Re: ati drivers f12
Fedora has never included fglrx (a.k.a. Catalyst), but it has usually been available in 3rd party repositories, like RPM Fusion non-free. AFAIK recent fglrx/Catalyst versions do not support any of the X1200 cards anymore. Fedora 12's default driver should have hw opengl support and other goodies for it, out of the box. On Jan 7, 2010 2:33 PM, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I have Dell laptop with ati radeon X1200 Series. With f8, there was an flgrx driver which seems to no mere exists with f12? Am I right, or did I miss something? Thanks for answering. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktF084ACgkQdE6C2dhV2JWjywCeMdN1T1CN1QJDzCbXMi7/EO2k NkAAoMj4ksZ047tLmcYd7bremP2F45X1 =1DxX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
I use whatever Fedora uses when it is run in a Qemu/KVM virtual machine. If I recall correctly, this driver has not yet gained KVM capabilities. I wonder why KMS support has been so slow to appear for the simplest devices. 2009/12/23, steven bellens bellensste...@gmail.com: 2009/12/23 Roger are...@bigpond.com: On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu, which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards. Steven I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Does GRUB 0.97 support ext4 filesystems?
2009/12/13 Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) space.time.unive...@gmail.com: As per topic. The Grub in Fedora 12 can read and boot a kernel from an ext4 partition. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to start with simple SDL programming?
2009/11/16, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca: having never done any SDL programming before (so be gentle), what would i need to do to get started in terms of loading framebuffer support for my first program? currently, on this laptop, i have perfectly serviceable video with: $ lsmod | grep radeon radeon509536 2 ttm42256 1 radeon drm_kms_helper 25456 1 radeon drm 172288 5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper radeonfb 75128 0 fb_ddc 2464 1 radeonfb i2c_algo_bit6068 2 radeon,radeonfb i2c_core 28608 8 radeon,drm,radeonfb,fb_ddc,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_dev,videodev,i2c_piix4 $ i also have a radeonfb loadable module which i'm assuming i'm going to need. or am i? there's certainly enough simple SDL examples out there to get started, i just want to make sure i have the underlying functionality in place for my first sample program to run. thoughts? or am i going about this the wrong way? As far as I know, at least the basic SDL graphics stuff should work just fine anywhere you can expect to get a normal graphical program running. Basic OpenGL stuff is also doable with just a plain vesa video driver, but of course it'll be quite slow unless you have hardware acceleration. I don't think you need the radeonfb driver for anything SDL related. I think the SDL framebuffer usually refers to the pixels inside the window that SDL creates for you. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to start with simple SDL programming?
2009/11/16, Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru: Not actually response to OP, but I also have some interest in this tread, especially in SDL, OpenGL, glub, etc. programming. What instruments are available for me in Fedora (F 11 currently)? Fedora includes the mesa graphics library, which is a free implementation of OpenGL. By itself, the OpenGL library doesn't help you get an OpenGL rendering context, but there are other libraries which are helpful for that. I'm also very new to the OpenGL stuff, but I've use SDL to do that. The SDL reference documentation includes examples on doing that. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the official way to get a flash player plugin installed for Firefox?
2009/9/11 Howard Wilkinson how...@cohtech.com: Can anybody point me at a repository that has an RPM for the flash player plugin for Firefox (FC11)? And any gotchas I should be aware of? Adobe's flash player download page has the YUM package. It installs such a repository for you. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Partitioning tools and ext4?
2009/8/12 Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com: Does anyone know which partitioning tools will play nice with ext4 in F11? eg fdisk, parted, qtparted etc Fdisk at least is filesystem agnostic. I've used it without problems for creating partitions that I have formatted to ext4. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
2009/8/4 gil...@altern.org: I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. I suppose the Nouveau driver recognizes ATI cards but what if you want 3D? Nouveau is just for Nvidia hardware. The rough equivalent for ATI devices is the radeon driver. I found this for x86_64: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/repoview kmod-fglrx-2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64.html but it's for an old kernel and an old version of Fedora. RPM Fusion nonfree doesn't currently ship the proprietary Catalyst/fglrx driver for Fedora 11, because it is incompatible with Linux 2.6.29 and newer, and F11 uses a kernel based on the 2.6.29 series. So if you want to use this driver, the only Fedora option is really Fedora 10, until AMD updates the driver to support a newer Linux. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? I use the radeon driver provided by Fedora. Currently it has no hardware 3D acceleration features, but there's support for 2D exa and xv acceleration, so the driver works just fine for basic use. For older ATI hardware (R500 generation and older), there's even 3D support. The non-free Catalyst driver supports distributions, not kernels, and Fedora is not in their list of supported distributions. Fedora, on the other hand, has nothing to do with the proprietary drivers from neither AMD nor Nvidia, and thus won't pick an older kernel just to support them. Sometimes Catalyst seems to work on Fedora, but quite often Fedora has something too new for it, and it fails to work. Due to this, I think that the free drivers are the only viable long-term option for use in Fedora. Fortunately, AMD has released specifications that help create free drivers for the new ATI hardware, and there's work ongoing to get radeon driver provide 3D acceleration even for the newest devices. It seems that the development repos have some 3D stuff already working, but the work hasn't yet landed to stable releases of the graphics stack components. Still, this looks very promising. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: x86_64 packages depends on i586.
