Re: mailing list losing mail?

2010-01-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/08/2010 08:41 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
 Mike Wright wrote:
 Hi all,

 This list is getting more messed up by the day.

 Several weeks ago mail started lagging 10-25 minutes.  Now mail is
 disappearing.

 Did the post explaining why this is happening (mail server move) get
 lost, or did you just not read / understand it?
 
 Read the message explaining in painful detail how/why and what you might
 have to do to make your mail filters allow mail form the list.
 

 Actually the one thing missing from the painful details was the list of
outbound MX servers for the new list so people can whitelist thos
instead of the hormelX.redhat ones.

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Re: mailing list losing mail?

2010-01-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/08/2010 09:55 PM, g wrote:
 Mail Lists wrote:
 
  Actually the one thing missing from the painful details was the list of
 outbound MX servers for the new list so people can whitelist thos
 instead of the hormelX.redhat ones.
 
 in post;
 
 } From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com
 } Subject: IMPORTANT: Mailing list migration this weekend
 } Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:15:42 -0500
 
 there is a notation at end where ??infinite wisdom?? was applied;
 
 } [1] http://jstanley.fedorapeople.org/mlmigration.pdf
 
 which is a *pdf* file of name changes.
 
 tho it would have been nicer if it was sent out in an email,
 then all could do a drag and paste of new addresses.
 
 
 

 This contains the mapping of the list names and inbound MX (eg
foo-...@redhat.com goes to foo-...@lists.feforaproject.org)  - it does
NOT contain the outbound mail servers - (cf hormel.redhat.com was an
outbound mx server - vs the list inbound fedora-list@redhat.com).

 I have not found a list of outbound mx servers for the new domains.

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Re: NetworkManager vs Cacheing nameserver

2010-01-05 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/05/2010 10:08 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 19:08 -0600, Mikkel wrote:
 On 01/04/2010 06:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 I installed bind and tried to use it as a basic cacheing nameserver,
 which in principal just means running named and
 pointing /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1. However resolv.conf keeps

   I may be stating the obvious or missed it that you tried this ...

   But did you try this:

In the NM applet when editing config:

  under IPV4 settings  set

 method - Automatic (DHCP) addresses only

 Then fill in the DNS servers you want to use (127.0.0.1)
 And the search domains:

 I do this and my resolv.conf is never touched.

 gene/

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Re: DKIM or DomainKey installation Postfix

2010-01-04 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/04/2010 09:02 AM, Hiren Mistry wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I am new user I have no idea to configure DomainKey / DKIM with my
 Zimbra MailServer.

   You should really go on the zimbra support/forums for that.

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Re: firefox disk IO

2010-01-04 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/04/2010 06:58 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Wayne Feick w...@brunz.org wrote:


  Thank you for the suggestions ... its fascinating and helpful ...

  But what kind of silly (add adjective to please) design necessitates
that the user of the program defrag databases .. thunderbird was even
worse with GLODA.

  What is wrong with these program designers - this kind of housekeeping
should never be imposed upon the user even if its a button push ...

  Either they made bad design choices and better choices exist which do
not need this cleanup nonsense (which is clearly the case with
thunderbird using mbox instead of maildir) - or they need to figure how
to do it themselves periodically (fsck every N boots) if no better way
can be found.

  And chrome is so much faster anyway ... in time I would not be
surprised if it takes over as the dominant browser. What does chrome do
- it does not suffer this issue at all - perhaps firefox can try and
follow chrome.

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Re: help - recovering virtual machine

2010-01-03 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/03/2010 08:10 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
 the vm ?
 
 The simplest way is to regularly backup your machine definitions
 via virsh dumpxml name  name.xml, then you can recover the
 machine definition via virsh define name.xml. If you can still
 boot f11, that would be the way to go.

  I have backups of the entire disk but cannot still boot f11. Is that
.xml file stored somewhere ?

 I looked in /var/lib/libvirt/ but didnt find anything useful

 
 The error-prone, will probably force you to re-activate windows, way
 is to define a new virtual machine with virt-manager, and when
 it gets to the disk image part, say use existing, then browse local,
 then point it at your existing image file. When it boots from
 the iso image, use force off, then you should be able to boot
 from the disk image and maybe it will be back.
 

 Yeh ok .. thanks for your help

 gene

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Re: help - recovering virtual machine

2010-01-03 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/03/2010 10:50 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
 On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:29:14 -0500
 Mail Lists wrote:
 
   I have backups of the entire disk but cannot still boot f11. Is that
 .xml file stored somewhere ?
 
 Libvirt itself stashes all its info in some random place, God knows
 where :-). 

  Was hoping someone aside from him/her might know!! I suspect its
buried in the registry somewhere.


If you really have an complete disk image of f11, you might
 be able to chroot to it, start libvirtd, and do the dumpxml command
 that way :-).

 I dont have a disk image - i have rdiff-backup's.

 
 If your runs of the XP image with the qemu command line work with
 no activation problems, you can probably tweak the new machine
 definition xml to match the qemu command line, since basically all
 the xml does is define the things it will pass to qemu (you just
 have to guess how to translate things :-). More or less complete
 docs for the xml appear at libvirt.org.

  Ug.
 

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Re: graphical login screen

2010-01-03 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/03/2010 02:49 PM, Ralph Blach wrote:
 On Fedora 12, my machine is running to init 5, and comes up to a
 graphical login screen,  How do I change the users showed on the screen,
 I see users, but no root,
 
 I would only like to see only the user which I specify, and of course root.
 
 
 I believe you can have them all on or turn them all off (except
'other') but cannot just show one user.

 As for root - I'll let others answer - see past long threads - it was
turned off intentionally but there is a way to allow root to
gracphically login if you really want it. (Tho why you'd ever need this
is beyond me. I've used linux for many many years, and never once needed
a graphical root login.

 If you want the control you seek - you may want to try kdm instead of
gdm. You can still use gnome desktop with kdm.


  I am not recommending this one way or another - I am an ex kde user.
kde  was so wonderfully configurable ... but somehow they shot
themselves in the foot and lost a huge number of users alng the way and
seem to be struggling to regain their user base.  Even Linus himself
switched to Gnome .. after criticizing gnome for its lack of
configurabilty for a few years ..
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9126619/Q_A_Linux_founder_Linus_Torvalds_talks_about_open_source_identity?taxonomyName=Software

 Good luck ..

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Re: help - recovering virtual machine

2010-01-03 Thread Mail Lists

  While I am still unable to find the original .xml files on the backup
- I did find a log file in root/.virt-manager which has the xml
definitions from when they were created.

  Then Tom's virsh define should now work if I copy the lines from log
to a .xml file.

   Thanks for help!

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Re: Kde problems

2010-01-03 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/03/2010 09:45 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

 Using ext4? If your file system's not syncing before poweroff, perhaps
 it's file system corruption. Have you tried ext3?
 
 -c
 

 Before changing back to ext3 and reinstalling - which looks like a shot
in the dark to me - you may want to a boot live cd and run fsck on the
partition.


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Re: Kde problems

2010-01-03 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/03/2010 10:47 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
could well be it.
 
 My understanding is that he does fresh installs and KDE works
 correctly the first time, but then dies after the first reboot. That

  I've seen that - for me was usually a graphics driver problem -
installer works great (in vesa mode) - but as soon as it boots the
'real' driver jumps in and craps out.

  I'd look in /var/log/X* and /var/log/boot and see if there's anything
of interest (using recovery or live cd or whatever).

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Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE

2010-01-02 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/02/2010 12:33 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote:

 It time I agree that it does look as though Chrome may well win - if the 
 Firefox
 developers don't pay attention to the competition - and gecko is not the way 
 forward - webkit is!
 
 

 Agreed - and being native clean c++ code instead of an ancient,
rehacked interpreter has enormous speed and reliability benefits - not
to mention the old crusty firefox base and its innumerable memory leaks.

 Webkit is also the core of safari on mac os/x .. so it has active
support by a large base of developers - unlike firefox which has done
amazingly considering the small number of developers.




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Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation

2010-01-02 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/02/2010 02:19 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
missing --- no playing of .mp3 files and divx movies, among other things.
 
 This extra functionality can be enabled by installing software from third 
 party repositories, such as rpmfusion and livna. But that also means that 
 legality and licensing stuff will become problematic, depending on what 
 exactly 
 you have installed and what are the laws of the country you live in.
 
