Re: Migrating from Fedora Art Team to Fedora Design Team
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:24:58PM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi folks, As discussed some time ago [1], we are going to rebrand ourselves as the Fedora Design team rather than the Fedora Art team, both in hopes of attracting more UX designers, and also since it's a more accurate representation of the team so folks needing help with UI design will know where to go. Well, for roundabout reasons (getting fed up with our limited ability to collaborate on files, more later in this email) I finally got around to starting this process. Mo, this is fantastic news! This also will help to clarify the boundaries and shared work with the Websites team, I think. This team already has skills beyond just making beautiful art. And a Design team is the perfect way to start attracting people who can help us with workflow issues on our websites, the upcoming Fedora Community, and so forth. I'd love some ideas on where we could start planting some seeds of information in free-culture type design communities, where people might be willing to come and use open processes and free tools to create great new design and user experiences around Fedora. MAILING LIST === We have a new mailing list, now hosted on Fedora's infrastructure: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team Unless there are any objections, I'm going to migrate all subscribers of fedora-art-list to the new design-team list and unsubscribe them from the old art list. I am not sure if there is a better approach. What do you think? I can also try to have a redirect put into place so mails to fedora-art-list@redhat.com are forwarded to design-t...@lists.fedoraproject.org. Additionally, I plan to add some information on the old fedora-art-list list info page to redirect users to the design-team list info page. +1 [...snip...] IRC CHANNEL We've had #fedora-design open for a while in freenode, but only a few of us have been in there, please join us in there if you like! +1, done! ACCOUNT GROUP === We also have a new account group in the Fedora Account system: 'designteam.' I am not sure the best way to proceed populating this group. We could add all users in the art group now to the design group, or we could take the opportunity to filter out inactive members. The reason a new account group was created is the final and I think the most exciting piece of news here. Do you think it's worthwhile to have a Trac instance for the team? I know that many other groups use that as a low-drag queue system. We don't want so much geekiness that it turns off designers. On the other hand, many Fedora groups have a Trac to do queue-type things, and in general it's been found to be easy, flexible, and low-drag. Certainly it beats editing a gigantic wiki page! The combination of this plus a place where we can drop things and paste URLs (like below!) would help speed things up immensely, I think. I can drop this idea on the new design-team list if this doesn't carry over there. Also, I am willing to do the request with the admins, make sure it's working, and reconfigure it to match what we think we need for this team. (I say we here a little loosely because I know I'm not much of an artist or designer, but I do like interacting with people here so I hope no one minds.) :-) So if people +1 this, I have the ball for those tasks. SHARED FILE STORAGE Seth Vidal set up a shared directory for us on fedorapeople.org: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/ Love, love, LOVE IT! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Sleeve design
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 03:35:19PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote: Here's what I got http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/sleeves/F11LiveMediaSleeve_mo-page001.png (tar in the same dir) ~m Mo, I love it! Not having the fedora log on the front is a good idea, I should have done that... You guys are both awesome. Thanks for filtering the good changes from the bad in my email! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora release banners
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:14:59AM +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: 2009/5/10 Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com Actually, Ian's comments notwithstanding, the gradient on the logo should be removed. Where it's not necessary, we shouldn't arbitrarily change the logo appearance, since that violates the logo usage guidelines. Also, it looks like there is an update to the Plymouth boot loader that uses the charging up idea that was presented and favorably received here. Ray Strode labored to get this plugin included as default, so if that's going to be the case we should have that panel represented instead of the generic spinfinity Plymouth screen. I visited https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499643 to try out the plugin. Paolo, can you do one more revision with those two changes? No problem. Below you can find a new revision with some corrections (logo gradient removed, screenshot with new plymouth plugin...) https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/7a/Fedora11-released-banner-big_1e.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/bd/Fedora11-released-banner-big_1e.svg Thanks for those changes, Paolo! Are there any other issues with these banners that need to be looked at? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 05:50:10PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 10:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: FWIW, and not knowing what other testing you require, I installed these and the lion background appears in my background chooser as expected, and works when I select it. Yup, precisely this kind of testing :) Thanks :) Thank you for spending time on this while laid up in bed, Martin! Your hard work is appreciated. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora release banners
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:38:23AM +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: 2009/5/10 Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org The gradient in the logo is fine. The shadows on the logo and the '11' are way too dark. See the most recent large release image on the current fp.o for an example of what it should look like. I've updated the banner with less shadows on 11 and logo: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c6/Fedora11-released-banner-big_1.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/63/Fedora11-released-banner-big_1.svg Actually, Ian's comments notwithstanding, the gradient on the logo should be removed. Where it's not necessary, we shouldn't arbitrarily change the logo appearance, since that violates the logo usage guidelines. Also, it looks like there is an update to the Plymouth boot loader that uses the charging up idea that was presented and favorably received here. Ray Strode labored to get this plugin included as default, so if that's going to be the case we should have that panel represented instead of the generic spinfinity Plymouth screen. I visited https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499643 to try out the plugin. Paolo, can you do one more revision with those two changes? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 11:47:01AM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi all, 'thanks' to me catching flu and having to spend whole days in bed, I decided I'd use some of that spare time on adding the lion images for single screens. I've just built the updated lion-backgrounds package. If as many people as possible could test it before Monday it would be great (I'll blog about it as well to get more attention). This is needed because I'd like it to be tagged for release (so that people won't have to d/l MBs of data just because we added some images) - and that means I need to request freeze break and given the time, I'll need to be very much sure that it does not break anything anywhere. Note, it won't be probably installed by default, especially on Live Spins where each MiB of free space makes difference... Now, how can you test it. The packages in questions are: * leonidas-backgrounds, leonidas-backgrounds-common and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the default design * leonidas-backgrounds-lion and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the lion on single screens * leonidas-backgrounds-landscape for the Beta wallpapers and you can get them from koji [1]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=101491 FWIW, and not knowing what other testing you require, I installed these and the lion background appears in my background chooser as expected, and works when I select it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 07:09:35PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Máirín Duffy wrote: This is an extremely open design team. We openly discuss our methods and our decisions, and we make our source artwork available in open formats using open licenses so anyone who wants to participate, extend, or build on our work can easily. If you been participating in the list when we received complaints on this particular issue and when we made the final call on how to handle it, you could have spoken up just as anyone else could have. Even if you were not paying attention to the list at the time, it doesn't mean the issue wasn't discussed openly. Rodrigo, I recognize your passion, but I must disagree with you. Mo has said it correctly. The purpose of Fedora is not to vote on all sorts of things. The purpose of Fedora is to provide a leadership model for individual teams to take ownership of tasks, and work those tasks to completion in an open, inclusive way. And I think it's worth pointing out that the whole reason we have a different theme now, as opposed to the landscape originally being worked for F11, is precisely *because* the open process allowed someone to bring in a new idea. Did it occur late in the process? Yes. But people committed to working on many of the design pieces needed, which created a clear consensus. Discussing which of several options is most right is perfectly fine, but in the end decisions are made by the people in the teams who are directly doing the work, or those who are active participants. To speak directly: I am a lurker on fedora-art-list. Sometimes I say I like this one! but I don't expect that my voice will have any more than a minor impact, because I'm not the one designing the artwork. I think the fact that the lion is being shipped as an alternative and is default in dual-monitor settings is a good compromise of all the various ideas. Absolutely. As someone who observed for himself the issues with interaction between desktop icons and the lion design, I think it was the correct decision. I would also like everyone here to remember that the decisions we make always have ramifications. It is impossible to lead, in any pursuit, and expect to make every single person happy all the time, no matter how much we'd like it if that was the case. I try to expect that reaction, listen thoughtfully, and do the best I can to at least achieve understanding. Where that isn't possible, I leave the conversation knowing that I've done the best I can, and accept that I cannot provide perfect happiness to everyone -- it's out of my control. Mo, Nicu, Samuele, Paolo, and many other people (please forgive me if I didn't list all names, it's only because of my imperfect, human, aging brain) continue to do an exceptional job making Fedora look BEAUTIFUL, working as a team. Art never pleases everyone, and we can continue to look for ways to improve while peacefully accepting that. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora release banners
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:58:44PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 05/05/2009 01:47 PM, Marc Ferguson wrote: If I wanted to edit this file... Is there a .xcf file or is the .svg file the source. I'm new to svg's. Overall; I love the banner. I don't Yes, SVG is the source and it is vector graphics which you can edit with Inkscape. know I'd be too much to watermark the logo or 11 A mere watermark can be also added with GIMP (GIMP will rasterize the SVG at import). Re: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-May/msg9.html Does this banner need to be translated under the websites freeze? That freeze date is listed as today or tomorrow. I see one version has the text available for download now -- if we plan to use it, we'd want that text to be included in the website data that's frozen for translation. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora T-shirt
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:55:20AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 05/05/2009 10:25 AM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: Also, probably the http://; part on the back side can be dropped, everyone will figure is a website seeing the www. I think the official address we want to spread is http://fedoraproject.org;, that is, no www at all This is a question I am also interested in, I am a hater of the www. part to the point where for my own websites www. is pointed to redirect to the simple domain name. Bot OTOH, http://; may be seen a bit to geeky. May the .org at the end be enough to signal a website address? So what's the official URL? We do put join.fedoraproject.org on our DVD/CD media, so we might want to remain consistent by using that URL. But I think leaving off http://; is fine. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora T-shirt
