[fedora-india] Re: queries regarding freemedia
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Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 22:04 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/06/2009 09:20 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: I know that blue dart provides such service. The Australian high commission in Delhi has such a contract with them. The amount of couriers we are going to be sending is lower than them and it would end up costing a bomb shell. I would gladly outsource the couriering/media replication etc to a separate agency if they charge reasonable rates and would take care of it entirely. I haven't found one. Rahul That's sad to hear. But as I had mentioned, I hadn't worked out the practicality of the idea. Guess we'll need to think up more ideas. -- regards, Ankur ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [fedora-india] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 07/06/2009 09:20 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: I know that blue dart provides such service. The Australian high commission in Delhi has such a contract with them. The amount of couriers we are going to be sending is lower than them and it would end up costing a bomb shell. I would gladly outsource the couriering/media replication etc to a separate agency if they charge reasonable rates and would take care of it entirely. I haven't found one. In most of the discussions around FreeMedia, the thread eventually boils down to there are more requests than there are volunteers to service those requests and, the costs of courier are exponentially high. How about looking at the problem in terms of folks are requesting for media (note the absence of the the phrase free of cost) and, we need to think up a way to route the media to these folks ? Or, in other words, how many routes can we think up that would get the media to them ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM, susmit shannigrahithinklinux@gmail.com wrote: The easiest option will be to keep a field like: * I want to pay the postage. * I don't want to pay the postage. That's one route. I am sure that there are more than one way to get to a solution for this problem. A query I had was - is it possible to have a geographical representation of the FreeMedia requests ? Perhaps we could try and get some LocalContacts going as close as possible. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
That's one route. I am sure that there are more than one way to get to a solution for this problem. A query I had was - is it possible to have a geographical representation of the FreeMedia requests ? Technically, kids play. ;) But can we log the browser data without consent from user/requester? Perhaps we could try and get some LocalContacts going as close as possible. But we have a *lot* of LocalContacts, but does that fulfill any of the freemedia requests? I have not seen any. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. = ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit = ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:09 AM, susmit shannigrahithinklinux@gmail.com wrote: But we have a *lot* of LocalContacts, but does that fulfill any of the freemedia requests? I have not seen any. Very true. Local contacts can serve requests which originate from within a rang of a few kilometres. Anything beyond that boils down to the same postage issue. Even the next city is out of reach for local contacts. People are not willing to travel and collect the media themselves. It is much easier for them to obtain a pirated Windows CD. One alternative is to use VPP [1] . If we can keep some option as Susmit suggested, I want to pay or I don't want to pay and if free media is not free as in free beer, then we can send the media through VPP and collect the money from India Post once the media is delivered. I am not sure though what will happen if the delivery is refused. According to India Post site, it will be returned to the sender and the sender needs to pay any outstanding dues, not sure what outstanding dues mean but that can be found out easily. Once a freemedia request is accepted, the acceptor can mail the requester and take his confirmation before mailing the disc through VPP. In this way the chances of denial during delivery will be reduced a lot. The requester will have to pay approximately Rs 50 (cost of DVD + postage). [1] http://www.indiapost.gov.in/Netscape/ValuePayableArticles.html -- Regards Rangeen Basu Roy Chowdhury Fedora Ambassador sherry...@gmail.com ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:09 AM, susmit shannigrahithinklinux@gmail.com wrote: That's one route. I am sure that there are more than one way to get to a solution for this problem. A query I had was - is it possible to have a geographical representation of the FreeMedia requests ? Technically, kids play. ;) But can we log the browser data without consent from user/requester? Which brings up a somewhat different problem - without having the means to have a geographical view of the requests, it would be difficult to formulate an action. Looking at the places which generate the most number of requests would allow us to figure out how best to triage. There are two ways at looking at a solution - [1] the ultimate and perfect solution and, [2] the optimal solution that allows the highest number of people to receive the media they requested. Perhaps we could try and get some LocalContacts going as close as possible. But we have a *lot* of LocalContacts, but does that fulfill any of the freemedia requests? I have not seen any. Precisely. So, why can't the Local Contacts be active ? Should we be asking them this question ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Rangeen Basusherry...