 HTH, :-)
 Marko
 


 If there is a business need - business have no problem paying for
appropriate licenses if they can be purchased - whether for mp3 or other.

  Tho why most business would care about mp3 or divx is beyond me ..
those that do care have a solution already - Mr Main St or small 400
employee company cares about the tools they need (whether its accounting
software, medical management software, mathematica, or Office
Productivity tools etc) - and many are available and many are not free
- and that is just fine too.

  Most companies in my business (large) are huge users of linux already
and are quite happy purchasing software (and/or support) they need. They
do/did on windows too .. and for MS Office .. etc etc.

  Business' care about solutions - cost effective yes, but solutions. So
what is the problem you're trying to solve - how does linux and addons
(pay or otherwise) solve that better than alternatives.


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Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?

2010-01-02 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote:
 I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share
 browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that


   Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away.

   either

   1) run your own DNS ..

   Or simply -

   2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns

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Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?

2010-01-02 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/02/2010 10:53 PM, KC8LDO wrote:

 Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is just
 the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to install
 custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a means to
 monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has done that
 excludes this option.
 

   A little paranoid are we ?

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Re: Disk druid within gnome?

2010-01-01 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/31/2009 09:02 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
 On 31/12/09 13:42, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
 Is disk druid available 
 
 No Disk Druid but,
 
 for partitioning (and formating) a USB attached
 drive while running fedora?
 
 Toolbar  Aplications  System tools  Disk Utility
 (/usr/bin/palimpsest)
 
 If a normal install.
 
 

  I ran this - and (at least without any free disk) it had no options
for partitioning or installing (f12).

  I suggest gparted for that.

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Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?

2010-01-01 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/01/2010 06:30 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
   to something more concise ?
 
 BTW: May I suggest *you* change *your* name from the current meaningless
 
 Mail Lists
 
 to something more concise? ;)
 

   Would ML be better for you - more concise ? ;-)


  gene(ML;-)

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Re: Disk druid within gnome?

2010-01-01 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/01/2010 09:52 AM, Mail Lists wrote:

   I ran this - and (at least without any free disk) it had no options
 for partitioning or installing (f12).
 
  ^^

 I Have no idea what I was trying to say with that bit ..

  nonetheless .. gparted works wonders.

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F12 - Network Manager Problem / Question

2010-01-01 Thread Mail Lists

 Unable to edit connections - wired / wireless / vpn

 I was running f11. I did a clean install (but kept /home from f11).

 When I login as user - network manager shows all my previously entered
wired and wireless settings - however when I Right Click they are not
listed for editing - same for vpn connections.

 How can I get the list back to edit them as I need to make a change ?

thanks

 gene/

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Re: F12 - Network Manager Problem / Question

2010-01-01 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/01/2010 04:12 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 
  Unable to edit connections - wired / wireless / vpn
 
  I was running f11. I did a clean install (but kept /home from f11).
 
  When I login as user - network manager shows all my previously entered
 wired and wireless settings - however when I Right Click they are not
 listed for editing - same for vpn connections.
 
  How can I get the list back to edit them as I need to make a change ?


   Fixed by a reboot ...

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Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE

2010-01-01 Thread Mail Lists
On 01/01/2010 08:23 PM, Chris Smart wrote:

 A decent, well integrated Qt browser is still a major missing
 component of KDE and doesn't appear to be coming any time soon. Most
 users like Firefox and this seems a good compromise.
 

 Actually chrome is way faster, more secure and takes way way less
memory - I suspect firefox usage will slowly tail off much like netscape
did in the past - as chrome takes over .. it is so so much better ...
even in its beta form.

 I'd focus your energies there were I you ...

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Re: kdm crash with wrong password

2009-12-31 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/31/2009 01:25 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote:

 I believe that this relates to 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506171
 
 So this bug is not resolved despite the implication in the last post on the
 bz!


  Obviously if bugs are closed, then there must be less bugs no ;-)

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Re: Where is 2.6.32?

2009-12-30 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/30/2009 08:07 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:
 Paulo Cavalcanti promac at gmail.com writes:
 


 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-December/msg01138.html--
 Paulo Roma CavalcantiLCG - UFRJ

 
 Ahh - thank you - there is usually a good reason for these things...
 
 
 
 

  No, thats a really weird reason - the bug was noted in 2.62.32.rc4
...or earlier back in late november .. it was fixed in rc5 and in final
(dated dec 03).

  Don't understand why fedora 2.6.32 should have an old bug ... are we
backporting bugs ? Or is the build in koji not been updated since rc4 ?

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Re: GRUB2?

2009-12-30 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/30/2009 04:43 PM, Tom H wrote:

 To make an upstart job start at runlevels X and Y, you have to edit
 the start line:
 start on runlevel [XY]
 

Except in older versions (like 0.3 and 0.6 too) is there a way to
specify a dependency other than using a different run level ?

If you want for example to start your sendmail milters before you
startsendmail - how do you do that in upstart (pre 1.0) ?

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Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?

2009-12-30 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/30/2009 12:25 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:

 Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell
 your proposal.
 
 -Chris
 


 I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users

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Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?

2009-12-30 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 
  I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users
 


  Or perhaps:   Fedora General

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Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?

2009-12-29 Thread Mail Lists

 Suggestion:

  May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we
please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as:

   Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.

  to something more concise ?

 thanks.



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httpd 2.2.14 not pushed for f11

2009-12-29 Thread Mail Lists
  Seems httpd-2.2.14 was pushed to stable for f10 and f12 but not f11.
 
  It has security fixes - any reason not to push to f11 stable ?

 gene/

See:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/httpd?_csrf_token=17465b065b68b6ab4185be243abb3089a379591b

 reposted (orig from non-subscribed account)

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Re: Where is 2.6.32?

2009-12-29 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/29/2009 07:54 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote:
 How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are
 there issues merging it?
 It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't
 see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month...
 

 Its not even in Koji ... unfortunately .. tho you may want to  post
this in fedora-dev or fedora-test rather than the Community assistance,
encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. list ... ;-)

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Re: list server got slower ?

2009-12-28 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/28/2009 02:44 AM, Tim wrote:


 Your ISP's or within the list server servers'?  

 List server - your posting confirms it.

 It clearly shows delay exactly as original post said 2-3 mins in
int-mx05 ... and 7-10 mins in lists01-xxx


 Received: from mx1-phx2.redhat.com  by external mail ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 16:27:35 +1100
 Received: from lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com ;  Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 00:20:06 -0500
 Received: from int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 00:17:02 -0500

  Below shows no delay from poster to redhat mx:
 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ;Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 00:16:57 -0500
 Received: from s3.sapience.com ;   Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 00:16:46 -0500
 Received: from mail.prv.sapience.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 00:16:45 -0500
 Received: from lap1.prv.sapience.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 
 00:16:45 -0500
 

  If each message takes 15 mins to process that would be a maximum of 96
messages per day outgoing ... sounds like a potential problem no?
Doesn't sound like normal processing time to me ... but what do I know.

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Re: list server got slower ?

2009-12-28 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/28/2009 11:36 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote:

 It would however mean that if the delay holds true, then you'd be able
 to get about 50 back/forth exchanges on any thread/topic a day - which
 is certainly more than most threads get on this particular list.
 
 --
 Sam
 


 I think of it more simply (not per poster but for the server as a
whole) - there is a pipe which can urinate outgoing messages at some
rate - the number of desired outgoing is

   Num_Out = num_subscribers x num_posts per unit of time ..

once the faucet/tap is on full - (whatever the max capability of the
outgoing servers is) thats the max outflow rate of messages. If Num_Out
ever exceeded the max flow rate of the servers there would be a bit of a
problem.

  Depending how many outgoing MX servers etc it may be a total non-issue
or could be a problem looming - only the server maintainers can really
see the load.

 However, if things go slow enough there is a potential problem that the
lists may overwhelm the outgoing MX servers.

 The observation I had is simply that the delay (which is in the
outgoing MX) has increased from 1-2 mins to 10 possibly higher. It is
the change in the delay that I thought was of interest.

  What to do with that observation is up to the list/mx maintainers I'd
imagine.



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Re: list server got slower ?

2009-12-28 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/28/2009 02:46 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote:


 Good points ...