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:55:20AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 05/05/2009 10:25 AM, Gianluca Sforna wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote: Also, probably the http://; part on the back side can be dropped, everyone will figure is a website seeing the www. I think the official address we want to spread is http://fedoraproject.org;, that is, no www at all This is a question I am also interested in, I am a hater of the www. part to the point where for my own websites www. is pointed to redirect to the simple domain name. Bot OTOH, http://; may be seen a bit to geeky. May the .org at the end be enough to signal a website address? So what's the official URL? Sorry to reply twice -- I also think using fedoraproject.org on its own would be fine. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Banner ideas
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 07:02:50PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 05/04/2009 06:40 PM, María Leandro wrote: Hello all. Hi, I was working on some ideas for a banner that we want to use on fisl 9.0 ( FUDcon Latam ) but I know that I have some mistakes with the logo guidance and the tm background. But I think is a cool idea :) It is a banner? Seeing the image size I thought it is a poster... Some brainstorm? NOTE: The banner is on spanish and has the proyectofedora url (Latam website) But you keep them as text, so is easy to translate, good thing. For bonus points (easier translation), you can also align the text to the center, so even a monkey can translate :D png http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-LATAM/pendon3a.png source svg: (please use mgopen fonts) http://tatica.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-LATAM/pendon3a.svg Ket me start by saying I *love* the concept, I find the four bubbles (4 F) at a certain perspective just awesome. There are still a few problems: - the white band around the logo is a breakage logo usage guidelines, which is a shame, as this way it fir the 4 elements below; - the TM near the logo is badly placed; - the bold variant of the MgOpen Modata used for the URL at the bottom is not that pleasant, it would be better (IMO) with thicker letters; - I would like the design just a bit less centered. Here is my remix based on your graphics: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/pendon3b.png http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/pendon3b.svg Note: I know it can be improved further, the top-right corner has to much empty space. Are the four leaves of the 4-Foundations clover meant to be aligned? Maybe it's just an optical illusion or my bad eyesight, but they look a little out of alignment to me. Other than that, and Nicu's corrections to the logo presentation, this is REALLY cool. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Banner ideas
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 03:28:52PM -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote: As we have several spaces in the event, Maria Leandro and I are thinking of doing some different gear, my idea is that http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/ fedora/fisl10/banner.png It is difficult to work with the 4 f's because both in Portuguese and in Spanish the words do not begin with the letter F, so my idea is to relieve the original idea. Tatica has done a beautiful art with the leaves and I think we can use the two gears to put the events where Fedora will be present. That's one of the main reasons why we don't call them 4 F's, but rather 4 Foundations. The foundations are core values, not marketing slogans. I wrote up a page to explain them here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations Obviously we knew that translations would change these foundations so they wouldn't be alliterated. That's OK -- it's the *value* that's important, not the word itself. As long as a translation is matching the value of the foundation itself, it's a good choice. The icons help to make this distinction as well -- they make a link between the idea behind the word, and the words used in every other language. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artwork pages name mismatch
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:53:06PM +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 22:14 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11 Also can you please tell me how to navigate from main Fedora Artwork page to Fedora Themes (current theme, past themes and future themes)? I don't see any links that lead from main Fedora Artwork page to themes pages... is that on purpose? Why? Not sure if it's on purpose or not, but it's probably not a good idea to keep links from our main page to everywhere... You can navigate to all Artwork pages from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Artwork If not, than that is definitely a not on purpose and should be fixed. I understand and agree that links should not be used carelessly and put all over the main page. But there are lots of links, and most are uninteresting for people not directly involved in artwork team. Non artwork people like me this is ok, but I still expected a link for the final artwork on main artwork page. 1. I want to show people or I want to see current and previous Fedora artwork. 2. I go to www.fedoraproject.org 3. click to go to wiki pages 4. click on artwork 5. look around 6. can't find any actual artwork I guess that other people will also expect to see some fedora artwork (or at least links to fedora artworks) and not only artwork team pages. The page name is Artwork so am I wrong to expect some artwork here? ;) Valent, The wiki is editable by anyone -- so this would be an opportunity for *you* to help by proposing and then making changes on the wiki. That's a model for wiki page improvement that has worked very well in the recent case of the Fedora QA team. A volunteer made changes into a private space under his User: page on the wiki, got people to speak up with votes of approval, and then he made those changes into the official QA section of the wiki. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Plymouth plugin?
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 11:58:48AM -0400, Ray Strode wrote: Hey Paul, Was there a Plymouth plugin being created or reviewed for F11? I seem to recall Charlie producing something but wasn't sure abou the status. Can anyone clue me in? Charlie's plugins were a good start but weren't finished. There was also an unfinished glow plugin. I've been working on coming up with something the last couple of days, but it may be too late for F11 at this point, so we may end up with spinfinity. We'll have to see how it goes down. Is there somewhere people could see what you've done thus far, and/or help? I think it would be a shame not to have something thematic during boot time, although it's certainly not a catastrophe. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Plymouth plugin?
Was there a Plymouth plugin being created or reviewed for F11? I seem to recall Charlie producing something but wasn't sure abou the status. Can anyone clue me in? Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Different Wacom question
B1;1704;0cOn Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:52:40AM -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Le 2009-04-24 06:27, Máirín Duffy a écrit : Hi Paul, A previous thread reminded me to bring this up. I want to buy a drawing tablet, preferably something very well supported in Fedora and using USB. I'm assuming Wacom is the way to go, but I'm not sure which model to get, and I'm open minded as long as I know it's solid and works well with Fedora. I don't want to spend a fortune, but it's OK if something goes into low three-digits (USD $), let's say US $250 or less. What does the Artwork team recommend? I've always had luck with the Wacom graphire series. They're quite affordable, while I bought mine quite some time ago I believe it was $120. For years now they just work out-of-the-box, and if you want pressure-sensitivity, it's just a little more configuration (you need to add Xorg.conf back to F10 which actually causes some painful issues (kernel panic on shutdown, fun things like that) ) but it's liveable. I heard that a fix for this went into F11. I can confirm the fix (courtesy of Peter Hutterer)work well on Fedora Rawhide (soon to be Leonidas) using the legacy USB Graphire2 4x5. Pressure sensitivity is out of box specific to application. Make sure to set input device to Wacom. Is the only difference between the small Wacom Bamboo and the small Bamboo Fun (both about 6 x 4) the extra proprietary software packages that come with the Fun? Thank you again, Artwork team, for entertaining my slightly OT questions. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpgWkahOtn6F.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Different Wacom question
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:59:14PM +0200, Israel Rodríguez wrote: Hi Paul, Is the only difference between the small Wacom Bamboo and the small Bamboo Fun (both about 6 x 4) the extra proprietary software packages that come with the Fun? Yes, software is the only difference (ArtRage, is entertaining, but not proffesional and Photoshop Elements is only a propietary software you can get using the GIMP and f-spot togheter). If you will use it as a replace of mouse, I recomend you the small bamboo. But if you will use it for design, Bamboo Fun (medium) will be better (but it's only a size issue) if you want to be more confortable drawing. Just my opinion, more questions? :) Thanks, that helps. I want to use primarily for drawing, not to replace my mouse. I'm not much of an artist, but drawing with a mouse is simply not fun, and without pressure sensitivity it's even more of a drag. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpOBL15n7S72.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for F11
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 05:48:10PM +0200, Israel Rodríguez wrote: El jue, 23-04-2009 a las 17:45 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik escribió: On Thursday 23 April 2009 17:40:26 Samuele Storari wrote: I was out for the easter's holidays in the last days and I'm returned only yesterday. I see a lot of mail and a lot of changes, I need some explanation, 'cause I have some doubt on the Wallpaper: will we use the Lion only for the Dual Screen? It seems so - people complained that lion is too bright and it's unusable for icons/desktop applets. So if it is, I don't think it's a good idea, 'cause the Lion is the heores of this comunication, of this theme, and takin' it apart for me isn't the right choice, I'm asking 'cause maybe I misunderstood. Maybe I'd like to have one wp theme with lion but only as optional one. It's a little boring theme now but please do not change it - I already have splash/KDM theme and I don't really want to redo it for third time :D An optional wall with the lion could be great (more choice) You might want to consider making the lion less present. Maybe lower the opacity, or alter the color levels to make the lion interfere less with desktop icons on top of it. Sorry if I'm not using the right terminology, I leave the implementation details to the true artists! :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpX4eIsussHj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Should generic-logos' system-logo-white.png be a smiling hot dog with arms and legs?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 05:00:37PM -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: While I don't have a solution to offer, let me just say that this bug report synopsis really made my day. :) Even though I was previously unaware of this easter egg and have no vested interest in its retention, I may have to get t-shirts made that say Save the Fedora hot dog! I'll be the first to buy one. Save the Happy Hot Dog! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpX8KaIh3AGl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:00:46AM +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: - Original Message - From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009 3:18:00 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: F11 Art Schedule 2) Are there any other sources here that aren't being referenced and that we need to clear? I admittedly have not cracked open the source files yet, and I'll be pretty disappointed to find additional graphics that have not been referenced. There is a different lion image in the anaconda graphics. Where did it come from? Hi all, I was very busy in those days, for today I will post the final dual wide wallpaper. About the Anaconda image there's no refence needed 'cause I drawed it but my own as a vector part if you need it I can upload it on the wiki too. And for the Plymouth screen I'm not sure of what I have to do... I have to clean the anaconda header too today. see you later with some new stuffs. Samuele, Having the source is very important, so yes, please upload it on the wiki as well. So that lion in the anaconda image is your original work? It's MARVELOUS! Is it wrong of me to think that the lion's paws hanging over the edge of the graphic are really cool? :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp4nGooXkiQL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:44:52AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: Back in January I met with Mairin and others at FUDCon to plot the art schedule for Fedora 11. As a casual reader of the list I know some things are still in flux and have changed and in some ways that is expected and good. It seems that because the wallpaper was in beta you received feedback in time to change course. Maybe we should build a feedback period into the Fedora 12 schedule? We've learned in past releases that it helps to keep track of how things go (in reality) compared to the estimated schedule so that the estimated schedule for the next release is more realistic and achievable. With that in mind, looking at the splash screen tasks listed in the link below I thought it would be a good idea to record what their completion dates were ore when you estimate they will be complete: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html (task numbers 10 to 21) It is also important to note that we are targeting the completion of final artwork and packaging a little less than two weeks from now on 2009-04-16 so that it can all be in the Preview Release and have two weeks to shake out anything that needs final fixing before GA. Just shamelessly bumping John's post... Does anyone have thoughts on the following questions? * Should there be a feedback period built into the F12 schedule? * How can we improve the schedule of dates for Artwork deliverables, so that they're more realistic or constructive? * What other changes should we make? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp4wkBeoGa5o.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Mascot