@gmail.com wrote: Very true. Local contacts can serve requests which originate from within a rang of a few kilometres. Anything beyond that boils down to the same postage issue. Even the next city is out of reach for local contacts. People are not willing to travel and collect the media themselves. It is much easier for them to obtain a pirated Windows CD. I tend to think that I have had enough talk about Windows CD (pirated is a singularly unfit term to use for software) or, other Linux distributions. From what I recall, the LocalContacts was an experiment to ensure the following: [1] local outreach happens [2] a locally available support system is incubated I am yet to see a positive outcome of either goals. Which is why I had the query about whether it is possible for the local contact to get a geographic profile of requests. If we do not have enough local contacts to be present across every city we are receiving requests from, our question should be why not and, we should start thinking about what can be done. If we have existing LocalContacts not providing media at-cost, our questions should be why can't they and, we should start a conversation about how they could be doing this. One alternative is to use VPP [1] . As much as I like everyone to receive a media. I guess that just bulk producing media to continue shipments is not going to be a good thing. There should be ways and means to outreach. For example, there are UserGroups a plenty - can we figure out a way to tie into them as well as have them accountable for shipping the media. I know PuneLUG does an awesomely good job of doing so, how about other UGs ? The UGs at institutes for example - does their charter allow them to ship media at-cost ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:36 +0530, Rangeen Basu wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:09 AM, susmit shannigrahithinklinux@gmail.com wrote: But we have a *lot* of LocalContacts, but does that fulfill any of the freemedia requests? I have not seen any. Very true. Local contacts can serve requests which originate from within a rang of a few kilometres. Anything beyond that boils down to the same postage issue. Even the next city is out of reach for local contacts. People are not willing to travel and collect the media themselves. It is much easier for them to obtain a pirated Windows CD. One alternative is to use VPP [1] . If we can keep some option as Susmit suggested, I want to pay or I don't want to pay and if free media is not free as in free beer, then we can send the media through VPP and collect the money from India Post once the media is delivered. I am not sure though what will happen if the delivery is refused. According to India Post site, it will be returned to the sender and the sender needs to pay any outstanding dues, not sure what outstanding dues mean but that can be found out easily. Once a freemedia request is accepted, the acceptor can mail the requester and take his confirmation before mailing the disc through VPP. In this way the chances of denial during delivery will be reduced a lot. The requester will have to pay approximately Rs 50 (cost of DVD + postage). [1] http://www.indiapost.gov.in/Netscape/ValuePayableArticles.html hi, This is a good suggestion, but I think we'll end up having a lot of refusals :| . Rahul said that the number of media requests we service is comparitively small. I'd like to know approximately how much this is: @Rahul, what is to max number of free media requests that can be serviced from official funds? @others, how many requests have you serviced by *mail (free media or otherwise). Since mailing media from anywhere to anywhere costs 25 rs, all media being sent from one free media center (only one) will be the addition of all the above counts. I'm hoping the number will be large enough to outsource the couriering/media replication etc to a separate agency if they charge reasonable rates and would take care of it entirely -- regards, Ankur ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:48 +0530, sankarshan wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Rangeen Basusherry...@gmail.com wrote: Very true. Local contacts can serve requests which originate from within a rang of a few kilometres. Anything beyond that boils down to the same postage issue. Even the next city is out of reach for local contacts. People are not willing to travel and collect the media themselves. It is much easier for them to obtain a pirated Windows CD. I tend to think that I have had enough talk about Windows CD (pirated is a singularly unfit term to use for software) or, other Linux distributions. From what I recall, the LocalContacts was an experiment to ensure the following: [1] local outreach happens [2] a locally available support system is incubated I am yet to see a positive outcome of either goals. Which is why I had the query about whether it is possible for the local contact to get a geographic profile of requests. If we do not have enough local contacts to be present across every city we are receiving requests from, our question should be why not This is because everyone that requests a media does not turn into a local contact. The media is not following the receiver becomes donor scheme that we want it to. and, we should start thinking about what can be done. If we have existing LocalContacts not providing media at-cost, our questions should be why can't they and, we should start a conversation about how they could be doing this. Local contacts are usually students who have a fixed pocket money. You can do the math :) One alternative is to use VPP [1] . As much as I like everyone to receive a media. I guess that just bulk producing media to continue shipments is not going to be a good thing. There should be ways and means to outreach. For example, there are UserGroups a plenty - can we figure out a way to tie into them as well as have them accountable for shipping the media. I know PuneLUG does an awesomely good job of doing so, how about other UGs ? The UGs at institutes for example - does their charter allow them to ship media at-cost ? As Rangeen mentions in his reply, UGs are merely students. Again , same equation. Another variable that messes this up is that Fedora isn't the only distribution around. Since they are Linux UGs and not Fedora UGs, getting people to distribute fedora dvds is difficult. They all support their different distributions and fundamentally want the same thing we do, for them. There's a hefty discussion as to which distro we are going to use in the install fest. Its not always Fedora. A query: Are all the local contacts members of the free media list, rather, do they all check to see if there are requests that they can service or is this done by somebody (who assigns such media requests to local contacts)?? -- regards, Ankur ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Ankur Sinhasanjay.an...