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realtex 8172 / 8192

2009-12-27 Thread Mail Lists

 As posted on fedora-list (sorry for x-post)


 A friend of mine has a lenovo with a RT 8172 wireless ... neither
ubuntu 9.10 nor f12 seems to support this.

  Seems its available in 2.6.32 ...

  Ok - so anyone know when 2.6.32 will be available in f12 / f11 ?



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realtex 8172 wireless support

2009-12-27 Thread Mail Lists

 A friend of mine has a lenovo with a RT 8172 wireless ... neither
ubuntu 9.10 nor f12 seems to support this -

 Anyone know what the status of driver support for this is (2.6.32, .33
etc) ?

 Thanks.

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Re: realtex 8172 wireless support

2009-12-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/27/2009 11:02 AM, Mail Lists wrote:
 
  A friend of mine has a lenovo with a RT 8172 wireless ... neither
 ubuntu 9.10 nor f12 seems to support this -
 
  Anyone know what the status of driver support for this is (2.6.32, .33
 etc) ?
 
  Thanks.
 


  Seems its in 2.6.32 ...

  Ok - so anyone know when 2.6.32 will be available in f12 / f11 ?

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list server got slower ?

2009-12-27 Thread Mail Lists

 As of a few weeks ago, posting to this list got the post back in my
mailbox in a few minutes. Now I am seeing delays.

 I spot checked a couple of posts (1 mine 1 someone else via yahoo) -
the 2 machines that take the longest to pass messages through are:

 lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com   --- 2 mins
 mx01.util.phx2.redhat.com  --- 7-10 mins

 gene/

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Re: list server got slower ?

2009-12-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/27/2009 01:09 PM, Marc Wilson wrote:
 deleted
 
 Someone explain to me why it matters, please?
 


  Coz if the server can only process N messages per day - there will be
a backup problem ... and messages will eventually get deleted before
they get mailed out.

  That help?

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fedora mailing list handles signed email incorrectly

2009-12-26 Thread Mail Lists

 Problem
 
  All the fedora mail lists are not handling domain keys and dkim signed
mail correctly.

  The mail list leaves the original signatures but breaks the headers
thereby making the signature fail.

  There are several choices, but breaking DKIM as it does is the worst.

  Solutions:
  ---
  The list server should either

   (1) leave the original message headers intact

   (2) If signed headers are mofified - remove original signature
(a) delete original signature
(b) delete original signature and sign outgoing as list server


  (3) Leave original message intact and signed - list server should then
sign its own message along with the forwarded message as an attachment.
This way allows both the original and the forwarded message to be checked.


 Comments:
 -
  (1) is ok

  (2) is not ideal as it defeats purpose of signing mail tho (b) is
better than (a)

  (3) Is the best available choice.

  It would be even better if the DKIM milter recursively checked all
attached signed messages as well - which is not in the current version.
In fact it should be part of the spec itself and thus required.


   gene/

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Re: fedora mailing list handles signed email incorrectly

2009-12-26 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/26/2009 02:04 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

 You mean all the ones from the redhat.com mailman? 

  yes

 This should not apply to the lists on lists.fedoraproject.org... 

  Not quite sure what you mean - after the list moves perhaps ?

 
 See: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DKIM
 
 When all the @redhat.com lists move over to lists.fedoraproject.org we
 will be using mailman 2.1.9, which strips out the DKIM sigs. 


  So soln (1) ...

  But you sure about the version ? All the headers from the current list
(including your post have this)

   X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12

 And the mailman info page you sent says this:

 ---
 However, in Mailman 2.1.9, we explicitly began stripping DKIM-Signature
headers from incoming messages.

 ...

The proposal for Mailman 2.1.10 then is to add a variable to
Defaults.py.in (configurable via mm_cfg.py) that controls whether
DKIM-Signature headers are removed or not in outgoing list copies ..

---

  And certainly I am seeing DKIM poster signatures coming through ..


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Re: fedora mailing list handles signed email incorrectly

2009-12-26 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/26/2009 04:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

 Right, so the redhat.com mailman must have that setting set to no, so
 it's not stripping DKIM. Currently lists.fedoraproject.org mailman does
 strip them. 


 gotcha - maybe you can make the list server DKIM sign outgoing too ?

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Re: Thunderbird search option is not working

2009-12-23 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/23/2009 11:37 AM, Jatin K wrote:
 Dear all
 
 I'm using thunderbird 3.0-4 on my Fedora 12 64bit .. all works fine but
 not search ... whenever I try to search mail for particular item, every
 time it founds nothing. thus I'm unable to search anything in thunderbird
 
 can any one tell me the solution for this 
 
 
 
 


  Assuming GLODA is off (which is a good thing) ... you have to click
the magnifying glass and choose Subject or From (or whatever) .. it
sometimes starts up on global even if its off - (very stubborn that gloda).

  See if that helps.

  Also confirm that advanced search (control-shift-f or
edit-find-search_messages) works ok.


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Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again

2009-12-22 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/22/2009 05:37 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
 
 I'll leave it here.  I've never tried to install the anaconda RPM and


 Not sure why you keep saying this - he is booting the install media -
just via grub instead of dvd.

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Re: WTF is wrong with thunderbird????

2009-12-21 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/21/2009 09:29 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:

 Ralf

 
 


  This could be a GLODA bug ... please confirm it is off and of not try
turning GLODA off and see if that helps.

   Edit - Preferences - Advanced

 General

   Unselect GLobal Indexing

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Re: Kernel security update required or not?

2009-12-20 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/20/2009 08:34 PM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
 On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 19:16 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 There is a 2.6.31.9 build in Koji.
 
 Yeah, I've seen it. But, it's not in updates. Hence the question.
 

Sure wish 2.6.32 would come soon ... anyone know when ?

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Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files? -

2009-12-20 Thread Mail Lists


  o Using gmail - with imap - leaves the mail on gmail server.
  gmail with pop - removes the mail from gmail and stores
wherever you told your mail client to store it - once you've done this -
unless you store it on your own imap server then no other client will be
able to see that pop mail.

  o so you should leave gmail accounts all set to imap - unless you want
to pull the mail off gmail and store it.


  o your dovecot server is just like any other mail server - just set up
a new IMAP account - use IP or (or hostname if your computers can see
the host name).


 o each mail client you set up should have

 gmail imap
 your own imap

as accounts.

Then to move or copy mail just use mouse to drag or copy message(s) from
gmail to your own imap account.

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Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files? -

2009-12-19 Thread Mail Lists

  Slow it down a moment - lets get some concepts clear.

   gmail does 3 things for you ..

   1) it receives your mail

   2) it send mail on your behalf


   3) it lets you store the mail it has received and read the mail
that it has received for you.


 (1)  (2) are mail server functions.

 (3) is an imap server function.

 So when you set up an local imap server - you are setting up a server
that allows you to store and read emails. This is (3).

  In thunderbird you 'add an account' and as I described in first email
- set it up for your imap server.

  Once that is done you should have 2 accounts in thunderbird - gmail
and the second one you created.

  In thunderbird you can drag or copy emails from gmail to your second
account.

  Thats it.


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Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files? -

2009-12-18 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/18/2009 06:27 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
 On 17/12/09 20:29, Mail Lists wrote:

 
 Ok, I give up! Where can I find instructions, hopefully step by
 step, to install IMAP with a local server? That sounds like the
 solution to this problem and a few others.

 Bob


 



  I dont have a walk-through howto so I will wing it .. I will assume
for now that you will not be using or running your own hosted
sendmail/postfix server (that is a little more involved) and all you
want is an imap server to store local mail.

  1) As root edit  /etc/dovecot.conf and make sure you have a directive
to use maildir and store it in your home directory under Maildir (or
whatever you want to use)

 e.g a line such as:

  mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir


  2) service dovecot start

  3) chkconfig dovecot on

 Then in your thunderbird just create a new account -
   server will be 127.0.0.1
   (or whatever the IP or hostname on your local network the server
is running on)

user name (your login on the computer)

connection security - STARTTLS

  Thats it. Create whatever folders you need and then use them.

  *** Minor Subtlety:

  You may find (likely will) that thunderbird will complain about the
ssl certificate being self signed by an unknown authority - for now just
tell it its ok - to remove this you'll need to create a better cert -
which is signed by a known certificate authority.

  I suggest a free server certificate from startcom - which is probably
your best bet. They are quick and easy and thunderbird and firefox have
them listed already as an acceptable CA (certficate authority). There
are others but most cost money - avoid things like cacert.org as they
are not known by any browser.