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:56:29PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Ashiqur Rahman Angel wrote: Hi, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot . Is there any possibility of a new mascot based on recent versions of Fedora? What I have seen, last mascot was the Warewolf (based on Fedora 8 codenamed Warewolf). We never had a real mascot, the Werewolf was just an unofficial drawing made by me. The general opinion of the larger community was that we don't need a mascot, so we didn't pursue the effort. A mascot would be brand diluting at this point, so my inclination is against having one. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp2umATES7jt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Mascot
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:20:04PM +0200, Max Spevack wrote: On Thu, 2 Apr 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: A mascot would be brand diluting at this point, so my inclination is against having one. Not even a cuddly-wuddly Fedora ferret, with a first name starting with an F? Nicu could draw him in various costumes, little tshirts, or mittens in the winter. I thought you were all about the lemurs, now it's ferrets? Anyway, the answer is NO, Spevack! Now go pay some attention to your cat, whom you're probably ignoring so you can troll us ;-D -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpgbznUhQouA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Concept for F11 King
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 07:39:41AM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com - None of the source images that you used are referenced. Can you please provide references for your source images before uploading artwork to the wiki? Oh, I found the references, sorry for that. The lion picture has a clause that I just want to double check is okay: Please note that my pictures are under the Creative Commons license. You are free to use them in any commercial or non-commercial application, but please send me a message if you used or plan on using any of my pictures, especially for commercial purposes. Thanks in advance. If he *requires* notice of commercial usage, it may pose a problem for Fedora resellers, I'll discuss this with Fedora legal to make sure and perhaps we can talk to the photographer and get his okay if it would be an issue. The way this license reads, the author is asking (note please) for a contact, but it's not required as it would be had he used the wording but you must send me a message This doesn't conflict with his clear statement that the recipient is free to use the picture in any application. The rust texture doesn't have an explicit license. I can try to contact Jeff to see if he can commit to a specific CC-based license that's acceptable for Fedora: http://www.lostandtaken.com/2008/12/reader-submitted-textures-jeff-foster.html Same problem with the spray brushes. The license isn't explicit. Free can mean a lot of things and not all of them involve the kind of free we need, unfortunately. I can try to contact them as well. http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/freebies/free-hi-res-spraypaint-photoshop-brushes-set-two The licensing statements for the freebies on the site are kept here: http://blogspoon.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/freebies/terms-of-use.html Quoting: ''' You Can: * Use the resources in your personal work, in whole or part. * Use the resources in your commercial work, in whole or part. * Modify the work to your personal preference. * Share the resources with others, under the following terms: o Link to the resource webpage, not the download file. o Use an excerpt from the webpage if necessary (don’t copy * the full article and display it on your site) You Can Not: * You can NOT sell the resources directly for profit (eg. Selling the items on stock resource websites) * You can NOT copy the full webpage and display it on your own website. (Use an excerpt by all means, but please link to the original resource download page – not the actual file.) ''' The part that bothers me about these licensing texts is the statement of terms for sharing: it is unclear about whether you *must* link to his resource web page. It would be much better for the author to use a standard license such as CC-BY-SA or some other more appropriate license, not something he's written himself. In the future, it would save a lot of work and heartache to make sure we use work that has explicitly approved licenses. When someone says something like, hey guys here u go it's free have it! it unfortunately does not count as an explicit license in our pre-approved list, so we have to go to Fedora legal on a case-by-case basis and many times contact the authors themselves (who are not always responsive or even reachable) to clarify the situation. +1. Especially when there is not much in the way of time or resources free, having to do all this is a real drag, and gets in the way of creating and promoting beautiful art and design. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpsZMotuN5Kq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: base banner style for f11 leonidas artwork
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:30:42AM +, Charlie Brej wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Charlie Brej wrote: I do like. Simple yet styled. I made a plymouth splash based on it. There is a video[1] and the source for anyone who wants to have a go at Cool animation Charlie, but somewhat slow :p I hope the F11 boot process will not take *that* much and increasing the speed of the white line may not be good looking, how about making the shape bigger (so it is filled faster)? Its not the shape that is slowing it down, its a predicted boot time which by default in test mode is set to 60 seconds (2-3 times slower than real). We match the machine's boot speed to the animation. On that topic, the CPU usage is practically 0% which is nice. I figured as much watching it. *Love* it! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpCvV6VXeSW9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: base banner style for f11 leonidas artwork
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:03:48PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei However, I find them a bit too plain, I would like them more vivid, maybe combined with the photo we are going to use as a background? Like this: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/gnome-splash_f11.png I'll raise your wallpaper splash with this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-4.png What do you think? Increase the transparency just a bit and I'll pay. Art volleys are cool. I remember seeing a design contest like this that was done live on some closed platform, probably Adobe something-or-other. That would be interesting to do during a more down period, like right after a release... art iterations done with commentary on IRC and shared via f-peeps. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgplhhxERYARx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper - NEW FOLKS TOO!
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:58:30AM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:49:51 AM Subject: Re: new direction for the wallpaper Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. I think if more folks are willing to step up and commit to making it happen, it would be great for us to be able to change direction in response to the feedback we get. We do have to keep an eye on the schedule though. Right now I'm a little bit nervous about the manpower we have going into the wallpaper as I've already needed to put in a couple of late nights. :( I think the Artwork team should be empowered to change direction if needed. The point of having a wallpaper release in the Beta was to encourage more feedback. If the team doesn't feel it can act on that feedback, it would be silly to bother in the first place! :-) As far as the schedule goes, I see it as an organic process that we try to improve and tune with each release. If it doesn't work perfectly this release, we will try to capture the problems and resolve them with a better attempt for the F12 schedule. Mo is right, we do need people to commit to helping with any changes proposed. It's great to have ideas coming in, and we should simply ask that the changes be backed up by a person agreeing to execute them, or that the Artwork team agree to make a decision by a specific date on which changes they'll accept and work on. How do you guys feel about a simple task list on the wiki by which artists could claim a task? That might make it easier to see what's left to do, and make progress. If all the work looks like it will land on one artist, maybe because people don't know what they can step up to do, it's far less likely to get done -- or at least, it will be very painful for that person when it does! It seems like we've had quite a number of people come by the list recently offering to learn and help, and this is a good occasion for them to do so. It's relatively easy to take some existing art from a background and make, say, a single banner with specific dimensions. (At least, it seems easy to me, even though I'm not an artist!) :-) If each person taking a task (1) feels responsible for getting that task done, (2) knows exactly what is needed to finish it, and (3) knows when it's due, I suspect we have enough talented artists here to get everything done. It's *so* much easier for ten people to put in two hours of work each, than for two people to put in ten hours each. And as others have said before, it's also easier for experienced folks to fine-tune a particular task, than to do the whole thing from scratch. And asking for help is always encouraged here! It looks like there is a very complete set of instructions already on the Artwork team's wiki area, which would help form the task list (along with the bullet list of different splashes and banners): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview Do team members think we can get all the other art done in time for the Fedora 11 Preview Release? That might mean a tight schedule, since I think all the freeze stuff for F11 Preview happens around April 14, a little less than a month from now. But I think it can be done if we can put a plan in place quickly, first for deciding and making changes to the background however the Artwork team feels is required, then tasking out the rest of the theme and getting those pieces done. The last thing on my mind is being schedule-pushy as the FPL. The Artwork team has long expressed the desire to get Artwork done sooner, so I'm just trying to bring that historical perspective. I think people are doing a great job already, and I really feel there's enough momentum to do a superb F11 Preview with full artwork. Let's make it easy for people to grab a small piece of work and own it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:30:58AM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. That's not a bad idea if the desire is to reduce the number of elements and simplify the background. Maybe losing the birds would be something to consider too. All right, I'll put in a bit of critique here, noting that overall I like the theme and the care which was put into it. I confess, I am one of those people with a messy Desktop in the computer sense. (OK, you caught me, I have a messy desk in the real-life sense too. Oh, the shame!) So I tend to hit problems with icons and/or their labels clashing with backgrounds easily. But I wouldn't put myself out there as an average user, because I suspect many people keep an emptier Desktop than I do. I found that in my use case, the following elements tend to make it more difficult to discern text labels on icons: (1) birds, (2) the particular coloration and brightness of the sky, especially around the middle third of the picture. Interestingly, toward the bottom third of the picture, even though that is where some people complain about clutter, this problem goes away completely -- probably because the picture's quite darker there, so the white text of the icon labels shows up easier. To be fair, this could also indicate that I need more or better shadowing on icon text, so that it shows up well even on a medium-bright background area. That's not the Artwork team's problem AFAICT, but I don't know an easy way of adjusting it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpgiIoxnGElS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:38:44PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Actually, from what I could see release-over-release, this time around the Artwork team has done its best job ever of meeting a self-imposed schedule, including having a theme iterated during the early part of the cycle, producing promo Alpha and Beta banners for the web site, soliciting backgrounds, and getting one included in the Beta release. I think this team's doing a spectacular job. Nevertheless, more hands are good, and I encourage you to get involved as much as you can! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpTRQPZwXnYU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Just an FYI concerning the beta artwork