2009/7/12, David brusefamel...@gmail.com: Would you please name some very modern day applications that are written for the windows platform that will run in a Linux current version of WINE? That will run under the currently available WINE in Fedora 11. Names and versions. _Real_ applications. The ones that ordinary 'users' want. Not the geeky ones that 'Linux geeks' want. I am serious here. Really. The names are...? For me, - Spotify And a quite long list of games, including - the IL-2 Sturmovik series - the Homeworld series - Trainz - Areena 5 - Diablo II - Command Conquer (might be close to a DOS game, but it's still win32) - Sim City 4 - Age of Mythology - Rollercoaster tycoon - and many more I consider games to be a real use case. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Re Fedora 11 Support for ATI HD3450 radianhd card
2009/6/26 Leslie Satenstein lsatenst...@yahoo.com: This is a 512 meg card that worked just fine with propriatory drivers for Fedora 10. I am now at the latest kernel, (as of June 25th, ...*191) and I would like to be able to have compiz and that card working. The proprietary Catalyst driver for RadeonHD cards doesn't yet support Linux 2.6.29, so it's quite hard to make it work on Fedora 11. AFAIK, AMD hasn't stated when support for Linux 2.6.29 or newer is going to get included in the driver. The free driver included in Fedora has support for your card, but it currently doesn't yet provide 3D acceleration for it, which makes running Compiz on top of it kind of impossible. Compiz is used to provide a quick selection of an open window from all the open windows on the current desktop. If you really need Compiz, you'd maybe want to put off upgrading to Fedora 11 until there are 3D-capable drivers that you can use with F11 and your graphics hardware. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running 2.6.27 on F11 instead of 2.6.29
2009/6/8 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com: 2D acceleration is good enough for me. I don't even run compiz. But the open source drivers can't even boot to runlevel 5 for my hardware, let alone a working desktop. I had to do a text install to get F10 on this box. I got a working gui only after I got the fglrx stuff from RPMFusion installed from runlevel 3. However I have to admit the last time I tried the open source drivers was early this year (around February-March). Have they changed enough to warrant another try? The radeon driver has seen a lot of improvements in the past monhs. I'd recommend trying at least with a F11 livecd (they are installable, too). You graphics hardware is at least supposed to be supported by the radeon driver, as the other R700 generation cards are. My RadeonHD 3650 works fine in Fedora 11. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Graphics card recommendation?
2009/6/2 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: There are cheap models in both Nvidia's and AMD/Ati's product ranges. But don't buy NVidia! Proprietary drivers only cause problems. 3. Works under Fedora-10, if possible as is. I'd go with a AMD/Ati card due to AMD's effort to bring quality open source drivers to the community. Currently new RadeonHD cards will work quite nicely, Not really, because as you say... but especially on Fedora 10 there is little hardware acceleration offered. ... so why are you recommending them? There's in fact no OpenGL support for Radeon HD cards yet in the drivers shipped with Fedora and there's no definite time frame when it'll be available. (The DRI upstream project claims an ETA of H1/2009 for first working snapshots, but said first half is almost over and I have yet to see anything usable.) In addition, most Radeon HD cards are expensive, he's asking for something cheap. The right choice is to pick one of the older ATI models (up to X1950), see: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon All except the r100 (Radeon 7000/VE) series have texturing, clipping and lighting (TCL) support. Also note that the cited Asus K8V-MX motherboard has an AGP port and no PCI-Express ports, so the right choice is an AGP card, not a PCI-Express card. A Radeon 9250 might end up being the best choice, it's not the most powerful graphics card out there, but it's cheap, it does have a TCL engine and 3D acceleration just works. Kevin Kofler I recommended new AMD/Ati graphics cards, because their open source drivers are very likely to have OpenGL support equal to the older Radeons, and in the meantime, there's the option of using the proprietary driver. A R500 generation Radeon would also suffice for the OP's needs, but at least here they are quite hard to find. Newer cards are usually also either faster or less watt hungry. A used R500 generation card certainly would be a strong contender here, especially since the OP is looking for an AGP card. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Graphics card recommendation?