   Go here:

   http://www.startssl.com/

  Once you get the server certificate from them - you'll have 2 files -
a key file (ssl.key) and a xxx.crt file.

   You'll ;likely need to convert them to pem format using something like

  openssl x509 -inform der -in xxx.crt -out xxx.pem

   The edit the dovecot.conf file again and look for the lines

  ssl_cert_file
and
  ssl_key_file ...

  Change the to point to your lovely new certificate and restart dovecot
(service dovecot restart).

  Best of luck.  Look in /var/log/maillog for hints of any problems ...

  gene


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Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files? -

2009-12-17 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/17/2009 04:33 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
 
There must be a way to save/export/import Thunderbirds email files
when going from F-11 to F-12! I have never been able to do this
despite suggestions to simply move the Thunderbirds Mail files.
Every six months or so I lose all the mail when I upgrade Fedora and
reinstall Thunderbirds,


   WHile you can usually re-use your .thunderbird directory, one should
never save any email in thunderbird local format in my view. I use TB
coz I still thinks its the best of a bunch.

   A far, far better way than using local TB storage, is to simply run a
local imap server (dovecot works really well) and use that. The major
advantages are

(i) You are now essentially indifferent to what mail client you use
- and its simple quick to change between different mail clients.

(ii) TB local storage (mbox format) was designed in the 70's ... and
it has long since been replaced by far far safer, faster and superior
formats.

 mbox format is a single large file - so if you delete a message in
the middle, it doesn't actually delete it (too slow) until you
compress it. Using a modern format (like maildir++) never needs
compression and the risk of corruption is gone.


   [MS outmook uses a similar approach - and they have similar problems
- corrupted mail files. There is a small cottage industry of repair
programs which attempt to recover mails from a corrpted outlook.pst file! ]

  And remember to turn off GLODA too in tb 3 or you're in for all kinds
of gigabyte files and slow to start and run tb.

 good luck!



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Re: Saving Tbird e-mail files? -

2009-12-17 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/17/2009 08:44 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:

 What is GLODA and where does one look to turn it off?
 
  good luck!
 

 Edit-Preferences-Advanced Tab

  Uncheck GLObal Indexer ...

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Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/16/2009 03:51 AM, Richard Hughes wrote:
 2009/12/16 Mail Lists li...@sapience.com:
   The last part is a clean up phase which could be deferred to reboot
 or perhaps something a little more clever.
 
 The devil is in the detail :)
 
 Richard.
 

 Yes but how are:


   (a) Kill app - install - restart

   (b) install in separate are - on reboot
   (app is now dead, flip link to new install - delete old)


 Any different?

  We have ways now of running things as the system is going down or
coming up ... don't we ?

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Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-15 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/15/2009 12:42 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:

 this is what colin and I talked about at fudcon in toronto. I just added
 some code to yum so it returns to you a list of all pkgs on the system
 that own a file that is currently open/used in a running process.
 
 should make that part of your lookup easier.
 
 YumBase.rpmdb.return_running_packages()
 

   This seems to be compounding the problem rather than try9ing to avoid
it all together.

   As an alternate suggestion:

   It may make a lot more sense, to instead install apps in a shadow
directory (named by version for example) with the usual spot being a
link to the right place. When installing a new one simply install it in
the shadow area and flip the link. The existing running app will see
home base in the same place and have zero problems.

   The last part is a clean up phase which could be deferred to reboot
or perhaps something a little more clever.

   firefox will work perfectly if done this way for example.

gene

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updates for wireless on f12 and f11 ?

2009-12-14 Thread Mail Lists

   There are some good wireless changes/fixes in 2.6.32 which would be
very worthwhile having in both f12 and f11. I assume it will be pushed
to f12 - yes ?

   But, are there plans to make 2.6.32.1 available for f11 ?

   If (yes) {

Great!!

   } else {

 Would it make sense to consider making the compat-wireless
package [#] available on f11 ?

   }

-
 [#] As posted in linux-wireless/linux-kernel

 2.6.32 went out last week, based on this release we now have a
compat-wireless release [1]. You can find the wireless specific
ChangeLog at orbit [2]. This package enables usage of the 2.6.32
wireless subsystem on older kernels. For more information please refer
to its upstream wiki [3]. If you find any issues with wireless on this
package please report them [4] ASAP.

  Luis

[1]
http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.32/compat-wireless-2.6.32.tar.bz2
[2]
http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.32/ChangeLog-2.6.32-wireless
[3] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download/stable
[4] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/Reporting_bugs
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Re: Grub2, /boot, and lvm

2009-12-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/08/2009 07:45 AM, Tom H wrote:
hat you had asked for this info.
 This is from the Grub 2 wiki:
 http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID
 
 Thank you Tom, its much appreciated, but you forgot that you have
 already posted that. :)
 
 You're welcome. By the end of this week I will have done four weeks'
 worth of shifts in two weeks - and I cannot remember posting this
 before (!). I hope that I am not making similar mistakes at work...

  Maybe its in part coz I posted it perhaps (as well possibly) .. so you
may not be misremembering!

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Re: BlueTooth in IBM T60

2009-12-06 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/06/2009 01:41 AM, Marcus D. Leech wrote:
 I have an IBM T60, which supposedly has a Bluetooth subsystem, but with

...

 
 No bluetooth file to send an enable to.
 
 Is this a known issue with the IBM/Lenovo T60 laptop?
 
 

For what its worth I have t61 and t42 with bluetooth and never had a
problem with fedora 8 through 11. And I most def see a bluetooth in
/proc/acpi/ibm .. are you -sure- it has bluetooth ?? It really sounds
like you dont.

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Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12

2009-12-06 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/06/2009 08:42 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
 Tom Horsley wrote:
 On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:54:26 -0500
 Bill Davidsen wrote:

 Has anyone tried this, and if so can you comment on the viability of
 this as a way to control USB devices?

 My one attempt to use a non-trivial usb device resulted in this:

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=524723

 Thanks, another avenue closed. Was hoping to get an easy to use video
 software running.
 

  I was/am hoping to be able to use windows vm to program a universal
remote via usb too ... by the way have you tried virtualbox ? I wonder
if it has better usb support than qemu?

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Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12

2009-12-06 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/06/2009 11:11 AM, Greg Woods wrote:
 On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 10:44 -0500, Mail Lists wrote:
 

 I plan to try Xen at some point but I doubt if it will be any better.
 

  I suspect Xen is dying/dead and not well supported now ... at least
kms is in upstream kernel, and VB has sun (or whoever!) keeping the
kernel modules updated.

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Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12

2009-12-06 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/06/2009 11:57 AM, Mail Lists wrote:

   I suspect Xen is dying/dead and not well supported now ... at least
 kms is in upstream kernel, and VB has sun (or whoever!) keeping the
 kernel modules updated.
 

s/kms/kvm/

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Re: Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12

2009-12-06 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/06/2009 12:48 PM, Steven Stern wrote:

 I'm using VirtualBox (not the OSE version) to run an XP VM that I use
 with for iTunes/iPhone and a Logitech Harmony remote control.  It seems
 to handle USB well.

  Funnily enough there is a linux package for that controller too ...
(concordance / congruity) tho I have not tried it as I dont own one.

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Re: Getting rid of /boot

2009-12-04 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/04/2009 10:05 PM, suvayu ali wrote:

 Could you please point me to the documentation for this? I would
 really like to read up more and understand what limitations/advantages
 I might have as I have been waiting for this to be included since F10.
 
http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID?highlight=(lvm)

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Re: F11 Thunderbird 3 beta 4

2009-11-26 Thread Mail Lists
On 11/26/2009 03:24 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
 On 26/11/09 07:09, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 11/25/2009 06:12 PM, Paul Erickson wrote:
 Does anyone know when there will be an upgrade beyond
 Thunderbird 3 beta 4? My main problem with it is that the

  I am running nightly upstream from here (insyalled in /usr/local):

 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/

 and many of the problems are fixed - the printing bug is there (no
printers show up but with 2 simple work arounds) and of course GLODA is
crap and cannot be completely turned off - but that is in beta 4 too ...

  Also, remember that mozilla team is not convinced code is 64 bit clean
which is why firefox only provides 64 bit testing version with no plans
for supported till 4.0. TB may follow suit. So you may want to use 32
bit version on x86_64 fedora anyway if you run into those problems.

 good luck.


