[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 11:31:07 + 
2009 ---
To be done when fontconfig support for that becomes available

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread nmailhot
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--- Additional comments from nmail...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 12:02:41 
+ 2009 ---
This is a funny argument, the mechanism was coded by the upstream fontconfig
maintainer, and lead to the creation of new fontconfig commands. He'd be very
surprised to learn he had ignored fontconfig aspects while doing so.

IIRC this is one of the bits that justified the fontconfig 2.7 major release

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 12:34:04 + 
2009 ---
Good to know as it is not very obvious from the fc27 release announcement: 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2009-June/003177.html

Looking at the new APIs it is still not clear to me: how does an app decide 
when the substitution font 
suggested by fontconfig is not good enough so it should request 
AutoFontsAndMimeInstaller to search for 
other fonts and install them? Example: Segoe is not available but Frutiger 
is. FC suggests the latter as a 
fallback. Should OOo use Frutiger or should it ask AutoFontsAndMimeInstaller 
to search the internet for 
Segoe?

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread nmailhot
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--- Additional comments from nmail...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 13:10:21 
+ 2009 ---
IIRC (I may be wrong) part of the decision for GNOME apps happens at pango-level

Now OO.o has a much heavier font use that your average app, and I wouldn't be
surprised that investigating auto-font-installer support for OO.o resulted in a
set of RFEs for the current auto-font-installer. But that will only happen if
OO.o people look at the initial implementation and identify areas that need
improvement (however even limited support at first is better than no support at 
all)

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 13:42:04 + 
2009 ---
Ok, doing it as a last level resort for glyph fallback looks like a reasonable 
first step. The resulting 
modal dialog may be annoying though e.g. when something with an invalid 
encoding is pasted 
resulting in gazillions of weird codepoints.

Regarding RFEs for this feature I already have an idea: make FC interact with 
AFAMI directly. If an app 
asks for a font with support for a specific codepoint and FC does not find a 
good answer, it should ask 
AFAMI for help. IMHO it should be configurable whether FC does this 
asynchronously, synchronously 
(using a modal) dialog or if the feature is disabled, globally or application 
specific or as part of the font 
pattern. OOo already does the right thing when the equivalent of a 
WM_FONTCHANGED comes along.

I would prefer it to be asynchronous by default. And having a patterns like 
FC_AUTOFONT_REQUIRED, 
FC_AUTOFONT_SUGGESTED, FC_AUTOFONT_MAYBE or FC_AUTOFONT_DONTCARE would help to 
distinguish important use cases such as idle formating or UI-text.

IMHO most external observers overestimate the number of OO.o people working 
on stuff like this...

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread cmc
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--- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 13:50:25 + 
2009 ---
a) resulting in gazillions of weird codepoints., yup. get it with accidental
binary goo in gnome-terminal

b) overestimate the number of OO.o people, yup, I'd hoped to pick up this
myself by F-12, I might try again to do this myself by F-13

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-15 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Oct 15 14:07:00 + 
2009 ---
 I'd hoped to pick up this myself by F-12, I might try again to do this myself 
 by F-13

Thanks! I still think you should concentrate on a FC-AFAMI interaction and 
then making sure that apps 
such OOo gets notified when they succeeded in installing new fonts. OOo will 
happily reformat then.

Having FC negotiate with AFAMI would have so many benefits... as I already said 
in #desc5 FC has the full 
picture of what is going on, what is missing etc. And as a central 
configuration entity for font-related 
questions it will better know the relationships between different fonts, where 
to get them directly, where 
to get nice substitutions. Managing the font autoinstallation from a module 
other than FC just calls for 
trouble, useless extra work, annoying modal dialogs, etc.

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-10-05 Thread tm
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--- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Mon Oct  5 08:50:44 + 
2009 ---
TM-HDU: please take over or reassign to the appropiate developer. Thanks in
advance.

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-04-06 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Mon Apr  6 10:33:49 + 
2009 ---
Fontconfig already gets asked how a font should be substituted (font 
fallback). Fontconfig also gets 
asked when codepoints are not supported by a font (glyph fallback).

Other apps also go via fontconfig, so it has a pretty good picture of what is 
going on: which fonts are 
available, which fonts are requested, which codepoints/languages need more 
support and in which font 
contexts these languages are used.

So I think the best approach would be that fontconfig makes a list of 
suggestions first. The next step is to 
either broadcast the suggestions directly to AFI or have OOo poll the 
suggestions once in a while and 
broadcast them.

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-04-03 Thread cmc
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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-04-03 Thread nmailhot
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--- Additional comments from nmail...@openoffice.org Fri Apr  3 11:23:13 
+ 2009 ---
I think that OO.o is a big enough font users the people working on font
installations would be delighted to know its exact requirements to perfect
auto-installation. If it works for OO.o it will probably work for everyone else.

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-01-15 Thread hdu
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--- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 15 09:08:40 + 
2009 ---
confirmed. I guess thats a task for framework.

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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-01-05 Thread nmailhot
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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2009-01-05 Thread cmc
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[Issue 96826] Add font autoinstallation support

2008-12-03 Thread nmailhot
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 Issue #|96826
 Summary|Add font autoinstallation support
   Component|framework
 Version|OOo 3.0
Platform|Unknown
 URL|
  OS/Version|All
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|FEATURE
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|code
 Assigned to|tm
 Reported by|nmailhot





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec  3 08:35:00 + 
2008 ---
The Linux platform is gaining an on-demand font autoinstallation framework (BSD
and Solaris will probably follow eventually).

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticFontInstallation

OpenOffice.org should be plugged into it and use it to request the fonts its
documents need. This would have a huge user impact, especially writer-side

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