked because it is purely political as opposed to God's judgement. 
You might ask yourself, Why did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob 
judge those groups so harshly and wanted them destroyed and why 
everyone? In one case, the king of Israel granted mercy and spaired 
some lives,really for ransom,violating what the prophet had told 
him. One person that he let go, gave birth to a group of people, that 
hundreds of years later, tried to to exterminate all of the Jews, 
starting with those in Persia, read the book of Esther. The Jews were 
destined to produce the
Kwisatz Haderach, oops... wrong book, I mean the Messiah, who would 
bring salvation to the world. Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back to the 
Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not men. People do all kinds of 
crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not through with those 
that have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will bless those 
that bless you and curse those that curse you".


*From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches 
peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the 
Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have 
it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the 
systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If 
that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.


Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following 
verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God 
himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea:


/Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from 
before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the 
Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest 
you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are 
going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their 
altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images 
(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is 
Jealous, is a jealous God.)/

Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

/You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before 
you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put 
ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before 
you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply 
you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, 
and clear out the old because of the new./

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you 
go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to 
another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for 
yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and 
commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy 
objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely 
you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? 
I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage 
today!


If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point 
about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the 
way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical 
verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for 
thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific 
acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian 
Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic 
slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the 
Bible's genocidal language as justification.


Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians 
like Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. 
They'll claim that God required his followers to commit genocidal 
atrocities during the time of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought 
a New Testament which instead instructs people to turn the other cheek.


First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea 
out. Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they 
slaughtered their enemies in the name of God. Church

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 I am sure Andy is right and that we all have been had (to varying extents and 
degrees). The key is figuring out by whom and by what. 
   

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There has been lots of stories that many ISIS guys are not particularly 
religious, there are just in it for the opportunity for a lot of rapes and 
killing and feeling powerful. 
 

 Boys will be boys. One of the jihadis from the UK had a copy of 'The Koran for 
Dummies' in his rucksac when he was stopped at the border. How religiously 
motivated was he? There was a lot of scorn in the papers, but I think these 
kids are brought up in a Muslim environment and they feel a deep kinship that 
they feel they should fight for even if they skipped bible class. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[srijau]

There has been lots of stories that many ISIS guys are not particularly 
religious, there are just in it for the opportunity for a lot of rapes and 
killing and feeling powerful. i

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And regarding ISIS folks might want to read this report.  I've mentioned 
here before the ISIS guys on videos seemed to be a little too 
comfortable with western slang that I wouldn't have expected religious 
zealots to use.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/01/neo-americas-real-ties-to-isis/

As Andy Kaufman might say "we're being had."

On 12/07/2014 09:21 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/I will allow emptybill to fight this intellectual battle, only 
tossing into the ring, "Anyone who could have been impressed by the 
notion of a 'jealous God' when growing up was probably already halfway 
on the way to becoming a victim of abuse, having been programmed to 
follow that path by their abusers."

/*
*//*


*From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, December 7, 2014 6:05 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else


Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches 
peace, love and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the 
Bible is the greatest book ever written. Well, folks, they can't have 
it both ways. The fact is that the Bible promotes genocide, the 
systematic destruction of entire populations of human beings. If 
that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.


Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following 
verses, just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God 
himself thinks that genocide is a wonderful idea:


/Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from 
before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the 
Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest 
you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are 
going, lest it be a snare in your midst. But you shall destroy their 
altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images 
(For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is 
Jealous, is a jealous God.)/

Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14

/You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before 
you. Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put 
ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before 
you. For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply 
you and confirm My covenant with you. You shall eat the old harvest, 
and clear out the old because of the new./

Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9

So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you 
go out and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to 
another ethic group and are already living on the land you want for 
yourself. Furthermore, the Bible says that he wants you to go out and 
commit cultural genocide, destroying the religious buildings and holy 
objects of rival religions. So come on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely 
you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, don't you? 
I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and start your pillage 
today!


If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point 
about a couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the 
way that Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical 
verses, and others like them, have been used by Christians for 
thousands of years to justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific 
acts of genocide. Just in the last couple of years, the Christian 
Yugoslav government led by the popular leader Slobodan Milosevic 
slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, citing the 
Bible's genocidal language as justification.


Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians 
like Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. 
They'll claim that God required his followers to commit genocidal 
atrocities during the time of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought 
a New Testament which instead instructs people to turn the other cheek.


First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea 
out. Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they 
slaughtered their enemies in the name of God. Church leaders supported 
these acts and often led the clamor for holy wars.


Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and 
all-knowing and all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell 
his followers to go out and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and 
then have changed his mind a thousand years or so later. If God really 
knows all and can do whatever he wants, why couldn't he have brought 
Jesus and the New Testament down earlier and saved the Earth a whole 
lot of bloodshed? Waiting around to teach forgiveness after you've 
been teaching human slaughter doesn't sound very all-loving to me. 
Whichever tack you t

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

PS In short, it's not the religion, it's the evolution of the practioners and 
all have fallen short of the glory of God! 
  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita? Same thing. "I come to reward the 
rightous and destroy the wicked" and He instructs the devotee not to be 
concerned for those that He judges. Now, men doing the same thing, in the 
*name* of God, is in itself, wicked because it is purely political as opposed 
to God's judgement. You might ask yourself, Why did the God of Abraham, Isaac 
and Jacob judge those groups so harshly and wanted them destroyed and why 
everyone? In one case, the king of Israel granted mercy and spaired some 
lives,really for ransom,violating what the prophet had told him. One person 
that he let go, gave birth to a group of people, that hundreds of years later, 
tried to to exterminate all of the Jews, starting with those in Persia, read 
the book of Esther. The Jews were destined to produce theKwisatz Haderach, 
oops... wrong book, I mean the Messiah, who would bring salvation to the world. 
Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back to the Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not 
men. People do all kinds of crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not 
through with those that have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will 
bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you".
  