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Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-19 Thread Mail Lists
On 11/19/2009 09:29 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
 Executive summary
 =
 
 We'll make an update to the F12 PackageKit, so that the root password is
 required to install packages.
 


  Thank you for the followup and attack plan.

  I also look forward to a policy configuration tool in F13.

gene/

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apache and SNI

2009-11-07 Thread Mail Lists

  I'd like to test SNI on my web server - which is on fedora 10 - as I
understand this feature comes with 2.2.12 and later.

  F10 only has 2.2.11 - short of upgrading the server to 11, is there a
way to get an updated web server (and perhaps openssl ?) running on the
f10 box ?

   thanks.

 (PS = SNI allows multiple virtual https hosts on a single IP).

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Re: Using sftp through HTTP authenticating proxy

2009-10-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 10/26/2009 10:26 PM, Matt Domsch wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 03:26:54PM -0700, Donald Russell wrote:
I'd like to use sftp to connect to a system on the outside but have to go
through an HTTP proxy.

 ...

 
 yum install corkscrew
 man corkscrew
 

 

  As an alternative you may want to consider proxytunnel (it is quite a
bit better than corkscrew which is fairly basic).

  See for example this presentation ...
http://proxytunnel.sourceforge.net/files/proxytunnel-slides-froscon-2008.pdf

  I wish it was packaged for Fedora but it isn't - it is however a very
simple compile.


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Re: squid help - increasing web security

2009-10-22 Thread Mail Lists
On 10/22/2009 10:29 AM, Tim wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 22:21 -0400, Mail Lists wrote:
 I believe i can avoid a large number of scans, if I can prevent
 http://[ip] from ever reaching the webserver.
 
 How many domains do you host?  If it's not too many, take the opposite
 approach:  Have an allow list of your domains, and reject everything
 else.
 

  I guess i wasn't clear - it doesnt work the way you expect.

  If you put in
  acl dstdomain my1.com my2.com

  Those domains are then allowed - but if someone hits the ip - squid
cleverly reverses the IP to a domain - if the reversed domain is allowed
by the rule then it is allowed.The same thing for dstdom_regex. Hence
the original question.



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squid help - increasing web security

2009-10-21 Thread Mail Lists

   Can anyone help with this ?

   I use squid as an accelerator on my border firewall. (ie incoming to
my webserver hit the reverse squid proxy which mediates the request to
the real webserver if it is not cached).

   I have noticed that whenever the script kiddies attack/scan my
website, they always scan the website using http://[ip]

   They never use any domain name - presumably the scripts scan blocks
of ip's and so they care not a jot what domain is hosted at that ip.

   So - I believe i can avoid a large number of scans, if I can prevent
http://[ip] from ever reaching the webserver.

   As I read the squid docs, acl dstdomain IP may block what I want,
but may do a DNS lookup on domain for the normal traffic and then block
that too - clearly not what I want.

   So how to I contruct an acl which matches http://[ipaddress] and
which does not match http://domain, where the IP of domain is [ipaddress].

   thanks ...

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Re: NFSv4 setup?

2009-10-15 Thread Mail Lists
On 10/15/2009 05:21 PM, Aldo Foot wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Mike Cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have googled for setup advice on NFSv4 specifically for F11 - but I have
 not yet found a good reference..
 __
 
 Hmm... please try again.  :-)
 
 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Fedora+NFS+howto



 AF:
 -
 Got the smiley but

  o) Your google is not even what the OP asked for ... at all.


 Cloaked:
 ---
  o) I didnt find anything specific to F11 - however, nfs4 has been
around a while - so it shud not need to be fedora (or f11) specific at all.

  o) here is a brief page or 2 (sorry for wrapped links)

http://fedoraunity.org/solved/post-install-solutions/nfsv4-fedora

http://www.novell.com/communities/node/3787/configuring-nfsv4-server-and-client-suse-linux-enterprise-server-10

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto

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Re: thunderbird upgrade - wtf?

2009-10-11 Thread Mail Lists

 There are several issues being discussed here.

 Thunderbird itself and what upstream are doing:
  
   (i) In my view smart folders are silly most of the time.
   Comixing different accounts is a really bad idea.

   (ii) GLODA = the global indexing nonsense is beyond silly

  This is not just indexing each account - its accross ALL accounts.
  Especially when you note that it will only index things that TB
has a local copy of in mbox format - and TB switched to make local
copies of everything by default.

  This is a solution looking for a problem - its also a problematic
solution for most, with runaway indexing, 90% CPU, eating GiB of space
etc. A good example of a runaway idea.

   I run a local imap server precisely to be independent of mail client.
Having duplicate copies of everything in mbox format (ug)  and GiB
of index .. ug.


 Upgrade Process:
 ---
 I believe we should be picking up the newer versions - in fact
moving to 3.0pre and 3.0 final. TB has quirks, but overall things are
improving. We still have evo too ..

That all said - both the above changes are simple to turn off - and
as Rahul said, prolly shoulda been off by default in our version.

In this case there is an easy way to make things smooth. In other
cases there may not be

For such cases we can:

   a) Not update
   b) Update
   c) Install as alternative for those who want it.

   (c) is a nice possible option if something is invasive yet of interest.

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Re: Gnome or KDE - why not ask?

2009-10-10 Thread Mail Lists

  Well - how about this. When Linus goes back to kde as his desktop,
then maybe we should make it a simple choice

   Choose your desktop:

   a) Make it a surpise

   b) You pick for me please

   c) make it the same as Linus)

   e) Windows 7 please (press Ctrl-Alt-Delete-Shift-911)
  Go shopping.

 a) is not available and at the moment (b) and (c) are the same ..

... ;-) (=== NB smiley)

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Re: How about releasing an update of xorg-x11-drv-intel for Fedora 11

2009-10-07 Thread Mail Lists
On 10/07/2009 02:26 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:

 In fact, the major reason for not backporting the intel driver to F11 is
 that it requires a bunch of kernel changes that no one really has time
 for.  Among other things, 830 through 865 require GEM in the intel 2.9,
 which we have disabled for the F11 kernel for those chips because (as
 shipped) it's utterly broken.
 
 - ajax
 

 I dont have this hardware - but just a question - why not just upgrade
to upstream (2.6.32 would be nice in  a couple of days ... ) ?

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Re: talk set up

2009-10-07 Thread Mail Lists

 You could run jabber daemon - then use any standard IM client which
supports jabber (that for example is the underlying protocol for google
chat).

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Re: thunderbird 3b4 accounts problem

2009-10-04 Thread Mail Lists
On 10/04/2009 06:39 AM, Paul Smith wrote:

 unfortunately compactheader doesn't work correctly with 3b4 ;(
 
 And, by the way, does TB 3b4 work fine with the IMAP protocol?
 
 Paul
 
  Summary
   Imap is fine.
   Turn of global indexing.
   Choose which folders you want tb to store for itself - it stores them
all by default.

  Details.

  Imap works yes - tho I have heard of some with problems - I have found
there seem to be some nasty quirks/bugs associated with GLODA - I turn
it off on all my computers (Preferences-Advances-Enable Global Search).

  I have found the indexing either messes up or never completes (after
11 hours on x64 anyway) - it slows things down and I have no interest in
co-mingling my searches across email accounts. - so the design idea is
just silly IMHO. (I am not a fan of smart folders for similar reasons).

  Also, GLODA demands a local (thunderbird stored mbox format ugh) copy
of all mail. You will need to go through carefully and deslect any
folders (one by one sadly) you dont want duplicate copies stored by
thunderbird.

  Since I keep copies of whatever I want on a local imap server for my
local storage (so I am indifferent to mail client) I have zero interest
in yet another copy of all my emails and saved emails stored in a slow,
bad, buggy format which requires me to keep pressing compact every other
day. While my laptop drive is large, another 5 GiB of duplicate copies
is silly as well.


  I have also switched to using the 32 bit version on my x86_64 installs
- in fact I am now using the nightly build of 3.0pre from mozilla.org.
Tho I am not 100% convinced there are 64 bit problems or not - and the
TB devs dont seem sure if there are or are not either.

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Re: Thunderbird 3.0pre?