2009/6/1 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net: I'm looking for a graphics card satisfying the following criteria: 1. Cheap There are cheap models in both Nvidia's and AMD/Ati's product ranges. 2. TL capability I'm not sure, but probably almost all graphics cards currently available will have this, and be able to run Sims 2. I'd ask the shop salesperson if you can test the card. 3. Works under Fedora-10, if possible as is. I'd go with a AMD/Ati card due to AMD's effort to bring quality open source drivers to the community. Currently new RadeonHD cards will work quite nicely, but especially on Fedora 10 there is little hardware acceleration offered. At least for my Radeon HD3650, Fedora 11 provides some 2D hardware acceleration, and 3D OpenGL acceleration is also in the works. With Nvidia cards, you will be able to get pixels to the screen and probably get the correct resolution for your screen, but AFAIK, especially open source 3D acceleration is much less complete for Nvidia cards than for Amd/Ati or Intel devices, due to Nvidia refusing to release any specifications that would help the community to build open source drivers for themselves. For both Nvidia and AMD/Ati, there is also an official closed source driver available. Nvidia's one is often considered to be better of these. If 3D performance on Fedora is important to you right now, Nvidia may be the best choice. Your choice depends a lot on what you want from your card on Fedora. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
2009/5/31 jdow j...@earthlink.net: You'd think if Linux and Fedora were so hot and wonderful there would be a system wide audio service that actually worked from consoles as well as from X. I need both to work to make my setup function correctly. So I am stuck, crippled. That does not seem to be a problem in Windows with multiple sessions as with Windows Server editions. While not usually necessary, Pulseaudio can be run as a system-wide service. http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/SystemWideInstance I don't know if the instructions work on Fedora (The example is for Debian), but hopefully someone more informed can enlighten us on that. I also don't know if the vt sessions also start pulseaudio if it isn't running. At least I have had audio working nice when using a vt. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
2009/5/30 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net: Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The pulseaudio server usually runs in the user's desktop session. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...
2009/5/28 Andras Simon sza...@gmail.com: On 5/28/09, Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com wrote: Andras Simon wrote: On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil. This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think). [...] So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone. You must be joking. You will probably find that the people who want to get rid of pulseaudio are the vocal minority. For the rest of us, we don't complain because it works perfectly fine for us. You may or may not be right; unless you have numbers, it's really a question of faith. But that was not the question here. PA works for the majority is a very different (and possibly true) statement from PA works for everyone, which is obviously false, and Most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil which is worse. It's of course hard to find reliable numbers anywhere... maybe Smolt could be put to fetch some, though (It already reports if SELinux is enabled, for example). For what it's worth, I've used pulseaudio in Fedora on at least five computers of various ages (built roughly 2000-2008), none of which have had any major trouble with pulseaudio. I quite like pulseaudio actually... Good for you! I like it, too! :-) -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel-2.6.29.1-30 doesn't boot
2009/4/16 Dan my.account...@ntlworld.com: Just updated the kernel about an hour ago. Fedora 10 (x86) Dell GX240 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF When booting it gets as far as starting anacron and then I just get a black screen with keyboard and mouse frozen. Dmesg and boot log offer no hints. Anyone come across this or have any suggestions? After installing the same kernel from updates-testing along with all the other 'testing updates, I have run into a similar issue. First, I noticed that unlike with 2.6.27, KMS is now enabled on my hardware. However, booting seemed to get stuck in the same place as on your machine. After getting stuck, only the ACPI event from the power button seemed to do anything meaningful (The system shut down cleanly, though without any output to the screen). After adding the nomodeset word to the kernel boot parameters, the system acts as it used to. No KMS, no getting stuck at the end of boot. Try doing the same if you suspect it has anything to do with KMS. The hardware where this happens is an IBM Thinkpad T41, with the following graphics card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 (KDE 4.0) seems like such a long time ago... F10 (KDE 4.2.1) rocks !
2009/4/15 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com: Is it just me or does it seem like eons ago that we were running F9, stuck with a partially working KDE 4.0, longing for KDE 3.5.x ? Now there is no way I would ever consider going back to KDE 3.5. I can't believe how good KDE 4.2.1 is. I don't think I've ever had a better working window manager. (I really want to say OS there as that is true as well...) F10/KDE 4.2.1 is rock solid and fully functional for me. There are a few little things that could be improved, like a GUI interface for the synaptic touch pad on my laptop and better web page rendering in Konqueror, but other than that, its totally beautiful. What a joy it is to use F10/KDE 4.2.1 ! And it seems it will only get better... KDE 4.2.2, using Qt4.5 is expected to be released into stable next week. And F11 has been frozen ! The goodness never stops ! The initial release of KDE4.0 was one heck of a blow to my day to day work habits. Those were darn dark days. I thought they were never going to end. Now the sun is out and shining brightly with only clear skies and gentle breezes in the forecast. We've arrived ! I am one happy Fedora user. Keep up the good work. Nice to hear that it is working well for other people, too. I'd also like to give my thanks to the Fedora KDE maintainers. Ever since Fedora 9 was released with KDE 4.0.x, I have considered Fedora's KDE 4 implementation the best there is available. Of course there were problems, especially with the 4.0 series, but now that we have the well working and feature rich KDE 4.2, backported to stable releases, I think the trouble has really paid off. It seems probable that the current situation wouldn't be as good as it is now if Fedora hadn't adopted KDE 4.0 as early as it did. Including KDE 4.0 in Fedora 9 is one of the most visible Fedora decisions for me. It has encouraged me to use and discover KDE 4, as well as ensured that I could do that on Fedora and not some other distribution. Thanks, all the people who have made this possible. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Should generic-logos' system-logo-white.png be a smiling hot dog with arms and legs?
