Re: Call for OpenType fonts! [Was: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]]
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people using OOo probably don't have clue what features OpenType provides, mostly because they've only seen Arial and Times New Roman. So I don't expect widespread requests from the userbase... Btw, is there a way to vote for feature requests, or do we have to spam them on the forums? It appears that the voting in the individual issues has little significance at the moment. If you join the UX mailing list (it's a list, not a web forum), there are more chances that something can happen. What I believe is missing is establishing to the UX list how many of the existing/prospective OOo users are affected. Simos On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Simos Xenitellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding OpenOffice.org and OpenType support, here is a recent thread at the UX (User Experience) mailing list on features to include in OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1, http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1890 A few people mentioned OpenType support, http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1894 http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1899 The way to go with OOo and OpenType support, is to have users request it, at the appropriate forums. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]
On 14:30 Tue 22 Jul , Vasile Gaburici wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar] They say a picture is worth a thousand words. [http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gaburici/linux-fonts.png] I am sorry for my ignorance but what does the thousand-word-picture actually said? ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]
Le Mar 22 juillet 2008 15:06, Michal Nowak a écrit : On 14:30 Tue 22 Jul , Vasile Gaburici wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar] They say a picture is worth a thousand words. [http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gaburici/linux-fonts.png] I am sorry for my ignorance but what does the thousand-word-picture actually said? I guess it said that if you were willing to shell a lot of $$$, you could buy proprietary font sets that let you write the same basic latin text in lots of slightly different ways, while being unable to use any language that needed more that the 26 basic latin letters. Of course not everyone has the same priorities. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]
Le Mar 22 juillet 2008 15:50, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : Depends how international you want it! Adobe Pro fonts have many glyphs, especially the newer fonts. Comparing the number of glyphs: And the point is, if you can buy the latest version of those fonts, you don't need the workarounds for older fonts. And if you can't afford to update to the latest proprietary version, bragging about its new coverage is sort of futile. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Call for OpenType fonts! [Was: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]]
Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to add that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible. Why? Because it (finally!) includes a decent bundle of TeX (texlive), which contains XeTeX -- a version of TeX that can use advanced OpenType features directly. XeTeX is still a bit inferior to pdftex in some respects (no microtypography), but is far easier to use. Yeah, OOo should get OpenType support too, but I personally don't care much about it. FYI: Because Fedora up to release 8 kept including the obsolete tetex, which I had to patch manually many times, I skipped all Fedoras between 5 and 9! Anything in between would have been a downgrade for me after I started manually adding up to date packages to tetex. And no, I could not just add them locally because they conflicted with the bundled packages in complex ways, so the old ones had to be deleted -- so no yum update tetex for me. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Call for OpenType fonts! [Was: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]]
Le Mar 22 juillet 2008 16:16, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to add that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible. Bear in mind that OpenType can mean TTF fonts with OpenType features nowadays. Other than that, I fully agree with you, but that means recruiting new font packagers. At the rate we're going now, it's going to take many releases to process http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist let alone work on fonts not listed there. (You can easily check this rate by looking at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts_inclusion_history Since I'm reaching the limits on the number of packages I can maintain in my spare time, a realistic future rate all other things being equal should be computed by removing all the packages I've done in the past from the lists). -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Call for OpenType fonts! [Was: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]]
Regarding OpenOffice.org and OpenType support, here is a recent thread at the UX (User Experience) mailing list on features to include in OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1, http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1890 A few people mentioned OpenType support, http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1894 http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1899 The way to go with OOo and OpenType support, is to have users request it, at the appropriate forums. Simos On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we are debating the state of Fedora fonts, I'd also like to add that Fedora should ship as many OpenType fonts as possible. Why? Because it (finally!) includes a decent bundle of TeX (texlive), which contains XeTeX -- a version of TeX that can use advanced OpenType features directly. XeTeX is still a bit inferior to pdftex in some respects (no microtypography), but is far easier to use. Yeah, OOo should get OpenType support too, but I personally don't care much about it. FYI: Because Fedora up to release 8 kept including the obsolete tetex, which I had to patch manually many times, I skipped all Fedoras between 5 and 9! Anything in between would have been a downgrade for me after I started manually adding up to date packages to tetex. And no, I could not just add them locally because they conflicted with the bundled packages in complex ways, so the old ones had to be deleted -- so no yum update tetex for me. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Call for OpenType fonts! [Was: Re: Fwd: [Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]]
Most people using OOo probably don't have clue what features OpenType provides, mostly because they've only seen Arial and Times New Roman. So I don't expect widespread requests from the userbase... Btw, is there a way to vote for feature requests, or do we have to spam them on the forums? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Simos Xenitellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding OpenOffice.org and OpenType support, here is a recent thread at the UX (User Experience) mailing list on features to include in OpenOffice.org Writer 3.1, http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1890 A few people mentioned OpenType support, http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1894 http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discussmsgNo=1899 The way to go with OOo and OpenType support, is to have users request it, at the appropriate forums. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