2009-09-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 09/27/2009 11:02 AM, drago01 wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there any chance there will be a build of Thunderbird 3.0PRE in
 Koji soon? It would be nice to see a build for F11 and F12 as I
 believe there are significant fixes compared to 3.0beta 4 in the
 3.0pre build.
 
 like?
 

  I do know that the 64 bit fedora beta 4 (there is no 64 bit
mozilla.org as, last I read a while ago, they are not comfortable the
code is 64 bit clean) had terrible problems from beta 4 (tho beta 3  was
fine).

  I switched to 32 bit mozilla.org 3.0pre (on x64 install of f11) and
the problems went away.

  The beta 4 (from updates-testing) started the indexing thing - and
then it took 100% cpu and memory growth went to 3.5 GiB - after a period
memory use fell to 200 MiB, cpu declined .. then it repeated this cycle
several times .. i left this for 6 hours - eventually tb locked up and
left a dirty screen image - stuck - cpu usage went to 0 for TB. I had to
hand kill it.

  Installing the stock mozilla 386 build has no such problems.

  I suspect there is some 64 very unclean code underlying the problem.
Tho it could be beta 4 versus pre as well.

  best,

gene/

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Re: Thunderbird 3.0pre?

2009-09-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 09/27/2009 11:21 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:

 Gee. Here I am messaging you on TB 3.0b4 on a x86_64 machine with TB
 3.0b4 x86_64 from updates-testing. Your message was in a folder with
 1367 other email messages. Indexing worked fine. I don't see any spikes
 in CPU or memory usage. No other bugs in b4 at the moment. It's the best
 version yet.
 
 You might want to delete your .thunderbird directory and try again.
 

 Im happy for you. For what its worth, I have several accounts too - not
just many mail folders.

 It did not work for me - whilst the vanilla 3.0pre version works fine -
witrhout deleting anything.

 Thank you for your kind thoughts.

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Re: evolution to exchange server

2009-09-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 09/27/2009 12:37 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
.
 
 Does that about sum it up, O more knowledgeable ones?

  Sounds pretty good - except I think the server was open source and
that version (up to 1.0) is still available with some googling. I found
a binary of version 0.96.36 and source for 1.0 i think.

  But it feels like the developer (single?) is trying to go commercial
with julia which seems to based on brutus. So the code probably is at a
standstill but is available under GPL.

  If one were to install a kvm with win xp in it, we should be able to
run brutus server in that - tho i dont have visual c++ to compile it.

g

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Battery - Control Screen brightness

2009-09-13 Thread Mail Lists

  Gnome - F11. When I unplug and go on battery - the screen dims. The
power applet for non-battery has a slider for screen brightness. The
battery tab only has a button to click to dim screen - i have that set
to no.

  Yet - when I go on power the screen dims. Is there a slider somewhere
to set screen brightness when on battery ? If not - is there a gnome
registery setting ?


   The hardware laptop brightness has no further effect - pressing it
shows the brightness to full - clearly it is not. As soon as I plug
power back in the screen gets brighter.

  Thanks for help.

gene/

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Re: Battery - Control Screen brightness

2009-09-13 Thread Mail Lists
On 09/13/2009 04:18 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 Mail Lists wrote:

 I am not at my laptop, so I can not check the power management
 options/ But there is also an applet for Gnome that will set
 brightness for most laptops. If you right-click on the top bar, and

  Its a lenovo T61p with nvidia graphics - will get more details - the
brightness applet shows full brightness - unplugging power - screen dims
- same applet shows full brightness - i can only make it more dim.


  I'll check bios settings too - I am using nvidia driver from rpmfusion
too.

g

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Re: Battery - Control Screen brightness

2009-09-13 Thread Mail Lists
On 09/13/2009 05:25 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
 On 09/13/2009 11:36 AM, Mail Lists wrote:

   Gnome - F11. When I unplug and go on battery - the screen dims. The
 power applet for non-battery has a slider for screen brightness. The
 battery tab only has a button to click to dim screen - i have that set
 to no.
 
 I see 2 check boxes:
 
   Reduce backlight brightness
   Dim display when idle

   Yes - I unchecked these ..


 ...

 I see slightly different behaviour.  When I unplug from power, the
 screen dims.  I then use the buttons to return the screen brightness to
 where I want it.  Then (some time later) while using the touchpad (mouse
 and clicks) the screen all of a sudden dims again, even more.  If I then
 use the buttons to return it to where I want, just a short time after
 that the screen dims *again*.  Makes me wonder what idle is looking at
 for activity, since power management has been overridden manually, yet
 insists on asserting itself again, and again, and again, 
 


  I see the same behaviour here if I did NOT uncheck the 2 above
buttons. In this case the whole thing is almost unuseable - and the
definition of idle seems to be:

  If (idle_time  60 seconds)
  dim_screen();
  else if (annoy_user_time  60 seconds)
  {
  dim_screen();
  reset_annoy_user_timer();
  }

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memory footprint of pulseaudio

2009-09-07 Thread Mail Lists

  Running top - pulseaudio occupies 500 MiB - seems a little large to me
- resident is less. Machine has been up for 2 days.

  Is this expected ?

  gene


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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-23 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/23/2009 05:18 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote:
 
 
 
 Matthew Saltzman-2 wrote:


 You should be good to go at that point, at least until the kernel
 version number changes from 2.6.29 to 2.6.30.


 
 What is the significance of 2.6.30 in this regard?  Are you implying that
 the akmod-nvidia and/or kmod-nvidia won't work with 2.6.30?


  For at least akmod-nvidia-173xx the current version in rpmfusion does
not compile - nv.c references kernel structure fields which were removed
in 2.6.30. (see https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781)
leading to a compile error.

  nvidia has fixed this in the newer driver for 173xx, but rpmfusion
needs to update.

  I -believe- but cannot verify, whether the 18x/19x drivers will
compile ok with newer kernels.

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Re: Is RPMfusion on strike?

2009-08-22 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/22/2009 07:52 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:

 Anyway, on this particular thread's original subject,
 I could swear I saw something somewhere (maybe not this list)
 that said there was a bug with latest kernel and nvidia
 driver, and rpmfusion (and everyone else) are waiting on
 a fix from nvidia (but since I can't find a pointer to
 that, maybe I am mis-remembering something else similar).
 

  FYI - I have compile error in nv.c from akmod-nvidia-173xxx with the
2.6.30.5 kernel - as per the messages file the logs are in
/var/cache/akmods/

  There are a few warnings, and several errors - 1 sample shown below:

---
20 Aug 19:40:35 akmods: Building RPM using the command
'/usr/bin/akmodsbuild --target x86_64 --kernels
2.6.30.5-28.rc2.fc11.x86_64 /usr/src/akmods/nvidia-173xx-kmod.latest'

/tmp/akmodsbuild.aIqXg32b/BUILD/nvidia-173xx-kmod-173.14.18/_kmod_build_2.6.30.5-28.rc2.fc11.x86_64/usr/src/nv/nv.c:610:
error: 'struct proc_dir_entry' has no member named 'owner'



  I suspect we need someone to repair nv.c wrapper function for the
driver as it referencing no longer existing structure members.

  Logged at: https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663



Gene/

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thunderbird not exiting

2009-08-16 Thread Mail Lists

  Whenever I quit thunderbird (F11 updated) - screen clears but there
remains thunderbird-bin process running. To restart TB (not a disease
coff coff) .. I need to hand killall thunderbird-bin. (x64)

  I see same thing on stock mozilla build (32 bit) on F10 as well.

  Is this a bug with TB or a bug with gnome or ?

thanks.

gene

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Re: enigmail for F-11's thunderbird ?

2009-08-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/08/2009 07:38 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
 On 08/08/09 12:39, Gregory Hosler wrote:
 Hi all,

 
 Works fine for me.
 Did you get TB from Mozilla?
 
 I believe enigmail is setup fro the Fedora packaged version of TB,
 which is on TB 3 Beta2
 

 I am using stock F11 tb and enigmail from rpmfusion on x64 - and it
does NOT work. It says 'not compatible'.

 Since the mozilla builds do not provide x64 (which is a shame 64 bit
are basically the baseline now with core 2) and the plugins are not 64
bit I am not using them - but if you use the 32 bit mozilla tb and
enigmail nightly from mozilla - they do work.

 So the problem is with the plugin for enigmail - we should ping
rpmfusion I guess.


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Re: enigmail for F-11's thunderbird ?