2009/4/15 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams ivazquez...@gmail.com: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 20:54 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: A smiling face (see /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/emotes) or the Computer icon in the default icon set would be good alternatives. What about the Fedora Remix mark? I think was some effort to get the remix logos packaged similarly to the current fedora-logos and generic-logos, but afaik they aren't in Rawhide yet. The Fedora Remix mark would probably suit my use perfectly, but I still think that even generic-logos should have good logos in it, too. Of course, it can be argued that the hot dog is a good logo and it would be very nice to have it show up on every boot. :-) -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Suspend fails using fglrx on F10
2009/4/5 William Murray bill.mur...@stfc.ac.uk: Hello all, I have an old Dell D610 (R300) which was doing what I wanted (films, openarena, tv-out, suspend) with Fedora 10 until fglrx 9.2 (or was it 9.1?) arrived. Anyway 9.3 didn't help. Now suspend fails. Black screen if you try. The log file http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16312# after reboot, thinks it succeeded. Does anyone have it working? Do I have to unload fglrx manually? Thanks for any clues - its a major hassle for me. Bill While I can't help with debugging the situtation, I'd recommend switching to the free drivers, because 1) They are free software 2) They are really supported in Fedora 3) They should work on your hardware out-of-the-box 4) The next fgrlx release from AMD is going to drop support for R300-based Radeon cards. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: the new KDE 4.2 (or so)
2009/4/5 Stanisław T. Findeisen sf181...@students.mimuw.edu.pl: Unfortunately, the new one (4.2 or so) is *so heavy*, *so buggy* and so *unusable at all* that I am trying to find an alternative. It looks as if someone thought that simple, fast and stable things are bad. :-/ What do you think about it? I think it is very usable. I have used the KDE 4 series daily for about a year, and in my opinion, it was very good already last fall when they released KDE 4.1. KDE 4.0 has some clear shortcomings, but even it was certainly better than unusable at all. I used to use it daily, too, and it wasn't nearly as hard as some people often seem to claim. I actually think that KDE 4.0 was already much nicer than the KDE 3 series. (I used to use Gnome before the KDE 4.0 release). Now that there have been many very significant improvements in KDE since 4.0, I have hard time understanding why some people are so keenly calling it completely unusable. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default
2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do this? Other than that you don't like GDM? It's ugly. I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login managers have some options which GDM doesn't. I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default
2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do this? Other than that you don't like GDM? It's ugly. I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login managers have some options which GDM doesn't. I wouldn't want to use KDM if I happened to use Gnome. It would look out of place and add tons of completely unnecessary dependencies. Seems like that rationale only holds water against non Gnome things. I'd guess there aren't currently KDE alternatives to most of the system-config-* tools, which are based on GTK+. KDE software is used where possible in the KDE spins. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Trouble with Add/remove soft ware
2009/2/18 RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA rkbabu.kopp...@gmail.com: When I am trying to install new softawre using Add/Remove software, I am getting No Network Connection Available message. But network is available and i am able to browse net. Do you have NetworkManager running? Does it see that you are online? -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is KDE dead - did Gnome win?