 From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
    
Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written.  Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not be

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ummm Empty... ever read the Gita? Same thing. "I come to reward the rightous 
and destroy the wicked" and He instructs the devotee not to be concerned for 
those that He judges. Now, men doing the same thing, in the *name* of God, is 
in itself, wicked because it is purely political as opposed to God's judgement. 
You might ask yourself, Why did the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob judge those 
groups so harshly and wanted them destroyed and why everyone? In one case, the 
king of Israel granted mercy and spaired some lives,really for ransom,violating 
what the prophet had told him. One person that he let go, gave birth to a group 
of people, that hundreds of years later, tried to to exterminate all of the 
Jews, starting with those in Persia, read the book of Esther. The Jews were 
destined to produce theKwisatz Haderach, oops... wrong book, I mean the 
Messiah, who would bring salvation to the world. Jesus 's *pedigree* goes back 
to the Jews in Persia. God judges righously, not men. People do all kinds of 
crazy things in the names of their Gods. God is not through with those that 
have tried to destroy the Jews in the past. "I will bless those that bless you 
and curse those that curse you".
   From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else
   
     
Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written.  Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of God.  Church leaders supported these acts and often led 
the clamor for holy wars.
Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and 
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out 
and engage in acts of ethnic cleans

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Christian answer to ISIS and much else

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I will allow emptybill to fight this intellectual battle, only tossing into the 
ring, "Anyone who could have been impressed by the notion of a 'jealous God' 
when growing up was probably already halfway on the way to becoming a victim of 
abuse, having been programmed to follow that path by their abusers." 

  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

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Christians like to tell the rest of us that their religion teaches peace, love 
and understanding. They also are fond of saying that the Bible is the greatest 
book ever written.  Well, folks, they can't have it both ways. The fact is that 
the Bible promotes genocide, the systematic destruction of entire populations 
of human beings. If that's Christian compassion, then I'm the Pope.
Don't believe that the Bible teaches genocide? Check out the following verses, 
just two of the many from the Bible that suggest that God himself thinks that 
genocide is a wonderful idea:
Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you 
the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite 
and the Jebusite. Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the 
inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down 
their wooden images (For you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose 
name is Jealous, is a jealous God.)Exodus, Chapter 34, verses 11-14
You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. Five 
of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to 
flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. For I will look on you 
favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you. 
You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the 
new.Leviticus, Chapter 26, verses 7-9
So this is God's love: if he looks favorably upon you, he'll help you go out 
and slaughter ten thousand people just because they belong to another ethic 
group and are already living on the land you want for yourself. Furthermore, 
the Bible says that he wants you to go out and commit cultural genocide, 
destroying the religious buildings and holy objects of rival religions. So come 
on, Christians! Hop to it! Surely you believe that the Bible is the inspired 
word of God, don't you? I'll bet you can find some non-Christian temple and 
start your pillage today!
If you think I'm being sarcastic, or am just making an academic point about a 
couple of long-forgotten verses that have no connection to the way that 
Christianity is practiced today, you're wrong. These biblical verses, and 
others like them, have been used by Christians for thousands of years to 
justify hundreds, if not thousands, of horrific acts of genocide. Just in the 
last couple of years, the Christian Yugoslav government led by the popular 
leader Slobodan Milosevic slaughtered huge numbers of ethnic Albanian Muslims, 
citing the Bible's genocidal language as justification.
Now, some peaceable apologetic Christians will argue that Christians like 
Milosevic have merely misunderstood the teachings of the Bible. They'll claim 
that God required his followers to commit genocidal atrocities during the time 
of the Old Testament but that Jesus brought a New Testament which instead 
instructs people to turn the other cheek.
First of all, Christian history does not bear this New Testament idea out. 
Christian armies never turned the other cheek when they slaughtered their 
enemies in the name of God.  Church leaders supported these acts and often led 
the clamor for holy wars.
Secondly, the New Testament argument destroys the very foundation that 
Christianity is built upon. If God is really all-powerful and all-knowing and 
all-loving, then he can't possibly have meant to tell his followers to go out 
and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and then have changed his mind a 
thousand years or so later. If God really knows all and can do whatever he 
wants, why couldn't he have brought Jesus and the New Testament down earlier 
and saved the Earth a whole lot of bloodshed? Waiting around to teach 
forgiveness after you've been teaching human slaughter doesn't sound very 
all-loving to me. Whichever tack you take, the argument that a New Testament 
separates modern Christianity from the atrocities of the Old Testament is a 
theologically unsound excuse.
That also goes for the whole rigamarole that Christians go through to give 
themselves the title of God's new Chosen People. This old Christian canard 
argues that God used to call the Jews his Chosen People, but the Jews weren't 
worthy, so since the arrival of Jesus, the Chosen People are the Christians. 
Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes who the Chosen People are