2009-08-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/08/2009 12:06 PM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote:
 On 08/08/09 17:03, Mail Lists wrote:
 --snip--
  Since the mozilla builds do not provide x64 (which is a shame 64 bit
 are basically the baseline now with core 2) and the plugins are not 64
 bit I am not using them - but if you use the 32 bit mozilla tb and
 enigmail nightly from mozilla - they do work.

  So the problem is with the plugin for enigmail - we should ping
 rpmfusion I guess.


 
 bash-4.0$ rpm -qa | grep thunderbird
 thunderbird-3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11.x86_64
 thunderbird-enigmail-0.96a-0.3.cvs20090521.fc11.x86_64
 

 Doh me - its -lightning- that doesn't work - sorry - my enigmail is
just fine (tho looks like you haven't yum updated - i have a newer
(.beta3) tb tho...


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Re: pulseaudio 0.9.15 for F10?

2009-08-08 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/08/2009 12:56 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Lennart Poettering wrote:
 Upgrading PA like this involves big changes and does not qualify as
 either security nor as small other bug fixes.
 
 Well, then you could backport at least the bugfixes. It's pretty bad that 
 known bugs, even pretty bad ones, are staying unfixed on the still-supported 
 F10.
 
 Kevin Kofler
 
 

 Frankly talking to a door and expecting an answer is not fruitful. Vent
by all means .. hope you feel better ... but dont assume rational
response from a door.

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Re: How to rescue an encrypted root filesystem? - anaconda bug?

2009-08-04 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/04/2009 01:25 AM, Derek Tattersall wrote:
 Well, I screwed up.
 
 I tried to upgrade from f10 to f11, and it seems to have failed. It gets

  I have found that anaconda can be buggy when dealing with encrypted
filesystems - this may or may not be your problem however.

  One bug seems to be that it uses the wrong UUID id when it creates the
luks data and so it fails to mount correctly. You can easily hand edit
the files and either put the correct UUID use a simpler scheme.

 See this post for example (scuse wrapped URL)


http://www.nabble.com/f11---ext4-and-encryption-fails-to-create--dev-mapper-luks-xxx-to24339441.html#a24339704

  gene/

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Re: The ideal mail client?

2009-08-03 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/03/2009 01:08 PM, Steve wrote:
 
  Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: 
 On Saturday 01 August 2009 23:39:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 Even outside the MSE Twilight Zone, plenty of people seem to use Evo's
 calendaring, task management etc. features. Some of these are coming to
 TB via plugins, but they aren't really there yet AFAIK.

 Sorry to jump in on the subject, but I just need to ask what happened to the 
 good old do one thing and do it well policy?
 
 Amen, brother!
 
 Steve
 

 Just curious - in your world - since calendar invites are sent via
email - how does the calendar client get / send meetings without email ?

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Re: udev rules -- file names -- just wondering??

2009-08-02 Thread Mail Lists
On 08/02/2009 01:56 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
 I wouldn't say udev(1) is silent on the matter.  It just doesn't use
 the word(s) you might be searching for to describe the behavior. ;)
 
Rules files
The udev rules are read from the files located in the default
rules directory /lib/udev/rules.d/, the custom rules directory
/etc/udev/rules.d/ and the temporary rules directory
/dev/.udev/rules.d/. All rule files are sorted and processed in
lexical order, regardless in which of these directories they
live.
 
 The operative phrase being '...sorted and processed in lexical order.'
 
 

 Numbers and lexical order are not always ideal ... which is processed
first:

   a) 99-xxx

   b) 100-xxx

 Also, the phrase 'regardless in which of these directories' - is
interesting - as no directory has precedence .. which is useful or
confusing depending on perspective I suppose ..

  gene/

  gene

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Re: Network bug - iwlagn OOPS ?

2009-07-28 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/28/2009 08:55 AM, John W. Linville wrote:

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511128
 
 Probably would be even better if the bug creator would not have
 assigned what is clearly a kernel problem to the iwlwifi-firmware
 component...
 

So sorry - i did not think even to look ... just assumed was kernel ..

gene

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Re: Network bug - iwlagn OOPS ?

2009-07-27 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/26/2009 11:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 On 07/26/2009 09:33 PM, Mail Lists wrote:

   After installing the latest NetworkManager updates - my wireless
 network just stops working 
 
To be more clear - it works for a while then just stops. About the
 time it stops I see the errors in /var/log/messages. Restarting it works
 for a while then same problem appears.
 
Could it be a iwlagn driver problem ?
 
 
I missed this OOPS earlier - (tainting is nvidia driver from rpmfusion)

WARNING: at net/mac80211/scan.c:434 ieee80211_scan_completed+0x40/0x232
[mac80211]() (Tainted: P  )
Hardware name: 6459CTO
Modules linked in: ipt_MASQUERADE rfcomm bridge stp llc bnep sco l2cap
sunrpc autofs4 iptable_nat nf_nat iptable_mangle ip6t_REJECT
nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables ipv
6 cpufreq_ondemand acpi_cpufreq freq_table dm_multipath kvm_intel kvm
uinput nvidia(P) snd_hda_codec_analog arc4 ecb snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_codec iwlagn firewire_ohci iwlcore snd_hw
dep firewire_core snd_pcm lib80211 mac80211 snd_timer yenta_socket
sdhci_pci snd i2c_i801 iTCO_wdt sdhci thinkpad_acpi i2c_core video
soundcore btusb rsrc_nonstatic ricoh_mmc mmc_c
ore crc_itu_t iTCO_vendor_support e1000e wmi output hwmon snd_page_alloc
joydev cfg80211 pcspkr bluetooth sha256_generic cbc aes_x86_64
aes_generic dm_crypt [last unloaded: microco
de]
Pid: 1113, comm: iwlagn/1 Tainted: P   2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 #1
Call Trace:
[8104883f] warn_slowpath+0xbc/0xf0
[a0168bd2] ? __iwl_write32.clone.2+0xb0/0xbf [iwlcore]
[810cc45a] ? kmalloc_large_node+0x2a/0x67
[810cdd6c] ? __kmalloc_node_track_caller+0x2d/0x127
[813abf2c] ? _spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x2c/0x42
[a01691b5] ? iwl_rx_queue_update_write_ptr+0x204/0x216 [iwlcore]
[a019488d] ? iwl_bg_rx_replenish+0x0/0x41 [iwlagn]
[a0170df8] ? iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x0/0xc9 [iwlcore]
[a0112272] ieee80211_scan_completed+0x40/0x232 [mac80211]
[a019488d] ? iwl_bg_rx_replenish+0x0/0x41 [iwlagn]
[a0170df8] ? iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x0/0xc9 [iwlcore]
[a0170e94] iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x9c/0xc9 [iwlcore]
[a0170df8] ? iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x0/0xc9 [iwlcore]
[81058c96] run_workqueue+0xa7/0x14a
[81058e25] worker_thread+0xec/0xfd
[8105c8d7] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x39
[81058d39] ? worker_thread+0x0/0xfd
[81058d39] ? worker_thread+0x0/0xfd
[8105c541] kthread+0x4d/0x78
[8101264a] child_rip+0xa/0x20
[81011f67] ? restore_args+0x0/0x30
[8105c4f4] ? kthread+0x0/0x78
[81012640] ? child_rip+0x0/0x20
---[ WARNING: at net/mac80211/scan.c:434
ieee80211_scan_completed+0x40/0x232 [mac80211]() (Tainted: P  )
Hardware name: 6459CTO
Modules linked in: ipt_MASQUERADE rfcomm bridge stp llc bnep sco l2cap
sunrpc autofs4 iptable_nat nf_nat iptable_mangle ip6t_REJECT
nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables ipv
6 cpufreq_ondemand acpi_cpufreq freq_table dm_multipath kvm_intel kvm
uinput nvidia(P) snd_hda_codec_analog arc4 ecb snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_codec iwlagn firewire_ohci iwlcore snd_hw
dep firewire_core snd_pcm lib80211 mac80211 snd_timer yenta_socket
sdhci_pci snd i2c_i801 iTCO_wdt sdhci thinkpad_acpi i2c_core video
soundcore btusb rsrc_nonstatic ricoh_mmc mmc_c
ore crc_itu_t iTCO_vendor_support e1000e wmi output hwmon snd_page_alloc
joydev cfg80211 pcspkr bluetooth sha256_generic cbc aes_x86_64
aes_generic dm_crypt [last unloaded: microco
de]
Pid: 1113, comm: iwlagn/1 Tainted: P   2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 #1
Call Trace:
 [8104883f] warn_slowpath+0xbc/0xf0
 [a0168bd2] ? __iwl_write32.clone.2+0xb0/0xbf [iwlcore]
 [810cc45a] ? kmalloc_large_node+0x2a/0x67
 [810cdd6c] ? __kmalloc_node_track_caller+0x2d/0x127
 [813abf2c] ? _spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x2c/0x42
 [a01691b5] ? iwl_rx_queue_update_write_ptr+0x204/0x216 [iwlcore]
 [a019488d] ? iwl_bg_rx_replenish+0x0/0x41 [iwlagn]
 [a0170df8] ? iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x0/0xc9 [iwlcore]
 [a0112272] ieee80211_scan_completed+0x40/0x232 [mac80211]
 [a019488d] ? iwl_bg_rx_replenish+0x0/0x41 [iwlagn]
 [a0170df8] ? iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x0/0xc9 [iwlcore]
 [a0170e94] iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x9c/0xc9 [iwlcore]
 [a0170df8] ? iwl_bg_scan_completed+0x0/0xc9 [iwlcore]
 [81058c96] run_workqueue+0xa7/0x14a
 [81058e25] worker_thread+0xec/0xfd
 [8105c8d7] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x39
 [81058d39] ? worker_thread+0x0/0xfd
 [81058d39] ? worker_thread+0x0/0xfd
 [8105c541] kthread+0x4d/0x78
 [8101264a] child_rip+0xa/0x20
 [81011f67] ? restore_args+0x0/0x30
 [8105c4f4] ? kthread+0x0/0x78
 [81012640] ? child_rip+0x0/0x20