Hi 2008/12/21 Mail Lists li...@sapience.com: I am a long time KDE user - in part for similar reasons to Linus - it was configurable, flexible and let me set things up the way I wanted - easily and simply. It had a very nice configuration manager. Gnome by contrast was rigid, inflexible and to configure it - the bits it allowed you to - you needed in part to learn about its registry which warned you that the registry editor may corrupt things in bad ways - use at your risk. Gnome was undergoing rapid changes - metacity went through a lot before it was stable .. kde all the while was pretty stable. I have used the Gnome 2.* series for a couple of years, and I find most of your bad points regarding it at least biased, others completely false. However, that's a bit off-topic to this thread, so I'd rather not discuss them here unnecessarily. That was the way things used to be. Now KDE is harder to configure, not as flexible and is difficult if not impossible to set up the way I like things (task manager showing 1 icon per console or per firefox, the workspace chooser in the middle, the ability to click and save a session etc etc). I haven't found KDE 4 any harder to configure than the KDE 3 series, though I can find the things I want to configure a lot better than before due to the cleaned-up and better organised configuration tool. At least the taskbar is a lot more configurable in KDE 4.2 than in the current KDE 4.1. I didn't understand the part about workspace chooser, though. So what I am seeing is some of the KDE users I know are slowly giving up and moving back to gnome - its the default windowing manager/environment on fedora and ubuntu and seems more mature and stable than KDE 4 - and since as far as configurability goes, KDE has little advantage to offer at this time. Perhaps the next version, or the one after that will bring back the advantages. Maybe by 4.2 or 4.3 or 4.4 or... 5.0 .. Gnome is nowadays (mostly) very stable and mature, and it works well for millions of people. It is also easy to use and has sane default settings which usually require little or even no tweaking. It's a great choice for a default desktop environment. However, I have lately found Gnome a bit dull and boring, and have instead started using KDE 4, which is getting tons of new developments and opening new possibilities. To top it off, it also looks very good. (Subject for debate! :-) So seeking guidance from the path others are choosing: (1) Are the fedora KDE users moving back to gnome ? ... is KDE dead or alive ? I have never seen KDE more alive than today. I wondered the same question a couple of years earlier, when KDE 3 seemed to progress nowhere and KDE 4 was still mostly mockups and speculation. (2) Are there fedora Gnome users moving to KDE ? It is after all very similar in its function now ... and does not use spatial mode by default (;-). When I started using GNU/Linux, I used to hop between KDE, Gnome and other alternatives a lot, eventually settling on Gnome because it just felt a lot better designed and polished. Now that KDE 4 is making great progress, however, I just had to check it out and start using it, even with its current little problems. I miss the spatial file manager from Gnome, but I can manage to do what I want to, even without it :-) -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Query
2008/11/28 Dr. Basavraj Kadalage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Which of this?? Hello I'd suggest this one: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-10-i686-Live.torrent It is a 32-bit livecd with the GNOME desktop. Works on 64-bit CPU's, too. By the way, try to avoid posting HTML messages in the future. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
2008/10/21 Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop, ala KDE3.x ? You can, but someone has to create the functionality before it can be used. In the meantime, why can't you just use the folderview widget? If you make it big enough, it is functionally very close to the old desktop. The KDE developers have the desktop already working very well, though certainly not all the features from KDE 3 series are in. Some of them probably never will be, but I can't see why they'd have to be. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
2008/10/21 Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do we have to go over all this yet again? The whole topic has been done to death on this list several times. In a nutshell: if you're using Fedora you're a *TESTER*. You have plenty of other distros to choose from if that doesn't suit you. Seriously. Just remember that the stability of those other distros is due in large part to the testing that the Fedora community (i.e. you and me and the rest of us) does on bleeding-edge stuff. I wouldn't probably say that the users are primarily testers, but getting to use new stuff sooner than the users of some other distros is certainly one aspect of Fedora. Another important factor is the reluctancy to include a lot of backwards-compatibility stuff, like older versions of certain libraries, for example. If the fast-paced and living nature of Fedora doesn't suit, it's certainly wise to consider using a more conservative distribution. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
2008/10/7 kwhiskerz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, then you need the codecs. Go to www.mplayerhq.hu and grab the essential codecs tarball. Unpack it, as root, in /usr/lib/codecs. There is some indication that you will require xine-lib-devel for xine to be able to make use of these mplayer codecs (this might be available from fedora, otherwise livna). I'd recommend against bypassing package management. And also against installation of binary-only codecs (Isn't the tarball essentially the infamous w32codes package?). Especially when there is very little content that can't be decoded just with the open source decoders from livna.org. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kaffeine codecs
2008/10/7 kwhiskerz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: =?UTF-8?Q?Joonas_Saraj=C3=A4rvi?= wrote: I'd recommend against bypassing package management. And also against installation of binary-only codecs (Isn't the tarball essentially the infamous w32codes package?). Especially when there is very little content that can't be decoded just with the open source decoders from livna.org. Interesting. I seem to recall having tried that and NOT being able to access some multimedia file, but I can no longer say for certain. I will try in Fedora 11, I guess, as I already have my setup for Fedora 10. It would be better if you were right, of course, as it is one less hassle to deal with. I remember when I first starter using GNU/Linux in about 2004, that it wasn't that simple to play WMV files, for example. Most of the other video formats worked fine, though. The solution was to find and install the w32codecs package for Debian, which wasn't included in any official repositories. This worked, but I didn't think it was good as a long term solution. At some point I found out that most video files, including Wmv, could easily be played even without the w32codecs package. I think there may still be some formats that aren't supported by open source decoders, but at least for me they have been very rare. Even if the codecs are not required for xine, as a xine nonfree package is supplied by livna, what about mplayer? These codecs are actually intended for mplayer and there is no livna mplayer nonfree package that I ever recall having seen. Mplayer itself is not included at all in Fedora, so it probably just doesn't have any -nonfree suffix in the livna package name. I haven't done any hacks, just installed it, and for what I can tell by quick testing, it seems very able to play most of the video formats. So, why are these codecs infamous? I have been using them for years and have had very few multimedia complaints, compared to all of the laments I have read accompanying every new release of Fedora and the alleged lack of multimedia support. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK W32codecs are: - Binary-only - Non-redistributable (would otherwise be available in some easier-to-find repositories) - CPU architecture dependent - Proprietary I much prefer using free software that I can easily install from a well-known package repository. But well, I don't really know if w32codecs still offer something the easier solutions don't. I just know that I haven't needed any decoders besides those in Livna, for years. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How is KDE4 supposed to be used ?