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 01:13:43PM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: 2009/3/14 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: Hm... I don't see a valid reasoning there. I'm delibrately not trying to make a statement as to validity of the reasoning about the objection. In fact, I might even question the idea that reasoning is ever a part of an emotional response. I'm pointing this out only because this is the first instance that I know of where this sort of emotional response on the grounds of cultural sensitivity has arisen in the work your group is doing. I certainly don't have the same emotional response. My emotion response is more of fear of the ominous,wheeling, flock of birds in the image. I haven't brought it up as a point of contention because I'm fully self-aware that most people don't perceive birds as the danger to humanity that they really areyet. Such pastoral views of flocking birds in the sky only serves to lessen our natural fear of these foul, foul descendent of the dinosaurs...disarming us of our ability to react when they final swoop down en masse to get us. But I digress... OK, thanks for that digression, Tippi. ;-) We can't necessarily reason with irrational emotional responses. You might have to talk more about what that structure is meant to convey emotionally...if its worth talking about at all. I'm not sure it is -- but the conveyance as far as I know is simply to acknowledge the heritage of the Leonidas name. Any other inference is probably a stretch. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpeTTMU5N29T.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Banners and splashes
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 04:42:23PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: I've tried it here on my F10 box and the package works perfectly. (And frankly, I think it's quite lovely, although I have a bit of a problem making out my blue-themed folder icons against the color of the sky sometimes.) Has anyone had a chance to announce this to whatever population we want to test the backgrounds and report back? Do they know what kind of feedback the Artwork team is looking for? I definitely mentioned it on FWN and also Martin blogged (so it was pushed to planet) Excellent! It would probably be good to also indicate what kind of feedback the Artwork team wants. Any specifics you're interested in, other than I like it or I don't like it? OTHER ART: According to the F11 schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks ...splashes and banners are something the Artwork team creates from now until about March 27, two weeks or so from tomorrow. Then they're packaged by March 31, so that they can be tagged and included in the Preview Release. The listed splashes, headers and other art scheduled for March 27 includes: * GNOME splash screen Lately we didn't bother with this as it is disabled by default, but I believe in the end someone made an image. * KDE splash screen For the last releases the guys from the KDE got involved with that and a splash was produced. * GNOME screensaver lock dialog Another one disabled by default. Even more, it is on its way to obsolence, it will be replaced by the GDM screen (however, I can't say when, the Desktop guys are not very talkative about that). Right, this can probably be discontinued when that happens. I think there's a few Desktop guys lurking here, maybe they can let us know their plans * Fullscreen splash for syslinux * Square splash for anaconda and firstboot * Anaconda horizontal header * Firstboot vertical header * Fullscreen grub splash Usually those are derived from the wallpaper, so we will probably address them after the wallpaper is in a final state. Does this mean the dates, as they stand, should be changed to a later target? There's no reason for anyone like me to bother the team if you guys really don't want to deal with these pieces until later in the process. If that's the case, setting a date would be a big help. Do you guys want to have these completed for absolute code freeze, for the Preview Release? Since we are still stuck with GRUB 1.x. the GRUB splash will be probably the hardest, needing an original (symplified) graphic. I'm betting the cloudy sky (with or without birds, depending on the number of color gradients needed) would work OK... * Plymouth bootup/loading graphics This area is poorly documented (is very new) but we have an expert in Charlie Brej. My personal option would be to use the default background (the temple landscape picture) and a progress bar. Charlie, maybe you could drop some wisdom here and/or on the wiki. That would give more people a chance to learn how the stunning Solar theme was produced for Plymouth. Never fails to get a whistle or a cool! out of someone who's seen it... /me envisions birds flying, or clouds drifting over landscape... * kdm login screen theme Agian, the KDE guys will most likely take the initiative here. Do we need anyone to notify them? John and I can help, if so. Is the listed date of March 27 enough time to produce these various derivations? Is doable but we should not let it for the last few days. Sure. Head starts are good, which is why I wanted to bring it up, so as not to surprise anyone late in the process! :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp3Ki0OnUckT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 Beta release banner
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 04:43:57AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Paolo Leoni wrote: Hi there, we are near to F11 Beta release, so I've two candidates for the beta release banner: http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-beta-banner_1.png http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-beta-banner_1.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-beta-banner_2.png http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-beta-banner_2.svg The first is a non-themed version, while the second uses a part of Mo's wallpaper mockup. Like the second one, way better. Text is more readable and it matches the beta release wallpaper. Thank you, for working on this. I like it very much too! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp97q5R3bSXb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Banners and splashes
Hi all you fabulous Artists and Designers, I wanted to ask about two things, backgrounds and other art. BACKGROUNDS: I noticed that Martin produced a package of the leonidas-backgrounds, and F10 users can test it now if they want: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/leonidas-backgrounds/10.92.1/2.fc11/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-10.92.1-2.fc11.noarch.rpm I've tried it here on my F10 box and the package works perfectly. (And frankly, I think it's quite lovely, although I have a bit of a problem making out my blue-themed folder icons against the color of the sky sometimes.) Has anyone had a chance to announce this to whatever population we want to test the backgrounds and report back? Do they know what kind of feedback the Artwork team is looking for? OTHER ART: According to the F11 schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks ...splashes and banners are something the Artwork team creates from now until about March 27, two weeks or so from tomorrow. Then they're packaged by March 31, so that they can be tagged and included in the Preview Release. The listed splashes, headers and other art scheduled for March 27 includes: * GNOME splash screen * KDE splash screen * Fullscreen splash for syslinux * GNOME screensaver lock dialog * Square splash for anaconda and firstboot * Anaconda horizontal header * Firstboot vertical header * Fullscreen grub splash * Plymouth bootup/loading graphics * kdm login screen theme Is the listed date of March 27 enough time to produce these various derivations? * * * BTW, the item of creating the Beta Website Banner is listed as to be completed by March 20, and given the previous thread on this list, it looks like that's well underway. Superb! I'm looking forward to another incredibly beautiful release thanks to the talent and hard work you guys apply to each new Fedora. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgphihcQypvEU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: theme song
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:11:21PM +0530, Subodh wrote: Hello, I am not sure if this is the right place, but just to start with I am putting my query here. Do we have something like a theme song for fedora? Either lyrics or a composition? I am a composer/arranger and have my own home studio setup. I can work things out if some collaborates for the lyrics and ideas. so I think song in general is a great idea. I'm a musician myself and an appreciator of songwriters. I also have pretty strong feelings that there will probably never be a truly great song about software. But a song about something that Fedora holds dear seems like a perfectly awesome idea to me. What about a song about friendship and community? And if Greg DeKoenigsberg suggests a workers' anthem, please ignore him. ;-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpC2dlIxzlqT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Design Server Request - beaker project
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 01:41:05PM -0700, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: Hi, - Original Message From: James Laska jla...@redhat.com The fedora-art team has done some great designs in recent past ([2] and [3]) for fedora-qa ... is there anyone who can help build a logo for the beaker project? Attached is a sketch Paul came up with. ...for which I apologize. ;-) One funny thing I just noticed about the sketch: The stirring utensil magically disappears beneath the rim of the beaker, while the liquid inside is clearly visible. Realism FAIL! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp2xz4JU0gW6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 03:05:48PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: The hard reality is an wallpaper like this will be inevitably compared with the default Windows XP wallpaper, which had set a standard in people's minds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_XP_SP3.png Interesting that you mention this, because looking at a couple of the beta releases for Windows 7, I notice they've gone for a wallpaper that looks *really* close to the Fedora 9 default wallpaper: http://www.askvg.com/download-windows-7-official-wallpaper-shown-at-pdc-2008/ http://www.askvg.com/download-windows-7-beta-build-6936-default-desktop-wallpaper/ I suppose one could take the position that if Microsoft does it, it's bad, but we should recognize they have a lot of money to spend on design, and they've come up with something very close to what you, the Fedora Artwork team, did in the past year with free tools and open processes. That speaks volumes for this team in my opinion. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp0GzBnVfuDN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:35:52PM -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com When is the decision going to be made about which one goes in the Beta? This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? WANT. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpdR7YE0ZnV1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Wallpaper for Beta?
With all the energy on the list, I thought it would be an opportune time to mention that there is an open issue of wallpaper. There are several options on the table from different contributors. A few are ineligible for specific reasons but there are plenty that are interesting and quite good. When is the decision going to be made about which one goes in the Beta? We are a little past that deadline if the wallpaper is to get into the Beta spin as was originally intended, but it *can* still happen. I suggest deciding on a candidate by tomorrow. If the design isn't perfect there is still time to tweak it as we move toward the Preview Release and the other collateral designs are made. Once that's done, are there multiple people who can work on creating the various other banners and art from that design? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpu6eWIsLjmb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Picture Book Mockup
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:46:12PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:18 -0600, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:07:38PM -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Setting in critic mode: Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph? Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph? Title Chapter 2: Friends is hard to read due to similar hue. Enlighten it might help. This is a *mockup*. I'm also extremely picky about em dashes, and we'll make sure we use those correctly in the finished book. :D Heh, are em dashes actually used in English? In Czech we use only hyphens, - (like in screen-cast), and en dashes, – (when separating sentences, denoting ranges, etc.)... Em dashes, —, seem over too long (to me) ;-) Although, for some reason my evolution displays both the en dash and em dash with same length (which is wrong)... In English typography, I've seen em dashes used far more often than not to separate clauses of interjection -- like this one! -- but whereas ASCII text generally represents an em dash as three hyphens (---), most people type it as two or (shudder) one. My mutt client displays your hyphen, en dash, and emdash above as three different lengths as intended. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpm9mHpBrMJ5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:12:43AM -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/8d/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup4_mo.png Whoops, hit enter before I was done, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup5_mo.png I like the placement and general balance... Also, keeping any detail objects on the right side seems to support the setup for most Fedora desktop environments. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpzeVpQkF1dW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help out with the f11 wallpaper?