end trace 428f5ca6dc997a63 ]---




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Network Connections Stop After updates

2009-07-26 Thread Mail Lists

  After installing the latest NetworkManager updates - my wireless
network just stops working and I have to hand re-initialize nm. I have
been trying to do backups - so the network load is high - whether this
is relevant or not I do now know.

  I do see a series of errors in /var/log/messages of the form:

   iwlagn: No space for Tx
   iwlagnL Error sending REPLY_TX_LINK_QUALITY_CMD: enqueue_hcmd failed: -28

  This started right after latest batch of updates including
NetworkManager-0.7.1-8

 thanks.

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Re: Network Connections Stop After updates

2009-07-26 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/26/2009 09:33 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 
   After installing the latest NetworkManager updates - my wireless
 network just stops working and I have to hand re-initialize nm. I have
 been trying to do backups - so the network load is high - whether this
 is relevant or not I do now know.
 
   I do see a series of errors in /var/log/messages of the form:
 
iwlagn: No space for Tx
iwlagnL Error sending REPLY_TX_LINK_QUALITY_CMD: enqueue_hcmd failed: -28
 
   This started right after latest batch of updates including
 NetworkManager-0.7.1-8
 
  thanks.
 

 Is this related ?

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multipleid=493018

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Re: Network Connections Stop After updates - iwlagn bug ?

2009-07-26 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/26/2009 09:33 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 
   After installing the latest NetworkManager updates - my wireless
 network just stops working 

   To be more clear - it works for a while then just stops. About the
time it stops I see the errors in /var/log/messages. Restarting it works
for a while then same problem appears.

   Could it be a iwlagn driver problem ?


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Re: update for thunderbird on f11 ?

2009-07-25 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/24/2009 12:24 AM, g wrote:
 Mail Llists wrote:
 
 i follow support-thunderbird list and i do hate to say it, but there are a lot
 of bugs that need to be fix.
 


 I follow tb devel too - and b3 is way less buggy than b2 - and way
better than tb 2.x. Yes there are still some issues ... it is s/w.

 I installed the one in koji and it is working fine.

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kernel 2.6.30.3 - F11 or FC11 in koji terms

2009-07-25 Thread Mail Lists

  I dont see 2.6.30 builds on koji - can we please get a current stable
kernel ( 2.6.30.3 ) so it can get into updates testing ?

  Thanks.

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Re: update for thunderbird on f11 ?

2009-07-25 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/25/2009 10:16 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote:

 I would love to upgrade but I have not yet had a chance to go to F11. I tried
 to build an RPM from the F11 src.rpm but it died in the middle of a compile.
 If anyone would like to take a stab at building the src rpm for x86 on F10 I'd
 be happy to take it for a test spin.
 
 Can I entice, cajole, goad, or otherwise con someone? 40 Quatloos I say!
 
 

 Did you try the mozilla build ? They dont do 64 bit but since you need
32 bit .. just use theirs .. they work fine.

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Re: Firefox complains while running, occasionally locks system at start

2009-07-18 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/18/2009 11:12 AM, g wrote:
 stan wrote:
 
 If I run Firefox 3.5 on F11 x86_64 from a terminal as
 /usr/bin/firefox 
 the following messages come up on the terminal continuously:
 
 what happens if you run firefox without '' ?

   huh ? foregrounding process or not the controlling tty is the same -
seems pointless to me - what are you driving at ?


 
 what happens if you run firefox within your desktop?

  Without the terminal .. odds are errors will be logged elsewhere -
like .xsession-errors.

  I dont understand your points at all ..

 
 

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Re: f11 - bt mouse random jump - found source of problem

2009-07-15 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/15/2009 10:08 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

 I have a Logitech BT mouse on my EeePC and everything just works in F11
 with no setup, including the nudge-left-or-right.
 
 poc
 

  Good to know poc.

  Both of mine are kensington - I do notice that if I open firefox with
a wide page (or narrow firefox) with a horizontal scroll bar - nudge
left (or right) are received and firefox scrolls - however the mouse
cursor still jumps to top left corner responding to that same nudge.

  a) regardless of whether I can choose what to do with wheel left or
wheel right the panel should not steal the cursor!

  b) How does one (on a per user basis please) program mouse click
responses ?


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Re: f11 - bt mouse random jump - found source of problem

2009-07-15 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/15/2009 08:29 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

   a) regardless of whether I can choose what to do with wheel left or
 wheel right the panel should not steal the cursor!
 
 Naturally. Have you considered there might be a hardware peoblem?

  I did - and changed mice - both exhibit same problem. Also, they both
work fine on f10.

 
   b) How does one (on a per user basis please) program mouse click
 responses ?
 
 This is part of the desktop manager. You don't say which one you use,
 but in KDE you can look at Settings-Window Behaviour.

  Yes - gnome - I gave up on kde sadly ... kde used to be very
configurable which I really liked ... but around 4.something I gave up
about the same time Linus did and moved to gnome.


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Re: f11 - bt mouse random jump - found source of problem

2009-07-14 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/10/2009 11:10 PM, Mail Lists wrote:
 
  Since installing f11 (clean) - i have 2 blueooth mice - and randomly
 the cursor jumps to the top left corner (applications button).
 
  Same problem on both - never had a problem on f10 (also was running gnome).
 
 
 
  Seems to be bluetooth mouse only ... anyone else seeing similar ?
 
  At first It seemed like it might be a touchpad thing on laptop - but it
 happens with nothing touching the laptop at all - just hand on bt mouse.
 


   I think I know what causes it but need help fixing it.

   The bluetooth mice both have a wheel - the wheel can be pressed or
nudged left or right.

   If the wheel is nudged left or right then the cursor jumps to top
left corner of screen.

Ok - so how do I program how the cursor responds to that wheel
movement ? The system-hardware-mouse has no settings to program any
buttons ?

Thank you ..

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Re: Why separate GA and updates directories?

2009-07-12 Thread Mail Lists
On 07/12/2009 03:46 AM, Matthew Booth wrote:
 Does anybody know the reason that Fedora separates GA and updates on its
 repositories? In case the question's not clear, I mean this:
 
 GA:
 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/11/Everything/i386/os/
 
 
 Updates:
 http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/11/i386/
 

 No idea - clearly the repos are separate so createrepo can be run
independently. I think a much clearer way to do this is something like
below. My mirror script would simplify enormously if each release had
its own tree ... clearly yum, createerepo etc dont care one way or the
other.


 fedora/11
   source
 ...
   i686
release
   debug
   os
updates
   ...
   x86_64
release
   debug
   os
updates
   ...
   ...


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