2008/10/5 Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arthur Pemberton pemboa at gmail.com writes: What exactly are you trying to do that you can't do? If you plug in a USBkey will an icon pop up on the desktop in KDE4? It won't but that doesn't prevent anyone from using USB storage devices. Dolphin shows the stick in the left panel and the new device notifier in the panel will also offer you a shortcut to the device. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.1.2 released... next new feature release will be Jan 09... F8 implications.
2008/10/3 Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In other words, F10, when it ships in October, is going to have the same KDE functionality that F9 has now, ie it is missing a lot of commonly needed desktop functionality. An increase in KDE4 functionality won't occur until the KDE 4.2.0 release in January, if there isn't a schedule slip. I might just as well say that KDE 3 is still missing a lot of commonly needed desktop functionality, yet we used to have it in Fedora for many years anyway ;-) For me, the KDE 4 series has mostly worked fine, especially since KDE 4.1. I may be wrong, but I'd guess the decision to push KDE 4.1 into Fedora 9 months after F9's release was a relatively unusual one. Hadn't that been done, we would be getting an upgrade from the 4.0 series to 4.1.2, which I think would have been a very dramatic improvement. Now that the KDE SIG has worked very hard to spoil us with 4.1 in F9, we are going to be really disappointed when we realize that F10 is actually going to have the same version of KDE. There will be some improvements though, like more applications ported to KDE 4. Kdepim is one of the most significant of those, as well as Amarok 2 (which is still in beta). I'm sorry, but I just don't understand what KDE should offer in order to please some of the more demanding users. There will be at least three different main menu alternatives, one of which is very close to the one in KDE 3, and Krunner is also a very nice, additional way to start programs. There is a desktop icon implementation that is, in my opinion, one of the nicest ones available. There are two good file managers which even work and integrate together. There is Plasma, which provides us with a good-looking and modular system to manage and control our desktops. The panels may be a bit rough in the edges, but they usually work just fine and they already offer a lot of functionality that is not available elsewhere. The only problem I see in KDE 4 is the slight bugginess, but that's what the developers are working on with these maintenance releases. Support for F8 is going to cease in December. I plan to continue to run F8 until KDE 4.2.1 is released. Nobody is stopping you, but I'd recommend running a distribution that is still being actively maintained. I think CentOS 5 would have you supported for at least five years from now, and it has KDE 3.5. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KDE 4.1: Whew ! That is more like it ! Folderview and panel questions...
2008/9/10 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) How do I install application icons in the panel ? I would like an icon for Konqueror, Evolution, Dolphin, etc. I think it used to be in Add Widgets or something like that. Where is it now ? I don't know if the panel fully supports this yet. I've put my most used applications to the Favourites tab in the main K menu. 2) How do I resize the Desktop folder view ? I click the resize icon in the taskbar that appears on the side. If I try long enough I can get the folderview to move. But I can't seem to resize it. What am I doing wrong ? - Make sure your widgets aren't locked - Point the folderview applet with your mouse. A sidebar should appear next to the applet. - Drag the resize button in the sidebar. It looks and acts a little weird, but you'll get the idea when you try it a few times. 3) Is there a way to make the folder view to take up the whole desktop, for when I want a traditional look ? I have heard this is possible even in KDE 4.1, but not yet fully complete. It takes some extra work and disables the desktop wallpaper. Better support for this is coming in the future versions of KDE. Excuse my ignorance but I am unclear how the whole folder view / new desktop paradigm is supposed to work. My desktop used to be littered with file and folder icons. What is it supposed to have now, a bunch of folder views ? You can just use a single folderview like you would use a traditional desktop with icons. Or you can organise your stuff into multiple folderviews. For example, I have put my desktop application launchers to their own folderview applet, so they don't get lost between the everchanging heap of file icons. You can also choose to not use desktop icons at all. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: USB stick
2008/8/19 Xavier Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi list, I recently installed Fedora 8 in my computer and when starts I'm getting a message that says: hub 1-0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1. My Fedora installations on my main desktop computer have always done this since at least Fedora Core 6, depending a bit on which devices I have connected. I don't have any USB related problems, though, so I'd guess it is just a minor warning, and probably not the source of your usb media problems. Then, when desktop is fully up I can't mount the USB stick (doesn't mount automatically when I insert it into the port). Seems a bad installation or maybe a bug. Any suggestions? Could you post the output of dmesg after plugging in the USB stick? Someone else may also have some other useful debugging commands for this. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