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:54:20AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: BTW, how did you generate your gallery? It looks great. I used a less known gem: gThumb and Create Index Image (under it's Tools menu) and tweaked a bit the parameters (background color, font face and size). Holy moley, I never knew this function was there. Thanks Nicu! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpz93ATMVM0I.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:59:47AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: 2009/2/23 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com Could you provide us the source image information (url, license, etc) for the images you've got here? I do like the landscape but it seems maybe like it's not wide enough horizontally? I downloaded the helmet image here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg and for the landscape, this is the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thermopylae_ancient_coastline_large.jpg For both, licenses seems to be ok. Paolo, if they're not already there, please put these details in the page with the artwork so we can reference it later. Thanks very much! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp2d7TxKEX4A.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:32:09AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Paolo Leoni wrote: This is a very simple mockup for F11 wallpaper (day/night version): http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup.jpg http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup.jpg It's a simple modification of the world chart posted on the wiki. It could be usable? issue #1: the day version is too enlighted for the desktop. Just decrease the saturation and it may be better. Duh! Sometime I should use more words... I think is preferable to have a more desaturated look, this is supposed to be *old paper*, with the colors washed-down (desaturated). Also, with a lot of lines and heavy contrast, the wallpaper gets more confusing to my eyes when I'm trying to find icons on my desktop. I think that was something that you (Nicu) were trying to address when you mentioned desaturation, right? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpyyjbzozySI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Background
Hi team, I was looking at the F11 Artwork page on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork ...and wondering about (1) the group's progress in converging on a background, and (2) what needs to happen, and when, for the background to land in the F11 Beta. The F11 Beta freeze arrives on March 10th, and it would be good to have a background ready somewhat before that so there's time to tweak it before the freeze. As I understand it, once the desktop background is decided, that will form the basis for the other theme pieces for the Preview Release. Thoughts, comments? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpUyiv1qGq9t.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Context Free Art - Programmatic Art Generator in Fedora
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:19:05AM -0800, MáirÃn Duffy wrote: Hi folks, My friend James Bowes pointed this nifty FOSS tool out to me, and it's even already in Fedora: http://www.contextfreeart.org/index.html He designed this with it :) : http://jbowes.fedorapeople.org/squid.png There are also some really beautiful examples of work made with it on the main site, for example: http://www.contextfreeart.org/gallery/view.php?id=35 To try it out in Fedora you can install the cfdg and cfdg-fe packages. Have fun! :) Did this package help you generate the light gray backdrops for the 4 Foundations posters? Just curious... http://www.contextfreeart.org/gallery/view.php?id=1338 -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpQHw3HPny70.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Context Free Art - Programmatic Art Generator in Fedora
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 10:57:02AM -0800, MáirÃn Duffy wrote: From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com Did this package help you generate the light gray backdrops for the 4 Foundations posters? Just curious... http://www.contextfreeart.org/gallery/view.php?id=1338 Nope! I wish I knew about it then! I used the Inkscape tile clones tool, which is kind of programmatic itself but can be slow at the size I was doing. To have a script to tweak and regenerate would have been awesome! Heh, OK. That wasn't meant to rub your nose in it, I just wanted to know if our awesome posters also functioned as a proof of concept. No matter, all's well that ends well. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp6zSDEfhJPx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26:17AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, In case you didn't catch it on planet Fedora, I have been running an informal survey of the desktop backgrounds folks are using (getting responses from both Fedora and GNOME community members.) I've gotten a LOT of replies, check them out: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/68292.html So far as I've been able to read through them, they seem to fit into 3 categories: - #1 stick with the default (distro default or desktop env default) or flat solid color - #2 personalized no matter what (photos they took themselves or photos of family members) or a photo of an interest hobby (racecars, bikes, hometown, etc) - #3 beautiful pictures of nature, usually with some depth So I think as we are still thinking about our approach to F11, we should think about these wallpapers that folks are actually using and try to create something that they will like having as their desktop background as much as possible. #2 would be impossible for us to do, but #3 we can most certainly do. Looking at it this way, maybe for the wallpaper we could have a beautiful landscape with maybe some Grecian elements, maybe ruins of Grecian columns or a garden stylized in a Grecian way (maybe with some sculpture) and maybe we could follow the Golden Mean in laying out the elements of the image. What do you think? I really like that we're asking users to tell us what they do with their desktop backgrounds, and using that to inform how we deliver something they'll like (and hopefully use). Great idea! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpPBozVYYMdv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 04:48:27PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: However with the Grecian columns and stuff we need to be careful of not looking ancient, as some might say, but instead looking functional, practical, etc. Yes definitely. Like if the columns are ruins, we don't want to give off the message that Fedora is in ruins or something like that. We want to highlight the positive aspects... eg rather than posing Fedora as the column, if we've got say a pretty columns-ruins landscape, pose fedora as the vines and plants and nature growing on top of the the old columns (the columns then become the establishment/proprietary software) Then it becomes more, 'Fedora - making proprietary OSes history' rather than 'Fedora is old broken crap!' :) There is the connotation of vines/kudzu as a vegetation pest rather than something more positive. I could be stretching a bit for that interpretation, though. Another idea: Atlas is a Greek mythological figure (a Titan, actually) that held up the world. Note the similarity in the way that Fedora contributes to the FOSS community when we're doing it right. Does this spur any design thoughts for anyone? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpWgPasBUR34.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: CSI artwork
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:13:58PM -0600, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:41:03AM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: Good chance to try something really different from the Design Team? I'm not even sure what CSI could be represented as if it were an actual object, instead of a document. Any ideas? Just my dumb ideas: * One person handing another a screwdriver or gear * Two people holding something up like a pair of Atlas figures, working together to support the weight * A series of blocks forming a shape, possibly just a rectangular shape; one block is still being fitted into place. There is an emblem on the shape which will be completed when the block fits in, and the emblem is a handshake between people. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgphmXs5SF47V.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Schedule
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:54:31PM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:23:51PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: John Poelstra wrote: We also said that all of the banners need to be translated. Q: does this apply to only #a and #b or does #c apply too? It depends on the particular design. At a minimum, #a will have a tagline that goes with it that needs translation. (eg right now we have Fedora 10 - Fire it up That is one item I've been wondering about, and we should note the dependency on the design.art schedule. Where do those taglines and other similar bits come from? If it's another group, we need to ensure it is on their schedule, as well as note when it arrives from that group. I believe that work has been done on the fedora-marketing-list. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp6CBaJ047rh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 Alpha - release banner
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:35:36AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: Hi there, we are almost near to F11 alpha release, so I propose to you some candidates for the alpha release banner. Since we are still in a initial session for the official F11 theme, I've used a simple image to point the birth of a new fedora version. http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-banner-alpha5.png http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-banner-alpha5.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-banner-alpha6.png http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-banner-alpha6.svg The great music of the Boss (a.k.a. Bruce Springsteen) has inspired these :-) About background image copyright: the image is a piece of a sunset photo that I've taken personally. If is necessary I'll provide the original photo. I had a constructive comment to make, but I think it might apply to more upcoming Fedora 11 work than just your banners -- which are lovely! Excuse my lack of familiarity with the precise jargon used for describing fonts and spacing: Our complementary font used for our artwork is the MgOpen Modata font, and in this font, the numeral 1 has quite a bit of space around it. That means that the number 11 as in Fedora 11 looks very oddly spaced compared to other text elements. Wherever we write 11 I'd recommend that people use the manual kerning (?) function in Inkscape to move these numerals closer together. If we can do this in a standard way, that's fine -- or if we just leave it to the eye, expecting that if it's way out of balance someone will identify that problem and tweak the design, that's fine too. I just thought it was worth mentioning as we head into the time where people are working on banners that might include 11. I now have the Good Eleven song from Schoolhouse Rock in my head! :-D -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpDNdkfJVZ47.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora-Logo in 3D
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:40:58PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi all, Second, I'm searching for the Fedora Logo in 3D, does anybody has such a artwork? I thought I saw such a work many month (years?) before done by someone of the Art Team. Something like this? http://www.isity.net/icFedora/060419/TakeTwoA1.jpg I'm not seriously looking for this, but wouldn't it be funny to have sugar placebo pills like this? Take some freedom and call me in the morning. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpSxHFOBPSl3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:35:37PM -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: Mark wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi Mark, Mark wrote: So what do you think about this? Is it worth starting to make mockups? We are going to wait until the F11 codename is decided on (in a couple of weeks or so) until we decide what to do about the theme. A few of us discussed this earlier and felt that if we all worked on the same idea rather than each person working on a different idea, then we could all work together rather than separately and come up with a more collaborative, higher-quality theme. We are worried that the codename may not be so inspirational for a theme, but even if it isn't, we can have a meeting or some kind of brainstorming session where we can reach a nice, visually pleasing theme idea together to move forward with, inspired by the codename or not. So let's wait a couple of weeks and reach a decision together, is that okay? ~m Just opinions on the theme idea regardless of the name would be fine with me. I'm also fine with your suggestion. Could you send me a PM (so i'm sure that i don't miss it) with when and where (irc probably) the brainstorming session is. We haven't scheduled it yet, still waiting on the name to be decided on. I think sometime early in January, the exact date may be on the naming wiki page Paul posted a couple of weeks ago to this list. (Sorry I don't remember it off-hand) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_11 January 10 is when we'll announce, at FUDCon Boston 2009. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpv3KvjUb6Va.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FUDCon Boston 2009 tshirt designs
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:50:36AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: María Leandro wrote: #1 +1 I join the chorus liking design 1 the best. Whichever design we settle on, OLPC has agreed to pick up the cost of FUDPub for this event. So I would like to include the following text on the back of the shirt: Sponsored in part by One Laptop per Child Can we still get that on the shirt design that's going to the printers? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpyoNGJomXlh.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FUDcon 2009 - Promo1
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 01:41:17PM -0800, Klaatu wrote: maria, once again, really cool...and this time no spelling errors! :p i wonder if it would be a good idea to add what exactly fud stands for, or do you think the primary audience of this promo would know what it means already.. but yeah, cool video! Very cool! And yes, I agree with Klaatu that a quick transformation of fedora users and developers into fud would be great, if there's a way to add it. Otherwise, wow, this is just... wow! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgplKIOYMIef1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FUDCon Boston 2009 tshirt designs