@gmail.com wrote: This is because everyone that requests a media does not turn into a local contact. The media is not following the receiver becomes donor scheme that we want it to. We never did visualize the receiver becomes donor way of paying it forward. The idea was to de-lineate the LocalContacts from the free FreeMedia aspect. Which in plain terms means that the LCs should be able to project that they are charging for the media. Local contacts are usually students who have a fixed pocket money. You can do the math :) So, do I take it that the students will not want to set up a system whereby they can charge for media and, keep a margin for themselves ? That's a paradox really. I would have thought that given the volume of demand and scarcity of supply, it should have been a reasonably nice opportunity. As Rangeen mentions in his reply, UGs are merely students. Again , same equation. Another variable that messes this up is that Fedora isn't the only distribution around. Since they are Linux UGs and not Fedora UGs, getting people to distribute fedora dvds is difficult. They all support their different distributions and fundamentally want the same thing we do, for them. There's a hefty discussion as to which distro we are going to use in the install fest. Its not always Fedora. Let me rephrase the question (assuming that neither Rangeen nor you did get the drift) - can UGs actually be ready to set up a system whereby they charge for media when requested and, keep the margin in the UG account ? For example, http://plug.org.in/software.php - is this model difficult to replicate across other UGs and, especially institute UGs ? A query: Are all the local contacts members of the free media list, rather, do they all check to see if there are requests that they can service or is this done by somebody (who assigns such media requests to local contacts)?? I don't have the answer to that off-hand, but I can check around. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Rangeen Basusherry...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM, sankarshanfoss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Rangeen Basusherry...@gmail.com wrote: As much as I like everyone to receive a media. I guess that just bulk producing media to continue shipments is not going to be a good thing. Extremely sorry if my thoughts were not clear but I wasn't tlaking about bulk producing media rather I was talking about a way freemedia contributors can send media to the requesters. Normally freemedia contributors would buy media , burn them and pot them. I would be nice if this cost could e borne by the requesters, if not in full then at least a part of it. If there is a general consensus in this regard then the freemedia contributors can start using this method. It might sound heretic, but here's what I see happening - we already provide Freedom as a feature :) giving away the media for free (ie. no-cost) is not helping us make much headway. Freedom and free-of-cost are not getting appreciated and, we seem to be ending up with more freeloading than we can handle. The budget is finite (and, it is minute) so, we simply cannot go on pushing money into the game. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
Fwd:Re: [Fedora-India] Queries regarding the Free media project in India
With Love B.A p Raman Original message From:sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com Date: 08 July 09 11:21:08Subject:Re: [FedoraIndia] Queries regarding the Free media project in IndiaTo: fedorain...@redhat.comon Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Rangeen Basu wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM, sankarshan wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Rangeen Basu wrote: As much as I like everyone to receive a media. I guess that just bulk producing media to continue shipments is not going to be a good thing. Extremely sorry if my thoughts were not clear but I wasn't tlaking about bulk producing media rather I was talking about a way freemedia contributors can send media to the requesters. Normally freemedia contributors would buy media , burn them and pot them. I would be nice if this cost could e borne by the requesters, if not in full then at least a part of it. If there is a general consensus in this regard then the freemedia contributors can sta rt using this method.It might sound heretic, but here's what I see happening we already provide Freedom as a feature :) giving away the media for free (ie. nocost) is not helping us make much headway. Freedom and freeofcost are not getting appreciated and, we seem to be ending up with more freeloading than we can handle. The budget is finite (and, it is minute) so, we simply cannot go on pushing money into the game. http://www.gutenberg.net Fine literature digitally republished http://www.plos.org Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org Flexible copyright for creative work Fedoraindia mailing list fedorain...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedoraindia ___ Fedora-india mailing list Fedora-india@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india
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