2008/8/10 Russell Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A newbie would likely either stick with the OSS drivers, (assuming they get at least 1024x768) or they would Google it, or they would give up. That last option is to me what's inexcusable. We (and by we I mean the community) shouldn't be marketing things to newbies so that they attempt to install it, spend a week trying to get something working, then give up and install windows again, with a permanent bad taste in their mouth regarding linux. Say what you want about Gentoo - at least it makes no pretenses. Also, I personally think that Fedora should have an explicit warning against use by computer newbies (ie. people not interested in fiddling with their install at all) -- this is a separate topic, but I fee that Fedora's FOSS idealism (which I like) currently stands in the way of ease of use due to he behavior of most hardware manufactures. But then we have stuff like NetworkManager, which seems to be in place solely to make Fedora easier to use by newbies - and in the process screwing people who actually *do* know what they're doing and just having stuff like that get in the way. Why is it so difficult to turn pulseaudio off? Why did NetworkManager keep restarting itself after I shut it down - even to the point of *shutting off the services*? Why was SElinux introduced in such a halfassed way that my default behavior on any new fedora install was to shut it off? Why was KDE 4 introduced when it was not ready for primetime? (I really dislike it, I would have rather stuck with 3.5 and had 4.0 as an option - it wouldn't have been all that much more difficult to do a side by side and a way to select between them. And I was a KDE developer!) Are you aware of Fedora Project's objectives [1]? The first core principle is that the project is about the rapid progress of Free, Open Source software and content. That includes adopting new software early and assisting in its development. All the problematic software you mentioned are great examples of this. They are or were new and maybe had some problems. They also introduced some great functinonality that didn't exist in earlier solutions. I have found that Fedora rarely provides software that is completely unusable, but at times there are some small regressions. When the community uses the software, it gradually gains a better understanding of the new software, its advantages and its limitations. The problems may frustrate some users, but I am sure that many would feel at least equally frustrated if Pulseaudio or NetworkManager were taken from them, for example. Software is seldom perfect, so there will always be some who would rather keep using the old solution, because it happens to suit their needs better and it's what they are used to. Why the old solution isn't always easily available? I think it isn't usually by design, but often due to lack of manpower and the desire to rapidly embrace new technology. Fedora's priorities are with the progressive development, and sometimes old technologies are dropped entirely to make room and developers available for new ones. Fedora is for a user who is interested in rapid progress or free software. It is always in a state of change, even between the stable versions. If you explicitly want a system that rarely changes, some other distribution might suit you a lot better than Fedora. I think Fedora's current role in the free software community is a very important one. It may not always be the easiest to use and keep using due to the continuous change and the desire to strongly focus on free software, but it is constantly exploring the limits of what can be achieved with free software. Sometimes a new design may require further use to get polished better, but for some users this is exactly why they choose Fedora. It seems like I'm being hard on you guys. OK, I am. But it's just because I see what Fedora was and could still be, and instead I'm sitting here fighting with it because it's done in such an unpolished and schizophrenic manner. References: 1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
2008/8/9 Jesus Jr M Salvo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On F9, the NetworkManager applet makes you ADD the wireless network MANUALLY. There are Wired, Wireless, Mobile Broadband, VPN, DSL tabs. On each of those tabs, you have Add, Edit, and Delete buttons. They don't show you the available wireless networks that it detects, but you have to add them yourself, specify the SSID, etc. At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an SSID. Easy and powerful. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
2008/8/9 Beartooth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:37:15 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:14 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an SSID. Easy and powerful. Likewise, here with 9 and using Gnome. I wonder a couple of things: Whether the original poster has tried both right clicking and left clicking on the network manager icon. And whether they're trying to use access points that aren't broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete waste of time). I have to be missing something here. Why do the wireless settings on my router allow me a separate choice whether to broadcast SSID, if one that isn't doing it is useless?? It doesn't make the access point useless, but it unnecessarily complicates the life of the users of the AP, and doesn't protect against malicious users. When the station sends anything, it can be detected anyway. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How to view You Tube videos using Free Software? Read on...