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 08:09:10PM +0100, Max Spevack wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Máirín Duffy wrote: design 1: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/17/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-1_design.png design 2: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/1/19/Artwork_T(2d)Shirt_fudcon-boston-2009-2_design.png (Wiki page is: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/T-Shirt#Boston_2009) They are both awesome, but my personal preference is #1. I love both of them too. And I don't really have a preference. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpT5azuBkWRi.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:10:41AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve that today, if it's not too late. Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. At this point, I'd feel more comfortable just including olpc and sugar in the tag list and going forward with what we have. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp3KZFN6uXsq.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:50:52PM +0100, Francesco Ugolini wrote: 2008/12/12 Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:10:41AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve that today, if it's not too late. Do resolve it today if you can. I ended up not having time to work on the mockups last night so I'll try again tonight. At this point, I'd feel more comfortable just including olpc and sugar in the tag list and going forward with what we have. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug Sorry for the silly proposal (I've just read the thread): why don't add ambassadors (I know friends could be the same, but along with developers I'll put it too). I'm not sure if the goal of those words was this, and, BTW, all the other project != developers would have the same right than ambassadors to see their name. So, feel free to say no, I think it would be reasonable. Not silly at all Francesco -- I think it's a *GREAT* idea. We could add all the following, and more if I missed someone: artists designers ambassadors translators developers writers sysadmins packagers triagers qa(I wish there was a word like qualiteers) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpNUH30s4TsW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? So, how do things look for the shirt logo at this point? Is there something we're happy enough to pursue with the printers? The only *possible* monkey wrench is whether we want to have some sort of co-branding with OLPC and SugarLabs. I'll see if I can't resolve that today, if it's not too late. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpfHgJfu4dDN.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
OLPC branding
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8767#comment:11 The referenced ticket shows how the OLPC update software (8.2.1) will be branded with the Fedora Remix logo. Our guidelines ask that people consult the Artwork team if they want to deviate from the color palette. The graphic attached to that ticket meets our guidelines otherwise, and is in the spirit of use that we're trying to promote. The colors are a match for the rest of the boot splash for OLPC and I would encourage the Artwork team to approve it. Any objections? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpEVPwxxj0Y8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:21:30AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Does anyone have suggestions for the tags for the Boston FUDcon shirt? I like the idea of showing all the things that happen at a FUDCon, such as: fedora(duh) users developers collaborate learn teach share develop use create code style design play socialize meet freedom friends features first Just a start... I would keep verbs in the infinitive or first person, such as At FUDCon, I/we _. Nouns are good too though! Is this what you were looking for? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpBY0TDyQFuf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 10:13:23PM +, Charlie Brej wrote: I wrote a little tool to create these word splat things with the idea of using the generated images as the Fudcon t-shirt designs. Example: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.png http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.svg Currently it uses the words: Fudcon fedora freedom friends features first January 2009 MIT Massachusetts USA Boston Would be good to have more words because sometimes there are patches of the same word multiple times which looks clumsy. Help appreciated. If you would like to have a go yourself then the code is here: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/wordlogo.tar.gz Run make to make it run. It generates a test.svg as an output. Wow, that's pretty cool! Any idea whether this would reproduce faithfully at the T-shirt printer? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpzOFOQeQGGH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: T-shirt logo design tool
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:51:36AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Charlie Brej wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: Example: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.png http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try3.svg Wow, that's pretty cool! Any idea whether this would reproduce faithfully at the T-shirt printer? I guess some of the smallest fonts are to small, not sure about the print, but they will be impossible to read. Maybe adding a stroke will help with this too. Yeah, I accidentally reduced all fonts by 1 which effects the small fonts the most. (now fixed) I also just one of just the fedora logo http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try4.png / http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/try4.svg Wow this is beautiful!!! Does anyone have any suggestions for the list of tags that we use? One idea we had in #fedora-art yesterday was to use the tags to not only give the basic info (january 2009, fudcon, boston, etc) but to relate the host city to the four f's of fedora... freedom (could be used for historical or current freedom-related events): boston freedom trail, boston tea party, paul revere's ride ... ? features (could be used for landmarks or cultural points of interest): big dig, zakim bridge, prudential center, museum of fine arts ... ? friends (famous people in the city or maybe from the city area?): mayor thomas menino, governor deval patrick, sen. edward kennedy, john f. kennedy ... ? first (things the city was first at, things that were invented there, etc): first public library in the US, fire truck invented, small pox vaccine invented, spring bed invented, truss-type bridge invented, stereoscopic x-rays invented ... ? What do you think of this idea? Love it, but for friends we should probably steer away from political figures and toward either historical ones or people who figure prominently in free software. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpKGG1eSpjI3.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 naming
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:31:24PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Samuele Storari wrote: I heard something about naming contest of F11, The process is *nothing* like a contest, is a gathering of name proposals from the community, which will be reduced to a short list by the Board, then checked by Red Hat's legal team and the few remaining will be put for a community vote. I think this time we as artwork team can propose some ideas to have a better integration between Release name and graphic. The proposals are open for the entire community, please submit your proposal to the naming thread (the people in charge to not read our list). [...snip...] At least one of the folks in charge does read this list, though not as thoroughly as I'd like! ;-) Anyone who wants to submit a suggestion can simply visit this wiki page and follow the instructions. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_11 Make sure you read the guidelines, because suggestions that don't meet the guidelines will be rejected. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp8T4ACh8QV7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner - text to path conversion
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 03:22:10PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:05:44PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Offtopic: no isn't Inkscape's work to complain, your word processor don't complain for a missing font, your PDF viewer don't complain, your web browser don't complain and so on. The applications try to find a matching font available. Going OT, but in the future we hope to make it possible for you to get these kinds of add-ons easily using freedesktop.org standards and PackageKit. I saw you touched this feature in an interview about F10 (in The Register I believe), but for this particular case it would need buy-in from the application developers (Inkscape here) who need to be convinced about the need and from our own desktop developers who are tryng to go away from using RPMs for font installation (something where they disagree with the fonts SIG). That's opposed to the multimedia codecs use case, where it wil probably have instant acceptance. To some extent it depends on what capabilities are developed for opening documents directly from the desktop space, too. Fonts may be a tricky subject but the overall mission should be to lessen the amount of interaction an end user has to have with packages. Package names and usage are often very non-obvious and if we can help desktop users avoid them, all the better. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpMnACq2kNof.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:21:34AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: Ricky Zhou ha scritto: Just to make sure everything will be ready for Tuesday, will we have a final version ready for adding to the site by some time on Monday? (And also, do we have a small release banner for the sidebar for when the countdown finishes?) I've uploaded on the wiki two small release banner for the sidebar: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora10-released-banner.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora10-banner-simple.png OK, great, that takes care of our sidebar banner space. Is the large banner for the main section of the page complete at this point? I seem to recall one of the screenshots needs to be shifted. I tried downloading the GIMP source myself and changing it, but unfortunately all the screenshots were combined in a layer and I couldn't do it effectively. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpGcHxpbrJwT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 02:08:25PM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: Paul W. Frields ha scritto: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:21:34AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: Ricky Zhou ha scritto: Just to make sure everything will be ready for Tuesday, will we have a final version ready for adding to the site by some time on Monday? (And also, do we have a small release banner for the sidebar for when the countdown finishes?) I've uploaded on the wiki two small release banner for the sidebar: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora10-released-banner.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora10-banner-simple.png OK, great, that takes care of our sidebar banner space. Is the large banner for the main section of the page complete at this point? I seem to recall one of the screenshots needs to be shifted. I tried downloading the GIMP source myself and changing it, but unfortunately all the screenshots were combined in a layer and I couldn't do it effectively. For your convenience, I've uploaded on my webspace a little modified version of the large banner from Mo and Jayme Hayres SVG format): http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-0day-banner.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-0day-banner.png That looks like it might be the ticket -- let's have some more approvals from better eyes than mine, and we can have it added to the site for tomorrow. Thanks Paolo! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpzoQBrCloeT.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 04:08:59PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 02:08:25PM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: For your convenience, I've uploaded on my webspace a little modified version of the large banner from Mo and Jayme Hayres SVG format): http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-0day-banner.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-0day-banner.png That looks like it might be the ticket -- let's have some more approvals from better eyes than mine, and we can have it added to the site for tomorrow. Thanks Paolo! Until we get on OK from Mo, a minor modification from me: I made the rounded corners transparent (clipped) and also moved the screenshots a few pixels: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora10-0day-banner.png http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora10-0day-banner.svg Super, thanks for those changes Nicu. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpf8WRJVrRFf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:11:45AM -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: On 2008-11-24 07:18:51 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: You should be able to use the first one without a problem. The string in the message is exactly the same as the one for Fedora 9 and therefore the translations can be re-used without a problem. I'm not sure what you mean - we used http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/banners/f9release.png for Fedora 9, if I remember correctly. Also, we have a bunch of new languages added this time around, so they would have to get this translated as well. With one day left, it's probably not enough time to expect that to be fully translated by Tuesday. Aha, I was looking at what I thought was a copy of the canonical banner, and it wasn't. Yes, no text appears in that version and therefore we should stick with the no-text version for F10. Sorry about that! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpMoIznhl5Y6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 05:21:51PM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paolo Leoni wrote: I've just uploaded banners and sources on the wiki page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/PromoBanners Good work Paolo, you did a great work with the banners for this release, I am glad to have you in the team. Yes, fantastic job! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpZMj47tZnKk.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:30:33AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's use this one for the main banner, and use the text-less banner from Paolo as the side banner. So just to make it click-easy for Ricky: Large banner: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/banners/fedora10-0day-banner.png Hi. This is my KDE version based on this official design. I'd like to use it for our Fedora KDE wiki. Maybe it can be useful for other Fedora KDE fans. http://rezza.hofyland.cz/fedora/artwork/banners/fedora10-0day-banner-kde.png http://rezza.hofyland.cz/fedora/artwork/banners/fedora10-0day-banner-kde-p.png Why has the font changed for the number 10.? If you can fix that, sounds like a great idea to me. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp0cVWt1JlhZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Malaysia, DVD label and sleeves
