Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision [OFFTOPIC]

2003-03-19 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Masoud Sharbiani wrote:

 You can't revoke a license by not just providing the software anymore.

 Yes you can. That was exactly what happened to OEone, where FSF 
 prohibited us from providing bash, glibc (and therefore all of our 
 distro, since we used glibc) because of a breach we did from GPL (it is 
 now resolved).

FSF people didn't revoke a license themselves. The license automatically
got revoked because of the breach. This is mentioned in clause 4 of GPL:

  4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program 
  except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise 
  to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will 
  automatically terminate your rights under this License. However, parties 
  who have received copies, or rights, from you under this License will 
  not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in full 
  compliance.

 So, in practice what happens is that MSFT's lawyers would contact the
 owner of that SF project, and tell them to 'cease and desist' since
 still they own the distributed material, and they can change terms of
 service, much like a leased car, or apartment. Just like that.

I can't agree. Not if the SF guys follow the license (OEone had not
followed the license). But I agree that the SF guys may stop distributing
the fonts if MSFT starts to threaten them a little.

roozbeh

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Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision

2003-03-14 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, C Bobroff wrote:

 Speaking of Windows, I have heard unsubstantiated reports that even with
 WinXP, the yeh (06CC--on the d key) works great in some editing
 programs such as Word but even on the same computer, fails to work in
 other programs.

That will be correct if you replace with when using other fonts. The Yeh 
problem is font-specific, and if I recall correctly, some of the Windows 
XP's Arabic fonts still have that bug.

 Also, it's true that the fonts have been corrected concerning the yeh.
 However, the people in the Microsoft Typography dept who have removed the
 free font downloads don't seem to know that there is no way to legally
 obtain the corrected fonts (unless they upgrade.)

They may not know, but there *is* a way to legally obtain the corrected
fonts. For an example, please see:

http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/

 Just curious: What if you are searching for an Arabic  word but you are
 inputting your search in FA mode (maybe you are more familiar with the
 keyboard layout, etc.)  Since some of the yeh forms in Arabic and Persian
 are identical (in appearance) but have different unicode values, will this
 not adversely affect your search?

This will affect your search and find all the other Yehs also. In the case 
this is not desired, you should be able to turn off this magic as an 
option, like the uppercase/lowercase searching option in many search 
boxes.

roozbeh

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Re: [farsiweb]YEH problem decision

2003-03-14 Thread C Bobroff
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
 There is Times New Roman there. The file is named 'times32.exe'. I guess
 you missed it.

I didn't *miss* it. I thought it was a different font. I stand corrected.
You're also right that it was on the free downloads page which can still
be viewed here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020206194652/www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm


 The guys at MS just don't remember.
Now I will remind them and mention they should let me put a copy on my
website for distribution as the license clearly states. The soureforge
site is just too newbie-unfriendly!

 IIRC, fonts like 'Arabic Transparent' are not in good shape for XP.
Oh! I took one look at that one and fled. Got enough problems with the
core fonts.
If you have a list of problems though, I'll be sure to pass it along.


  Sometimes,
 when Paul got tired of me nagging, he just asked a question in return: Do
 you have a valid license for the product?
Delightful!
Then just let me know and I'll handle the nagging. That's one thing I'm
good at! (Actually I'm thinking I should get Paul to fly you in to the
campus for the afternoon...you could have a regular bug-fixing spree!)


  should be very easy.
LOL! Your sense of humor becomes more refined as the night wears on.  A
regal treat awaits the silent lurkers who are just now getting out of bed.

-Connie

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