2008/8/4 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing I didn't notice was something saying *how* does it play those proprietary content? Has it jammed in some naughty decoders under the hood? Is it really going to be any better at playing risky content? I think Miro uses the free Xine library to view content. Many of the decoder are possibly patent-encumbered, but they are licensed under a free software licenses and available in Livna, unlike the proprietary Adobe browser plugin. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kde-4.1 coming soon to f9/updates-testing
2008/7/25 Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Todd Zullinger tmz at pobox.com writes: Perhaps something like this would work? yum --enablerepo updates-testing groupupdate 'KDE (K Desktop Environment)' Most likely not. The comps groups don't include libraries, and those should be upgraded too. Kevin Kofler Wouldn't these be upgraded due to dependencies? -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
2008/7/18 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why are the KDE developers so proud of their work ? So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop. How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ? I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is there a way to do this without using Dolphin ? I hate the collars that appear around the file and folder icons. Can they be turned off ? Thanks I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Its not a KDE4.0 bashing session... was: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
2008/7/18 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:50 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. a) I didn't mean to start a KDE4.0 bashing session. I am not asking for a commentary on it. Its installed on my computer and I suspect I am not using it to its fullest potential and I want to. How ? I really think the desktop icon implementation in KDE 4.0 is close to unusable, and I thus disabled them completely. I Instead use the desktop to display a beautiful wallpaper, that I can even decorate with a few pictures (the picture frame plasmoid) and a big clock. The desktop icons are... interesting, but not really useful. At least I can now enjoy the actuall desktop wallpaper and not the usual mess I get when I am too lazy to keep my files organized elsewhere than the desktop. I think the optimal use of the KDE 4.0 desktop space is to use it for anything else besides icons. b) I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. Do you mean you turned off the collars so that they look like the icons did in KDE 3.5.9 ? How ? I don't know how to get rid of the collars. Fortunately, the folderview applet in KDE 4.1 doesn't have them around icons. The frame around the applet itself is probably dependent on the plasma theme that is being used. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10?
Hi I'm not a developer, but would like to comment a bit. 2008/6/14 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5 in F10, plus an upgrade path from F8 to F10 that preserves KDE 3.5 configurations? I think this is unlikely. Are you willing to do the work needed to maintain all the KDE 3 packages? But this is just me guessing, maybe there are actually people interested in doing what you are suggesting. 2008/6/14 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: KDE 4.0 is incomplete and not suitable for most users. KDE 4.1 will be incomplete and not suitable for most users. Software is rarely complete, but I find even KDE 4.0 very usable, though far from perfect. I use it daily on my laptop, doing all the same things that I usually do on computers. My desktop still has Fedora 8 and Gnome, but it will get Fedora 9 with KDE 4 at some point. 2008/6/14 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The KDE devels are debating whether KDE 4.2 will be usable. The pro-plasma crowd argue that it is theoretically possible to implement a desktop by KDE 4.2, but that everyone should change to using the folderview and forget about real desktops. What has being forced to have the $HOME/Desktop files as icons on the background have to do with real desktops? Why is it better to have that than just be able to set the desktop to behave that way if one actually wants it? The new system even allows you to just select a specific region of the desktop for file icons, so you can some other stuff somewhere else. Or whatever you want. 2008/6/14 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Probably control center will be fixed by KDE 4.2. It's debatable whether Dolphin will ever have the usability that KDE 3.5 Konqueror had, but if it does it won't be until KDE 4.2 at the earliest. I find Dolphin to be actually much better for file management than any Konqueror version I have ever tried. It's probably just a matter of preference. 2008/6/14 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: F9 already includes a usable KMenu to replace the KDE 4.0 joke, although the usable KMenu is not the default. I think the new menu is great. I usually don't want to browser for the application I am looking for in nested menus. The new menu lets me just type a few letters and have me launch the program instantly, of use the favorites feature. The new menu certainly isn't a joke, it's just different. You can use the old style menu if you want. 2008/6/14 Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not a KDE developer but I do have users that need to get work done and they are not interested in a religious conversion to plasmoids. After reading a lot of KDE developer discussions my best guess is that KDE 4.3 is the earliest possibility for most KDE users, but no guarantees. There is nothing religious about the plasmoids. The KDE devs were just tired of maintaining the old crufty KDE 3 desktop pieces and wanted to create a new, more flexible system. I wrote this to note that there are also users who like the new KDE 4 desktop, and that the work that is being put into it is appreciated a lot. I'd guess KDE 4 will never work exactly like KDE 3, which seems to be the way you want it to work. Maybe the KDE 3 desktop will be gone from Fedora in six months. The KDE 3 libraries will probably stay a little longer. If you really want to keep using the old KDE, I'd suggest using CentOS or Debian. Both of them still have a few years of supported packages for KDE 3. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Networkmanager and zeroconf
2008/6/8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, it seems that avahi daemon running. Do you also have the port open for it? Fedora 9's default iptables configurations seems more strict than Fedora 8's. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Installing Fedora-9 from Live CD - silent update
If this normally occurs, it seems to me that it could cause problems, since someone might easily re-boot while the installation was only half-say through, leaving something of a mess. I think the PackageKit-Gnome's system tray icon shows what the package management system is currently doing. You can even click on it and see the queue of tasks to be done. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