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 20:14 +0800, Adli Azaddin wrote: hey i'll be designing FC10 DVD label and sleeves for malaysia promo, and i'll design the fedora malaysia website too... have any guide for me? Hello Adli, please remember that if such a website is using the word Fedora in its domain name, you need special permission from Red Hat to do so. The word Fedora is a trademark and must be protected to retain its value and status worldwide. Please contact me off list and I can help you with that. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: ZOMG STICKERS!!11 Proof
Hi Gerrold, On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:45:17PM +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: Máirín and all others, just a question, they look awesome but with some I miss the content to fedora and I ask myself: If somebody sees that freedom boble, does he realize that it's fedora or is it only for insider?! Well, the nice thing about these stickers is they're *extremely* inexpensive. So we can hand out a sheet or two per person, and people can paste *both* a freedom bubble and the logo together! :-) JUst a question nothing more; but ... In my head I have a big idea for a sticker which could also be a good marketing which I want to share with you and your outstanding ideas in the past (and I'm also sure in the future). I like the phrase Fedora! Leaders not fellows Do you think you can do some art for such a *BANG* sentence? I think you mean Leaders, not followers. But I think it's important for us not to develop too many official slogans, because it dilutes our message. What is Fedora? 4 Foundations? IFV? Leaders? ZOMG stickers!!!1!!? (Just kidding about that last one.) But the *other* nice thing about these stickers is it gives people a chance to personalize them, so you can have your own special slogan and put it next to other Fedora stickers -- making it your own! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpayN6yi1yrb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Package Front Mock-up
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:03:15PM -0500, Karlie Robinson wrote: Try it now - http://on-disk.com/cms/edit/data/files//package-front-mockup.jpg Actually, I'd suggest using black for the shadow, and having it blur around the edges of the entire logo, as opposed to being diagonally offset. That way the black blur will surround the whole thing. It would probably be a good idea to have the Artwork team involved in this so that we can make sure the design follows the general principles for everything else for Fedora 10. Having a unified and consistent presentation is a very good thing for marketing purposes. What tool are you using to create this? Is it a free tool that our Artwork team can use along with source you provide? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpgt40BDz0tt.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 13:05 +0100, Hylke Bons wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paolo Leoni wrote: This is a possible release banner (big): http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-0day-banner.svg http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora10-0day-banner.png Not bad at all! For better variety, it may be a good idea to have one of those screenshots showing Anaconda (more grey, less blue) and *not* have the right and left screenshots at the same Y coordinate (move one of them a few pixels down, to look more random). Also, I would make the 10 thicker by adding a 2 or 3 px white stroke. I don't think having Anaconda in there makes sense. You probably only see the installer once anyway. Perhaps, but Nicu has a good point that there should be something to break up the color monotony. It could be a firstboot screen, for example. Or maybe one or two large windows of colorful applications, like a OOo3 pie chart and/or an art program. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 release banner
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 18:07 +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: Máirín Duffy ha scritto: Máirín Duffy wrote: Maybe let the screenshots sit on a silver/metal background with some glow/reflections? There's just too many blue suns here.. Some ideas attached. ~m Sorry if I don't have included the modifies that you have suggested, I've read your post when I've sent my last email. However, the banner with steel background and blue flames on top is great! I really liked that one too! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Logo History
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:01 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: It turns out the original pages on the creation of the Fedora logo, once located at http://capstrat.com/development/fedora/index.php, are gone. I took some time to grab what I could from archive.org and reconstruct it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/History Good work Mo! I remember there being some controversy over the design when it first came out, but now when I look at it I can't imagine our using anything else. The thought that went into the logo really helped us shape the definition of the overall Fedora brand. Thanks for capturing this vital history lesson. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Early review
I thought that Samuele and some of the other folks involved in the Solar theme might like to see some nice words from Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/11/06/fedora-10-preview-release-shines-like-a-star -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgppUsek962Ks.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Intoduction
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:09:28AM -0200, Jayme Ayres wrote: I liked much of the third art, despite being a modification of Logo and not adhere to the guideline I like a lot of styling. Even though we do need to protect the appearance of the logo, these works show a huge amount of energy and talent, and I love them! Although we might not be able to use these specific pictures in Fedora I am absolutely sure that the Artwork team would love to have your participation. :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpICTdH04TQW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 09:45 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Paul W. Frields ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other fully free software distributions. Which means what exactly? 'Unsurpassed' implies a great quantity or level of something, and I'm not sure 'user experience' is quantified in that way. (Sorry, being nitpicky.) Actually one of that word's meanings is simply to excel, which need not be related to quantity. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
the fundamental way in which Fedora prioritizes the needs of its different constituencies. Red Hat has asked that Fedora be many things, as I said earlier. One of the things Red Hat asks is that Fedora be the best community development that t platform in the OSS world, and we strive for that every day. However, Red Hat has also asked that Fedora be the incubator for the Red Hat Desktop Team. If those two requests are so incompatible with each other that only one of those goals can be achieved, that is a RED HAT problem and not a FEDORA problem, and we should take that conversation to our managers internally. In the same way that the KDE Live spin allows the KDE SIG to do justice to their favored platform, maybe the Desktop Live spin can do the same thing for the Desktop team. There are probably other questions needing resolution, like how we provide a specific user experience on that spin, while maintaining the general distribution's compatibility with other technical features contributed to Fedora by other groups, for example SELinux, virt, and so on. That wouldn't be so different from ideas like the Sugar spin, would it? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go with. Does that sound reasonable? Your wish is my command :p https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png Very nice! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:13 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go with. Does that sound reasonable? Your wish is my command :p https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png Very nice! Way to go! I think these look great. Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set of guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png (I changed the blue lozenge to the lighter Fedora blue so it would stand out on dark backgrounds better.) Super work! A couple corrections -- * Remixers are permitted to use transparency for filling the remix word where desired. Counsel specifically agreed to this. * The recommended palette should be marked as approved instead -- unfortunately we don't have the option to allow an arbitrary color choice. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:39 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 11:13 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 10:24 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: I would like to see the rounded logo done up with all these colors to make sure they don't make the 'remix' text too hard to read. If they don't that's what I recommend we go with. Does that sound reasonable? Your wish is my command :p https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color2.png Very nice! Way to go! I think these look great. Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set of guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png (I changed the blue lozenge to the lighter Fedora blue so it would stand out on dark backgrounds better.) Super work! A couple corrections -- * Remixers are permitted to use transparency for filling the remix word where desired. Counsel specifically agreed to this. In practice it doesn't actually work that well. For 9 of the 10 background colors I used (the only one it really worked for was black) you could hardly read remix. * The recommended palette should be marked as approved instead -- unfortunately we don't have the option to allow an arbitrary color choice. Oh I thought we had decided on a recommended palette and were able to give folks the option to choose other colors? So it's impossible for them to use osther colors? Not impossible for the remix lozenge (I LOVE that word!), but they would have to specifically ask. Frankly counsel is not eager to offer additional options, so we're not going to call it out if it's all the same to Artwork. We can handle requests on a case by case basis. The fedora word, of course, can only be our approved blue or white for color treatments. We should probably also have treatments for a monochromatic or grayscale situation. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 18:34 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Using this, here's my stab at an initial (albeit sparse) set of guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/29/Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png I like it, +1 The only change I can think of is putting the light background section at the top. I believe you put dark background at the top for symmetry with the red at the bottom, but I believe the white background/blue logotype will be the most used (and preferred), so is better to have it at the top. I think OLPC is waiting on us for this logo, so if I can get it to them on Saturday, that would be great -- we're trying to make it into their update build so that we can have this logo appear on a million machines in the next year. What's the verdict? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 00:34 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: I think OLPC is waiting on us for this logo, so if I can get it to them on Saturday, that would be great -- we're trying to make it into their update build so that we can have this logo appear on a million machines in the next year. What's the verdict? Is this update sufficient? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_draft_guidelines.png SUPERB! I'm going to suggest that OLPC stick with a design in Fedora Blue if possible. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:30 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: Hi Adam, Thanks for your comment. In fact the sentence has been changed back to be i686 Live CD to conform to the names in the download page of live cd. Please find the new version from the top of the list. The names on the download page should be changed, not your cover. For a while now we've needed to make those pages more accessible to non-techies, and Mo had made a very attractive new draft for that purpose: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/ I notice that her draft also includes i686 but I think that we really should be eliminating jargon as much as possible. I'll bring that up on the Websites list as a follow-on, since I didn't notice it earlier. Am I completely wrong that For Intel-compatible PCs is better for the users to whom we're handing these out? If we were to make special 64-bit covers, I'd suggest For 64-bit PCs. The number of 64-bit machines is steadily growing in the USA but the people who typically ask specifically for 64-bit don't need to be told what they have. On the other hand, the only way to accommodate people who *don't* know is to give them the standard 32-bit version, and they don't need to know the difference. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 16:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: Am I completely wrong that For Intel-compatible PCs is better for the users to whom we're handing these out? If we were to make special 64-bit covers, I'd suggest For 64-bit PCs. The number of 64-bit machines is steadily growing in the USA but the people who typically ask specifically for 64-bit don't need to be told what they have. On the other hand, the only way to accommodate people who *don't* know is to give them the standard 32-bit version, and they don't need to know the difference. Well, probably the AMD fanboys are not that happy with spelling Intel... Note: for the time being I run mostly Intel machines, but I still am an AMD fanboy at heart and understand why spelling Intel *may* be better for newbies (which newbies should be educated by someone). Good point. We can't really say just PCs either thanks to Apple's switch to Intel CPUs. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:18 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: 2008/10/16 Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good point. We can't really say just PCs either thanks to Apple's switch to Intel CPUs. May be a little nitpicky, but what's wrong with calling a machine made by Apple (regardless of whether it has a ppc, pcc64, or Intel chip) a PC? By every definition (other than Apple's marketing), it is a personal computer thereby qualifying it as a PC. You should bring this up with Apple -- or maybe TBWA\Chiat\Day -- given their recent ads which still position Macs as something different than PCs. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 10:39 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: My recommendation is this design, but let's try it with remix spelled out normally instead of with the !. https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png Added an update: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color1.png Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? Or both? :) This time I tried a single logo and a swatch for the other colors (used Agave to find fitting colors) Very nice. I'm not sure how Agave picks colors, but I've been impressed with the results on the rare occasions I've used it! Once the Artwork team is happy with and approves a logo, there are a couple more treatments that would be helpful: * for use on dark backgrounds * one or two monochromatic versions Please let me know when as soon as you can when you've approved a logo -- there's at least one party queued up to use it. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fifth draft for F10 sleeves
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 18:05 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Jon Stanley wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Jarod Wen wrote: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms or flames? :) No flame, but I think we should have only *one* URL in such big letters, be it either fp.o or fp.o/join-fedora (we can have the other in small letters, but fewer people will look at it) The big link on the sleeve should be join.fedoraproject.org -- just like on the F9 discs. In the instructions where there's a smaller font in use, it's OK to use help.fedoraproject.org I think. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: The third draft for F10 Solar CD/DVD sleeves
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:07 -0400, Jarod Wen wrote: May be a little nitpicky, but what's wrong with calling a machine made by Apple (regardless of whether it has a ppc, pcc64, or Intel chip) a PC? By every definition (other than Apple's marketing), it is a personal computer thereby qualifying it as a PC. Personally, I wish I could see on the sleeve that my mac can use it. Of course, I admitted that when I was a newbie in Linux, I was rather confused by the name of i386/586/686... Maybe a simple mark, saying 32- bit or 64-bit, will be better? Or we just mention the 64-bit CD/DVD separately but none on CD? That's what I was driving at -- we shouldn't need to point out 32-bit since it won't be helpful to most people who don't know the difference. We can call out 64-bit specifically if desired, for the exact opposite reason. I really like these, however, I'd also like to drive any potential contributors to join.fedoraproject.org on the back of the sleeve. I think that we did that with F9 to great effect. Comments, criticisms or flames? :) I noticed that in the final printable sleeves for Fedora 9 fedoraproject.org has been changed to join.fedoraproject.org. Maybe it is a good idea to follow this way, isn't it? Yes, see the separate thread on the fifth draft (:-D) for details. The big link should be join.fedoraproject.org. I don't think it's a problem if we have the help.fedoraproject.org link contained in the smaller instructions section. We just want to make sure it's *not* as noticeable as join.fp.o. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:49 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Jayme Ayres wrote: 2008/10/16 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jayme Ayres wrote: 2008/10/16 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jayme Ayres wrote: I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners with the closing tipography Fedora. I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners less fit better in tune. I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when the r and x are giving more padding? See this example. I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to fit with the logo at all. I think rounded is a much more unifying design; it fits not just with the Fedora logo font but also the MgOpen Modata font design too, and seems thematically joined with the Infinity logo and many of our other collateral designs like the FUDCon logo. I also know that while I was originally a proponent of the use of an exclamation mark '!' in the word remix to provide more cowbell, my discussions with legal folks since then indicates that might not be a wise move. If people start writing Fedora Rem!x in general text as opposed to Fedora Remix, there's the risk of brand erosion. Using the remix word without the exclamation mark doesn't involve that risk, so as much as I hate to stick my nose in here, we may have to put the kibosh on that particular design detail. :-\ Sorry I introduced that concept into the mix -- sometimes my idle ideating is too much too soon! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 artwork questions
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 18:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: [...snip...] The poster on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar - it doesn't appear to be valid English, certainly not in the header. And I'm not sure what an all branded new way of technology is. The post is not part of the release and should not be a blocker for packaging (and I agree with you, its wording can be improved - we don't have a better text from marketing). I forwarded to Marketing for some input. Also, I think the radar echoes (or whatever you want to call those concentric circles) look out of place. I think these came from the Live USB creation station. Removing them could make the art a little cleaner. It also might look cool to bring the solar body closer to the viewer -- i.e. seeing less of the sun, with less curvature, as if you were flying close the surface. This might help accent the idea that the viewer is supposed to be excited by what's coming, and it's not fully revealed yet. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 promo video (draft)
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:17 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: * I think pointing out Solar when you use a sun for the backdrop is probably unnecessary -- it's actually cooler to let the sun speak for itself as our theme. I also think that naming the theme was a bit too much, a new graphic theme would be enough. I also think it's very hard to make a short list with features to outline We have made such a list in Marketing already: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-September/msg00183.html Any marketing-type materials should probably be coordinated through Fedora Marketing to figure out actual text to use, and to make sure the message matches across the board. On the whole I think this is a neat idea -- why not have a nice little film if we have stock graphics to support it? If you have the various source files, you'll want to post them (or links to them). Is Kino in our repository? No, Kino uses certain codecs so can't be included in Fedora. It is usually installed from the just-launched repository that sould not be named :p It was an effort to make it suitable for inclusion, but in the end it was not pursued (it was too hard). So for the moment we don't have a video editor good enough - PiTiVi is not there yet. Hmm. Do we require simply FOSS-made materials, or specifically Fedora-made materials? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 15:40 -0400, Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 15:54 +, Paul W. Frields wrote: This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for approval. Yay art opinions! So, I strongly dislike what is done to the R of Remix in 13. Maybe my eyes suck, but it just looks like something went wrong when drawing the R. Overall I think I prefer the rounded 9, although I can't tell much difference between it and all the choices from Jay and Nicu, except for the (mis)spelling of remix, and well, COLORS! I'd prefer something like 9, with remix spelled correctly, and as many color options as possible. I don't suppose we could just defer to the Fedora Art team to make a decision, since we have set them up to be the authoritative voice on precisely these kinds of matters? I'd rather see Mo/Nicu/et al making the call than Jesse. Not that I don't love Jesse. ;) I'm OK with that call. I think the rounded banner definitely works best in everyone's opinion as being more thematically related to the font choices. So Artwork team, what do you say? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 artwork questions
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 14:21 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Bill Nottingham wrote: I was thinking of it for the final cut as something akin to how the name is determined, after the entries have been winnowed by the Art team as above. But I understand where you're coming from. I'll hit up the archives. How do the ideas get winnowed by the art team though if there are only typically 3-4 to choose from? See where we are coming from? Usually we come on a clear consensus. This time, a lot of folks put a lot of effort into more themes than we all have in the past. We felt the vote was the best way for our team to come to an internal consensus but by no means do we plan on relying on a vote for each feature. It's better when we come to the consensus naturally I think and we usually do. The fact that there were so many solid entries this time around is a clear indicator of how the Artwork team has really prospered over the last couple of years. (Has it been that long? Yeesh.) I really do think that part of that success is due to a pretty solid design sense shared by the team, but yet open-mindedness about new ideas that fresh hands bring on board. I was really happy to look around at several theme ideas this release and think, Wow, any of these would be really great for Fedora 10. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:33 -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 17:16 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Do we need to provide a palette of possible colors? Or is it okay to be open-ended in the usage guidelines for this mark? Or both? :) I'd say both. Give some tasteful colors as examples, but allow them to use any color they like provided that remix is clearly visible. Our palette cannot be open-ended. We can make a selection of tasteful colors, though. The fedora logo type may not change colors, but the banner surrounding the remix text may. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 promo video (draft)
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 02:15 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: A little idea about a promo video for Fedora 10: http://pleoni.altervista.org/works_files/fedora_10_promo_1.ogg Source informations: - Blue Sun animation was downloaded from SOHO main website, this is the copyright notice: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/summary/copyright.html - The song is titled musiquette and was downloaded from Jamendo, from this album: http://www.jamendo.com/it/album/1749 The software used for video editing is Kino. This was pretty nice! Some critical points: * I think pointing out Solar when you use a sun for the backdrop is probably unnecessary -- it's actually cooler to let the sun speak for itself as our theme. * The music is licensed as CC BY-NC-SA, which isn't appropriate for Fedora. Remixers need to be free to use the material commercially if they want. (Besides, I'd look for something where the performance doesn't have so many wrong notes and clams.) On the whole I think this is a neat idea -- why not have a nice little film if we have stock graphics to support it? If you have the various source files, you'll want to post them (or links to them). Is Kino in our repository? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora Remix mark
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design This is the page where I collected your contributions to a design. The time's come for me to refer the design candidates to the Board for approval. Thus far, these designs are the ones that seem to be most well-related to the existing Fedora word design and expressive of the remix idea: By Nicu and Mo: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2a/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/2a/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_mizmo_1.svg By Jay and Nicu: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/6/61/Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.png https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_secondary_logo_drafts_nicubunu_color.svg Our legal counsel has told us that concentrating on the permissive use of the mark is more effective than permissive modification of the mark. Whichever mark is selected, we'll work with Artwork to develop appropriate treatments that work in various background situations (for example, black white). Then I'll develop a page that shows the usage guidelines for this mark, similar to the one for the Fedora logo. By the way, the background for the mark, and the existing cutouts in the design such as the letter shapes in remix, can be transparent, which yields some interesting possibilities for downstream remix creators. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
